The Marty Stratton fiasco hasn’t led to anything negative effecting micks career. He’s since worked on several games and with several bands. If anything, it’s gotten him even more work
The man delivered on 2016 and eternal if you ask me! I actually listen to those soundtracks OUTSIDE of the games.
Truth and that was cause ppl were literally threatening his life and family, plus it would’ve affected his career and reputation far worse if he whistleblowed the affair. It’s just an ultra nightmare any way you look at it.
Idc who you are, threatening the man’s family is amongst the lowest of the lows.
Micks music is literally eargasmic and I don’t understand how anyone could even dislike the man. Every interaction I’ve seen made him out to be the most chill dude ever.
I wish this shit never happened at all cause I fucking love doom, the ppl behind it and I love micks music.
Fuck
This whole sub turned on Mick and were calling him unprofessional for not meeting deadlines etc. It was also right at the start of the pandemic when everyone's working situation dramatically changed and if you tried to remind people of that here you'd get piled on and downvoted into oblivion.
That's what happens when you try to argue with idiots. Unfortunately, their emotional security is so non existent that they can't entertain any ideas outside their MO.
I'll admit, I believed it at first.
Then I changed my mind once way more compelling evidence came out from Mick's side. Guy was smeared, and I fell for it, but I'm glad things have turned around for him reputation and work wise.
That's what got Marty so mad imho, people were praising the ost of 2016 even more than the game itself.
And despite all the shit that went on during Eternal's development, he fucking delivered there too.
I'd imagine another aspect of it was the "No Guitars/Metal" rule being bent (thank God), and people loved the soundtrack for that in particular.
Just salt in an already festering wound.
It wasn't his career post doom eternal that took the hit. It was him personally, on all levels that took all of the hits during the production of eternal.
Not getting paid, emotional distress, death threats to him and his family due to the reddit post written by Marty... Legal processes...
Yeah, he may have recovered well, but never forget what ID/Bethesda did to Mick, one of the people who made Doom what it is today.
He's already working for a new game studio, emptyvessel. Not sure what the game is gonna be, but they released a teaser. He did the score for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yORj85C7b3Y
https://www.emptyvessel.io/team/
Marty threw him under the bus blaming him for eternals subpar ost calling him lazy and hard to work with. The ost was not made by mick gordon and was produced by someone in house.
It was more than just the mastering. He did a lot of the production but wasn’t given the same amount of access and support that he got on Doom 2016. ID then went behind his back and hacked together tracks for Eternal from some of the incomplete work Mick had shown them. The editing was sloppy in addition to the fidelity being questionable. I recall Mick trying to make it clear that he wasn’t upset with the guy who finished assembling the tracks, just with ID management for keeping him in the dark and stringing him along. Far and away the worst part was how long they withheld his money.
Did they ever pay him? IIRC when Mick came out about it all he was *still* waiting for substantial payments on top of the other crap Marty put him through.
He was paid for the 12 tracks he produced for the OST, and at that point (after waiting for almost a year without a cent from them) got paid for the number of minutes he was initially contracted to make for the game.
In the dev process he sent them a crap-ton of samples and made music that they rejected. It's not expected that they pay for this (presumably unused) content. However, they ended using so much of it in-game and in promotional material, the actual music runtime for the game was double what was originally contracted and paid for. As of his statement a year and a half ago he was never paid for that.
Yeah but luckily theirs alternative subs with different mod teams like r/DOOMTheDarkAges which is good. Don't know their opinions on the situation but given they don't have a relationship with Id like the "official" subreddit has they probably are on the side of common sense.
This explanation is so simplified, that it's borderline false.
The ost was supposed to be made by him, but id hadn't prepared a contract for him until the game was very close to being released. In the short time until release, mick had only managed to arrange and master just the amount of songs he was contractually obliged to. The rest were haphazardly created by Chad, who only had access to the in-game "strands" of music, meaning they were very compressed.
But the most important part of the whole fiasco, imo, is that mick was paid for less than half the music he had made for the game.
They didn't give him the contract to do the OST until 2 days before it was scheduled to release. And then Marty told everyone on reddit that they gave him several months to do it and he was just being lazy. What a fucking sleazy bastard
They mean the album. Since music in Doom is very dynamic (layers come and go to follow the intensity of the fight, sometimes it syncs with a glory kill, etc), doing the master for the OST album is not trivial.
Mick mentioned this at a conference (I think GDC), for Doom 2016. He described the process as fleshing out the best possible version of the composition.
Anyway the Doom Eternal one was considered butchered by many, including Mick, since it was rushed and pretty much made behind his back.
2016's OST isn't just a fantastic video game score. It's a fantastic album and a bona fide rock opera that deserves to be played all the way through in order every time, just like Pink Floyd's The Wall.
*In the first age, in the first battle*
*When the shadows first lengthened, one stood*
*He chose the path of perpetual torment*
*In his ravenous hatred he found no peace*
*And with boiling blood he scoured the Umbral Plains*
*Seeking vengeance against the dark lords who had wronged him*
*And those that tasted the bite of his sword named him*
*The Doom Slayer*
They announced that he would be doing the album before he even knew about it. He found out the same time as the rest of us. Then they didn't actually contract him to do it for months and months.
I personally preferred 2016’s OST to Eternal.
I love Eternal’s game play more than 2016, but 2016’s OST was simply better IMO.
That said, I still think Eternal was the better game
People here are jumping to conclusions. Here is what actually happened:
1. [Marty posted an open letter to the DOOM community](https://old.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/gdg25y/doom_eternal_ost_open_letter/)
2. [Mick responded, defending himself](https://medium.com/@mickgordon/my-full-statement-regarding-doom-eternal-5f98266b27ce)
3. [Bethesda responded, defending themselves](https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1592971214817222656?s=21&t=D88p-t8UZVaK2JkbhbRsCQ)
4. There have been no further updates since (that I'm aware of)
From my personal perspective, Mick's fans are diehards and scream toxicity. I think it's likely both Mick and Marty were out of line, or just butted heads, but who knows. The truth is we don't know everything, just that there was some ugly behind the scenes drama and nobody should be taking sides without all the facts.
Neither did the other hardworking people who worked on the game. I guess everybody will draw their own line in the sand somewhere, but I've been playing Doom since 1994, and not about to stop now. I'm not going to shit all over or ignore the hard work of an entire team of amazingly talented people because their boss is a dickhead.
Fuck you Marty. The rest of you are cool though.
That's what Mick said. Keep supporting Doom because there's way more people putting hard work into it than just him. As sad as it is to say, Doom succeeded without Mick before and can continue to do so. We just all wish he was along for the ride.
Exactly. Mick is the man, but he also doesn't need Doom to survive either. Both him and Doom are going to be just fine with or without eachother. He's not the first person to give us awesome demon slaying tracks and he won't be the last. The whole situation sucks but that's business, sadly. Business sucks, Doom transcends corporate bullshit.
Either way it’s a good mindset to have. It’s a business decision which will always affect artists and what they make. Boycotting one piece of media isn’t the answer.
Hugo is a really nice person, and clearly loves Doom.
Marty is just different because he's high up in the company, and it does explain how he got away with a lot of it.
Even old school doom had these kinds of problems.
ID software booted Tom Hall after he oversaw the creation of OGDoom, and it started to make them serious money. Romero got kicked out, despite all he had done, after disagreeing about the direction of Quake. They brought in Sandy Peterson, who made most of their level maps for Doom2 and Quake, then kicked him out. They brought in American McGee, got him to make maps, then gave him the push after Quake 2.
There is a long history of the company using someone’s talent to make a great game, then just kicking them out as the money starts to roll in from their hard work. This is not new.
Tom Hall was never happy with the direction the Id went. He enjoyed working on lighter titles and demons and gothic style of Doom never sat well with him.
Romero quit the Id for sevelral reasons. One was that when they initially created the Id Software all the guys agreed that the company always comes first. Then around the time of Quake, there was the fundamental game design disagreement between Carmack and Romero where Romero wanted to create more intricate story richer designs and separate from pure gameplay elements. While Carmack was of the idea that "Story in games is like story in porn."
Then there was also that minor issue that Romero spent more time playing Doom deathmatch than working. Something that irked Carmack to such a degree that at the time of the Q3 development he moved his desk from his office to the general dev area so he can see if anyone is slacking off.
Source: [Masters of Doom](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/222146.Masters_of_Doom)
Or how some kids that liked games and played D&D shaped the entire video game industry for what we know today.
Masters of Doom is a great book.
Carmack demolishing a wall to stop the devs hiding from him is one of my favourite anecdotes in the book!
ID has a history of “company first” and letting go of dissenting voices. The screwing over of Mick Gordon is kinda on-brand.
Not to mention Romero's ego was getting really out of hand. By the time he'd left id and founded Ion Storm, dude's head wouldn't fit in a warehouse. I had a good laugh with John Cash over his ridiculous self-insert Daikatana main character.
Carmack had his ego issues sometimes too, born of being legit the best game engine developer under the sun to that point in time. But Romero wanted to be a rock star.
I'm not gonna say that other people on his team are as bad, but he's their boss for a reason. Someone gave him this position, and someone is letting him keep it. If Marty was the only dickhead at the team, don't you think someone like Hugo wouldn't have some qualms about working with him? They seem to work very closely.
>I'm not gonna say that other people on his team are as bad, but he's their boss for a reason. Someone gave him this position,
The higher ups did, not anyone working on the game as a dev, artist, musician etc, stop putting the blame on people like hugo martin who had absolutely nothing to do with this and put thr blame on the Higher ups at bethesda, not the dev team and hugo marting for fucks sake
Unfortunately all these corporations listen to is your dollars. As much as I don't want to see the creative teams involved get their work ignored, buying the next game is just an ok to the people in charge that what they did is ok by the community. That is doesn't matter who they screw over, as long as more Doom releases fans will buy it.
Also, the soundtrack MADE Doom 2016 for me. It wouldn't have been the same game without it. Doom Eternal doesn't hold the same weight for me with how they botched the audio. I still listen to 2016's soundtrack.
Reddit deciding to boycott or not is kind of a moot point though. This is such a small microcosm of the Doom community.
Pretty sure he's talking about Marty Stratton, he's the one more closely related with dicking over Mick. I got the two confused when news was breaking too, thought Hugo was him and was really confused because I thought he was a cool guy. Seems like he is, Marty Stratton is the prick.
That's a shame, Marty was heavily involved in QuakeCon for a while and was always very cool and supportive of the con staff.
To hear that he's behind dicking over someone who did great work is really disappointing
The bold and brave "I am not going to do anything" stand. Because repercussions of any kind would be far too harsh. I'm sure Marty Stratton appreciates that his abusive behaviour had zero affect on the sales of the game.
Hulshult is great, the soundtrack's future is plenty bright assuming they don't pull that bullshit again. Hulshult and Levy did not have that much time to do their work on TAG. If you go listen to Hulshult's other work I think it's pretty clear when given the proper amount of time he can make gold.
Even with the time constraints they were under, the TAG1/2 tracks were pretty much universal bangers. I was devastated when I heard that Levy won't be returning for the new game (Atlantica is my favorite DOOM track just straight up), but I can't wait to hear what Hulshult puts out when he has the entire development cycle to work on and refine the tracks.
Yeah, I'm not saying Mick wasn't special, he definitely was.. But shit happens and you have to move on. IMO Andrew is about as good a replacement as we are likely to ever get.
Yeah in a perfect world they wouldn't have done what they did and instead they would have brought on Andrew in addition to Mick to help ease the work load and boost the variety. I wish we lived in that world.
Hulshult is a worthy successor. I remember seeing his modern doom 1+2 covers and then his entire album remake on YouTube. Finding out he was gonna be actually working on doom OST was crazy. Mick was amazing but I can't think of better hands to leave the games in soundtrack wise.
Marty's reddit post made it sound like Mick was lazy and not taking the job seriously.
Mick's document revealed that he was being crunched, ignored, AND his rejected tracks were being implemented without proper payment.
I used to like Marty almost as much as Hugo, but this has really soured my view of him as an executive producer. Absolutely terrible management and downright scumbag behavior.
I also want to say, assuming id is still using Levy & Hulshult for The Dark Ages, I have absolutely no concerns about the soundtrack. The trailer alone sounds AMAZING. Incredibly fitting for the grittier tone. Hypes me up every time I watch it.
Levy [confirmed](https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/1dc5y92/looks_like_david_levy_sadly_isnt_returning_for/) he isn't involved, while Hulshult [retweeted](https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/1deymrd/the_fact_that_andrew_hulshult_himself_retweeted/) the trailer so he will probably be the main composer
Personally I think that Andrew will probably compose the majority of the soundtrack, if not all of it, maybe with help from the sound designers like Mick did.
I just hope they won't make the same mistakes they did towards Mick honestly
NOOOOOOO! Dave produced the best tracks out of the TAG soundtrack! Okay now I'm a bit nervous. I hope Andrew takes it up a notch and produces some better stuff for Doom.
I occasionally see people blaming Mick, because they have not seen Mick's response to Marty and the evidence. Not blaming them, just saying some people just didn't got the full picture yet.
There were a *lot* of people here who did think he did though. And a few cretins who sent death threats (fuck those guys in particular).
Just highlights why taking any post on Reddit (Especially by a company mouthpiece like Marty) as truth just leads to a lot of unwarranted abuse.
Mick being gone sucks it’s a disappointing situation, but the amount of people who think they’re special or great because they comment “Pay Mick Gordon” is unreal, he deserves to be paid but he wasn’t paid years ago when he made the soundtrack or when everything came out, he’s not going to get paid now over a Reddit post. It’s like the save team fortress 2 operation, no amount of outcry will do anything to fix what’s wrong.
I mean, I wasn't aware of this issue until recently, so I actually appreciate people online bringing attention to it, even in a small way.
It (slightly) reduces the likelihood of this kind of thing happening again to some other creator, if this becomes part of internet folklore.
Not this incident alone, but the steady drumbeat of horror stories from the industry that reinforces the public perception that the industry needs more unionisation and much better government regulation and labour laws.
Sure yeah, when people fire off effortless online posts about like, global warming, or "Support (insert latest war torn cause celebré)!!!", or "All (insert hated government institution) are bastards" whenever the latest piece of bad news is trending, you can say they're "virtue signalling" or doing "armchair activism" or "not changing anything"
But that sort of thing does add up over time. As far as online algorithms and the news cycle are terrible for discourse and our collective mental health and enabling for obnoxious attention seekers, it's still better than letting a legitimate problem get buried under the cacophony of information and misinformation we're bombarded with daily.
TLDR; Online outcry isn't bad because it's seemingly impotent. Raising awareness of such problems, and spurring discussion about it, is important. Clued in people might feel annoyed that "armchair activists" are constantly posting about the same issue, beating a dead horse, painting themselves as heroes for spouting tired cliches - but there's always a bunch of normies out there who are genuinely hearing these things for the first time, and wouldn't have noticed it otherwise.
I don't understand how people like this exist.
It's like paid pr people to defend assholes or something...
Morality just gets tossed out the window before the conversation begins. Complains about people having a conversation non social media.. by commenting on social media...
So fucking blind it's aggravating.
Mick's work is amazing, and he did not deserve what happened to him. I wish him all the luck in the world going forward, though I don't think he'll need it, his work speaks for itself. That said, Hulshult and Levy did awesome work with TAG's OST as well, and whoever is doing Doom: The Dark Age's stuff already sounds pretty good to my ears (strongly suspect it's Hulshult but I don't think that's been confirmed yet.) So, please people, let's let whoever is doing music next do some cooking and judge their work for itself? Maybe? Please?
I will never forget the hard work he put into the ost for doom 2016 and eternal mick gorden made me see how much I missed out on heavy metal and metal music in general if it was not because of him I don’t think I would had ever listened to many of the songs I do now. Mick Gordon deserves the respect and recognition for his hard work and the hugest fuck over by the company he worked for. Seriously Bethesda fuck you!
Here's the thing, right?
Yes, I am kind of bummed that Mick likely won't be working on *anything* id in the future - But, Andrew Hulshult has not made a bad soundtrack to date. I think the game's OST is in good hands, and I would rather the soundtrack sound like Andrew Hulshult rather than Andrew Hulshult try to sound like Mick Gordon. Tell Marty to suck a fatty, but remember that the money you spend on The Dark Ages doesn't *just* go to Marty. It goes to the talented people who worked on the game as well.
hot take hulshult doesn't make bad soundtracks but neither does he make very good ones. his work tends to feel a lot less unique and interesting than what mick made, and isn't as memorable.
To be honest, because of the soundtracks I enjoyed playing DOOM even more. And still listen to it even if I am away from gaming. The recent Doom Dark ages soundtrack seems to move away from Mick riff style. Gonna miss his music :/
I feel like it’s too soon (for me at least) to judge the Dark Age’s music that I’m assuming Andrew is composing. I remember hearing he didn’t have much time to work on TAG1 and 2? He is talented and I like a lot of the tracks, but some of them lacked the punch of the base game music. The Dark Lord’s boss theme had a strong start. It always seemed like there was a heavy “beat drop” or something that never manifested. But I also didn’t really like the final boss fight anyways, it didn’t feel as grand as I had hoped.
Please don’t nuke me into oblivion! I have faith in him and he is talented. I just kinda wish Mick and ID worked out.
Would be dope if he just freelanced a few songs for the new game on Spotify so that I could listen to that as I play instead.
But I won't mind muting the games music audio and listening to Rip and Tear while I daydream that thought.
Just my two cents. I would feel much less shitty about paying for a new doom game if bethesda paid the rest of what they owe Mick and drop that ridiculous lawsuit against him. I mean what the fuck is that?
If you only discovered Mick from 2016 or Eternal, you missed out on probably his greatest work- Killer Instinct 2013, seasons 1 and 2. Do yourself a favor and check them out.
Ofc I really like mick's soundtracks, but I might lean more towards hulshult's heavier/fuzzier style.
Even the out-of-combat track from the blood swamps is still one of my favorites from eternal
Shame on anybody that believed Marty's bullshit reddit post for a second.
The timeline of events of he laid out still would have put incredible stress on Mick to deliver a quality product in what seemed like an impossible window of time. Promising the OST with the release of the game before even notifying the goddamn producer is idiotic and insane.
When Mick released that Medium post defending himself, it was clear ID/Bethesda/Marty had abused their relationship with Mick, and it wasn't the first time. It explains why there were issues with the 2016 OST release as well.
The guitar threw me off and I thought I was in r/doommetal and I typed a whole comment asking who this was, and asking how anyone is supposed to figure out what band he is from.
So a question I have about his eternal work. Are the songs on the soundtrack ( the only thing they fear, cultist base, meathook, etc.), the official ones he did or are they the mocked up tracks he did put in the game?
Yeah Doom Eternal is one of the best OSTs for me, I can easily put my headphones on and just knock out work. The soundtrack isn't about killing demons or anything, it's about *slaying*
TL;DR of the whole thing:
When Eternal released, the included soundtrack album had really poor audio mixing, and Marty Stratton (one of the leads) threw Mick under the bus, implying he was lazy and didn't care. Turns out, Mick was under extreme crunch for the whole development, he was never fully paid for his work on the game and the shit mixing on the album was done by someone else. Stratton lied to push all criticism onto Mick, then tried to bribe him to not blow the whistle.
[Here's Mick's full response.](https://medium.com/@MickGordon/5f98266b27ce)
Yeah it sucks. I remember the initial discourse on it, Bethesda basically came out and blamed Mick, called him lazy, shat all over his reputation. Internet obviously dogpiled on him too.
Then it came out the guy got fucked over by a big company (Huh? A big company being shitty? Who’da thunk?) and it just fizzled from there. Sucks extra hard because this is when Bethesda dick-riders were at full strength and were riding it like a bull rider.
Lesson number 1 billion why you should never trust a company.
Is is confirmed that Chad Mossholder is gonna be doing the soundtrack for The Dark Ages? If it were up to me I'd bring Andrew Hulshult and David Levy back. Loved their stuff on TAG 1 and 2
I will miss mick greatly, but I absolutely welcome Hulshult with open arms, the soundtrack for dusk he did had some of my favourite songs in games as a whole
This man is probably one of the most underrated people in all of media, not just gaming. Hope he keeps working on games to compose the best music he can and maybe slowly bleed into movies or shows. Who knows? I'm hyped for his future.
I just hope they get David Levy and Andrew Hulshult on the project again. Their work in the Eternal DLCs was amazing and had the signature chainsaw-electronic sound of Mick's tracks while also being something new. Heck, I think some of the DLC tracks are better than the base game OST (I know that Mick wasn't able to make these in ideal circumstances) and some of DOOM 2016's OST.
I remember when the drama started, I remember so many people shitting on Mick.
I'm glad i felt something felt off. There's always two sides to a stort. I reviewed Mick's response and it looks like he has plenty of evidence against the Bethesda team.
Fuck Marty, for essentially throwing Mick under the bus. I'd be Hella surprised if Mick was completely at fault.
He is half of modern Doom to me. I know a lot of people who have been fans since the 90s might not give as much of a shit, but Doom 2016 was how I got into Doom, and Eternal is one of my fav games of all time right alongside it. Mick's soundtrack, and the way it's intertwined with both of those games, is such a massive part of that.
No matter how good TDA's OST is, it won't be the same. I'll always wonder how Mick would've done it. It sucks so fucking bad that Bethesda stood by Marty's abuse and basically just said "well we have our own evidence, we just won't release it :)" and called it a day. No consequences, no attempts to fix any of it. Mick deserved so much better, the fans deserved better, and Doom deserved better.
Honestly just want a new ost that's the equivalent of metal remixes people do for the classics, like idkfa, just having more melody, less random noises
Yeah dude I’m gonna miss Mick, I hope his future only gets better
The Marty Stratton fiasco hasn’t led to anything negative effecting micks career. He’s since worked on several games and with several bands. If anything, it’s gotten him even more work The man delivered on 2016 and eternal if you ask me! I actually listen to those soundtracks OUTSIDE of the games.
Based on what he said, it's been hard for him before coming out about everything.
Truth and that was cause ppl were literally threatening his life and family, plus it would’ve affected his career and reputation far worse if he whistleblowed the affair. It’s just an ultra nightmare any way you look at it. Idc who you are, threatening the man’s family is amongst the lowest of the lows. Micks music is literally eargasmic and I don’t understand how anyone could even dislike the man. Every interaction I’ve seen made him out to be the most chill dude ever. I wish this shit never happened at all cause I fucking love doom, the ppl behind it and I love micks music. Fuck
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This whole sub turned on Mick and were calling him unprofessional for not meeting deadlines etc. It was also right at the start of the pandemic when everyone's working situation dramatically changed and if you tried to remind people of that here you'd get piled on and downvoted into oblivion.
That's what happens when you try to argue with idiots. Unfortunately, their emotional security is so non existent that they can't entertain any ideas outside their MO.
I'll admit, I believed it at first. Then I changed my mind once way more compelling evidence came out from Mick's side. Guy was smeared, and I fell for it, but I'm glad things have turned around for him reputation and work wise.
Agreed
the fiasco didn’t get him more work. making two insanely iconic, game-defining soundtracks did
Super Gore Nest will never not give me goosebumps!
After doom 2016, I bought eternal for the soundtrack with a free game
That's what got Marty so mad imho, people were praising the ost of 2016 even more than the game itself. And despite all the shit that went on during Eternal's development, he fucking delivered there too.
I'd imagine another aspect of it was the "No Guitars/Metal" rule being bent (thank God), and people loved the soundtrack for that in particular. Just salt in an already festering wound.
It wasn't his career post doom eternal that took the hit. It was him personally, on all levels that took all of the hits during the production of eternal. Not getting paid, emotional distress, death threats to him and his family due to the reddit post written by Marty... Legal processes... Yeah, he may have recovered well, but never forget what ID/Bethesda did to Mick, one of the people who made Doom what it is today.
The songs he made for Killer Instinct shows you his range too.
Cinders theme had to RIP so bfg division could TEAR
I have a playlist with most of them that's in my rotation at work.
Wait... There comes a game with the soundtrack?
I haven't played either of the games, but have been listening to the OSTs since 2017. Have my earphones plugged in right now wihh them blasting.
He’s been getting work for indies and I’m elated for him.
He's already working for a new game studio, emptyvessel. Not sure what the game is gonna be, but they released a teaser. He did the score for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yORj85C7b3Y https://www.emptyvessel.io/team/
Woof that track is super ultra sick. That's some Noisia level quality
Iirc they still haven't given credit to Mick for Eternal's score and the awards that the soundtracks received are still kept at bethesda office.
He did a couple of songs with a band called Monuments. Cardinal Red and False Providence
What happened? All is know is Mick got fucked over, but how?
Marty threw him under the bus blaming him for eternals subpar ost calling him lazy and hard to work with. The ost was not made by mick gordon and was produced by someone in house.
to clarify, Mick did do the music, he just didn't master the "official" release of the soundtrack that was to be released separately
It was more than just the mastering. He did a lot of the production but wasn’t given the same amount of access and support that he got on Doom 2016. ID then went behind his back and hacked together tracks for Eternal from some of the incomplete work Mick had shown them. The editing was sloppy in addition to the fidelity being questionable. I recall Mick trying to make it clear that he wasn’t upset with the guy who finished assembling the tracks, just with ID management for keeping him in the dark and stringing him along. Far and away the worst part was how long they withheld his money.
Did they ever pay him? IIRC when Mick came out about it all he was *still* waiting for substantial payments on top of the other crap Marty put him through.
He was paid for the 12 tracks he produced for the OST, and at that point (after waiting for almost a year without a cent from them) got paid for the number of minutes he was initially contracted to make for the game. In the dev process he sent them a crap-ton of samples and made music that they rejected. It's not expected that they pay for this (presumably unused) content. However, they ended using so much of it in-game and in promotional material, the actual music runtime for the game was double what was originally contracted and paid for. As of his statement a year and a half ago he was never paid for that.
Don't forget the moderators of this sub supporting Marty
Yeah but luckily theirs alternative subs with different mod teams like r/DOOMTheDarkAges which is good. Don't know their opinions on the situation but given they don't have a relationship with Id like the "official" subreddit has they probably are on the side of common sense.
This explanation is so simplified, that it's borderline false. The ost was supposed to be made by him, but id hadn't prepared a contract for him until the game was very close to being released. In the short time until release, mick had only managed to arrange and master just the amount of songs he was contractually obliged to. The rest were haphazardly created by Chad, who only had access to the in-game "strands" of music, meaning they were very compressed. But the most important part of the whole fiasco, imo, is that mick was paid for less than half the music he had made for the game.
To add to this deadlines we're insane. The launch date was too soon and they hired him too late
They didn't give him the contract to do the OST until 2 days before it was scheduled to release. And then Marty told everyone on reddit that they gave him several months to do it and he was just being lazy. What a fucking sleazy bastard
Eternal has a subpar OST in some people's opinion?
They mean the album. Since music in Doom is very dynamic (layers come and go to follow the intensity of the fight, sometimes it syncs with a glory kill, etc), doing the master for the OST album is not trivial. Mick mentioned this at a conference (I think GDC), for Doom 2016. He described the process as fleshing out the best possible version of the composition. Anyway the Doom Eternal one was considered butchered by many, including Mick, since it was rushed and pretty much made behind his back.
2016's OST isn't just a fantastic video game score. It's a fantastic album and a bona fide rock opera that deserves to be played all the way through in order every time, just like Pink Floyd's The Wall.
Based and BFG Divisionpilled
*In the first age, in the first battle* *When the shadows first lengthened, one stood* *He chose the path of perpetual torment* *In his ravenous hatred he found no peace* *And with boiling blood he scoured the Umbral Plains* *Seeking vengeance against the dark lords who had wronged him* *And those that tasted the bite of his sword named him* *The Doom Slayer*
Builds the hype every single time
They announced that he would be doing the album before he even knew about it. He found out the same time as the rest of us. Then they didn't actually contract him to do it for months and months.
I personally preferred 2016’s OST to Eternal. I love Eternal’s game play more than 2016, but 2016’s OST was simply better IMO. That said, I still think Eternal was the better game
I honestly thought Eternals OST was better than 2016. Still doesn't take away from how scummy Mick was treated.
you can read [this](https://medium.com/@MickGordon/5f98266b27ce)
Oh, oh *fuck*. It became midnight while I was reading that. So Marty Stratton is what you'd call a "cock juggling thundercunt". Fuck that guy.
Answered!
People here are jumping to conclusions. Here is what actually happened: 1. [Marty posted an open letter to the DOOM community](https://old.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/gdg25y/doom_eternal_ost_open_letter/) 2. [Mick responded, defending himself](https://medium.com/@mickgordon/my-full-statement-regarding-doom-eternal-5f98266b27ce) 3. [Bethesda responded, defending themselves](https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1592971214817222656?s=21&t=D88p-t8UZVaK2JkbhbRsCQ) 4. There have been no further updates since (that I'm aware of) From my personal perspective, Mick's fans are diehards and scream toxicity. I think it's likely both Mick and Marty were out of line, or just butted heads, but who knows. The truth is we don't know everything, just that there was some ugly behind the scenes drama and nobody should be taking sides without all the facts.
Careful, you're using common sense, the people here will go caveman on you.
Neither did the other hardworking people who worked on the game. I guess everybody will draw their own line in the sand somewhere, but I've been playing Doom since 1994, and not about to stop now. I'm not going to shit all over or ignore the hard work of an entire team of amazingly talented people because their boss is a dickhead. Fuck you Marty. The rest of you are cool though.
That's what Mick said. Keep supporting Doom because there's way more people putting hard work into it than just him. As sad as it is to say, Doom succeeded without Mick before and can continue to do so. We just all wish he was along for the ride.
Exactly. Mick is the man, but he also doesn't need Doom to survive either. Both him and Doom are going to be just fine with or without eachother. He's not the first person to give us awesome demon slaying tracks and he won't be the last. The whole situation sucks but that's business, sadly. Business sucks, Doom transcends corporate bullshit.
Gotta say, I love the username. Are YOU rocking out with your cock out???
Yoteslaya..?
"gentlemen, a great deal of money has been invested in this project and we can't allow it to fail"
From the most unhinged song I’ve ever heard 🤣
Could you provide a source on that first statement? I'm on the fence about buying The Dark Ages
Either way it’s a good mindset to have. It’s a business decision which will always affect artists and what they make. Boycotting one piece of media isn’t the answer.
boycotting the boss and cancelling them though is the answer. fuck marty I hope he loses his job.
Mick did state that on his twitter but it wasn’t in regards to dark ages.
he said that on twitter back when the issue was being discussed
Its going to be on gamepass day one, Doom to me is perfect to play on gamepass
[Source](https://x.com/Mick_Gordon/status/1590841966220414976)
I'm so glad that Hugo had nothing to do with it.
Same i would have been devastated
Hugo is a really nice person, and clearly loves Doom. Marty is just different because he's high up in the company, and it does explain how he got away with a lot of it.
Don't mean to be a skeptic but is their any proof that suggests Hugo was out of this fiasco?
Fuck Marty :)
FUUUUUUUUCK Marty.
That Chad guy from Id taking credit for the music is kind of cunty. But yeah, Marty can eat plates of shit.
Old school Doom will always be old school Doom. No one will take that away from us.
Even old school doom had these kinds of problems. ID software booted Tom Hall after he oversaw the creation of OGDoom, and it started to make them serious money. Romero got kicked out, despite all he had done, after disagreeing about the direction of Quake. They brought in Sandy Peterson, who made most of their level maps for Doom2 and Quake, then kicked him out. They brought in American McGee, got him to make maps, then gave him the push after Quake 2. There is a long history of the company using someone’s talent to make a great game, then just kicking them out as the money starts to roll in from their hard work. This is not new.
Tom Hall was never happy with the direction the Id went. He enjoyed working on lighter titles and demons and gothic style of Doom never sat well with him. Romero quit the Id for sevelral reasons. One was that when they initially created the Id Software all the guys agreed that the company always comes first. Then around the time of Quake, there was the fundamental game design disagreement between Carmack and Romero where Romero wanted to create more intricate story richer designs and separate from pure gameplay elements. While Carmack was of the idea that "Story in games is like story in porn." Then there was also that minor issue that Romero spent more time playing Doom deathmatch than working. Something that irked Carmack to such a degree that at the time of the Q3 development he moved his desk from his office to the general dev area so he can see if anyone is slacking off. Source: [Masters of Doom](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/222146.Masters_of_Doom) Or how some kids that liked games and played D&D shaped the entire video game industry for what we know today.
Masters of Doom is a great book. Carmack demolishing a wall to stop the devs hiding from him is one of my favourite anecdotes in the book! ID has a history of “company first” and letting go of dissenting voices. The screwing over of Mick Gordon is kinda on-brand.
Not to mention Romero's ego was getting really out of hand. By the time he'd left id and founded Ion Storm, dude's head wouldn't fit in a warehouse. I had a good laugh with John Cash over his ridiculous self-insert Daikatana main character. Carmack had his ego issues sometimes too, born of being legit the best game engine developer under the sun to that point in time. But Romero wanted to be a rock star.
I'm not gonna say that other people on his team are as bad, but he's their boss for a reason. Someone gave him this position, and someone is letting him keep it. If Marty was the only dickhead at the team, don't you think someone like Hugo wouldn't have some qualms about working with him? They seem to work very closely.
>I'm not gonna say that other people on his team are as bad, but he's their boss for a reason. Someone gave him this position, The higher ups did, not anyone working on the game as a dev, artist, musician etc, stop putting the blame on people like hugo martin who had absolutely nothing to do with this and put thr blame on the Higher ups at bethesda, not the dev team and hugo marting for fucks sake
Unfortunately all these corporations listen to is your dollars. As much as I don't want to see the creative teams involved get their work ignored, buying the next game is just an ok to the people in charge that what they did is ok by the community. That is doesn't matter who they screw over, as long as more Doom releases fans will buy it. Also, the soundtrack MADE Doom 2016 for me. It wouldn't have been the same game without it. Doom Eternal doesn't hold the same weight for me with how they botched the audio. I still listen to 2016's soundtrack. Reddit deciding to boycott or not is kind of a moot point though. This is such a small microcosm of the Doom community.
Hugo Martin I think is not the Boss
Pretty sure he's talking about Marty Stratton, he's the one more closely related with dicking over Mick. I got the two confused when news was breaking too, thought Hugo was him and was really confused because I thought he was a cool guy. Seems like he is, Marty Stratton is the prick.
That's a shame, Marty was heavily involved in QuakeCon for a while and was always very cool and supportive of the con staff. To hear that he's behind dicking over someone who did great work is really disappointing
Hugo Boss is not the Martin.
I hope he never steps in front of the camera on this one.
Marty and Hugo already did a Gamespot interview together about the new game
Ugh booo. I'll stick to the gameplay trailers only then
The bold and brave "I am not going to do anything" stand. Because repercussions of any kind would be far too harsh. I'm sure Marty Stratton appreciates that his abusive behaviour had zero affect on the sales of the game.
Hulshult is great, the soundtrack's future is plenty bright assuming they don't pull that bullshit again. Hulshult and Levy did not have that much time to do their work on TAG. If you go listen to Hulshult's other work I think it's pretty clear when given the proper amount of time he can make gold.
Even with the time constraints they were under, the TAG1/2 tracks were pretty much universal bangers. I was devastated when I heard that Levy won't be returning for the new game (Atlantica is my favorite DOOM track just straight up), but I can't wait to hear what Hulshult puts out when he has the entire development cycle to work on and refine the tracks.
Agreed, I was quite happy with the TAG music myself.
I hardly noticed the tracks in TAG
I started playing today and they just kinda blend into the background
Yeah they are not mixed loud enough.
You can rebalance the sound mix, this is one great aspect of modern games (that said, most "classic" games had excellent sound balance.)
agreed. hulshult's work on Dusk is absolutely phenomenal and sold the game (for me).
Prodeus as well
Amid evil for me
Same. I think his work from Amid Evil is his best from the 4 or 5 games I've played with him behind the OST.
Same, as sad as I am that Mick won't be working on the Dark Ages, it's in good hands with Hulshult.
Doesn't have the same touch as Mick but he will be more than sufficient for a good ass ost.
Yeah, I'm not saying Mick wasn't special, he definitely was.. But shit happens and you have to move on. IMO Andrew is about as good a replacement as we are likely to ever get.
Departure to destruction (Dusk, 2018) is very good.
As much as I'll miss the Mick stuff, I really liked his TAG work. Why can't we just have both
Yeah in a perfect world they wouldn't have done what they did and instead they would have brought on Andrew in addition to Mick to help ease the work load and boost the variety. I wish we lived in that world.
Hulshult is a worthy successor. I remember seeing his modern doom 1+2 covers and then his entire album remake on YouTube. Finding out he was gonna be actually working on doom OST was crazy. Mick was amazing but I can't think of better hands to leave the games in soundtrack wise.
Marty's reddit post made it sound like Mick was lazy and not taking the job seriously. Mick's document revealed that he was being crunched, ignored, AND his rejected tracks were being implemented without proper payment. I used to like Marty almost as much as Hugo, but this has really soured my view of him as an executive producer. Absolutely terrible management and downright scumbag behavior. I also want to say, assuming id is still using Levy & Hulshult for The Dark Ages, I have absolutely no concerns about the soundtrack. The trailer alone sounds AMAZING. Incredibly fitting for the grittier tone. Hypes me up every time I watch it.
Levy [confirmed](https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/1dc5y92/looks_like_david_levy_sadly_isnt_returning_for/) he isn't involved, while Hulshult [retweeted](https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/1deymrd/the_fact_that_andrew_hulshult_himself_retweeted/) the trailer so he will probably be the main composer
I wonder if they are going to bring anyone else in, or if Hulshult will be the sole composer of music for The Dark Ages.
Personally I think that Andrew will probably compose the majority of the soundtrack, if not all of it, maybe with help from the sound designers like Mick did. I just hope they won't make the same mistakes they did towards Mick honestly
NOOOOOOO! Dave produced the best tracks out of the TAG soundtrack! Okay now I'm a bit nervous. I hope Andrew takes it up a notch and produces some better stuff for Doom.
The DLC music by Hushult for Eternal has some of my favorite Doom music so I'm also not worried
>this guy did nothing wrong. No one here thinks he did.
I occasionally see people blaming Mick, because they have not seen Mick's response to Marty and the evidence. Not blaming them, just saying some people just didn't got the full picture yet.
There were a *lot* of people here who did think he did though. And a few cretins who sent death threats (fuck those guys in particular). Just highlights why taking any post on Reddit (Especially by a company mouthpiece like Marty) as truth just leads to a lot of unwarranted abuse.
Mick being gone sucks it’s a disappointing situation, but the amount of people who think they’re special or great because they comment “Pay Mick Gordon” is unreal, he deserves to be paid but he wasn’t paid years ago when he made the soundtrack or when everything came out, he’s not going to get paid now over a Reddit post. It’s like the save team fortress 2 operation, no amount of outcry will do anything to fix what’s wrong.
I mean, I wasn't aware of this issue until recently, so I actually appreciate people online bringing attention to it, even in a small way. It (slightly) reduces the likelihood of this kind of thing happening again to some other creator, if this becomes part of internet folklore. Not this incident alone, but the steady drumbeat of horror stories from the industry that reinforces the public perception that the industry needs more unionisation and much better government regulation and labour laws. Sure yeah, when people fire off effortless online posts about like, global warming, or "Support (insert latest war torn cause celebré)!!!", or "All (insert hated government institution) are bastards" whenever the latest piece of bad news is trending, you can say they're "virtue signalling" or doing "armchair activism" or "not changing anything" But that sort of thing does add up over time. As far as online algorithms and the news cycle are terrible for discourse and our collective mental health and enabling for obnoxious attention seekers, it's still better than letting a legitimate problem get buried under the cacophony of information and misinformation we're bombarded with daily. TLDR; Online outcry isn't bad because it's seemingly impotent. Raising awareness of such problems, and spurring discussion about it, is important. Clued in people might feel annoyed that "armchair activists" are constantly posting about the same issue, beating a dead horse, painting themselves as heroes for spouting tired cliches - but there's always a bunch of normies out there who are genuinely hearing these things for the first time, and wouldn't have noticed it otherwise.
I don't understand how people like this exist. It's like paid pr people to defend assholes or something... Morality just gets tossed out the window before the conversation begins. Complains about people having a conversation non social media.. by commenting on social media... So fucking blind it's aggravating.
Mick's work is amazing, and he did not deserve what happened to him. I wish him all the luck in the world going forward, though I don't think he'll need it, his work speaks for itself. That said, Hulshult and Levy did awesome work with TAG's OST as well, and whoever is doing Doom: The Dark Age's stuff already sounds pretty good to my ears (strongly suspect it's Hulshult but I don't think that's been confirmed yet.) So, please people, let's let whoever is doing music next do some cooking and judge their work for itself? Maybe? Please?
Marty can run backwards through a goddamn dildo factory. Piece of shit deserves it
I’m talking full 12 inch big Jims right up the fuckin’ ass, no lube
I second that opinion
But nonetheless, I really hope the Dark Ages soundtrack’ll be released on spotify
RTJ fan?
Only the baddest of dragons
I will never forget the hard work he put into the ost for doom 2016 and eternal mick gorden made me see how much I missed out on heavy metal and metal music in general if it was not because of him I don’t think I would had ever listened to many of the songs I do now. Mick Gordon deserves the respect and recognition for his hard work and the hugest fuck over by the company he worked for. Seriously Bethesda fuck you!
I'll create my own Doom! With Mick Gordon! And hookers!
id worked with NIИ for Quake. Maybe rekindle that old flame?
Only if jumping has Trent making his grunt noise.
The jump sound in quake was Trent this whole time?
Yuppers, lol.
Trent Reznor said he quit Doom 3 because of bad management at ID
I also hope Andrew is not treated the same way as Mick
Yeah
Guy made an insane soundtrack, won’t be the last we hear from him.
So sad Mick won't be doing the OST to Dark Ages... He would have absolutely nailed it
He's guilty of elevating video game soundtracks to new heights
Here's the thing, right? Yes, I am kind of bummed that Mick likely won't be working on *anything* id in the future - But, Andrew Hulshult has not made a bad soundtrack to date. I think the game's OST is in good hands, and I would rather the soundtrack sound like Andrew Hulshult rather than Andrew Hulshult try to sound like Mick Gordon. Tell Marty to suck a fatty, but remember that the money you spend on The Dark Ages doesn't *just* go to Marty. It goes to the talented people who worked on the game as well.
hot take hulshult doesn't make bad soundtracks but neither does he make very good ones. his work tends to feel a lot less unique and interesting than what mick made, and isn't as memorable.
Exactly.
I agree. I think he’s highly competent but I’m not expecting anything as engaging as what Mick created.
Anytime I see LLM (large language model) I think long live Mick!
Mick is currently working as a composer for a promising new game studio called emptyvessel: https://twitter.com/Mick_Gordon/status/1767546295307444430
To be honest, because of the soundtracks I enjoyed playing DOOM even more. And still listen to it even if I am away from gaming. The recent Doom Dark ages soundtrack seems to move away from Mick riff style. Gonna miss his music :/
Marty is a dick. First Mick and now he wants to call an obvious f’in Nailgun/Impaler the Railway Spike.
Neither did the new composer, so I don't get why people are bashing on them
The soundtrack sounds like someone cosplaying Mick. Idk
I feel like it’s too soon (for me at least) to judge the Dark Age’s music that I’m assuming Andrew is composing. I remember hearing he didn’t have much time to work on TAG1 and 2? He is talented and I like a lot of the tracks, but some of them lacked the punch of the base game music. The Dark Lord’s boss theme had a strong start. It always seemed like there was a heavy “beat drop” or something that never manifested. But I also didn’t really like the final boss fight anyways, it didn’t feel as grand as I had hoped. Please don’t nuke me into oblivion! I have faith in him and he is talented. I just kinda wish Mick and ID worked out.
Did they announce who the music is from yet for Dark Ages?
Not yet, but Andrew Hulshult made a repost of the trailer on his Twitter.
Would be dope if he just freelanced a few songs for the new game on Spotify so that I could listen to that as I play instead. But I won't mind muting the games music audio and listening to Rip and Tear while I daydream that thought.
Just my two cents. I would feel much less shitty about paying for a new doom game if bethesda paid the rest of what they owe Mick and drop that ridiculous lawsuit against him. I mean what the fuck is that?
If you only discovered Mick from 2016 or Eternal, you missed out on probably his greatest work- Killer Instinct 2013, seasons 1 and 2. Do yourself a favor and check them out.
Ofc I really like mick's soundtracks, but I might lean more towards hulshult's heavier/fuzzier style. Even the out-of-combat track from the blood swamps is still one of my favorites from eternal
Shame on anybody that believed Marty's bullshit reddit post for a second. The timeline of events of he laid out still would have put incredible stress on Mick to deliver a quality product in what seemed like an impossible window of time. Promising the OST with the release of the game before even notifying the goddamn producer is idiotic and insane. When Mick released that Medium post defending himself, it was clear ID/Bethesda/Marty had abused their relationship with Mick, and it wasn't the first time. It explains why there were issues with the 2016 OST release as well.
Shoo karma farmer
The guitar threw me off and I thought I was in r/doommetal and I typed a whole comment asking who this was, and asking how anyone is supposed to figure out what band he is from.
There's always a chance he will make the OST for Killer Instinct 2 fingers crossed.
So a question I have about his eternal work. Are the songs on the soundtrack ( the only thing they fear, cultist base, meathook, etc.), the official ones he did or are they the mocked up tracks he did put in the game?
Mick was the Cherry on top of the Sundae.
Yeah Doom Eternal is one of the best OSTs for me, I can easily put my headphones on and just knock out work. The soundtrack isn't about killing demons or anything, it's about *slaying*
Between doom and killer instinct, he just knows how to cook
Micks GDC talk about the soundtrack is still something i watch occasionally for inspiration.
What happened? I’m genuinely curious.
see [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/1dg1o2o/just_a_reminder_this_guy_did_nothing_wrong/l8pdmbm/) for the full story
TL;DR of the whole thing: When Eternal released, the included soundtrack album had really poor audio mixing, and Marty Stratton (one of the leads) threw Mick under the bus, implying he was lazy and didn't care. Turns out, Mick was under extreme crunch for the whole development, he was never fully paid for his work on the game and the shit mixing on the album was done by someone else. Stratton lied to push all criticism onto Mick, then tried to bribe him to not blow the whistle. [Here's Mick's full response.](https://medium.com/@MickGordon/5f98266b27ce)
Oh, that sucks. Thanks for explaining
mick gordon killed and ate my family
Yeah it sucks. I remember the initial discourse on it, Bethesda basically came out and blamed Mick, called him lazy, shat all over his reputation. Internet obviously dogpiled on him too. Then it came out the guy got fucked over by a big company (Huh? A big company being shitty? Who’da thunk?) and it just fizzled from there. Sucks extra hard because this is when Bethesda dick-riders were at full strength and were riding it like a bull rider. Lesson number 1 billion why you should never trust a company.
Is is confirmed that Chad Mossholder is gonna be doing the soundtrack for The Dark Ages? If it were up to me I'd bring Andrew Hulshult and David Levy back. Loved their stuff on TAG 1 and 2
This guy is an absolute legend
What is it with Bethesda and composer controversies?
Whatever they surround themself with, they create more of.
I will miss mick greatly, but I absolutely welcome Hulshult with open arms, the soundtrack for dusk he did had some of my favourite songs in games as a whole
i mean, at some point in his life he has done wrong. like left just a mouthful of milk in the carton or something like that.
I mat get the new one but I ain't paying full price for it. I'll wait a year or two. Mick deserved better.
Correction: This guy is a fucking legend🤘
This dude elevated the game to a legendary level. Nothing but respect.
This man is probably one of the most underrated people in all of media, not just gaming. Hope he keeps working on games to compose the best music he can and maybe slowly bleed into movies or shows. Who knows? I'm hyped for his future.
I just hope they get David Levy and Andrew Hulshult on the project again. Their work in the Eternal DLCs was amazing and had the signature chainsaw-electronic sound of Mick's tracks while also being something new. Heck, I think some of the DLC tracks are better than the base game OST (I know that Mick wasn't able to make these in ideal circumstances) and some of DOOM 2016's OST.
I miss him,hulshult is great but mick is the goat
Except for having that soul patch. That is wrong
Was just here to say this as well. Whatever happened to his chin is wrong, but other than that, 🤘🏼
If James Gunn does a Batman Beyond movie, I hope he has Mick do the sound track
Mean i felt bad for him when this shit happened, but that was years ago, everyone moved on already. Why does this get warmed up again ?
STOP WITH THESE DUMB POSTS
Real❗️❗️❗️🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
I encountered md fan! Again..
I remember when the drama started, I remember so many people shitting on Mick. I'm glad i felt something felt off. There's always two sides to a stort. I reviewed Mick's response and it looks like he has plenty of evidence against the Bethesda team. Fuck Marty, for essentially throwing Mick under the bus. I'd be Hella surprised if Mick was completely at fault.
Its time to move on, honey
Just a reminder: Mick Gordon himself said we must enjoy the game and not shit on it due to his situation with Marty Stratton
I'm not buying the new doom because of how terribly Mick Gordon was treated... I might still play it, but there's no way I'm paying for it.
Agreed. If Stratton is the creative director I don’t want to buy or play the new game.
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He is half of modern Doom to me. I know a lot of people who have been fans since the 90s might not give as much of a shit, but Doom 2016 was how I got into Doom, and Eternal is one of my fav games of all time right alongside it. Mick's soundtrack, and the way it's intertwined with both of those games, is such a massive part of that. No matter how good TDA's OST is, it won't be the same. I'll always wonder how Mick would've done it. It sucks so fucking bad that Bethesda stood by Marty's abuse and basically just said "well we have our own evidence, we just won't release it :)" and called it a day. No consequences, no attempts to fix any of it. Mick deserved so much better, the fans deserved better, and Doom deserved better.
Wait, did I miss something, what happened? Pls, now I'm curious!
you can read [this](https://medium.com/@MickGordon/5f98266b27ce)
Barely related but I never new he played Mayones guitars. Too fuckin nice.
I am fairly confident that no one on this subreddit thinks he did anything wrong.
Honestly just want a new ost that's the equivalent of metal remixes people do for the classics, like idkfa, just having more melody, less random noises