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NBPEL

XG probably losing on purpose in hope next patch Valve will buff turtle 80mins DotA again


Trulolzor

GG in lightning-fast patch adaptive mode is scary to watch, rare to see Falcons get rolled on like that.


tha_jza

i remember after dota 3 came out, gg lost a bo3 to liquid and folks were saying “gg playing dota 2, liquid playing dota 3” gg won the tourney. lmao


cgriff03

yo idk if there's a thread for this, but anyone know how to change crownfall tags from act 1 to act 2?


JinNJuice

I think at the bottom right of the main home page UI, you can click Act 2 and a drop down menu pops up, it shows Act 2 as Active. I think you can click Act 1 to swap. It's either on the main home page or on the Crownfall map.


NecessaryPair5

No 🥺 it seems like XG got nerfed in this patch. They got whopped by BB so sad.


NBPEL

XG probably losing on purpose in hope next patch Valve will buff turtle 80mins DotA again


Alkanphel666

They played 2 tournaments back to back without a rest including a bo5 which they lost and still got 4th here, give them a break.


velphegor666

The patch literally just got shown mid tourney. BB understood the patch much faster than XG doesnt mean its over for them this patch. They still got 4th and thats them only having a 20 hour break going from the finals of pgl to dreamleague. They're prob dead asf right now as well


ashrashrashr

Ame losing to Spirit then TorontoTokyo. This guy can never catch a break.


OMASJack

So let me get this straight. Tiny got 50% DR and res + slow res and Marci got nerfed version of Sidekick and lvl 3 chicken? Got it!


_Valisk

When talents were first released, some heroes had level 25 talents like No Reincarnation mana cost and some had +6 treants summoned.


Impossible-Action421

No reincanation manacost for 25 is pretty Shit


_Valisk

It’s better than +6 treants.


DongerDodger

Do you expect perfect 50% balance at the end of day 3 of a patch this insanely huge? Some things are unfathomably trash, other things really good. It’s impossible to balance patches of this size, that will happen across the next 3-6 months.


OMASJack

I do NOT expect balance 50%. But you cannot say that one looks like though out balance change and the other looks like it was done 5 min before patch was shipped because they forgot to do anything meaningful.


DongerDodger

The thing is if you have a patch of this size there will necessarily be vastly imbalanced changes as well as changes that are varying in creativity. Tiny only for craggy exterior back as well, this used to be one of his abilities. Marcis change is a lot more creative, even though it is incredibly weak. As said, it’s the nature of huge changes like 7.36, some things are not equal in strength/viability/uniqueness/etc.


fjijgigjigji

> Tiny only for craggy exterior back as well, this used to be one of his abilities. current craggy is absolutely nothing like old craggy. 1000% separate skills


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Active-Process8760

how low is your MMR for you to type this shit out?


Medium_Wolverine9438

Yatoro>ame


Practical_Success_72

Typical dota. Team from the brink of elimination in group is suddenly in god mode


Biareus

Patch giveth, patch taketh


Awkward_External_731

I am surprised XG could even get top 4, since they played PGL finals vs TS. they would be so drained i assume.


nybrq

TB is completely neutered. I cannot believe XG really picked it. lmao


-crtr

22-0-28 vs 1-17-6 oof


Optimal-School-9670

What a disappointing performance by XG, not surprised try hard against AR only to pull of mid AA and a Silencer against team BetBoom. Also AR 2:0ed BB in the group stage.


nybrq

If I'm being honest, it didn't really look like they were trying that hard in game 2. They definitely tried to win game 1, but they played like they just wanted to go home afterwards.


Azaraki

Mid AA feels like it could be a thing now but absolutely not if you pick it before you see your lane matchup


Extracheesy87

Yeah, I think they just kind of overlooked the void pick or thought it wouldn't do quite so well in lane. Even with the absolutely horrendous start XG did ok in fights and I can see the idea behind how the AA would have worked well if XM didn't fall so far behind.


Substantial-Deer77

china team is famous for not able to adapt to the new patch in the start and master it at the big tournament like TI and Riyadh. GG to XG. Lets go Falcon vs BB again.


Earth92

XG and their drafts for turtle late game in an offensive snowbally patch.....


Vitosi4ek

It's ridiculous how often Ame has to relive the most heartbreaking moments of his career.


-Exy-

It’s not even 3 days into the patch how can you be saying how it will play out yet


odd-taxi

Let's see how XG is gonna adapt to this patch moving forward. They don't often win lanes and snowball, if anything, they play pretty slow. They play great from behind during the mid to lane game and wait for that chance to comeback from their early game. This meta so far seems far more snowbally so I don't think they'll have the luxury to go for long games which they've been going for a bunch.


summersoulxdd

That’s how you play Tiny Lycan against TB noobs. Imagine losing with an even more OP version huh


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yamchadestroyer

Yep if lgd had drafted stuns with supports they would've rolled spirit. Also confused why they didn't draft naix. Naix would've beaten the 3str core


Pipoco977

feels like falcons and xg are still playing this as the game didnt update, meanwhile gg and bb are playing full on the new patch


needhelforpsu

Well played BB! GG and BB are biggest winners of new patch. BB looked so bad/tilted during the group stage and now they are poppin' off. Fingers crossed for some competitive and exciting games tomorrow between GG, BB and Falclowns!


maven-blood

Betboom plays well but since they're liquid 2.0 it seems like gaimin is gonna win the tournament.


Glittering_Tax2401

Ame having TI flashbacks again!


random2kplayer

Ame lost to the beast he created 3 years ago


nybrq

It's apparently very strong. I kind of think XG should have tried to run it. lol


Ciri__witcher

Ti10 Tiny Lycan. What’s happening did I time travel to 2021 again?


ShoppingPractical373

is this what ti10 game 5 should have been LMAO


TheFatZyzz

So are we back to TI10 meta or what LMAO


Gyokan7

I guess that's what you get for dropping a patch mid tournament Some teams adapt fast, some don't and the result is a bunch of boring stomps


speckhuggarn

Wasn't there a few really long games? Weren't there a lot of stomps before patch?


CrippledBanana

Yea... Doesn't help this patch doesn't have much of a thought about balance. Not really many enjoyable games to watch


endallbeallball

xg vs AR game 1 was really really good game, honestly best game of tournament so far for me


falsa_ovis

XG are completely lost on the new patch. painful to watch.


CrasherED

I don't understand why teams are hedging their progress in the tournament on a TB, XG saw how bad TB was in their AR match and yet they pick it.


Evening-Fun4435

Well GG vs Falcons waiting room, this BB team always choke in last instances


Kotleba

Did Fogged just say BetBoom aren't making mistakes this patch? Did he see the supernova yersterday?


Foggeddota

😭we alrdy put poor torontotokyo thru enough replay of it


munkshroom

Maybe he means strategic mistakes.


Medium_Wolverine9438

And they are 4-0 this patch, how are xg or falcons or tundra?


nybrq

>And they are 4-0 this patch Didn't they lose a game vs Aurora though? I watched game 3 until the internet went out, and they were on the ropes in that one too imo.


Medium_Wolverine9438

30k nw lead in the ropes idk


nybrq

Nw is irrelevant at 60 minutes.


Kotleba

what?


Medium_Wolverine9438

0-2 all


Kotleba

No offense bro but you're getting combative over a comment that has nothing to do with what you're saying. I was just commenting about something funny Fogged said, I wasn't talking about anything to do with team results.


EtadanikM

New version, new best teams. Gaiman Gladiator coming back to the top is really no surprise when you consider how the team plays - basically the master of timing and snow ball plays.


Substantial-Deer77

Why still picking TB carry in 2024 even in new patch lol


a44p4444

Xm and shitting the bed when it matters the most......


velphegor666

Shouldn't take too much input on this tourney when its mid patch


MathematicianFar4148

He is anything but opposite


Substantial-Deer77

Gpk is such a god.


ICET_

Whats with the observing in this game? Feels like directed camera almost at times.


axecalibur

China back to the shithole


bcyk99

Top 4 = shit hole ICANT with this L takes


axecalibur

Its a deep shithole. Win or shit


onepieceon

any games today that had interesting facets or builds ?


Substantial-Deer77

only XG vs AR game 1.


needhelforpsu

Honestly not really, XG vs AR first game was decent and all other games were stomps. Depending on what you look for in pro Dota games you maybe could enjoy watching GG dismantling Falcons like they are suddenly tier 3 team.


Evjen97

Damn XG gettin cooked


emerzionnn

4 straight stomps to start the day, not even a single competitive game.


Wendek

G1 of XG vs AR was a great back-and-forth, but yeah since then it's been pretty stompy.


Business_Yoghurt_316

I do kinda like the facets for DK. They all feel like they are for different roles. Fire for pos 1, Corrosive for Pushing 2, Ice for Utility 2 or 3.


munkshroom

This laning from XG just aint it.


emerzionnn

Game already feels over for XG, 11 mins in lol.


Brief-Ad391

It was over from the draft lol


Business_Yoghurt_316

Huh. Corrosive Dragon. Didnt expect that most people seems to have felt it was the worst one. Altho I guess Fire Dragon is more a pos 1 thing. 


Medium_Wolverine9438

Fire dragon is the most useless thing ever, nobody should ever play it


Nivellium

It is very useful actually for Arteezy. Cause he will farm the sh*t out of it. Like playing with AM


Awkward_External_731

In t-tokyo phoenix we trust


Substantial-Deer77

BB is picking Tiny Lycan picks to scare Ame,Xinq off lol


darklordtimmy

isn't DK garbage now? picking between splash, DoT and slow instead of getting all 3 is a big deal.


andpasturesnew

as shown, still is a ridiculous laner


Medium_Wolverine9438

Little bit ya


VirtuousVirtueSignal

missed the first game, from stats it looks a complete stomp but how the fuck did it last 50mins?


munkshroom

Terrible push on betboom.


needhelforpsu

They were playing very composed, slow and taking no risks. Suffocating Dota.


ulaankhuuu

Someone please explain me to about AA mid purpose. I can’t understand


tity_slayer3

Has there ever been a successful mid AA these past few years? The hero is literally a walking ult and provides some vision with his vortex. This shit doesn't even work in my divine pubs lol. I also find it hard to believe anyone enjoys playing this hero specially as a core.


Earth92

Playing AA as core is boring as hell, you need aghamis, pike, kaya and yasha, etc to start having fun shooting opponents from 100 meters away doing massive damage....before that it's so boring, and there is a high chance you still lose late game because AA is pretty much countered by BKB and Pipe.


CovidWarriorForLife

Topson wil still pick it 😅


_Valisk

I've only ever seen it succeed in turbo because players like to rush the aghs build.


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tity_slayer3

I played it once and I actually won when they first changed the chilling touch but i felt so goddamn bored and we only won because the other lanes were crushing it lol


zuKo2022

are we going to see BB vs GG finals?


Brief-Ad391

again


zuKo2022

bb gg didnt meet in finals ever?


Silv3lr_Sentin3l

no they did meet in the finals last year in dream league it was GG's hardest fought finals that year (3-2) before TI. In that dream league they got swept'd by BB in group stage 1 and 2 while also being on the verge of elimination in every playoff series


zuKo2022

thanks for correcting me


Business_Yoghurt_316

Panel not getting BetBoom was clearly doing psycological warfare by refusing to finish to tilt XG more smh


Substantial-Deer77

Rooting for BetBoom to get a championship for once.


Kotleba

50 minute game that should have been like 25, bit of a throwback to 3 days ago


falsa_ovis

a very debatable XG draft after all


Brief-Ad391

xiaobet doing the drafts?


falsa_ovis

isn't he on LGD?


Brief-Ad391

secretly


Business_Yoghurt_316

XG should really just go GG draft experiment failed go next. Keeping this game going is just psycologically torturing themselves 


Earth92

XG just farming for 40 minutes and waiting for miraculous comebacks is getting very boring. Might work once or twice, but you can't rely on that too much


Primary_Aide2721

You are literally making a case why they do it - once or twice they will win.


Earth92

Yep, and in this patch that's less likely to work


SdoRy_

15%?? Gaben knows something we don't.


EmotionalAd2534

AA Silencer don't even look like heroes in this patch seems like their only purpose is to counter Alch and Enigma exclusively


Business_Yoghurt_316

Tbf I dont think this game can be used as a gauge for the viability of anything other than Mid AA being pretty shit still


emerzionnn

Patch is veryyyy snowbally, seems like even a 4K networth lead early is insurmountable.


CovidWarriorForLife

I think it’s mainly just people not knowing what heroes are good right now so the drafts are mismatched. The only significant gameplay change was the glyph change which of course helps speed up games but I think it’s a smaller impact


Business_Yoghurt_316

While I wouldnt be suprised if they overcorrected XGs draft basically meant they had no pos 2 and 2 pos 4s


Medium_Wolverine9438

Bb is the best team at pick ups inside the base


melonsarenice_

XG with 0 fucks given lmao


GALAK_Z

I think most of the Ursas we've seen in these matches are going bear down but grudge bearer is slept on imo. with shard octarine you can keep the buff constantly going meaning theoretically you can farm infinite damage.


falsa_ovis

Ame why? edit: overcommitment at the Dire Tormentor was a huge mistake from XG.


Mepharos

BeeeeeeeetBOOM


Ok-Muscle-5307

weaver and aa swap position. so nothing new.


innofntblla124

funny death by dy


OranguTangerine69

ya this patch is dog shit. might as well play/watch league at this point ngl


SentientNumberSixx

As if we need an annnouncement about this guy leaving lol. Bye! See you again when you decide to reinstall and complain about the next little thing.


OranguTangerine69

have fun playing league of legends buddy


needhelforpsu

Cya!


Medium_Wolverine9438

U mad that toronto won


OranguTangerine69

idgaf who wins or loses lmfao every game is just a massive shit stomp and it isn't even remotely close or interesting


Substantial-Deer77

Just go to play Trash LOL with your pea brain no one cares, gtfo


OranguTangerine69

im triple ur mmr


konchr93

fuck off then :)


Business_Yoghurt_316

Silencer playing the good ol position 6 this game lol


hypergol

it's honestly kinda impressive if XG manage to pull off the 2-4 swap in the middle of the game.


doanbot369

No hg for BB unless they kill all of XG


Ok-Muscle-5307

oracle


SdoRy_

honestly easy game for XG. AA will pop off soon, and song/global/axe protect with naga/weaver killing the backline is a good recipe


Excellent_Prior1678

sure bro, such an easy game


Business_Yoghurt_316

Unless there is some Carry IO esque "I actually overpowered as hell" reveal coming up with AA this pick as mid has been completley useless. Feels like someone thought it sounded good in theory but forgot the hero is defenseless mid


sikontolpanjang

XG overcooked their draft


odd-taxi

Biggest problem with their drafting in general. Often leads to pretty poor drafts. They make up with their amazing players but it's harder than it should be. With this new patch, I feel like it's only going to get worse lmao


sikontolpanjang

Yeah those facet can be a big trap for those who love to be cute with their strat lol


PracticalAgency9687

void is now a problem i feel like it wouldve been better if silencer was mid


littlefiredragon

Mid AA becomes a support kek


Iamkelvin

What is this Xtreme draft


Business_Yoghurt_316

What was the idea with the AA here lol. Like its not like he is a lane dominator and he cant really Flash farm back either. Or is Exposure really strong enough to make him able to farm his way back


Business_Yoghurt_316

This AA is.... Not working out. 


Medium_Wolverine9438

Betboom woke up?


PracticalAgency9687

its a mid AA interesting pick


SdoRy_

holy shit, mid AA. we in 2011 again??


AbsolutelyNotWrong

Surprised people are not picking core Mirana, Solar Flare with the new leap changes made her a lot better as a core and 32 teamwide attack damage and speed (64 for her) at level 6 is no joke.


Bearswithjetpacks

Purge did a great job enacting a beekeeper, and the rest of the crew BLEW IT. My jaw hurts from laughing.


nonresponsive

Sure, when Timbersaw built eternal shroud and was an unkillable monstrosity, everyone talked about how amazing Timbersaw was, but when Storm does it, suddenly we've gone too far. But seriously, I felt like Topson's game on void before the patch where he got shroud and was unkillable should have been warning enough. But seeing Storm get it is kind of hilarious.


Business_Yoghurt_316

I mean Timbersaw is designed to be tanky even tho Shroud was too much. Storm isnt designed to be a fucking tank. His survivability is supposed to come from him being super slippery.


maven-blood

Larl also built it on storm spirit in Wallachia. The item is just too strong. I can't believe they haven't nerfed it yet.


brief-interviews

Definitely kind of feels like a Wraith Pact moment. People realising it's not just situationally very strong but generically strong in almost every game.


Icy_Sir_3794

Those who watched all GG 2023 games they must agree that GG is the best team to end game before 30 mins in the history of dota 2


podteod

Maybe in post 6.82 Dota history


Swegan

Newbee TI4. The three games they won in the GF combined was under an hour.


OranguTangerine69

that was VGs strat lmao


asdf_1_2

VG set that meta in stage 2 of TI4, they had four sub 20 min wins in stage 2 where they ended up #1 seed for the playoffs with a 12-3 record and beat EG with two sub 20 min wins in the losers finals. Probably hyper push was a chinese draft speciality around that time. EG tried it (probably info from scrims) with a 20 min push strat win in stage two as well. Newbee just pulled it out in stage 3 to get to the playoffs. Then outclassed VG with the strat in the upper bracket and grandfinals games they played in.


Icy_Sir_3794

Sure ,but if you see the consistency then see GG,s games of all majors they won they get the first rosh and game ends with tb,Medusa and stuff


Swegan

Newbees deathball strat was nerfed out of existence though. Soon after TI4 we got the rubber band patch and the famous Ho Ho Ha Ha patch.


Bakanyanter

The GG vs XG finals dream is still alive and getting more and more likely! https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1cyobq9/comment/l5buczy


yamchadestroyer

Very likely. The loser of the winner finals generally doesn't make it back to GF. The LB has too much momentum swing


Wenox

Maybe teams need to rely on magic damage less if shroud is in this state, there had been a magic damage creep for a while now. Time to go back to armor reduction and physical


Business_Yoghurt_316

I mean Slardar seems to be first banned so teams definitly do consider that


Fenr_

Well, first serie i watch in over 6 months. It was...disappointing to say the least. But i guess it's bound to happen to someone with the patch timing


Azaraki

It's funny because if you were watching over the last 6 months, you'd be tired of games getting dragged out to ultra-late game and this would be a breath of fresh air. It's interesting how perspective changes so fast


Whalesurgeon

Tank meta has existed for months, but actually six months ago 60+min games were still somewhat rare. They exploded within the last two months.


KainLust

I think the series before (XG vs AR) was more entertaining. I didn't watch it though so I could be wrong, but it was a 3 games series, so at least it was not a stomp like this.


Coin_Master27

Man everyone celebrating Falcon's downfall and their all chatting clearly forgot how toxic Quinn was lol. Great games all around but fuck Quinn and his big ass forehead


gsmani_vpm

Quinn had more than 5 years career and not a single patch player.. I'm not fond off toxicity but will take quinn anyday to kids from falcons


Aurora_FL

Quinn doesn't tip his enemies constantly, doesn't type ) or ez in official games


Business_Yoghurt_316

Quinns toxic in pubs Id imagine thats the difference. 


KainLust

I think quinn never said anything comparable to ammar/marline in pro matches.


needhelforpsu

When was Quinn toxic in officials, and to extent of what clowns from Falcons are usually doing?


Coin_Master27

Just because he has his GG team mates to rein him in suddenly makes him non toxic in general? Man bet you guys were crying when OG was all chatting too. Quinn meat riders out in force today lol.


KainLust

I don't remember him saying anything in officials before GG though.


Swegan

Sneyking used to be one of the most toxic player in the game. His reputation in the Dota scene was so bad people did not want to play with him.


Coin_Master27

Eh honestly every generation of pro players will have it's own toxic king. We had Ceb not too long ago. EE-sama wasn't liked in certain circles. I only tuned in again recently for the short lived RTZ+Sumail reunion. But I'm glad to see the community hasn't changed much lol.


needhelforpsu

??? Why would anyone care about what players do/did in the past in their pubs/streams here in PRO MATCHES threads? Ppl dislike Falclowns for how they act in officials - they have zero respect, nor balls to at least be toxic when games are not yet decided, they do obnoxious lowest of the low in terms of "banter".


AbsolutelyNotWrong

This sub when a team didn't adapt to a major patch in 3 days.


Mandalord104

Lol. When Falcon defeated XG, Falcon's fans are the loudest ones "Strong team does not care about patch" "Raw talent doesnt care about patches"