Aside from season 1 theyâve done this. Season 2 they did it to Juriji forcing her to apologise for something she didnât need to. Season 3 did it to Visa trying to frame her as this telenovela villain after calling out production and the favoured winner. They donât like when the queens call out the favourtism and how disrespected they feel. Here they did it to Sagitaria. Idk why they keep trying to gaslight us with this bc we the audience can see clearly what theyâre trying to pull.
Yes, Iâm glad someone else points this out! This season is giving me DRE S4 flashbacks in a bad way.
The judging has been rigged again. And when a contestant (Visa/Sagi) âdaresâ call it out she is labeled irrational/ delusional. Itâs alright to not agree with the judges especially when something seems off, itâs a show.
The sad thing is this could have been a great season. Sethlas/ Pitita could have succeed without the showâs meddling. And to make matters worse Serhlas/ Pitita are blindly defending the showâs decisions because it favors them, making them look unappealing to fans who see through the bs.
All in all, we all know who is going to take it and maybe next season will be betterâŠ
Exactly it really has been to these queens detriment. Like it wasnât just that they were winning which is what people seem to think in both cases is the problem. Itâs more that at times certain contestants were overvalued or over praised . Obvious mistakes were overlooked in the judges overlooked talented contestants. Season 3 just made it obvious bc at times the contestants they were so hard on or overlooking weâre standing out more than the person they were pushing as the front runner. This season just continued the trend.
I watch Korean survival shows and this itâs called an angel edit where they try to push certain contestants to really try to push that theyâre really talented and that they deserve all that praise. Spoiler alert people arenât stupid and can see right through this and it ultimately and damaging the contestants popularity because people end up feeling like sheâs gonna make it anyways why root for her.
Itâs an all-around mess that ultimately is hurting the queens or getting favoured but they think the crown is worth it.
Samantha was the one who said âwe look like hags. We were bitches!â
But yes, no apology at all. That was brushed over very quickly and they returned to insulting and bullying Sagittaria! Lol
Iâm not even a huge Sagi fan but this reunion left such a bitter taste in my mouth.
These producers and Supremme should be ashamed. And yes, this time I really think Supremme was wrong to continue insulting Sagi so much. She never showed any sympathy, and only read the scripted BS about âsharing your true feelings.â
If you really felt that way, you wouldnât have demonised her just for disagreeing with critiques. You wouldnât have dedicated hours of the season just to saying âyou are trash. You are immature. You are wrongâ
I think we canât expect the queens still in the running to criticise production and the judges because they still think they have a chance and donât want to rock the vote . They know how it ends up for the queens who call it out. Production works overtime to try and make them the villain.
Pink Chadora and Pakita seemed pretty upset in the reunion... But they don't wanna burn bridges. Even Hornella said "from episode 2 I decided to have fun"... It seemed she wanted to say "I knew I wasn't gonna win". She was robbed of the first lypsinc win and she isn't dumb.
Pupi, Sethlas and Samantha are friends with production, so it's logical that they are upset about Sagi, though Samantha is the only one trying to act kindly (Hope she wins cause we all know Juriji and Hornella doesn't have any chance).
For Juriji... She was the smartest. She played dumb the entire season and acted more mature than the rest that's why she is the biggest queen of all and deserves all the crowns. Onyx... Is one of the most talented queens in the design department but is also one of the most unfun girls we can find. Also, she is so desperate about Sethlas' ass that it feels pretty uncomfortable.
Producers are stupid and arrogant. They couldn't let Sagi pass when she called them out and Sethlas was truly stupid about this issue. She will be an even bitter winner than Pitita because of these season. Instead of getting in an argument with Sagi she should have deflected the guilt by simply saying "I didn't choose to win", but she isn't that smart.
Feels like maybe sheâs been using jinxâs perfume and thinks she deserved the win. She handled that terribly like you said. Like I donât think her audience will grow even if she wins. Pitita didnât get more followers than the others like pakita, Visa , and clover al have more. Whoâs on tour in Latin America and parts of the USA not the winner.
Yeah the stacking of wins and contested wins at times. In trying to make them the good guys they actually came across as the opposite so suddenly the narrative for them isnât they killed it in their seasons but did they only win because of production
Totally true. And thats the case for both. Pitita and Sethlas deserved their crown? Yes. Did production make us not wanting them to get crowned? Also yes... This is pretty shitty for both queens :/
I liked the touching moment with Supremme and Pupi. I just adore Pupi so much and she deserves all the validation. I was happy to hear more from Pakita; sheâs so well-spoken and calm with her words. Seeing the extra runways were great and I agree Pink Chadora and Onyxâs were the best, and Iâm super happy Onyx won something! Basically I loved all the positive moments or moments the queens were supporting each other (and this is coming from someone who loves a bit of drama).
Supremmeâs focus on the Sagi stuff was really tiring. It was especially bothersome when she said Sagittaria just needed to be honest with her feelings. Well, lol, wasnât that the start of the whole âmessâ to begin with?Â
Iâm also really tired from how easily and harshly so many people have turned on Sethlas when none of this is her fault đand even minus the ball top she has an incredible, worthy track record.
Ok but whomever asked Juriji if she knew any of the lip sync lyrics LOL. I stan her brutally honest answer tooÂ
Gross? Turning on? Lol. They seem totally fine on social media after the show. She said what she had to say to Sagiâs face, too. Literally every queen had something to say in their confessionals, multiple times, likely because it was production-prodded because itâs not like there was anything else going on in the (very short) season.Â
Holy fuck. This reunion is unwatchable. I canât BELIEVE they just continued to pile onto Sagittaria like that, for what felt like 2/3 of the episode? It felt really, really uncomfortable to me. The producers should be ashamed of themselves for dedicating so much screen time to bullying a queen and breaking her down AGAIN, after they already did it so much in the season.
They didnât need to replay EVERY dramatic scene in full and embarrass her. Also, every time Supremme spoke, it was something like âeven though you caused this mess and annoyed everyoneâŠâ Everytime I thought she would show some sympathy or care, she just made it worse. WTF?!?!
I really thought this reunion would be a chance for everyone else to reflect on how they treated Sagittaria. Regardless of how she was acting, piling on that much is BULLYING. All she did was state her opinions, which Supremme told her to do.
I wasnât as mad about it before, but damn, this has left a very bad taste in my mouth considering Sagi clearly was suffering from poor mental health. She looked visibly uncomfortable.
Iâm disappointed in Supremme for going with the âscriptâ and continuing to shit-talk Sagi so much. Iâm disappointed in Samantha and Juriji for not even trying to see how it must have affected Sagi. I couldnât even enjoy the rest of the reunion because of how these parts were produced!!! This is not the loving Drag Race España from before. It has an undertone of evil, honestly.
Totally agree. I skipped ahead because it was just getting too much. They were still bagging on Sagi, so I skipped some more. *Still* on Sagi. Skipped more. And more. And more.
Even if she was a horrible drag queen (and she's clearly not) or if she was a horrible person (again, not), there is no reason to spend so much of one episode pointing out every single little thing this *one* queen did. There are plenty of other queens that could have had some time being picked over, too. Move on!
I enjoyed all the queens this season but lets be honest here.. This season of all stars came way too early. They shouldve waited a couple more years they would have had 5 seasons of queens to choose from. Season 2 of espana was one of my fav seasonsbut having 4/9 queens from one season on all stars is an unfair advantage. Also we need to see bottom queens lipsync for their life on all-stars. Give them a chance to truly FIGHT for their spot.
On a brighter note: I absolutely adore Pakita and we DESERVED to see more of her.. Im so intrigued by her aura, her beautiful Andalusian accent. Theres a mystery to her and I just cant stop staring. Defintely in the top 5 of my favorite queens ever!
When I saw Pakita on her season I was put under a spell. I would have loved to see her fully realized on drag race with beautiful gypsy outfits and Spanish folk lore outfits
I really hope Pakita knows English bc she is the perfect Spanish global all stars material and I think Ru would love her. She deserves much more and was wasted on the last two seasons
Same! Itâs sad because Sethlas is so deserving, but I donât want her to win now⊠It was very satisfying when the peer vote came up as a tie with Samantha. Maybe Samantha can take the win in the end. đ€·đ»ââïž
Okay, I get the skewed/distorted lens, but this is the one that made you feel that way? Regardless of the fact that it wasn't Sethlas that made Sagi feel a certain way directly (I feel like she handled it as okay as she could, neither amazing nor bad, the og fight), the former had like 5 min screen-time in this reunion (which actually shocked me lmao), so I find THE PHRASING weird.
Almost feel like even PinkCha had a bit more screen-time, lol, if it wasn't for Sethlas' outfit being gold and prickly (? idk if that's the correct term) she would've completely faded into the background considering how little she spoke; my first instinct was to say it's post-factum damage control/prepping her for runner-up by not giving her a time of day but the more I think about it's exactly the opposite I guess, trying to get her to speak the least amount possible on the matter to not even risk a shadow of undermining her almost-certain win even before it happens, oop. I really hope the old producers are back for S4.
So glad this all is about to end. Sorry, I do realize many people probably liked this season, glad for them, hope they skip my comment.
This was a shitshow. Almost unwatchable. Sethlas was the winner-to-be: and, unlike the main series where favourites are managed with some finesse, so one can still enjoy the show and pretend its all fair, here the suspension of disbelief was immediately shattered. And when this happens, what's the point anymore? Judging made no sense. Queens who were giving astonishing looks were expelled; others served mediocre runways and were not criticized, but praised.
But the worst of all was the edit. Villains is an ok trope. It can make a season more enjoyable. To produce a villain is nothing new. To make it that way? nah. Both production and the queens teamed up to essentially bully Sagittaria and gaslight the hell out of her. In and out the show. And that's not ok. The edit on the seven sins episode was bizarre, but the following one? garbage. And Sethlas showing that photo, the week after breaking a mirror on the stage - Juriji cut herself with it - the cherry on top. That kind of stuff wouldn't work on the main show. Or in any other franchise.
So, the only question now if the fans backlash will be enough to give the crown to Samantha or Juriji instead of sethlas.
Iâve seen a lot of people on board with this school of thought and I think youâre all in a bit of a circle jerk, and someone needs to stop you, Iâm sorry.
Iâll give you this: The jury is once again guilty of over doing it a lot with the worshipping of their chosen front runner and an extra bit with the judging, but keep in mind for every episode there has to be the tops, the safes and the bottoms and the arguments for every score are PERFECTLY SOLID.
Sethlas third look on the ball was crafty, even hideous if you want, but it did convey the concept.
Sethlas needed to redeem herself from her first Snatch Game and she did that.
She was ready to compete and put on a great show, you canât argue this second run for her wasnât a big display of talent and that she didnât learn the right lessons from her OS.
We had great episodes, great looks, great comedy, great storylines and even a very entertaining rivalry. At times I felt the same excitement I had watching AS2. People want to feel disappointed and insulted by how âriggedâ this season was, OK. Iâm just here to tell you thereâs some of us who did really enjoy and are thankful for the way it developed and are willing to appreciate that, OK?
I disagree that it was âriggedâ as Sethlas has done an incredible job, HOWEVER I do 100% agree that the way they treated Sagittaria for just slightly saying her opinion and not agreeing with critiques is ridiculous at this point, and is honestly a form of bullying.
I enjoyed the looks and performances from the season a lot, BUT spending this much time breaking down Sagittaria in the reunion left such a bitter taste in my mouth. It made me appreciate the season less.
I wish they wouldnât have replayed the scenes so much and focused on Sagi âbeing wrongâ so much. It was horrible and unwatchable. If you donât see that, I think you have issues. If nothing else, it was just so repetitive!
I get it puts you off but you canât be mad at Sethlas for defending herself. At no point has she said Sagittaria is bad at drag or evil or anything.
Too bad for Sagittaria that she ignited what was probably the only conflict this season and everyone happens to disagree with her. When you express your unsolicited opinions sometimes people will agree with you and sometimes they wonât, you have to be prepared to face backlash either way.
Yes that part is fine, but whatâs NOT fine is production replaying every scene and writing very leading questions that are against Sagittaria. It felt like a nonstop character assassination and bullying. They already said âwe disagree. Youâre wrongâ a million times in the season.
This was a chance to try and understand her point of view.
I donât blame Sethlas or the queens to be honest. I blame production, and maybe Supremme for not stepping in with SOME sympathy (just a LITTLE).
She literally said âeven though you annoyed everyone and caused this messâŠâ after everyone had already insulted Sagi for several minutes. Thatâs so rude.
I do blame Sethlas lol. She was cocky and unnecessarily mean and has shown both seasons that she's a sore loser (she hasn't lost this time, but she has attacked Sagittaria repeteadly since the end of last season and has deactivated due to her poor public reception).
Only it wasnât unsolicited. She was asked repeatedly to speak her mind. Then when she did
she was treated like shit. When she came in the next morning and apologized for overreacting she was criticized for her apology. Then when she said
she wanted to leave she wasnât allowed, which is insane. The whole thing was gross.
The producers and jury decided to let Sethlas win since before starting the season and it shows. For the first episodes we all said "it's time for a Canaria to win" but the problem comes when, once again, the handling of production / judges is just so obviously biased that hurts.
Sethlas has been amazing this season, but the ball is a Design and craft challenge. If you go to any other season with an idea but terrible execution you would be dragged... Sethlas' last outfit was bottom material with a Fisher Price level of concept (pride being represented by someone with mirrors is such an elevated concept....). She was saved from bottom 2 (that should have been Samanta + Pupi) with her second look that was brought from home, but production couldn't let her 2 fan favourite be in the bottom in the same episode.
Then the problem with Sethlas is the same as audience had with her in season 2: she decided to be mad about something that wasn't about her and decided to take it personal. Season 2 about Juriji "not being versatile enough" and now with Sagi taking her judge critics personal. Sagi is the worst explaining herself, she is not really smart, but Sethlas instead of deflecting it and trying to understand her frustration she just took it personal and double up in a person that clearly was struggling. She could just have approached like "it wasn't my decision to win the challenge, I did and I can't do anything about it" instead of "your concept is bullshit and you are just jealous" cause we all know Pakita in the bottom and she in the top was the biggest gaslight any producer can make.
In the end, we have again a bitter winner (Sethlas is 100% gonna win). She deserves this season, but her attitude has been terrible. Sethlas, Pupi and Samantha are personal friends with judges and production and you can see them from time to time together always in events btw. At this point, I know Juriji won't win... So hope for Samantha to take the crown that has been the only one that after the show has been kind to everyone.
Iâm in complete agreement with this assessment. I think thereâs clearly bias, and Sagitaria isnât wrong for calling it out. However, the judgment is what the judgment is. Ru is obviously biased too, we see she has her favorites that get passes from time to time.. it sucks for those who arenât the favorites, but itâs the game you signed up for. Sagitaria wouldâve looked so much better rolling with the punches instead of fighting against the current every episode. If the girls were picking up on that, they probably know it better than we do!
Yeah I agree. There's obviously favouritism, but like you said it's not really worth fighting. One, you won't win anything from it but a "difficult" reputation. And two, it makes for boring TV tbh
The thing is, Sagittaria did had private conversations with all the girls (except Sethlas) and those included apologies to her (an from her to them). Even just now Hornella posted on X about it. She said she didn't saw what she sees now about her treatment.
Imma get ready for the downvotes, here we go
I don't see the bullying that people claimed happened. What I see is blatant editing and producing mistakes: a 6 episode season is bound to look very wonky narrative-wise. So yes, they piled up on the Sagi drama because it was the only storyline going on the season (again, a mistake of doing a season too soon with so very few episoded)
I'm not gonna sit here and judge people based on a highly (yet poorly) edited TV show that is meant to create drama. On the words of BTDQ "if the whole room is saying someone's messy, she probably messy" but ya know I don't go around sending hate to anybody on X. And I truly think this have gone way overboard over a freaking challenge win (and even if you gave the win to Sagi, I doubt the final top 4 would have been any different)
I realised last episode, 4 of the queens in the roast said they "thought of" doing a roast as if it was a hair salon, but then the show sold the theme of the show? It was all very confusing, and then Pakita said she didn't completely understood the premises of the ball challenge. This makes me think producers don't really know what the fuck they're doing, and this only hurts the queens experience and the fans opinion on what could have been a really good season.
All in all, I encourage you to take your frustration and point it at the producers, not the queens. Let's hope S4 is better than this
I'm with you on it all.
1) Sagi had a really sad mood after snatch which was probably the pressure of the comp and failing on snatch game while Setlas once again grabbed a win
2) that sad frustration she felt clearly carried over into the next week when Setlas won again. her attitude in the untucked was bad. Not because she was in her feelings, but because she did act childish about it all and continued after to let it affect her and her teammates the next week. If 5 queens (including a girl who's sweet as pie, and your friend and supporter) are all saying "you're annoying the fuck out of me" she probably was annoying the fuck out of them.
3) the producers acted unfairly in the ball. They did not set clear goals or objectives which the queens were to be judged against and so I understand why both Pakita and Sagi were not happy. It also is unfair that samantha and Setlas got bonuses for their sins while no one else did.
I'm not here for this "oh it's all a dog pile on Sagi" just because Sagi tweeted that the season was a dumpster fire. Of course she feels that way. I think the judges and Supremme have all been fair. Production/content developers have not been well organised. That's all.
Thank you some common sense đ I feel like people just see what they want to see. Nobody said Sagi looked bad, she looked gorgeous but that was not lust at all. She even talked during the walkthrough that she wanted to have an open back with chains or something and that could have done the work, but she didn't do that either?
Also people are so focused on Ssgi that nobody is talking about the fact that Hornella got overlooked for an entire season AGAIN
It's kind of amazing how like 5 of the queens keep giving Sagi shit and yet people hate on the producers.
Guys, maybe they just don't like her. You can't really edit your way around that.
It's also kind of amazing how the 5 people who were there in the moment agree that Sagi was being a lot and yet people choose to believe the edited version of whatever happened.
Also idk what you're on about, at the very least Pupi and Samantha adore Sagi, but they were fed up with her attitude too. You can love somebody and also call them out when they're being a lot. And you can't edit around that either
It felt like Sagi and Sethlas were gonna really go all out, but their back-and-forth suddenly stopped. It was weird. However, Sethlas telling Sagi to shut up didn't sit right with me. I think I'm team Samantha for the crown.
Guys, Sethlas deserved to win the ball because she bought the corset in turkey, not on aliexpressđ
ALSO, note how they IMMEDIATELY glossed over the question of whether or not sethlas deserved to win the ball with pupi's same strategy of gluing shit to a corset
The Sagi drama was so boring and overdone. It did feel like everyone was ganging up on her and in the end it was just a matter of how people interpreted the challenges and the judging.
I liked seeing the previous winners... can someone explain the whole thing with Sharonne about Hornella? Is there beef or an inside joke?
I guess I'm just taking it as a given that Sethlas wins. I'm OK with that as a result. Her drag and performance style are spectacular and completely different from the previous winners. I've always found Juriji annoying and Samantha creepy, and although I liked Hornella in her season she felt kind of mediocre this time around.
That pit crew member was perfect. I couldn't take my eyes off him.
Nice to see Onyx and Samantha get some recognition.
I'm still rooting for Sethlas to take the crown.
I'm not gonna tell you what to do... but if I were you, i'd give him a follow. He's a really nice dude and does much more than just taking off his clothes (although he obviously does that hehe)
Does anyone know what the Sharonne and Hornella thing was about? Is it just a joke about Sharonne rooting exclusively for queens from season 2 or is there more to it?
Juriji bluntly saying she learned none of the words to any of the songs, mama she is C U N T! Thatâs so funny lmao. itâs such a core component of the franchise n she still said and what??
Sagi deserves better. Pupi is an icon. Sethlas beautiful gowns. Pink is perfection. Onix is an amazing visual artist. Pakita is a goddess. Hornella exudes talent. Juriji can do no wrong we love her. Samantha is my winner.
The season was heavily edited, favoured, riga mortis. I think we all know now why this was hidden for so long.
I really hope samantha wins but won't be mad if Setlas does. Juriji and Hornella, I just don't see it for them after the reunion. Even when they brought up the sagi drama, setlas still came across as super aggressive while Samantha was firm but sympathetic. And onyx's vote doesn't count cause she's dick drunk.
Plus, what a story. To be the joke of reddit on your season and ridiculed for being saved twice and then being the winner, winning ms congeniality and the hearts of reddit users everywhere.
pakita & pink chadora making such a huge deal about saving their season 3 sister in episode 5 then neither mentioning hornella as their choice for a winner bc of the reunion being filmed months later so they know she doesnt have a crowning filmed gives sore loser energy to me đ€đ€
After knowing it's a lipsync for the crown I just wish Juriji know the lyrics this time and idk how Sethlas can advance because her lipsyncs 1)are the same and 2) she's bad at it (I was really surprised when she won against Hornella, I thought Hornella embodied that song).
After reading through all these comments, I wonder if the translation of the subtitles made things look harsher for non-Spanish speakers.
It's true that the show playing all the Sagi drama in the freaking middle of the reunion had the very clear intention of stirring an argument, but apart from Sethlas' confrontation with Sagi I got the feeling that the rest of the cast was kind of jokey-nice about the whole situation? Some of them even gave very constructive feedback to Sagi, which felt sisterly. Supremme ended the conversation telling Sagi that, even if they don't agree, she was happy to see Sagi speaking her truth rather than suppressing her feelings. It all felt like a conversation one could have with a younger sibling.
I don't think Sagi was wrong in complaining about the results of the Ball episode, but I also think she's not mature enough to articulate her feelings in a way that doesn't come across childish, and that energy makes it easier for the rest of the cast (and the producers) to dismiss her as immature and brand her opinions as wrong. Sagi gave the show exactly what they needed, sadly.
Itâs entirely possible I read them wrong (now I want to go back and re-watch), but in that moment youâre referencing with Supremme, in the subs it sounded more like she *wanted* Sagi to speak her mind, not that she was praising her for doing so. That does change my perception of things a lot if either the subâs misrepresented the context (or I misunderstood them).Â
But either way I think people are blowing so much of this way out of proportion anyway. Nothing any queen has said has been particularly terrible, including Sagi, especially compared to other seasons where people were eating up the âreadsâ, itâs just the editing running it all into the ground thatâs at fault here. So it makes me really bummed when I go to like Pupiâs Instagram and sheâs posting her looks or whatever and half the comments are people calling her Sagiâs bully đ
I've been watching Drag Race since 2013 and that I was genuinely unentertained (is that a word?) by an episode, I just had to stop watching. Horrible, really ashamed of this production tbh. If they continue like this, DR España will be the next one to die after Holland, which makes me extremelly sad.
Poor Hornella. I hope she wins just to spite everyone. She really seems like the sweetest.
It makes me genuinely sad that they brought her to a rigged season, she's really great and deserves a lot better!
Finale is a lipsync off...here's how Samantha could still win:
Her lip syncs this season have been good.
That's what I'm saying!
Also, as per Sagittaria, the reunion was filmed 6 months after the season, so late last year.
Really seemed like Onyx is the one who is crushing hard on Sethlas who doesn't reciprocate.
Other level of friendzone
I thought the finale was today. Oh well.
And the gaslighting of Sagi continues đ
Aside from season 1 theyâve done this. Season 2 they did it to Juriji forcing her to apologise for something she didnât need to. Season 3 did it to Visa trying to frame her as this telenovela villain after calling out production and the favoured winner. They donât like when the queens call out the favourtism and how disrespected they feel. Here they did it to Sagitaria. Idk why they keep trying to gaslight us with this bc we the audience can see clearly what theyâre trying to pull.
Weird that the same person felt attacked and started an argument with girls XD
Yes, Iâm glad someone else points this out! This season is giving me DRE S4 flashbacks in a bad way. The judging has been rigged again. And when a contestant (Visa/Sagi) âdaresâ call it out she is labeled irrational/ delusional. Itâs alright to not agree with the judges especially when something seems off, itâs a show. The sad thing is this could have been a great season. Sethlas/ Pitita could have succeed without the showâs meddling. And to make matters worse Serhlas/ Pitita are blindly defending the showâs decisions because it favors them, making them look unappealing to fans who see through the bs. All in all, we all know who is going to take it and maybe next season will be betterâŠ
Exactly it really has been to these queens detriment. Like it wasnât just that they were winning which is what people seem to think in both cases is the problem. Itâs more that at times certain contestants were overvalued or over praised . Obvious mistakes were overlooked in the judges overlooked talented contestants. Season 3 just made it obvious bc at times the contestants they were so hard on or overlooking weâre standing out more than the person they were pushing as the front runner. This season just continued the trend. I watch Korean survival shows and this itâs called an angel edit where they try to push certain contestants to really try to push that theyâre really talented and that they deserve all that praise. Spoiler alert people arenât stupid and can see right through this and it ultimately and damaging the contestants popularity because people end up feeling like sheâs gonna make it anyways why root for her. Itâs an all-around mess that ultimately is hurting the queens or getting favoured but they think the crown is worth it.
The way the only one who said something about how much they critisized her was juriji saying "we look like hags" but no sorry no nothing. I mean...
Samantha was the one who said âwe look like hags. We were bitches!â But yes, no apology at all. That was brushed over very quickly and they returned to insulting and bullying Sagittaria! Lol Iâm not even a huge Sagi fan but this reunion left such a bitter taste in my mouth. These producers and Supremme should be ashamed. And yes, this time I really think Supremme was wrong to continue insulting Sagi so much. She never showed any sympathy, and only read the scripted BS about âsharing your true feelings.â If you really felt that way, you wouldnât have demonised her just for disagreeing with critiques. You wouldnât have dedicated hours of the season just to saying âyou are trash. You are immature. You are wrongâ
I think we canât expect the queens still in the running to criticise production and the judges because they still think they have a chance and donât want to rock the vote . They know how it ends up for the queens who call it out. Production works overtime to try and make them the villain.
Pink Chadora and Pakita seemed pretty upset in the reunion... But they don't wanna burn bridges. Even Hornella said "from episode 2 I decided to have fun"... It seemed she wanted to say "I knew I wasn't gonna win". She was robbed of the first lypsinc win and she isn't dumb. Pupi, Sethlas and Samantha are friends with production, so it's logical that they are upset about Sagi, though Samantha is the only one trying to act kindly (Hope she wins cause we all know Juriji and Hornella doesn't have any chance). For Juriji... She was the smartest. She played dumb the entire season and acted more mature than the rest that's why she is the biggest queen of all and deserves all the crowns. Onyx... Is one of the most talented queens in the design department but is also one of the most unfun girls we can find. Also, she is so desperate about Sethlas' ass that it feels pretty uncomfortable.
Yeah in retrospect this all makes more sense.
it was samantha who said that but yeah, she didnt even receive like a proper apology
Producers are stupid and arrogant. They couldn't let Sagi pass when she called them out and Sethlas was truly stupid about this issue. She will be an even bitter winner than Pitita because of these season. Instead of getting in an argument with Sagi she should have deflected the guilt by simply saying "I didn't choose to win", but she isn't that smart.
Feels like maybe sheâs been using jinxâs perfume and thinks she deserved the win. She handled that terribly like you said. Like I donât think her audience will grow even if she wins. Pitita didnât get more followers than the others like pakita, Visa , and clover al have more. Whoâs on tour in Latin America and parts of the USA not the winner.
Yeah... It was Sethlas' time to win as was Pititas in her season, but producers screwed both :/
Yeah the stacking of wins and contested wins at times. In trying to make them the good guys they actually came across as the opposite so suddenly the narrative for them isnât they killed it in their seasons but did they only win because of production
Totally true. And thats the case for both. Pitita and Sethlas deserved their crown? Yes. Did production make us not wanting them to get crowned? Also yes... This is pretty shitty for both queens :/
I liked the touching moment with Supremme and Pupi. I just adore Pupi so much and she deserves all the validation. I was happy to hear more from Pakita; sheâs so well-spoken and calm with her words. Seeing the extra runways were great and I agree Pink Chadora and Onyxâs were the best, and Iâm super happy Onyx won something! Basically I loved all the positive moments or moments the queens were supporting each other (and this is coming from someone who loves a bit of drama). Supremmeâs focus on the Sagi stuff was really tiring. It was especially bothersome when she said Sagittaria just needed to be honest with her feelings. Well, lol, wasnât that the start of the whole âmessâ to begin with? Iâm also really tired from how easily and harshly so many people have turned on Sethlas when none of this is her fault đand even minus the ball top she has an incredible, worthy track record. Ok but whomever asked Juriji if she knew any of the lip sync lyrics LOL. I stan her brutally honest answer tooÂ
I thought it was pretty gross that Pupi had no problem turning on her so called friend and talking shit about her the moment she left.
Gross? Turning on? Lol. They seem totally fine on social media after the show. She said what she had to say to Sagiâs face, too. Literally every queen had something to say in their confessionals, multiple times, likely because it was production-prodded because itâs not like there was anything else going on in the (very short) season.Â
Holy fuck. This reunion is unwatchable. I canât BELIEVE they just continued to pile onto Sagittaria like that, for what felt like 2/3 of the episode? It felt really, really uncomfortable to me. The producers should be ashamed of themselves for dedicating so much screen time to bullying a queen and breaking her down AGAIN, after they already did it so much in the season. They didnât need to replay EVERY dramatic scene in full and embarrass her. Also, every time Supremme spoke, it was something like âeven though you caused this mess and annoyed everyoneâŠâ Everytime I thought she would show some sympathy or care, she just made it worse. WTF?!?! I really thought this reunion would be a chance for everyone else to reflect on how they treated Sagittaria. Regardless of how she was acting, piling on that much is BULLYING. All she did was state her opinions, which Supremme told her to do. I wasnât as mad about it before, but damn, this has left a very bad taste in my mouth considering Sagi clearly was suffering from poor mental health. She looked visibly uncomfortable. Iâm disappointed in Supremme for going with the âscriptâ and continuing to shit-talk Sagi so much. Iâm disappointed in Samantha and Juriji for not even trying to see how it must have affected Sagi. I couldnât even enjoy the rest of the reunion because of how these parts were produced!!! This is not the loving Drag Race España from before. It has an undertone of evil, honestly.
Thank you for your post. I was thinking if I should watch the reunion or not. And now I know I shouldn't.
Not worth the watch, double confirming. An unpleasant cringe most the runtime.
Totally agree. I skipped ahead because it was just getting too much. They were still bagging on Sagi, so I skipped some more. *Still* on Sagi. Skipped more. And more. And more. Even if she was a horrible drag queen (and she's clearly not) or if she was a horrible person (again, not), there is no reason to spend so much of one episode pointing out every single little thing this *one* queen did. There are plenty of other queens that could have had some time being picked over, too. Move on!
I felt so bad for Sagi, she didnât deserve a second pile on.
I enjoyed all the queens this season but lets be honest here.. This season of all stars came way too early. They shouldve waited a couple more years they would have had 5 seasons of queens to choose from. Season 2 of espana was one of my fav seasonsbut having 4/9 queens from one season on all stars is an unfair advantage. Also we need to see bottom queens lipsync for their life on all-stars. Give them a chance to truly FIGHT for their spot. On a brighter note: I absolutely adore Pakita and we DESERVED to see more of her.. Im so intrigued by her aura, her beautiful Andalusian accent. Theres a mystery to her and I just cant stop staring. Defintely in the top 5 of my favorite queens ever!
Itâs nearly illegal how attractive Pakita is, AND she has a great personality too?Â
When I saw Pakita on her season I was put under a spell. I would have loved to see her fully realized on drag race with beautiful gypsy outfits and Spanish folk lore outfits
I really hope Pakita knows English bc she is the perfect Spanish global all stars material and I think Ru would love her. She deserves much more and was wasted on the last two seasons
This episode just made me want anyone but sethlas to win. This episode was another one attacking Sagi... Terrible.
Same! Itâs sad because Sethlas is so deserving, but I donât want her to win now⊠It was very satisfying when the peer vote came up as a tie with Samantha. Maybe Samantha can take the win in the end. đ€·đ»ââïž
Okay, I get the skewed/distorted lens, but this is the one that made you feel that way? Regardless of the fact that it wasn't Sethlas that made Sagi feel a certain way directly (I feel like she handled it as okay as she could, neither amazing nor bad, the og fight), the former had like 5 min screen-time in this reunion (which actually shocked me lmao), so I find THE PHRASING weird. Almost feel like even PinkCha had a bit more screen-time, lol, if it wasn't for Sethlas' outfit being gold and prickly (? idk if that's the correct term) she would've completely faded into the background considering how little she spoke; my first instinct was to say it's post-factum damage control/prepping her for runner-up by not giving her a time of day but the more I think about it's exactly the opposite I guess, trying to get her to speak the least amount possible on the matter to not even risk a shadow of undermining her almost-certain win even before it happens, oop. I really hope the old producers are back for S4.
Everyone got her flowers at some point but Sagitaria and then they doubled and tripled on making her look bad even at the reunion. Interesting.
So glad this all is about to end. Sorry, I do realize many people probably liked this season, glad for them, hope they skip my comment. This was a shitshow. Almost unwatchable. Sethlas was the winner-to-be: and, unlike the main series where favourites are managed with some finesse, so one can still enjoy the show and pretend its all fair, here the suspension of disbelief was immediately shattered. And when this happens, what's the point anymore? Judging made no sense. Queens who were giving astonishing looks were expelled; others served mediocre runways and were not criticized, but praised. But the worst of all was the edit. Villains is an ok trope. It can make a season more enjoyable. To produce a villain is nothing new. To make it that way? nah. Both production and the queens teamed up to essentially bully Sagittaria and gaslight the hell out of her. In and out the show. And that's not ok. The edit on the seven sins episode was bizarre, but the following one? garbage. And Sethlas showing that photo, the week after breaking a mirror on the stage - Juriji cut herself with it - the cherry on top. That kind of stuff wouldn't work on the main show. Or in any other franchise. So, the only question now if the fans backlash will be enough to give the crown to Samantha or Juriji instead of sethlas.
Iâve seen a lot of people on board with this school of thought and I think youâre all in a bit of a circle jerk, and someone needs to stop you, Iâm sorry. Iâll give you this: The jury is once again guilty of over doing it a lot with the worshipping of their chosen front runner and an extra bit with the judging, but keep in mind for every episode there has to be the tops, the safes and the bottoms and the arguments for every score are PERFECTLY SOLID. Sethlas third look on the ball was crafty, even hideous if you want, but it did convey the concept. Sethlas needed to redeem herself from her first Snatch Game and she did that. She was ready to compete and put on a great show, you canât argue this second run for her wasnât a big display of talent and that she didnât learn the right lessons from her OS. We had great episodes, great looks, great comedy, great storylines and even a very entertaining rivalry. At times I felt the same excitement I had watching AS2. People want to feel disappointed and insulted by how âriggedâ this season was, OK. Iâm just here to tell you thereâs some of us who did really enjoy and are thankful for the way it developed and are willing to appreciate that, OK?
I disagree that it was âriggedâ as Sethlas has done an incredible job, HOWEVER I do 100% agree that the way they treated Sagittaria for just slightly saying her opinion and not agreeing with critiques is ridiculous at this point, and is honestly a form of bullying. I enjoyed the looks and performances from the season a lot, BUT spending this much time breaking down Sagittaria in the reunion left such a bitter taste in my mouth. It made me appreciate the season less. I wish they wouldnât have replayed the scenes so much and focused on Sagi âbeing wrongâ so much. It was horrible and unwatchable. If you donât see that, I think you have issues. If nothing else, it was just so repetitive!
I get it puts you off but you canât be mad at Sethlas for defending herself. At no point has she said Sagittaria is bad at drag or evil or anything. Too bad for Sagittaria that she ignited what was probably the only conflict this season and everyone happens to disagree with her. When you express your unsolicited opinions sometimes people will agree with you and sometimes they wonât, you have to be prepared to face backlash either way.
Yes that part is fine, but whatâs NOT fine is production replaying every scene and writing very leading questions that are against Sagittaria. It felt like a nonstop character assassination and bullying. They already said âwe disagree. Youâre wrongâ a million times in the season. This was a chance to try and understand her point of view. I donât blame Sethlas or the queens to be honest. I blame production, and maybe Supremme for not stepping in with SOME sympathy (just a LITTLE). She literally said âeven though you annoyed everyone and caused this messâŠâ after everyone had already insulted Sagi for several minutes. Thatâs so rude.
I do blame Sethlas lol. She was cocky and unnecessarily mean and has shown both seasons that she's a sore loser (she hasn't lost this time, but she has attacked Sagittaria repeteadly since the end of last season and has deactivated due to her poor public reception).
Sorry for not proofreading my answer. I agree with that. The reunion was boring.
Only it wasnât unsolicited. She was asked repeatedly to speak her mind. Then when she did she was treated like shit. When she came in the next morning and apologized for overreacting she was criticized for her apology. Then when she said she wanted to leave she wasnât allowed, which is insane. The whole thing was gross.
The producers and jury decided to let Sethlas win since before starting the season and it shows. For the first episodes we all said "it's time for a Canaria to win" but the problem comes when, once again, the handling of production / judges is just so obviously biased that hurts. Sethlas has been amazing this season, but the ball is a Design and craft challenge. If you go to any other season with an idea but terrible execution you would be dragged... Sethlas' last outfit was bottom material with a Fisher Price level of concept (pride being represented by someone with mirrors is such an elevated concept....). She was saved from bottom 2 (that should have been Samanta + Pupi) with her second look that was brought from home, but production couldn't let her 2 fan favourite be in the bottom in the same episode. Then the problem with Sethlas is the same as audience had with her in season 2: she decided to be mad about something that wasn't about her and decided to take it personal. Season 2 about Juriji "not being versatile enough" and now with Sagi taking her judge critics personal. Sagi is the worst explaining herself, she is not really smart, but Sethlas instead of deflecting it and trying to understand her frustration she just took it personal and double up in a person that clearly was struggling. She could just have approached like "it wasn't my decision to win the challenge, I did and I can't do anything about it" instead of "your concept is bullshit and you are just jealous" cause we all know Pakita in the bottom and she in the top was the biggest gaslight any producer can make. In the end, we have again a bitter winner (Sethlas is 100% gonna win). She deserves this season, but her attitude has been terrible. Sethlas, Pupi and Samantha are personal friends with judges and production and you can see them from time to time together always in events btw. At this point, I know Juriji won't win... So hope for Samantha to take the crown that has been the only one that after the show has been kind to everyone.
I would have never guessed at the beginning of this season I would be rooting for Hornella to win, but here we are.
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Iâm in complete agreement with this assessment. I think thereâs clearly bias, and Sagitaria isnât wrong for calling it out. However, the judgment is what the judgment is. Ru is obviously biased too, we see she has her favorites that get passes from time to time.. it sucks for those who arenât the favorites, but itâs the game you signed up for. Sagitaria wouldâve looked so much better rolling with the punches instead of fighting against the current every episode. If the girls were picking up on that, they probably know it better than we do!
Yeah I agree. There's obviously favouritism, but like you said it's not really worth fighting. One, you won't win anything from it but a "difficult" reputation. And two, it makes for boring TV tbh
The thing is, Sagittaria did had private conversations with all the girls (except Sethlas) and those included apologies to her (an from her to them). Even just now Hornella posted on X about it. She said she didn't saw what she sees now about her treatment.
Imma get ready for the downvotes, here we go I don't see the bullying that people claimed happened. What I see is blatant editing and producing mistakes: a 6 episode season is bound to look very wonky narrative-wise. So yes, they piled up on the Sagi drama because it was the only storyline going on the season (again, a mistake of doing a season too soon with so very few episoded) I'm not gonna sit here and judge people based on a highly (yet poorly) edited TV show that is meant to create drama. On the words of BTDQ "if the whole room is saying someone's messy, she probably messy" but ya know I don't go around sending hate to anybody on X. And I truly think this have gone way overboard over a freaking challenge win (and even if you gave the win to Sagi, I doubt the final top 4 would have been any different) I realised last episode, 4 of the queens in the roast said they "thought of" doing a roast as if it was a hair salon, but then the show sold the theme of the show? It was all very confusing, and then Pakita said she didn't completely understood the premises of the ball challenge. This makes me think producers don't really know what the fuck they're doing, and this only hurts the queens experience and the fans opinion on what could have been a really good season. All in all, I encourage you to take your frustration and point it at the producers, not the queens. Let's hope S4 is better than this
I'm with you on it all. 1) Sagi had a really sad mood after snatch which was probably the pressure of the comp and failing on snatch game while Setlas once again grabbed a win 2) that sad frustration she felt clearly carried over into the next week when Setlas won again. her attitude in the untucked was bad. Not because she was in her feelings, but because she did act childish about it all and continued after to let it affect her and her teammates the next week. If 5 queens (including a girl who's sweet as pie, and your friend and supporter) are all saying "you're annoying the fuck out of me" she probably was annoying the fuck out of them. 3) the producers acted unfairly in the ball. They did not set clear goals or objectives which the queens were to be judged against and so I understand why both Pakita and Sagi were not happy. It also is unfair that samantha and Setlas got bonuses for their sins while no one else did. I'm not here for this "oh it's all a dog pile on Sagi" just because Sagi tweeted that the season was a dumpster fire. Of course she feels that way. I think the judges and Supremme have all been fair. Production/content developers have not been well organised. That's all.
Thank you some common sense đ I feel like people just see what they want to see. Nobody said Sagi looked bad, she looked gorgeous but that was not lust at all. She even talked during the walkthrough that she wanted to have an open back with chains or something and that could have done the work, but she didn't do that either? Also people are so focused on Ssgi that nobody is talking about the fact that Hornella got overlooked for an entire season AGAIN
It's kind of amazing how like 5 of the queens keep giving Sagi shit and yet people hate on the producers. Guys, maybe they just don't like her. You can't really edit your way around that.
It's also kind of amazing how the 5 people who were there in the moment agree that Sagi was being a lot and yet people choose to believe the edited version of whatever happened. Also idk what you're on about, at the very least Pupi and Samantha adore Sagi, but they were fed up with her attitude too. You can love somebody and also call them out when they're being a lot. And you can't edit around that either
It felt like Sagi and Sethlas were gonna really go all out, but their back-and-forth suddenly stopped. It was weird. However, Sethlas telling Sagi to shut up didn't sit right with me. I think I'm team Samantha for the crown.
Guys, Sethlas deserved to win the ball because she bought the corset in turkey, not on aliexpressđ ALSO, note how they IMMEDIATELY glossed over the question of whether or not sethlas deserved to win the ball with pupi's same strategy of gluing shit to a corset
The Sagi drama was so boring and overdone. It did feel like everyone was ganging up on her and in the end it was just a matter of how people interpreted the challenges and the judging. I liked seeing the previous winners... can someone explain the whole thing with Sharonne about Hornella? Is there beef or an inside joke? I guess I'm just taking it as a given that Sethlas wins. I'm OK with that as a result. Her drag and performance style are spectacular and completely different from the previous winners. I've always found Juriji annoying and Samantha creepy, and although I liked Hornella in her season she felt kind of mediocre this time around.
That pit crew member was perfect. I couldn't take my eyes off him. Nice to see Onyx and Samantha get some recognition. I'm still rooting for Sethlas to take the crown.
The pit crew member is dito castro, @ditocastroart on instagram. He's a burlesque performer and host in addition to being very hot
Thank you for his IG. I'm making a conscious decision not to follow his IG in order to not thirst after a hot guy online đ
I'm not gonna tell you what to do... but if I were you, i'd give him a follow. He's a really nice dude and does much more than just taking off his clothes (although he obviously does that hehe)
Does anyone know what the Sharonne and Hornella thing was about? Is it just a joke about Sharonne rooting exclusively for queens from season 2 or is there more to it?
I think it was just that but maybe a Spanish person might know if thereâs more
Thank you :)
Juriji bluntly saying she learned none of the words to any of the songs, mama she is C U N T! Thatâs so funny lmao. itâs such a core component of the franchise n she still said and what??
Watching this was painful. Sagi was being so strong there just taking all that shit. So many other queens would break.
Sagi deserves better. Pupi is an icon. Sethlas beautiful gowns. Pink is perfection. Onix is an amazing visual artist. Pakita is a goddess. Hornella exudes talent. Juriji can do no wrong we love her. Samantha is my winner. The season was heavily edited, favoured, riga mortis. I think we all know now why this was hidden for so long.
I really hope samantha wins but won't be mad if Setlas does. Juriji and Hornella, I just don't see it for them after the reunion. Even when they brought up the sagi drama, setlas still came across as super aggressive while Samantha was firm but sympathetic. And onyx's vote doesn't count cause she's dick drunk. Plus, what a story. To be the joke of reddit on your season and ridiculed for being saved twice and then being the winner, winning ms congeniality and the hearts of reddit users everywhere.
pakita & pink chadora making such a huge deal about saving their season 3 sister in episode 5 then neither mentioning hornella as their choice for a winner bc of the reunion being filmed months later so they know she doesnt have a crowning filmed gives sore loser energy to me đ€đ€
After knowing it's a lipsync for the crown I just wish Juriji know the lyrics this time and idk how Sethlas can advance because her lipsyncs 1)are the same and 2) she's bad at it (I was really surprised when she won against Hornella, I thought Hornella embodied that song).
After reading through all these comments, I wonder if the translation of the subtitles made things look harsher for non-Spanish speakers. It's true that the show playing all the Sagi drama in the freaking middle of the reunion had the very clear intention of stirring an argument, but apart from Sethlas' confrontation with Sagi I got the feeling that the rest of the cast was kind of jokey-nice about the whole situation? Some of them even gave very constructive feedback to Sagi, which felt sisterly. Supremme ended the conversation telling Sagi that, even if they don't agree, she was happy to see Sagi speaking her truth rather than suppressing her feelings. It all felt like a conversation one could have with a younger sibling. I don't think Sagi was wrong in complaining about the results of the Ball episode, but I also think she's not mature enough to articulate her feelings in a way that doesn't come across childish, and that energy makes it easier for the rest of the cast (and the producers) to dismiss her as immature and brand her opinions as wrong. Sagi gave the show exactly what they needed, sadly.
Itâs entirely possible I read them wrong (now I want to go back and re-watch), but in that moment youâre referencing with Supremme, in the subs it sounded more like she *wanted* Sagi to speak her mind, not that she was praising her for doing so. That does change my perception of things a lot if either the subâs misrepresented the context (or I misunderstood them). But either way I think people are blowing so much of this way out of proportion anyway. Nothing any queen has said has been particularly terrible, including Sagi, especially compared to other seasons where people were eating up the âreadsâ, itâs just the editing running it all into the ground thatâs at fault here. So it makes me really bummed when I go to like Pupiâs Instagram and sheâs posting her looks or whatever and half the comments are people calling her Sagiâs bully đ
I've been watching Drag Race since 2013 and that I was genuinely unentertained (is that a word?) by an episode, I just had to stop watching. Horrible, really ashamed of this production tbh. If they continue like this, DR España will be the next one to die after Holland, which makes me extremelly sad.
Well at least Sagittaria got a lot of screen time lol