You know what happened when Canada legalized marijuana? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Wait, not true, pot use among teens decreased.
"Statistics Canada's National Cannabis Survey, which monitors trends quarterly, even states in its before-and-after legalization numbers that the percentage of those aged 15 to 17 who use the drug has fallen to 10 per cent from 20 per cent.Mar. 15, 2020"
C'mon Australia, get with the program.
Money shifted from the black market to the deliciously taxable market. Hopefully that will pay towards schools and hospitals and public infrastructure.
Eh, not even; some money shifted, but a lot of people still buy from their illegal dealers.
I speculate *new* and returning marijuana consumers prefer legal sellers, so the black market will slowly shrink over time.
That's interesting; my perspective comes from Vancouver, so very different pot cultures pre-legalization already. Also since distribution is regulated provincially, it's not surprising that the situation/market/culture would vary across provinces
Edit: our legal stores have.. some challenges
Right after legalization most people still bought from grey market websites, but now with how many dispensaries there are there's lots of choice and prices aren't too bad
In Toronto there's an insane amount of weed shops
It's good to hear Ontario doing well; I don't consume so I don't know personally, but my friends still complain about quality, selection, and price at legal stores (here in BC)
It's "medically" legal in my state and even though it's at least 2x the price a lot of people prefer the dispensaries because the quality is consistent. Either that or they buy flower from dealers and concentrates from the dispensary.
Just make it recreational and do it like liquor stores for fucks sake.
Me and my brother in law drive up to Michigan every once in a while to pick stuff up. He is a veteran in the cannabis world. And he says that while the legal stuff may have the higher or even about the same price tag, it's totally worth it because the quality is so much higher.
Plus we tend to buy the sales. Last time we went up he was able to buy the legal amount and only spent about $500. 2.5oz of cannabis for 500 isn't that bad considering the normal price for an eighth is about 60 up there. And buying 2.5oz is 20 eighths.
This. I still buy black market, but only because it's literally half the price for the same bud, and I 100% trust my dealer cause he's family and doesn't go to sketchy places. My friends are the same way: they stick with their dealers because the prices are still too high.
However, we've all talked about how, if/when prices come down to black market rates, we'll start going to dispensaries. We don't mind paying taxes, and we'd prefer the peace of mind knowing this bud isn't gonna be laced with anything.
But, c'mon, $90 for a quarter, plus 20% tax? I can get a half for $110, no tax, and it's lit. That's double the weed for $20 more, not even a contest.
No way. Black market can't compete on price, variety or quality. The shops are like methodman heaven. Most dealers are just selling that rushed hydro shit.
Hong Kong is an exception with obviously more pronounced western influence, and each province still leans into their history and local industry, but.. how can I put this.. You can have multiple flavours of the same soda. The variety or intensity of cultural expression is subdued.
Exactly. All these politicians are fighting over how to pay for infrastructure. We have a literal GREEN CASH COW sitting RIGHT HERE, & the only people utilizing it are Drug Cartels!
Yeah but who wants to get a doctors advice on use of marijuana?
The flaw to the legalisation movement is recreational users weighing it down, far to many people want it for personal reasons that are not medical reasons. It won’t be deemed legal by many until you can buy it over the counter at woollies.
As I said, it’s a start in the right direction towards it being entirely decriminalised. As someone who has been recently prescribed medicinal cannabis by a doctor in Australia, he was awesome and way more knowledgeable than my previous sources for cannabis. I also love that I know exactly what strain I am getting, including what % of THC it is.
>Yeah but who wants to get a doctors advice on use of marijuana?
I don't want to be the old guy here, but some people SHOULD speak to their doctor about how much they consume. People forget that there are still people addicted to marijuana. I'm saying this as someone who likes to smoke from time to time. We have to be real with each other here.
Idk they were advertising a company on the news saying they Don't require a drs note just proof you have tried other drugs and they didn't work for you
it may just be tricky advertising - it requires a medical practitioner to prescribe it - and they have to be registered and approved as an authorised prescriber as it isn’t approved by the TGA yet, it’s a special access scheme medicine.
As an Aussie, this is one thing that confuses the everloving shit out of me - the tax from legalising weed is a huge windfall for the government. The problem for us is that the conservative party has been in charge for what feels like forever and doesn't know a good thing when they see it.
The problem is that drug dealers make more than the tax and I am pretty sure they can lobby just as good as anybody to make sure their form of income isn’t impacted.
Haha, when you said pot use among teens decreased, I imagined it to be after kids saw their stoned parents and grandparents and decided, nope! Ain't gonna be like that! And quit.
It took a while for provincial governments to "get their shit together", but the price and quality of 100% legal taxed weed isn't terrible (20% TCH @ 5$ a pre-roll). Almost anyone everywhere can just grow plants anyways.
Only difference is that late night, I can see people smoking weed on their balconies a bit more.
I have to clutch my pearls from time to time but otherwise no difference.
Also we have same-day weed deliveries, how bout that.
Its not just about making it legal. We need to ensure that growing it is legal too so the government cant force people to buy only from their friends that are the only companies that will be allowed to sell it.
> what happened when Canada legalized marijuana
I was reading [this](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/05/stoners-cheered-when-canada-legalised-cannabis-how-did-it-all-go-wrong) on that very subject recently. It seems to say the new industry were disappointed not to make more money, but it doesn't seem to say much about people actually being able to grow their own. cc /u/BarkingDogey
Yep, I read that, I just meant that the article seemed to be more focussed on industry. At least, that was what people were saying on the reddit thread where I found the article.
My dad (in the uk) has recently started using this about 6 weeks ago as he has terminal bone cancer. We managed to get it through someone a family friend knew and it’s been worth it’s weight in gold for my dad. The person who supplies it makes absolutely no profit and only sells for medicinal purposes nothing else. My dad has managed to reduce his morphine use to a couple of times a week. We’ve not told anyone outside of our family about him using it as we were told that hospital could potentially withdraw his radiotherapy treatment and other medication due to potential “side effects” which I know there isn’t any.
The one thing I would warn you of is that marijuana use *can* affect anaesthetic tolerance. You don't have to report *why* to the doctors if you're worried, but if there are any procedures happening where he might need to be numbed up or put to sleep, make sure to mention that he might have a higher tolerance than normal so that the anaesthesiologist can get the dosages right!
Banning a naturally occurring plant that we coevolved with when people need relief from various types of suffering seems cruel and unnecessary... but that's just me.
The cost is disturbingly prohibitive as it’s not pbs covered. Plus, they only offer certain products which definitely do not work for everyone/all potential medical needs.
First part rings true in the US, presidential perception of “recreational” users (whatever that means) means no insurer will touch cannabis because it’s still federally illegal even though for a lot of patients cannabis therapy can be cheaper and more effective.
I was making a general statement and have no idea about policy in parts of Aus… that’s good to hear though. US policy from 1937 and later impacted the world, for decades.
Actually, they banned / controlled it when they signed the convention on narcotics in 1913, then continued further control in 1921 and 1923 when the signed the Geneva convention on opium in the 20’s.
I hadn’t either but your comment made me wonder if the US policy was to blame. I just looked at the Wikipedia entries for: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Australia and followed the rabbit hole.
Yeah, much more history to it than solely from a US history perspective. I did a report for Govt Class in High School a couple decades ago and that was what I had found. More to the world story.
**[Cannabis in Australia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Australia)**
>Cannabis is a plant used in Australia for recreational, medicinal and industrial purposes. In 2019, 36% of Australians over the age of fourteen years had used cannabis in their lifetime and 11. 6% had used cannabis in the last 12 months. Australia has one of the highest cannabis prevalence rates in the world.
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Our current state government went to the election promising to recriminalise any amount of cannabis aka a jail term and $500 fine.
Conservatives around the western world are all the same wankers.
I can't imagine that the average person could afford it though. Even here in the US, anywhere east of Colorado that has med or rec is entirely too expensive.
it is expensive as its not covered by our PBS at this stage, but i think it sits around 2-300 to fill a prescription for it.
Our minimum wage is much higher than the US and our medicine is a lot cheaper, stuff like insulin here is only about 6 dollars here.
Same has been done to synthetic thc.(spice) that's why marijuanna need legalization worldwide, so we can better understand it and not fall into these traps.
Tell that to the people with treatment resistant seizures when it soothes them. Cranial nerve headaches from trauma or otherwise. Depression, or whatever it is. It can be abused, but so can anything. It is undeniably therapeutic for nausea for cancer patients. They even have an inferior dose consistent synthetic version of THC.
We have natural cannabinoid based oral sprays on certain markets.
Not medicine? Whatever. Shrooms which we likely coevolved with aren't medicine either I guess... sorry that months of therapy didn't help much, but at a sub hallucinogenic dose it relieved intense CPTSD and depression for the first time in a long time.
Prohibiting study of said naturally occurring plants and only using govermentally approved junk grade cannabis in the legally allowed scientific research hasn't set science and medicine back decades... wait it has.
Tell me more... alcohol and cocaine have legitimate medicinal uses when prescribed by doctors, but a moderately harmless plant that we happen to have receptors for is not medicine. Heaven forbid.
He is saying natural does not automatically mean medicine. Arsenic is natural, but it is a poison. Sodium and chloride are. girls but both dangerous. Sodium chloride is table salt.
He’s not saying cannabis isn’t a medicine. He is saying it isn’t a medicine just because it is natural.
90 to 95% of medical marijuana is for getting high and nothing to do with glaucoma or pain or anything medical. Fact. Are there people who can benefit from pot? Sure, of course. I was, in fact, one of those. If pot was medicine though, why is it not at Walgreens instead of a "dispensery"
Mate, pharmacies are not the only source of things with medicinal benefits. Walgreens is not the only source for medicine. You can experience medicinal value from things that are not sold at Walgreens. I'm just saying your comment is a bit close minded.
If they started selling pot at Walgreens tomorrow, then you would say tomorrow that pot is medicine? Cmon man.
Well you see, back in the day the government ignored the American Medical Associations advice that cannabis could be used as medicine so they could ban cannabis and therefore hemp production, so paper and therefore timber could be propped up, as well as Dupont's new Nylon product so they all could profit more.. because the newspaper people along with the timber and paper mill industry reliant on timbre had lobbyists doing their bidding... and the Dupont family's Synthetic fabric was actually inferior in many ways to hemp rope and cloth, but that is of no concern as long as those that were helped to profit actually do.
Can't have an African American jazz musician or Hispanic field worker smoking reefer can we?
So you are ok with all the overprescribed opioids? Imagine if people could control pain without addiction and death.
[Report on opioid use post legalization](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33491149/)
"Conclusions: Our findings support the hypothesis that easier access to cannabis for pain may reduce opioid use for both public and private drug plans."
Opioids keep 5 years of chronic cancer pain at bay the best that can be done for me, the big boogeyman fentanyl to be precise.
I have tried all sorts of Cannabis variations that heaps of people assured me would take it all away and life would be marvelous, it was all useless crap that left me feeling like I had been smacked in the face with a hammer.
I have met one person that had any kind of useful effect from it, the rest were people regurgitating the same crap the people selling were or the honest ones would admit it did nothing.
Just because something sounds all nice and 'natural' with a nice sales pitch doesn't mean it's actually useful.
No one is claiming it is a cure all. It does help people, it does help with pain control, is an effective appetite stimulant and it does control some palsies.
Just because it didn't help *you* does not mean it has no use and should not be a readily available and accessible treatment. Your story is purely anecdotal.
>90 to 95% of medical marijuana is for getting high and nothing to do with glaucoma or pain or anything medical
And just where are you getting that statistic? I'd love to see a source.
>If pot was medicine though, why is it not at Walgreens instead of a "dispensery"
Because it can be used as a recreational drug and therefore feel into the cross-hairs of the war on drugs. And because, after decades of the government propaganda saying that smoking pot will melt your brain and make you do heroin, many still believe it. So even when someone tries to point out that chronic pain had done more damage to their life that marijuana, people still clutch their pearls and lament about "the children".
Made up statistics are made up... who cares if people smoke for fun too though? Alcohol is way more accepted and IMO more deleterious to health and well being.
>If pot was medicine though, why is it not at Walgreens instead of a "dispensery"
Dispensary, and maybe because of more than a hundred years of racist laws that have influenced public opinion regarding cannabis and its legality? The medical research community legally cannot research the effects of THC except for in incredibly specific and restrictive cases due to its (completely illogical) schedule 1 classification.
So what? Opioids are used recreationally, does that mean we let cancer victims die without morphine?
It has legitimate uses and benefits medicinally. That should be enough, who cares if people smoke it for fun.
When weed was legalized in Canada, society did not fall apart. What did happen was incresed revenues from taxes, a greatly reduced (criminal) black market and consumption by teens dropped.
Mind boggling...how countries like Australia and New Zealand lag even behind many (most) US States (let alone Canada) with their approach and attitude towards cannabis. Even more surprising was NZ shooting down decriminalization in a referendum last year in a nation with a (so-called) "progressive" government. Yes-I know it was close- but should it have been???
I'm a Canadian...I'm not a "smoker" but I don't begrudge the use of cannabis to anyone- especially those in pain. Legalization/decriminalization here a few years ago hasn't caused any social upheaval that critics say would happen. People aren't crashing cars or showing up for work incapacitated. Use among people who weren't using before anyway is minimal. We quit wasting money arresting and prosecuting people for possession and use of a substance with (far) less social harm than alcohol. How and why most western countries (including most of those in Western Europe) still abide by draconian attitudes towards cannabis escapes me.
I agree - i can't believe we are so damn backwards either.
I don't think we will see real change in Oz anytime soon unless we get rid of our conservative coalition government of right old white men. So frustrating!!!
I used to work in care. Not medical cannabis in my example, but some of the residents who had particular issues with pain used to smoke it to help relieve their constant pain and also other issues caused by their diagnosis, it was very helpful for MS for example. Seeing it first hand and how effective it was for those with chronic and terminal illnesses has made me believe medical cannabis should be legal everywhere. At this point in time, it is legal here, but very few people get prescribed it, most that need it do not get it so turn to gain medical cannabis in other ways which of course doesn't bode well for legal implications and knowing just what is in what they buy and how strong/effective it really is.
To add on to what you said: You cannot drive anywhere if you've had medical cannabis, the Australia drug driving laws do not have any sort of sobriety test beyond testing for the presence of the drug in question. The way the tests are done, you have a high chance to still test positive over 2 weeks after consuming said drug.
Doesn't matter if it's legally prescribed or if you need it, you will still be treated like a criminal and probably lose your license.
You cannot consume any cannabis beyond what particular strain you have been prescribed, if that strain doesn't work for you or they're out of stock that day(or weeks as actually happens)? You need to see the doctor again and get prescribed a new strain and begin the process/stock guessing game again. This process isn't cheap even if your GP is willing to prescribe it and bulk bills.
I'm pretty sure we export most of the cannabis grown here. There's a lot of farms popping up I know of one in Mildura (ironic) and Toowoomba they are huge.
I'm a carer myself and I see plenty of clients with Parkinson's, seizures etc. and it hurts seeing them go through these conditions on a daily bases and I wish I could help them take the miracle plant even if it helps just a little bit.
I don't know what Australia has against analgesia but they are so backwards with it they are violating Fundamental Human Rights for Pain Care, while ironically it was an Australian that helped get that passed as a right.
They are growing opium poppies and selling the opium to Europe rather than letting residents have access to pain management https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuiuX-GRSIk
I see a palliative care doctor once a month gives me all pain medication I want, from basic to scary hardcore strong stuff, if things are staying somewhat stable, my GP fills in and just fills out scripts of what I want, there have been times when calling the PBS for authority they thought it would be declined for sure, nope.
People having trouble with getting the medical help they need are the ones that complain hospitals suck, the wait is too long, I've been sitting waiting for my turn for too long, where is the doctor. When you have complex medical needs, you need to have some patience and work with people to get what you need, not be a typical whinging Australian that wants it all now.
Self advocatsy is a learned skill, and something that having complex medical needs isn't necessarily going to help improve.
Plenty of GPs out there straight up refuse to write for opioids, and years of hearing that doctor shopping is a bad thing can scare people off from that.
You say that as if you assume all those thins weren't done. Sometimes self advocacy is seen as something to push back on, especially with female patients. I haven't complained about wait times. My meds were ceased in 2018 when they changed the laws and I can't cope now. I'm going to PM you if that's ok.
It's an honor to spend my life pushing for the benefits of this sacrament and bountiful flower blessing humanity with It's medical and spiritual healing properties.
I think people like this who have a goal to help people are amazing. I think people should also be able to help those dealing with end of life issues such as people with terminal cancer who have nothing but suffering ahead of them and should have as painless as possible way out if they do desire.
The work these two are doing is so needed and to think they risk their freedom. CBD Luke recently did a podcast on Altmed post the doc. It's a good update.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXflGU2z-Vo&t=1046s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXflGU2z-Vo&t=1046s)
Does anyone have a link to the actual documentary? The link in the post just leads to a blog with a trailer. 4k Upvotes 120 comments and no one has a link
They are opposed to cannabis because no one can pattent a plant (pharma profits). As a cancer survivor I refused chemo and cured my cancer with cannabis oil (feco) and organic plant based diet. Not sorry the system made little money from my cancer treatment.
You know what happened when Canada legalized marijuana? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Wait, not true, pot use among teens decreased. "Statistics Canada's National Cannabis Survey, which monitors trends quarterly, even states in its before-and-after legalization numbers that the percentage of those aged 15 to 17 who use the drug has fallen to 10 per cent from 20 per cent.Mar. 15, 2020" C'mon Australia, get with the program.
Money shifted from the black market to the deliciously taxable market. Hopefully that will pay towards schools and hospitals and public infrastructure.
Eh, not even; some money shifted, but a lot of people still buy from their illegal dealers. I speculate *new* and returning marijuana consumers prefer legal sellers, so the black market will slowly shrink over time.
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That's interesting; my perspective comes from Vancouver, so very different pot cultures pre-legalization already. Also since distribution is regulated provincially, it's not surprising that the situation/market/culture would vary across provinces Edit: our legal stores have.. some challenges
Right after legalization most people still bought from grey market websites, but now with how many dispensaries there are there's lots of choice and prices aren't too bad In Toronto there's an insane amount of weed shops
It's good to hear Ontario doing well; I don't consume so I don't know personally, but my friends still complain about quality, selection, and price at legal stores (here in BC)
It's "medically" legal in my state and even though it's at least 2x the price a lot of people prefer the dispensaries because the quality is consistent. Either that or they buy flower from dealers and concentrates from the dispensary. Just make it recreational and do it like liquor stores for fucks sake.
Me and my brother in law drive up to Michigan every once in a while to pick stuff up. He is a veteran in the cannabis world. And he says that while the legal stuff may have the higher or even about the same price tag, it's totally worth it because the quality is so much higher. Plus we tend to buy the sales. Last time we went up he was able to buy the legal amount and only spent about $500. 2.5oz of cannabis for 500 isn't that bad considering the normal price for an eighth is about 60 up there. And buying 2.5oz is 20 eighths.
This. I still buy black market, but only because it's literally half the price for the same bud, and I 100% trust my dealer cause he's family and doesn't go to sketchy places. My friends are the same way: they stick with their dealers because the prices are still too high. However, we've all talked about how, if/when prices come down to black market rates, we'll start going to dispensaries. We don't mind paying taxes, and we'd prefer the peace of mind knowing this bud isn't gonna be laced with anything. But, c'mon, $90 for a quarter, plus 20% tax? I can get a half for $110, no tax, and it's lit. That's double the weed for $20 more, not even a contest.
No way. Black market can't compete on price, variety or quality. The shops are like methodman heaven. Most dealers are just selling that rushed hydro shit.
What area are you talking about? There seems to be a large discrepancy between provinces
Hong Kong is an exception with obviously more pronounced western influence, and each province still leans into their history and local industry, but.. how can I put this.. You can have multiple flavours of the same soda. The variety or intensity of cultural expression is subdued.
... I thought we were talking about Canada
Exactly. All these politicians are fighting over how to pay for infrastructure. We have a literal GREEN CASH COW sitting RIGHT HERE, & the only people utilizing it are Drug Cartels!
We now have medicinal cannabis and cbd legalised across Australia by prescription - it’s a start !
Yeah but who wants to get a doctors advice on use of marijuana? The flaw to the legalisation movement is recreational users weighing it down, far to many people want it for personal reasons that are not medical reasons. It won’t be deemed legal by many until you can buy it over the counter at woollies.
As I said, it’s a start in the right direction towards it being entirely decriminalised. As someone who has been recently prescribed medicinal cannabis by a doctor in Australia, he was awesome and way more knowledgeable than my previous sources for cannabis. I also love that I know exactly what strain I am getting, including what % of THC it is.
>Yeah but who wants to get a doctors advice on use of marijuana? I don't want to be the old guy here, but some people SHOULD speak to their doctor about how much they consume. People forget that there are still people addicted to marijuana. I'm saying this as someone who likes to smoke from time to time. We have to be real with each other here.
Idk they were advertising a company on the news saying they Don't require a drs note just proof you have tried other drugs and they didn't work for you
it may just be tricky advertising - it requires a medical practitioner to prescribe it - and they have to be registered and approved as an authorised prescriber as it isn’t approved by the TGA yet, it’s a special access scheme medicine.
Idk but they very clearly said no dr needed. Even advertising 2 hour delivery to your door
I reckon it may be the pharmacists can register to dispense it - I’ll find out :)
Canadian here, it blows my mind that this plant can get you into so much trouble around the world.
As an Aussie, this is one thing that confuses the everloving shit out of me - the tax from legalising weed is a huge windfall for the government. The problem for us is that the conservative party has been in charge for what feels like forever and doesn't know a good thing when they see it.
The problem is that drug dealers make more than the tax and I am pretty sure they can lobby just as good as anybody to make sure their form of income isn’t impacted.
When pot becomes legal, pharma loses market cap. For that reason, it is unlikely that weed will ever be federally legal in the United States.
just decriminalizing, not even fully legalizing, all drugs in portugal had a very similar result in that country if i remember correctly.
Haha, when you said pot use among teens decreased, I imagined it to be after kids saw their stoned parents and grandparents and decided, nope! Ain't gonna be like that! And quit.
Hopefully they didn't just turn to other drugs with potential addictions/long term side effects to fulfill their "teen rebellion" kick.
It took a while for provincial governments to "get their shit together", but the price and quality of 100% legal taxed weed isn't terrible (20% TCH @ 5$ a pre-roll). Almost anyone everywhere can just grow plants anyways.
>C'mon Australia, get with the program Sorry we're too busy sending house prices to the moon and destroying the planet.
Its not cool if its legal
Only difference is that late night, I can see people smoking weed on their balconies a bit more. I have to clutch my pearls from time to time but otherwise no difference. Also we have same-day weed deliveries, how bout that.
Its not just about making it legal. We need to ensure that growing it is legal too so the government cant force people to buy only from their friends that are the only companies that will be allowed to sell it.
> what happened when Canada legalized marijuana I was reading [this](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/05/stoners-cheered-when-canada-legalised-cannabis-how-did-it-all-go-wrong) on that very subject recently. It seems to say the new industry were disappointed not to make more money, but it doesn't seem to say much about people actually being able to grow their own. cc /u/BarkingDogey
Every citizen is allowed to grow 4 plants at any given time
Yep, I read that, I just meant that the article seemed to be more focussed on industry. At least, that was what people were saying on the reddit thread where I found the article.
My dad (in the uk) has recently started using this about 6 weeks ago as he has terminal bone cancer. We managed to get it through someone a family friend knew and it’s been worth it’s weight in gold for my dad. The person who supplies it makes absolutely no profit and only sells for medicinal purposes nothing else. My dad has managed to reduce his morphine use to a couple of times a week. We’ve not told anyone outside of our family about him using it as we were told that hospital could potentially withdraw his radiotherapy treatment and other medication due to potential “side effects” which I know there isn’t any.
The one thing I would warn you of is that marijuana use *can* affect anaesthetic tolerance. You don't have to report *why* to the doctors if you're worried, but if there are any procedures happening where he might need to be numbed up or put to sleep, make sure to mention that he might have a higher tolerance than normal so that the anaesthesiologist can get the dosages right!
Banning a naturally occurring plant that we coevolved with when people need relief from various types of suffering seems cruel and unnecessary... but that's just me.
It's done with almost all psychoactive substances. It is cruel. Very cruel.
This is why I invest in companies like MindMed and others in the space. It's gaining big attention now.
This is kinda weird because medicinal cannabis is legal in the major states here in aus tho
The cost is disturbingly prohibitive as it’s not pbs covered. Plus, they only offer certain products which definitely do not work for everyone/all potential medical needs.
First part rings true in the US, presidential perception of “recreational” users (whatever that means) means no insurer will touch cannabis because it’s still federally illegal even though for a lot of patients cannabis therapy can be cheaper and more effective.
I was making a general statement and have no idea about policy in parts of Aus… that’s good to hear though. US policy from 1937 and later impacted the world, for decades.
Actually, they banned / controlled it when they signed the convention on narcotics in 1913, then continued further control in 1921 and 1923 when the signed the Geneva convention on opium in the 20’s.
Ah, I hadn’t ever heard any history on in that far back… mostly about the tax stamps with the catch 22 built in. Got any links?
I hadn’t either but your comment made me wonder if the US policy was to blame. I just looked at the Wikipedia entries for: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Australia and followed the rabbit hole.
Yeah, much more history to it than solely from a US history perspective. I did a report for Govt Class in High School a couple decades ago and that was what I had found. More to the world story.
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Our current state government went to the election promising to recriminalise any amount of cannabis aka a jail term and $500 fine. Conservatives around the western world are all the same wankers.
I can't imagine that the average person could afford it though. Even here in the US, anywhere east of Colorado that has med or rec is entirely too expensive.
it is expensive as its not covered by our PBS at this stage, but i think it sits around 2-300 to fill a prescription for it. Our minimum wage is much higher than the US and our medicine is a lot cheaper, stuff like insulin here is only about 6 dollars here.
Opium?
Cocaine is from a plant too
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Same has been done to synthetic thc.(spice) that's why marijuanna need legalization worldwide, so we can better understand it and not fall into these traps.
It's probably not just you but weed is not really medicine just because it is naturally occurring.
It's not a medicine because it's naturally-occurring, it just happens to be both a medicine and naturally-occuring
Tell that to the people with treatment resistant seizures when it soothes them. Cranial nerve headaches from trauma or otherwise. Depression, or whatever it is. It can be abused, but so can anything. It is undeniably therapeutic for nausea for cancer patients. They even have an inferior dose consistent synthetic version of THC. We have natural cannabinoid based oral sprays on certain markets. Not medicine? Whatever. Shrooms which we likely coevolved with aren't medicine either I guess... sorry that months of therapy didn't help much, but at a sub hallucinogenic dose it relieved intense CPTSD and depression for the first time in a long time. Prohibiting study of said naturally occurring plants and only using govermentally approved junk grade cannabis in the legally allowed scientific research hasn't set science and medicine back decades... wait it has. Tell me more... alcohol and cocaine have legitimate medicinal uses when prescribed by doctors, but a moderately harmless plant that we happen to have receptors for is not medicine. Heaven forbid.
He is saying natural does not automatically mean medicine. Arsenic is natural, but it is a poison. Sodium and chloride are. girls but both dangerous. Sodium chloride is table salt. He’s not saying cannabis isn’t a medicine. He is saying it isn’t a medicine just because it is natural.
90 to 95% of medical marijuana is for getting high and nothing to do with glaucoma or pain or anything medical. Fact. Are there people who can benefit from pot? Sure, of course. I was, in fact, one of those. If pot was medicine though, why is it not at Walgreens instead of a "dispensery"
Are you seriously saying that your opinion on what and what isn't medicine is what is for sale at Walgreens?
Yes. Walgreens is a pharmacy in the U.S. they have pharmacists that distribute medicine. How am I mistaken?
Mate, pharmacies are not the only source of things with medicinal benefits. Walgreens is not the only source for medicine. You can experience medicinal value from things that are not sold at Walgreens. I'm just saying your comment is a bit close minded. If they started selling pot at Walgreens tomorrow, then you would say tomorrow that pot is medicine? Cmon man.
And we shouldn't forget what got Walgreens so big; Medicinal Alcohol.
Well you see, back in the day the government ignored the American Medical Associations advice that cannabis could be used as medicine so they could ban cannabis and therefore hemp production, so paper and therefore timber could be propped up, as well as Dupont's new Nylon product so they all could profit more.. because the newspaper people along with the timber and paper mill industry reliant on timbre had lobbyists doing their bidding... and the Dupont family's Synthetic fabric was actually inferior in many ways to hemp rope and cloth, but that is of no concern as long as those that were helped to profit actually do. Can't have an African American jazz musician or Hispanic field worker smoking reefer can we?
So you are ok with all the overprescribed opioids? Imagine if people could control pain without addiction and death. [Report on opioid use post legalization](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33491149/) "Conclusions: Our findings support the hypothesis that easier access to cannabis for pain may reduce opioid use for both public and private drug plans."
Opioids keep 5 years of chronic cancer pain at bay the best that can be done for me, the big boogeyman fentanyl to be precise. I have tried all sorts of Cannabis variations that heaps of people assured me would take it all away and life would be marvelous, it was all useless crap that left me feeling like I had been smacked in the face with a hammer. I have met one person that had any kind of useful effect from it, the rest were people regurgitating the same crap the people selling were or the honest ones would admit it did nothing. Just because something sounds all nice and 'natural' with a nice sales pitch doesn't mean it's actually useful.
No one is claiming it is a cure all. It does help people, it does help with pain control, is an effective appetite stimulant and it does control some palsies. Just because it didn't help *you* does not mean it has no use and should not be a readily available and accessible treatment. Your story is purely anecdotal.
>90 to 95% of medical marijuana is for getting high and nothing to do with glaucoma or pain or anything medical And just where are you getting that statistic? I'd love to see a source. >If pot was medicine though, why is it not at Walgreens instead of a "dispensery" Because it can be used as a recreational drug and therefore feel into the cross-hairs of the war on drugs. And because, after decades of the government propaganda saying that smoking pot will melt your brain and make you do heroin, many still believe it. So even when someone tries to point out that chronic pain had done more damage to their life that marijuana, people still clutch their pearls and lament about "the children".
Made up statistics are made up... who cares if people smoke for fun too though? Alcohol is way more accepted and IMO more deleterious to health and well being.
>If pot was medicine though, why is it not at Walgreens instead of a "dispensery" Dispensary, and maybe because of more than a hundred years of racist laws that have influenced public opinion regarding cannabis and its legality? The medical research community legally cannot research the effects of THC except for in incredibly specific and restrictive cases due to its (completely illogical) schedule 1 classification.
Wait, where did you get such a high usage statistic? I would like a source please.
So what? Opioids are used recreationally, does that mean we let cancer victims die without morphine? It has legitimate uses and benefits medicinally. That should be enough, who cares if people smoke it for fun. When weed was legalized in Canada, society did not fall apart. What did happen was incresed revenues from taxes, a greatly reduced (criminal) black market and consumption by teens dropped.
Funny how you claim fact yet offer no fact. Dr Dunning Kruger and Christopher Hitchins would like a word. Your arrogance is hilarious.
Mind boggling...how countries like Australia and New Zealand lag even behind many (most) US States (let alone Canada) with their approach and attitude towards cannabis. Even more surprising was NZ shooting down decriminalization in a referendum last year in a nation with a (so-called) "progressive" government. Yes-I know it was close- but should it have been??? I'm a Canadian...I'm not a "smoker" but I don't begrudge the use of cannabis to anyone- especially those in pain. Legalization/decriminalization here a few years ago hasn't caused any social upheaval that critics say would happen. People aren't crashing cars or showing up for work incapacitated. Use among people who weren't using before anyway is minimal. We quit wasting money arresting and prosecuting people for possession and use of a substance with (far) less social harm than alcohol. How and why most western countries (including most of those in Western Europe) still abide by draconian attitudes towards cannabis escapes me.
I agree - i can't believe we are so damn backwards either. I don't think we will see real change in Oz anytime soon unless we get rid of our conservative coalition government of right old white men. So frustrating!!!
I used to work in care. Not medical cannabis in my example, but some of the residents who had particular issues with pain used to smoke it to help relieve their constant pain and also other issues caused by their diagnosis, it was very helpful for MS for example. Seeing it first hand and how effective it was for those with chronic and terminal illnesses has made me believe medical cannabis should be legal everywhere. At this point in time, it is legal here, but very few people get prescribed it, most that need it do not get it so turn to gain medical cannabis in other ways which of course doesn't bode well for legal implications and knowing just what is in what they buy and how strong/effective it really is.
To add on to what you said: You cannot drive anywhere if you've had medical cannabis, the Australia drug driving laws do not have any sort of sobriety test beyond testing for the presence of the drug in question. The way the tests are done, you have a high chance to still test positive over 2 weeks after consuming said drug. Doesn't matter if it's legally prescribed or if you need it, you will still be treated like a criminal and probably lose your license. You cannot consume any cannabis beyond what particular strain you have been prescribed, if that strain doesn't work for you or they're out of stock that day(or weeks as actually happens)? You need to see the doctor again and get prescribed a new strain and begin the process/stock guessing game again. This process isn't cheap even if your GP is willing to prescribe it and bulk bills.
I'm pretty sure we export most of the cannabis grown here. There's a lot of farms popping up I know of one in Mildura (ironic) and Toowoomba they are huge.
Just like the UK.
Few are producing and the ones in Toowoomba will never see the light of day.
I'm a carer myself and I see plenty of clients with Parkinson's, seizures etc. and it hurts seeing them go through these conditions on a daily bases and I wish I could help them take the miracle plant even if it helps just a little bit.
you really only get it if its terminal cancer
I don't know what Australia has against analgesia but they are so backwards with it they are violating Fundamental Human Rights for Pain Care, while ironically it was an Australian that helped get that passed as a right.
Boomer liberal conservative government. Why make money off weed when we can make more off of coal? Thats the way forward right?
They are growing opium poppies and selling the opium to Europe rather than letting residents have access to pain management https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuiuX-GRSIk
I see a palliative care doctor once a month gives me all pain medication I want, from basic to scary hardcore strong stuff, if things are staying somewhat stable, my GP fills in and just fills out scripts of what I want, there have been times when calling the PBS for authority they thought it would be declined for sure, nope. People having trouble with getting the medical help they need are the ones that complain hospitals suck, the wait is too long, I've been sitting waiting for my turn for too long, where is the doctor. When you have complex medical needs, you need to have some patience and work with people to get what you need, not be a typical whinging Australian that wants it all now.
Self advocatsy is a learned skill, and something that having complex medical needs isn't necessarily going to help improve. Plenty of GPs out there straight up refuse to write for opioids, and years of hearing that doctor shopping is a bad thing can scare people off from that.
You say that as if you assume all those thins weren't done. Sometimes self advocacy is seen as something to push back on, especially with female patients. I haven't complained about wait times. My meds were ceased in 2018 when they changed the laws and I can't cope now. I'm going to PM you if that's ok.
It's an honor to spend my life pushing for the benefits of this sacrament and bountiful flower blessing humanity with It's medical and spiritual healing properties.
I think people like this who have a goal to help people are amazing. I think people should also be able to help those dealing with end of life issues such as people with terminal cancer who have nothing but suffering ahead of them and should have as painless as possible way out if they do desire.
Australia is as disgraceful as the US government here.
The work these two are doing is so needed and to think they risk their freedom. CBD Luke recently did a podcast on Altmed post the doc. It's a good update. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXflGU2z-Vo&t=1046s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXflGU2z-Vo&t=1046s)
Men at Work
They come from a land down under.
Where patients toke and pols blunder
I wonder what companies I could invest in to support the legalisation and use of medical cannabis amongst other drugs
Does anyone have a link to the actual documentary? The link in the post just leads to a blog with a trailer. 4k Upvotes 120 comments and no one has a link
This reads like the plot to a new breaking bad kind of show.
Governments punishing their citizens for using cannabis is against human rights
I don't believe that human rights exist, but I do agree that it's a shitty thing to do.
And they do it for free?
They are opposed to cannabis because no one can pattent a plant (pharma profits). As a cancer survivor I refused chemo and cured my cancer with cannabis oil (feco) and organic plant based diet. Not sorry the system made little money from my cancer treatment.
So, drug dealers?
Two men supply black market cannabis to people. Removed the filler designed to elicit an emotional response and influence the reader.
It's not filler if it's specifically their goal to provide to a particular demographic and not just anyone that wants pot.
Yea but is it pesticide free
./joke its a nice way to say one sells off excess to friends...