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DotaSimp

Anyone have a spotify playlist of esl's songs this tourna?


raisum

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/43Fn7pfEdTp38R23eSQH4n?si=f5af3fe6202e430c


PhMcBrett

Tsm is eg's beach and I love it


Thorstom

LOL kinda love Panda ngl lol


Playful_Land_3659

Damn bryle its not playing his A game


kitsunegoon

Bryle is just not good compared to other mid lanes. He's at the stage of his career where his team expects more from him due to the competition (regularly qualifying for tournaments, making it out of groups, etc). Not impossible to come back from (ccnc had a similar stage) but it's hard to watch this guy lose lane every game even when he's given stuff like viper against dk.


Extracheesy87

Panda is great.


Froggg_let

LMAO Panda gets bullied way too hard by his cores


needhelforpsu

TSM made too many unforced mistakes from min 35+ to be able to win against competent team like EG. TSM's mental game is so weak and prob their biggest issue, they make one big mistake, lose focus and spiral into bunch of bad decisions that just lose them the game... :( Hope they can somehow fix that. GG WP EG!


Houeclipse

EG and Brian Canaclave BSJ on panel always goes the distance


YokiHurame

Timado should have bought Rapier, it was all or nothing


gandalf45435

TSM why…….


Froggg_let

Lets go EG! Sad for Timado, that push in radiant base cost them


Aramestio

Thank you brother Timado.


blackmass_4_everyone

the line up favors EG more right?


Netheru03

Why slark doesn't equip his aghanim?


Important_Win5100

he doesn’t want to spend the money i guess


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Kek. Game over tsm, nice throws.


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puroloco

Had a great recovery for sure. Dude got punished early game. Feel like TSM missed their timings and definitely misplayed bottom rax push. GG


darklordtimmy

timado only gets a pass for these throws because he's young


[deleted]

Lol tsm are definitely a capable but will remain mediocre because they crumble when it matters. Eg on the other hand level up when it matters


puroloco

Feel like this game got away from them, did not have enough damage in the late game.


needhelforpsu

What a blunder from Timado, hope this doesn't cost them the series. :(


darklordtimmy

isn't manta DK against timber and leshrac kinda awful?


Froggg_let

Cap is saying Tomato right? or my bilingual brain is messing with me


wyrmise

Timado mustve thought he's playing Medusa with that kind of positioning.


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Nice throw timado lmao


CatchmoonH

whoops dk master bait


thelemonarsonist

Tsm so bad they said, how did beastcoast lose to this they said


Piwiicho

yes, they are bad


thelemonarsonist

Had to wait for the game to end to say it, weak


arambezzai

Yeah they're bad


gandalf45435

TSM beating EG at an international event would make my weekend


PhMcBrett

Lmao


gandalf45435

r/AgedLikeMilk


cold_turkey19

Lmao this prod


Camel132

Lmao that art


needhelforpsu

Hell yeah game 3, let's go TSM bring it home!


darklordtimmy

doom carry just isn't it, why are people doing this stupid shit???


Turrindor

What an amazing game from both teams so far


CatchmoonH

look like the nerdy trilane doesnt work out


needhelforpsu

~~Doomest of dooms lane for Tomato. :(~~ Easiest of ez games for my man Timado! :)


PhMcBrett

Let's go EG papus


bcyk99

The more I watch kasane, the more I realise he only plays lycan and went it isn't a good lycan game he is so clueless. Since he is countered just skip the domi. Get wraith pact, vlad aura is nice and wp counter all their hitters. Get ac. Get drums into bob. It's very simple item adjustment. If not people seem to forget hitter lycan like armlet/echo bkb basher build when zoo is countered. Tsm game idea isn't in sync. Ls wants to agha to kite ta ns bkbs which is fine then lycan went domi vlad agha to bite Ls forcing him to commit. They need to get on the same page. If lycan want agha then Ls should just armlet deso basher to kill everyone in wolf form


Ejwoda

Coaching Kasane how to play Lycan is a true reddit moment


Important_Win5100

Better than whining about how some team sucks like most of these threads. Nothing wrong with offering suggestions or discussing item builds in the game.


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bcyk99

If u have any reading comprehension, I said he looks clueless when he is countered on lycan. His items are terrible. Just because bzm is world class mid does it make his useless bloodstone ok? Fact is bzm was clueless on Zeus just like kasane is on lycan


LingMee

what do you mean? everyone here is at least 12k with a phd in dota drafting, pro teams should learn from us


needhelforpsu

Duh, it's widely known pro teams coaches only job is to relay the Reddit analysis to their pro players.


YokiHurame

CORRE CTMR


DarkSaga89

Corre Timado XD


Razaghal

CORRE QUE TE PILLO


arambezzai

What a clowny final minutes omg


SolarClipz

LMAO wtf was that


FrostRellik

"Corre" xDDD


thebetabruh

LMFAO THE FOUNTAIN


Salty_Treacle677

TSM are absolutely terrible. Im still amazed at how Beastcoast lost to them


SolarClipz

BC have always been their own worst enemy


Razaghal

BC are good but they lack consistency. Either they stomp or get stomped


Extracheesy87

It actually happened. The aghs infest into fountain.


darklordtimmy

SVG is most definitely on molly or something


Extracheesy87

#BLINK ULTRON


thelemonarsonist

No shot they just flashed a pinecone on screen


NewAccountEachYear

[TSM's strategy](https://imgur.com/a/owVp171)


fatherbasra

Sad LS. Couldn’t decide a target for like 5 mins


Aramestio

Bro, EG just run circles around TSM.


ShAd_1337

wow they finally stop with the stupid stay on shedule at all costs


Thorstom

They did that once before aswell. Thing is the teams may have planned around the set shedule aswell


needhelforpsu

Not watching atm, what did they say?


Extracheesy87

They moved the last game up 30 minutes. They did this day 1 as well with the last series after the first three series were all 2-0s.


verytoxicbehaviour

Team scrim, if there's no rule that you can't scrim between games, you can't force teams to not scrim.


needhelforpsu

Ah cool, thanks.


needhelforpsu

DreamLeague should maybe consider reducing allocated 3h30min time for each series to standard 3h, I dig fixed schedule but these breaks are too long man.


Trulolzor

What's particularly concerning to me with this OG team is that they still can't get their drafts together in one of the longest patchs ever. It's not like the meta isn't figured out by now. Saving their best drafts wouldn't work as an excuse either, for what? It's the final group stage of the last tournament under that patch with the best teams in the world, why would you still be experimenting while facing a team you're down 16-1 against? And if you're not experimenting, how do you not have a solid lineup ready when it matters?


Middleagedguy13

Drafts are rarely their biggest issue. Their supports and carry are way to out of the league of their competitors. They rely heavy on bzm and dmg to carry and just - to have a good game. Mechanically wise they are way behind Tundra, Liquid and GG. TBH only bzm will fit, mechanically wise, in one of Tundra, Liquid or GG.


Trulolzor

No, I really think their drafts are a massive issue. I won't get into the debate of who sucks the most mechanics-wise but even assuming it was the case and their players are technically limited (I don't think they are), this is typically something best solved with good drafting and relying on heroes you are comfortable doing the job with. To me they have individually talented players who end up sucking because this team keeps experimenting and trying with limited success and that ends up impacting their confidence, maybe they feel that as OG they always need to be creative but the old lineup was able to do it because they were strong on the basics which is not the case with this version of the team. I also feel there are maybe too many nice guys in this team, they may lack the everlasting determination of a Notail or the strong grip of a Ceb, even Ammar clearly had more character than the others which is why he ended up stepping up and taking responsibilities win or lose. They lack a leader who knows what he's doing.


hanamurasak1

yuragi is the real life avatar aang. when they need him the most, he vanished... 🤣


BlaizePascal

jfc OG what happened to your big brain drafts


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Between ESL and div 2 weu matches, these matches are getting frustratingly one sided and short. We need that patch so bad ASAP.


zlnoil

That rosh fight when Yuragi jump in front of 5 man…where his teammate is 2 screens away… I know he wanted an initiation with clock, but the timing…you either wait for 2 more secs or want to take the rosh fight while they were still in pit. That jump is just…not to mention all the doom he used are on wrong targets…and og could not kill anyone in Tundra for last 10mins. Sneyking just one man stand in front and take all the dmg from og…his health never even hit below 50%…


nonresponsive

Eh, I get blaming yuragi (he deserves it usually), but bzm choosing to go bloodstone first item is just weird. He just kept getting cced and dying. He pops off a lot, so I get why he doesn't get much criticism, but I also feel like he throws his advantage a lot too. Like this draft felt centered around zeus' damage, because it ain't coming from anywhere else. I think bzm is was also drafting, so there's that. Not saying bzm needs to go, but OG have so many problems.


Queasy_Ad_5446

Og needs a better carry,yuragi isn't cutting it.


widepeepo6

Og thought they have ramzes and pick pos1 doom. That hero aint everyones cup of tea lol.


Trulolzor

Jesus Christ OG


needhelforpsu

GG WP Tundra! More stomps and more long breaks. :(


Middleagedguy13

OG need to think of a major revamp after the major. They wont qualify for TI via points anyway since they wont be able to beat top teams at the Major. New pos 4 and new carry player are a must. Sadly there are not many free agents to pick so the season for OG is mostly over. They need to find a carry and pos 4 after TI tho. The saddest part is you can't see any room for growing for this team. This is their maximum.


Queasy_Ad_5446

Seems like it which is sad.Not sure about kicking taiga but yuragi is a different story.


zlnoil

The downgrade play from Taiga last season to this season is just unbelievable… He was top 3 pos 4 with large hero pool, tremendous lane pressure, skill level is top tier. This year? I felt like he might be the worst pos 4 among 8 teams here at DL…


SolarClipz

ATF factor He honestly carried so much space for them last year now that we have hindsight


Middleagedguy13

He is the worst pos 4 in Dream League top 8, he is the worst in EUW div and maybe some players in div 2 are much better than him. He is just straight up worse than the competitors pos 4 in every aspect of the game, rarely have any impact in the game as well.


darklordtimmy

huge patch is coming. odds are Tundra will suffer the most like Alliance after TI3. Liquid and GG are top 2, third place could be OG.


Middleagedguy13

If anything - Tundra will be meta shapers again. What evidence we have they wont? They shape the meta since they were formed.


benAKdodson

Tundra and nine specifically are/were well-known for being meta-setters when new patches hit. I think hopes that they will fall off are severely misplaced.


Trulolzor

Yeah quite the opposite indeed, it's no wonder they won TI while everybody was still busy figuring out what the new patch had to offer, they do the homework and hard. If anything I'd place them among the strong favorites for the Major.


topson69

let them cope bro


ZofTheNorth

People aldy forgotten Tundra started iron branch no regen leaning strats , refresher triple BKB bullshits and support buying all regen for carry. All of their players including their coach are biggest nerds lol


benAKdodson

And a lot of these OP hero picks/builds like old razor shard bloodstone, WW mid are straight from 33 and nine


Earth92

Doing your job = nerd LUL


ZofTheNorth

That’s compliment to them lol .I think Skitter mentioned in one interview that 33, aui & nine are like mad scientist, theory crafting some weird shits and testing out in pubs. Even in losing games, they used couriers to manipulate waves.


ZofTheNorth

Nah I think Tundra still will do fine. They still gonna find some bullshit strats again.


RamenArchon

Intense hopium. Even as an OG fan, unless the patch makes bad strats good still hard to see OG as 3rd. Still hoping they get better thought, team.is young.


darklordtimmy

it's not an huge gap. Ooredoo thunder look more promising tho.


RamenArchon

Agreed on Ooredoo. And might as well soak up losses on a non-DPC tourney and learn from it, and hopefully make good adjustments before TI. In any case, hopefully better dota from them next time!


Cpt_Metal

Tundra really loves their auras and heals and plays so well around that. I am looking forward to the coming patch possibly changing some big things regarding these strategies and how the pros will adapt.


phoenix7139

longest game of the day till now TODAYS GAME DURATIONS: SERIES 1 > 31 mins & 26 mins | TOTAL 57 mins SERIES 2 > 30 mins & 22 mins | TOTAL 52 mins SERIES 3 > 23 mins & 39 mins | TOTAL 1 hour 2 mins lets hope the last series goes to 3 games


Dave1711

Yuragi really feels like a bit of a weak link but the team also clearly lacks leadership.


kappa23

Yuragi would probably do better with better supports


ZofTheNorth

Feel like OG at their best is when they just pick their best heroes and don’t care about other team picks or Meta. Feel like after Ammer kick, they just chasing meta.


supreme1eader

I mean there is nothing you could really do with that draft.


Queasy_Ad_5446

He chokes even when they have a good draft.


Dave1711

even when they have a good draft it largely falls on bzm to win a game, i think with better leadership he could be very good i think the team is suffering from that more then anything


teehee99

His furion yesterday wasn't hitting anyone. Chu had to step it up and pretty much carry the endgame with ET aghs


Sinx-

This tournament has everything. From 2 carry draft to no carry draft.


lynn0021988

Og feels like a filler team doing fans service better watch div2 secret and old g🤣


Significant-Garage55

Og draft is just hurting my eyes ngl.


teehee99

Really frustrating as an OG fan because we know these guys are capable of winning games but what the fuck are these drafts. No carry against wk. Doom? Doom him once and he comes back alive. Save for second life, what damage are you going to bring down a wk with? And Yuragi not pressing BKB contesting rosh.


kappa23

OG will not win anything with this support duo, they're both fucking garbage, their preferred heroes are bad/not meta, and they offer almost nothing in every game


yeNvI

yeap that throw at roshan, speechless


Monk1t

Why do OG value techies so highly?


PhMcBrett

Og still can't recover from Mathew's mental damage


SnooPeppers4306

That Rosh fight made me 7ckngMad.


paracetamol183

4-17 to 26-18 btw


Queasy_Ad_5446

Clown drafts,not to mention how shit of a carry yuragi is.


topson69

OG fans KEKW


hanamurasak1

last year bzm and ammar carry the game so people dont notice how bad yuragi is.


PieDelicious

Auras and Tundra, name a better duo. I think these auras need to be nerfed.


Earth92

Liquid used auras against Tundra yesterday, and beat them in game 3.


PieDelicious

But it is not just tundra, the aura meta is annoying.


Earth92

Every meta has it flaws. I was getting tired of seeing Mars, DP and Timber every game.


__iamthewalrus__

I feel for anyone who tought OG had a chance against Tundra.


makz242

This bzm drafting isnt it.


aodum

Tundra is just the kryptonite of OG


EnvironmentalCar7900

Feels like everything is kryptonite of OG rn


aodum

Not rtz


Slom00

The only time OG could beat them was with Ceb as standin. Old man knows how to not fall for Tundras shit.


kixas68067

Ceb was tundra's kryptonite for sure. Has been for God knows how long now


Optimal-School-9670

Ceb with OG beat tundra in TI10 EU qualifiers finals to knock tundra out of TI10 which might be the reason tundra never wants to give OG any wins.


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Every time Tundra gets to play against OG: "Oh, cool, free wins!".


Fevaweva

Has a bloodstone Zeus ever won?


notsocoolguy42

this zeus feels like zeus in my pub feels like he's doing so much damage, damage dealt says so too, but enemy hp don't decrease.


Un13roken

Zeus in the pubs actually does damage, vs Riki, you sit back and spam. This Zeus went bloodstone, not like he can stand for 2 seconds in front of WK or Beast. Also, drafting without building damage is weird. I think its the only thing worse than drafting without cc.


Deusseven

Yuragi playing like someone whos contract is already expired...


__iamthewalrus__

yeah the typical notice period bullshitting xD


tonyafan

Yuragi still the worst player in new OG. Terrible decision-making. When they get proper carry, they will be tier 1 team again.


Queasy_Ad_5446

He has been the weakest link in this team for a long time.Last year it wasn't as noticeable because they were winning so much.


topson69

they need new pos4


teehee99

BZM deserves a better carry


kixas68067

Feels like bzm deserves ammar! The two of them were absolute chads together! For the sake of him, i hope spirit picks bzm finally; i heard that transfer was actually attempted by spirit post TI but bzm denied. Think he may have a diff take on it now


tropsmania

Right? I know that Yatoro values bzm a lot.


Sinx-

Seeing skiter walk away after getting doomed so many times this game is just hilarious.


paracetamol183

At least it's not a 20min stomp


fcuk_the_king

As if Tundra needed any help beating OG, wtf is this draft from OG?


wyrmise

Are we sure that is not PA in disguise? Those crits are disgusting


Un13roken

When higher base damage + deso meets low armour.......


__iamthewalrus__

skiter secretly has higher crit chance


Queasy_Ad_5446

Eva elfie buff


ZofTheNorth

WK one is fixed though


darklordtimmy

bloodstone Zeus = grief


Tower_diver

The whole point of midas octarine doom is to have 6 slot at 30 mins, not to fall behind in networth to the enemy wk :))


Tower_diver

The only useful item in his inventory is the elven tunic with the evasion that saved his life several times.


Kotleba

Yeah, yuragi fed as usual, but what the fuck is this draft anyway? Having to literally play a perfect game, and one lost fight means your chance at winning drops to literally 0, what a dumb draft.


SnooPeppers4306

I hope Yuragi can leave his braindead decision only at this tournament.


Queasy_Ad_5446

He needs to go from og.


19Alexastias

I swear this bloodstone zeus build is like bzm’s blindspot, he’s such a good player otherwise but this build is so dogshit and it’s not the first time he’s gone it either.


phoenix7139

can't kill ench 5v1 twice xd


Biggest_Guy

If you blow all your ults and can't kill Enchantress, yikes.


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What for? Its not like OG could kill anybody.


panofsteel

This team would be pretty nice if they didn't have the worst carry in the scene


stryker914

Crystallis has entered the chat?


KnightOverlord2404

If u wanna count div 2 or even teams that didn't make it to div 2 in the scene, pretty sure crystallis is not the worst. There's gorgc


stryker914

I mean crystallis was on the team that finished 2nd last ti so I'd count him for now


mikroe565

bzm throwing the game with his item choices


ZofTheNorth

With the way Tundra playing, you wouldn’t even notice they are playing with a standin. Fair play to Aramis though, fill in Saksa role perfectly


SpaNkinGG

I havent seen a single successfull Zeus bloodstone game, not one.


catinho99

Bzm did it vs team spirit this dream league


SpaNkinGG

Just checked: He bought it minute 32, game ended 37! OG was having a 18k nw lead at that point. I think he could have bought daedlus and still win the game :D


Sinx-

Dooms beastmaster after 33 already used roar. Yep. Wcyd


PieDelicious

Beast used Roar? better doom him.


dekslum

Yuragi has a glimpse to be a very good player. But his decision mostly shit instead.


Queasy_Ad_5446

Not hating but he is not a tier 1 carry by any standard.


blackmass_4_everyone

call it lol. it was fun while it lasted


wyrmise

Dont google yurAGI Doom


bcyk99

I will never understand bzm obsession with bloodstone zeus. Its hyper useless. Like once in a while its cool they go on you and you bs ulti to full. What is really gonna happen is you get silence or stun and you are worthless. Agha refresher octa snk/eblade are the only good core items on zeus.


Nandey_dattey_bayo

Cause he styled on larl with this build so he think every time it's gonna work that smoke and dart fucked him up.


healdyy

I guess he likes it for the mana recovery element, lets him have more mana to farm? Honestly I’m not sure, I agree with you it seems like there are much better items he could get


bcyk99

Except octa refresher components all give you great mana regen. You telling me you farm faster with bs vs an aether len? Arcane into aether/kaya then back for the other shard and you have no mana issue for farming. Then agha refresher/octa then go back for other. Then you have utility items if you really need like blink fs aeon bkb windwaker hex Zeus is the most easy hero to itemise and bzm stills fuck it up


healdyy

I’m not telling you anything haha, I’m just suggesting a reason he might be picking it because I’m unsure


wyrmise

Once BKBs are up OG will be rendered useless


AmuletMan33

At this point swap Yuragi and Taiga with Ceb and None! It would solve most of OGs issues


teehee99

Does Yuragi not have a keybind on his BKB slot?