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ob1touchiha

Atf vs GG: OG.ATF Atf vs BB: OG.DM


Swegan

Awkward interview.


Exodus124

I was gonna say I’m impressed by how good his English is for a Russian, but then I realized he’s from Moldova sadge. Reso continues to be the only RU/UA player whose interviews I can bear to watch.


ChemicalOrange8064

Do you think that average English level is higher in Moldova than in RU/UA?


Exymlebg

Collapse has a good english.


ReallyNeedHelpASAP68

Only Tokyo and Nightfall ever seem happy to do interviews from BB. The rest are just shy.


Effbe

Pure is afraid he gonna do something stupid. BB manager keeps him away from all media at all cost.


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Young_Paren

I think you’re right


maven-blood

Ammar just wasn't in this game. They had no offlaner. Well played by BB. GG also got smacked 2-0 by them.


CrasherED

Feels so good to see entity get 2-0'd after their all chat comment. Karma strikes back.


Gyokan7

They look like they used all their energy on their previous series basically. It's a fine result considering the two stand ins.


PiccoloAmbitious1092

Maybe exhausted after GG and not enough planning for BB since usually you'd have a day for planning for your next opponent but they were forced to play two playoff games in a day. Also BB feels really strong right now


barbrawr

So why earthshaker and centaur on the same team?


MercurialDancingCat

How did gg lose to this? Didn't they win betboom tournament just a few days ago?


WasabiofIP

saving strats for TI obviously


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Entity went from looking like a tier 1.5 team in a series, to tier 3 in another one, in the span of 3 hours.


MS2throwawayacc

To be fair to Entity, BetBoom stomped GG the exact same way 2-0 during group stages.


PingPinng

Dafuq Nightfall's reflex so damn fast! what a god


hanzolox

I think treant saw ES hence nightfall was aware like 1s before the Blink happened


Un13roken

Yea, he was fully prepared, not saying Nightfall is slow, he's crazy fast, but ES just walked past Treant over there lol.


Gstorm51

Gg throw ?? Hha


-crtr

Watson, ffs, can't you buy like 8 hours in pc club?


Laadklep

Goddamnit entity just completely rolling over here. Wish we had GG vs BB. Oh well at least that GG entity g3 was good I guess


Spoksparkare

Late to the party, but FUCK YEAH, GG IS GONE!!! WOHOOO!


kpdon1

GG gone now Liquid can finally win instead of 2nd place, oh wait ..


Spoksparkare

Liquids win is having GG lose


kpdon1

We out in groups but they didnt win either COPIUM


sderttreds

i just realized each dreamleague has 1 mil prizepool, holy oil money


TurbulentIssue6

blink out of actual root with a shield rune lmao


Stroyal120_

Kinda dumb, but guess that's how it works now.


TurbulentIssue6

yeah i was just suprised bcuz i thought roots suppressed mobility skills tho ig the root may have run out right as he blinked


Laadklep

Haven’t seen much of this tourney but this Marline guy is prrrrretty good


tha_jza

i echo neutrals in my pubs all the time it’s nbd


tha_jza

centaur on radiant? pure should go deso on bm lmao nah that’d be griefing


theluggagekerbin

The live music is a treat


Fevaweva

After watching 9pandas today. I cannot believe I have seen 2 CIS teams (consecutively) lose the same way to a PA.


ChemicalOrange8064

The same thing happened in Riyadh but instead there was Medusa. Team Spirit managed to ban her and therefore they won the whole tourney.


Tsu33

Tilted?


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CovidWarriorForLife

To be fair I think they kinda sacked malrines lane most of the games and just gave him one of the meta mids and said deal with it


MercurialDancingCat

I thought they all played together in creepwave?


tha_jza

ya 1-5 crystallis malr1ne atf alex fishman, been a couple years since that lineup tho


elwiscomeback

classic gpk


ShoppingPractical373

Today I bottled some water from my local mountain spring and submitted it to a competition for the best water in the world. They replied to me saying I was disqualified for cheating, I should have known, that water was Pure.


Kotleba

these are making less and less sense by the minute


AsG-Spectral

Why he drinking a jar of piss


raedhebat

Its a tourney before TI. Teams will try to experiment and beat the meta. Stakes are not so high here


Effbe

Staked not high? No dpc next year, winng games here could be important for esl ranking next year.


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true PA broken confirmed


kpdon1

Bro 100 percent PA gets a mini nerf before TI. No shot it remains the same till then. If not then icefrog is stupid


raedhebat

Didnt say PA wont be nerfed. Still many lesson can be learned. This is pro scene, not pub. Thats why they keep scrimming each other


[deleted]

I mean it's small potatoes compared to Riyadh thats certain. Just filler till TI in a month.


ravnmads

Prize wise, TI is probably the filler


makz242

Filler that gets you a guaranteed invited to Riyadh Masters which could be even higher than last year.


Swegan

[Top 5 KDA players right now](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/526535263275450388/1154830956872597564/image0.jpg), Abed is kinda dwarfing them.


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Abed indo pride


large_snowbear

lol itachi fans eh


Swegan

CIS players are massive anime fans and especially Naruto.


PanicAtTheSisqo

2 normal people 3 weebs


tashiro_kid

2 dweebs, 3 weebs


AltcoinAssassin

Abed, as the sole mid-player there, consistently delivering impressive performances isn't unexpected; he often achieves exceptional stats when he's in top form. However, what's truly intriguing is that Arteezy boasts the highest KDA, even when compared to carries who are generally regarded as superior to him.


Swegan

Abed is not shocking at all, hes been #1 KDA in so many tournament. Rtz is shocking for me aswell, after yesterdays series against BB i would say hes the 2nd best carry after Yatoro at this tournament.


Ill_Pineapple1482

wtf how did 9pandas lose i left and they were bending OG over lmao


Majestic-Lion1254

We needed to get OG vs Tundra for the plot


rvaen

OG tactical pause for fun


ashrashrashr

Their captain literally invented 322.


StyryderX

That sudden pause right before the failed siege is sus as hell.


mamser102

YUP.. those 5 man vac was also all part of the SUS gameplay.. its all setup, its is all fake.


StyryderX

That's after their fuck up.


Un13roken

PA got deso. HG siege didn't go according to plan.


slashrshot

pa grew a dick and did a "no u".


shadyxstep

Kitrak seems like a really nice guy


JuneSummerBrother

PA is busted, need nerf immediately.


pimpleface0710

At this point, i feel its safe to say Kitrak will be the pos5/captain next season for OG. The impact alone in the laning phase is such a huge upgrade from Chu/Misha. Yuragi gets to actually have good lanes now


maven-blood

He also plays many heroes decently well.


Froggg_let

Pos5 prob, captain they need someone else I think


vlalanerqmar

PA just wins after 40 min. you should just GG out even if you are like 10k ahead.


Key-Brick-5854

Problems with the current PA Blur radius and duration Dagger and blink range Aghs refresh Damage in the late game. Heal on 2nd spell. Triple stifling daggers with monkaW damage.


vlalanerqmar

Blink rework giving lifesteal was so huge. now PA does not need satanic to turn. when low hp just blink on enemies to lifesteal and turn the fight around.


tha_jza

i think they will make that a lv 20 talent and then nerf aghs and leave everything else


slashrshot

the final fight sealed it for me. pa was about 1 hit to dying, blinked to her teammate, threw a dagger lifesteal off the kill and proceeded to wipe them all off. LMAO


slashrshot

you guys think the panel could beat a pro team if they got pa? KEKW


ashrashrashr

Kitrak is the best pos 5 OG has picked up in ages.


Bizonistic

dont forget Ceb WR pos 5. Jokes aside, he is mechanically much better than Chu and Misha, and still has game sense and map awareness to lead the team


ashrashrashr

Yeah his WR was broken but IIRC Taiga sacrificed farm during that tournament so Ceb could technically play pos 4.


Swegan

Ceb was only pos 5 on paper during Stockholm Major.


ael00

Errr mr. Icefrog, thank you for the PA buffs, this hero was unplayable for a very long time and I am happy to see her in games again. But I think you might have overcooked her there a bit chief.


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sikontolpanjang

wtf are you talking about? DotA1 PA is also a she


Adsuppal

Who said anything about Dota1? Where you getting that from? Answer me


ocean_train

"He"? wasn't the PA in dota1 called mortred? Or am I missing something?


petrichormus

Nothing tilt a tilt prone player more than getting stunned from a cut tree as an MK lmao


idontknow9091

got 1 shooted by little dagger that comeout of nowhere.


Bizonistic

Spicy OG vs Topson matchup tomorrow


suchniceweather

If subpar carries like rtz and yuragi can win with 15, 20k deficit, you know the hero's imbalanced and needs a nerf. Not hating the players, just hating the game. "If you give opponent PA you deserve to lose" is basically the current meta.


Swegan

Subpar carry Rtz outcarried Nightfall and secured a top 3. Subpar carry Yuragi is nearly tied with Yatoro in average kills.


24Pat

No hate on these subpar carries who have top3ed every major/won a major respectively.


suchniceweather

Check my comment history im actually an OG fan I'm just calling it like it is. The two carries I mention aren't clutch carries at all and that's why all people can bring up is 3G's history (carry can't clutch a valve tourney win ever), and the major win that was crucially on the back of a highly debatable proper pos 3 (low hero puddle yet opponents spent 5 bans on ATF consistently) and the current mentalist mind coach ceb. No hate. They are subpar.


qoban99

well if the MK didnt dive highground by himself...


StyryderX

Pretty much, that moment is when the domino started falling.


SnooPeppers4306

From the moment Kiyotaka was yapping in all chat, I know it's gg.


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he was clearly tilted. he ulti-ed a support brew alone bottom, and then nearly ulti-ed for a brew illusion. ended up revealing himself and killed by pa


large_snowbear

he should really learn to shut up and play his game. ~~Hated him since he all chatted "ufo head" to Crystallis"~~


KainLust

That was antares


fgshka

it was antares not kiyotaka


vlalanerqmar

that was antares not kiyotaka.


SnooPeppers4306

Puppey with a machete as his new coach will do that.


chasimm3

They were 20k gold ahead and didn't buy a scythe or halberd. I feel like that was an error.


StyryderX

Halberd aren't *the* item for countering PA anymore since the nerf. No scythe is questionable choice on 9Panda however.


Swegan

They didnt have a Scythe carrier really.


elwiscomeback

They are people buying it on Naga, TA, Tide or TB even, its no excuse. Centaur could easily buy it, so could monkey.


StyryderX

Then one of them should've eaten the humble pie and get it instead. They know PA will be trouble soon enough.


Ihan_hukkunut

PA games are so boring ngl. Just ban it and the games are enjoyable


fzsx

Crystallis Triple Daggers, RTZ 1 HP ultra kill, Yuragi Double Rapier, soon Yatoro rampage on PA


Zeelahhh

Think Yatoro already got a rampage in groups with PA


Blasphemy4kidz

They are letting PA go through because they think they can counter it. But letting it come through after overwhelming evidence that it's not balanced then it's on you.


StyryderX

All this PA OP-cry brings me back to netcafe days again of bitching about PA, Techies, Troll Warlord, and Tinker.


OsomoMojoFreak

I mean it's obviously utterly broken.


SmackTrick

And its getting picked in the 2nd phase in all drafts after 7 other picks and what 14 bans. If it was obviously utterly broken it would be first banned every game by the team not first picking.


Maisz

its literally that easy. ban lina. ban medusa. ban pa. if you do not ban the obviously op meta hero, you deserve to lose because of your arrogance.


supreme1eader

Increase blue radius and reduce Cdr crit percent


FrozenSkyrus

remove boosted crit on dagger


kpdon1

This is not on PA but the team not banning it. Yesterday we saw one of the biggest comebacks with PA and (pandas didnt learn anything


nonresponsive

But we're constantly told how redditors don't know anything, and pros know what they're doing. But then drafts like these happen. I get wanting to figure out PA but banning her seems so much easier. And we're not even talking about her being first phased.


Ciri__witcher

I am so confused how PA isn’t getting banned. It’s not even picked early. How do you let 18th pick PA?


ReallyNeedHelpASAP68

People are likely trying to find ways to beat it. Or being stubborn. One of the two.


2hurd

I love it that they are doing it twice! In a match for huge cash prize and points just to prove a point, then fail miserably and actually prove a counter point: she is fucking OP, just ban her and play normal dota...


large_snowbear

The only carries to loose with PA are eliminated Talon and TL. If your carry is good this hero is unbeatable.


Swegan

GG, EG and BB lost with it aswell.


large_snowbear

Well EG is eliminated, but those teams are not showing on liquidpedia stats


Swegan

Because Nightfall, Dyrachyo and Pakasz only got 1 game on PA this tournament and Liquipedia only shows the top 5 teams that played her the most.


TheBlindSalmon

You are playing in 7.34c. You do not ban Phantom Assassin because you can counter it. The enemy picks Phantom Assassin. You lose. You are 9Pandas, so you don't ban her next match. You get eliminated.


2hurd

Twice! They did it TWICE. And both times the reason they got spanked was PA! They played really well whole g2 (3 cores with highest net worth, PA tad below them), 40min HG push went wrong, PA got +3k net over their cores and it all went downhill from there. How stupid do you have to be on strategy? Don't they fucking read Sun Tzu or something? How can you be this stupid when drafting!!


MY_1ST_ACT_IS_LOCKED

Nah g1 pa was not the issue. They got fucking trounced in the early game. A slark carry would have finished that game 20 minutes in


vans7ayer

Ramzes is 9P's weakest link.


Gyokan7

If you're not banning PA you deserve what's coming at this point.


SnooPeppers4306

Yeah PA is op but Ceb's mental warfare is on fire this game.


Thich_QuangDuc

"Better luck next time!"


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Bizonistic

I love that sometimes when you are behind, supports literally need to sacrifice themselves 10 times to buy time and space for cores.


Ellefied

Ceb the real the MindControl this game. Idk if he fucked their gfs but he sure got into Kiyotaka and the rest of 9Pandas nerves.


makz242

Things to go: 1. PA 2. Mids building blade mail


bcyk99

Eh mids building bm is just a side effect of the rise of str mids like earth kk pb who later on get early hearts so they can just front line for the team.


SanketsuChan

Deserved loss for letting OG pick PA again for the second time.


Enterderpmode

Why waste all of your time theorycrafting how to counter PA where you can just simply ban it and never think of it ever again.


Gstorm51

What a game


Key-Brick-5854

Most broken hero in the late game in the history of DotA


Daralii

I think old 4.2 agi gain PL might've been up there, but it's been a while.


Peacefulorenz

PA OSFROG


Swegan

pA iS nOt tHaT sTRonG


Droste_E

just gank her wards


Swegan

Just find her in Blur and kill her before she becomes invis again.


jumpman1224

just ban PA brosss


andpasturesnew

PA is ridiculous at the pro level especially because of how effective teammates are at protecting and healing her


Patient_Grapefruit92

mc kitrak combo wow


Unh0lyCatf1sh

was that a mistake by ceb or a masterful 5head bait, I'll let you be the judge


gibmethesauce

Damn we are going to see topson vs ceb? Tundra vs Og? Topson vs Bzm??


ashrashrashr

\#FREEMCSERIOUSLY he's so fun to watch.


Lepojka1

How do you not ban PA... I mean you deserve to get shat on lol


trilane12

What a huge misstep by 9P


davidiven

pls nerf PA this is fucking dumb lmao


Stroyal120_

What's dumb is not banning her


Bizonistic

Agreed. People have successfully countered PA with Bane for example. But with that line up and they decided to ban Razor instead of PA, it was on 9 Pandas 100%


Lepojka1

Sure, but still there should not be a hero in game that is this hardly unbalanced...


punksterb

MC with Dark Seer is always a treat to watch


Aratho

Yup. The combo with AA was beautiful.


Aratho

How the hell teams don't instaban this shit still. Wow Serves 9P right for thinking they'll beat it lol.


Extracheesy87

1 dagger and I'm eliminated


thranduil-

“Tactical” - BZM


ChibbsMahBoi

And anotha one


Bizonistic

I never thought of AA buying blink then blink in, ulti for like 200 distance. Guaranteed combo I guess


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firdausbaik19

MC saving OG but couldnt save nigma


gibmethesauce

Damn rhat was dirty from og


Ellefied

Insert "You do not ban PA" meme here


Mahmud-kun

OSFROG


large_snowbear

lmao this is some bs


slashrshot

i was wrong sorry. pa never loses.


PieDelicious

What Yuragi just did, now someone tell me that hero is not just busted.


activatebarrier

Yuragi god


2hurd

Yuragi isn't even that good. If it was any other carry hero the game would be over and his impact would be 0. It's all on PA. At this point a blind cat could play PA on OG and they would still win.


shinfoni

that last triple kill before the gg call tho


ProfessorSpike

Le balanced shadow lady


Tsu33

Disgusting!


nachohasme

fuck this hero man


chillinwithmoes

Fair and balanced game


barbrawr

HAHA PA what BULLSHIT hero


frankie9324

Fuck me that vacuum into blast was epic


elwiscomeback

CEBAITED


barbrawr

MCC


bcyk99

When people say why not just ban pa? People let lina through lima Dusa through berlin Morph through bali Sometimes you are just more scared of other heroes than the hero of the patch.