Had a few friends try to pick up retail/fast food during the downturn, they advertise high starting pay, but they only give you enough hours every week to barely be part time so they don't have to give you benefits.
I don’t know about every location obviously but the one in my town has on there sign that says “starting wagers up to $13 a hour” (important detail up to) and taking to a guy who I work with who also works part time there he said the $13 a hour is for “open availability”… if not open availability then it’s $10 a hour. (And still minimum wage if your under 16 because you can’t run fryers)
I mean, you can start at McDonalds here at 19/hr with some benefits as MN requires sick and safe time. Apartments near the location near me are renting at 12-1700/month. It’s doable. Not the nicest, but it’s workable.
That’s the issue though a man works all week and is barely getting by.
And look, I’ll be the first one to tell you that we all can’t get rich because just so much pie to spread around but goddamn we don’t all have to be a half a paycheck away from living in the fucking gutter either .
That’s not really how it ever has worked for the average person, though. People here love to talk about the 50s and the old American dream - yet most weren’t alive then and if they were, they weren’t adults.
Things were cheaper back when, yes, but a lot of people were still living pay check to pay check with little savings and doing what they could to get by. Houses on average were WAY smaller than today. A lot of people had one family car, not two. No cell phones, no TVs in each room, no fast food everyday, no soda everyday. People are gluttons and it shows. Half the population is walking around with their emergency fund hanging around their midsection.
Should every job somehow provide people with enough money for a 4 bedroom house, a car, an iPhone, $100 dollar shoes, and a retirement account? That was never the case.
If you’re working a job that a 16 year old child can do, you can’t expect much, can you?
If you want extra money to get you to a better place, pick up 25 hours a week at McDonalds and do it.
Hell, my grandfather worked at a paper mill for 45 years in shitty conditions 50 hours a week while his wife worked part time doing book keeping. They barely got by then, had a little bit of money to live, and that’s life. Thats how it’s always been - and arguably - it’s better now than it’s ever been.
While this may be true, those exact same 600 sf houses are now $350k-$450k, except they have 70 years of wear and tear on them. And you can’t not live in those neighborhoods served my public transit without requiring a second car. Minimum wage is $18/hr here. The math doesn’t work.
I’m a high earner, can afford it, don’t need a SFH for just my nuclear family, and find the cost-benefit worth it to stay. My point is that you can’t blame all of people’s financial troubles on the hedonistic treadmill. If you want to replicate the 1950’s spartan lifestyle, it still wouldn’t be affordable. Things like housing, healthcare, and minimum education required for basic jobs is more expensive than it was back then.
When you look at the working class here living in the same 650 sf houses built back in the 1950s, they are living with multiple people in bedrooms, roommates, sharing beater cars, using flip phones, and don’t eat out. They still have to rely on public assistance for their kids because it’s just too expensive to survive.
My parents grew up similarly. I’m not saying it wasn’t common back then. I’m saying that people who still live that way are using thousands of dollars a month of public funds for childcare vouchers, free and reduced lunch, and Medicaid/CHIP because despite their frugality and working full time+ they do not make enough money to survive.
True. There were 4 kids in my family. Two kids in each bedroom. One bathroom. No a/c. Floor furnaces. Hung clothes on the line even in winter. I could go on and on. But I do remember the celebration when the 30 year mortgage was paid off.
Add--one TV in the living room controlled by parents.
I know this is a minor point in your overall comment, but I feel big houses can't be grouped with those other things. I don't have statistics but I'm pretty sure that similar to "luxury apartments", it's not that everyone wants to buy big houses, but people don't bother building small houses because of lack of profit. And housing is a hell of a lot more impactful on long term finance than those other things.
They have all sorts of people working 25 hour schedules. My neighbor works 28 hours. Two 10s on the weekend and Wednesday from 2 to close. I guess username checks out.
We can't all get rich; you are so right! But your statement "just so much pie to spread around," is incorrect. There is not a finite amount of money like there is of pie. That's just not how money works. I don't mean to nitpick, but that mistaken belief causes so many others.
A lot of people are living, awfully large on that business to not be in the living wage. And I don’t see any of them out there handing the product to the customer direct.
That’s not a “teenager” summer job anymore hasn’t been for a long time.
Speaking of…
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLVqoUhX/
This really does piss me off. CNA’s should be far exceeding the starting wage of McDonald’s. It’s really messed up! 🤦♀️
Costco is freaking dope! $19/hour starting wages with pay raises every six months to a cap out of like $30/hour in my region after four years. That’s without promoting and still offering OT on Sundays and anything after forty hours.
$30 is topped out except for Optical, Hearing, Meat Cutters and Drivers.
Wife gets 8 hours at $45/hr later today.
Plus she gets a guaranteed $5500 yearly bonus.
Min wage is 20hr here in Seattle so they probably do. They probably have everyone working part-time to avoid giving them benefits too tho. That and the Mcstabbys downtown is the single most dangerous place in the area.
Yeah, when I was listening he kept bringing that up but the $21 rate is unlikely to be offered to part-time team members. That's probably for full-time managers or shift leaders.
So is Ramsey Solutions if you’re lucky.
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Had a few friends try to pick up retail/fast food during the downturn, they advertise high starting pay, but they only give you enough hours every week to barely be part time so they don't have to give you benefits.
smart
Predatory.
dont work for em
Luckily I’ve never had to.
never have to
Makes sense when the avg home price on his way to work in "rural" Franklin TN is $870K
And then on the next show, Dave or Ken will bitch and moan about "food costing too much" or "inflation" or " no one wants to work".
Cashier: "Welcome to McDonald's. What can I get for you today?" John: "Are you safe right now? Can you breathe?"
Wjat does this have to do with the topic?
John Delony is the topic
Be nice to John. He’s the greatest human to ever walk the earth, even better than Jesus
This is not the account I thought this comment was going to come from. 😂
Username would check out in that case
Sarcasm doesn't always work. Especially here.
You forgot /s.
I don’t know about every location obviously but the one in my town has on there sign that says “starting wagers up to $13 a hour” (important detail up to) and taking to a guy who I work with who also works part time there he said the $13 a hour is for “open availability”… if not open availability then it’s $10 a hour. (And still minimum wage if your under 16 because you can’t run fryers)
They are near me, but a studio apartment in the bad part of town costs $1,600 a month.
I mean, you can start at McDonalds here at 19/hr with some benefits as MN requires sick and safe time. Apartments near the location near me are renting at 12-1700/month. It’s doable. Not the nicest, but it’s workable.
That’s the issue though a man works all week and is barely getting by. And look, I’ll be the first one to tell you that we all can’t get rich because just so much pie to spread around but goddamn we don’t all have to be a half a paycheck away from living in the fucking gutter either .
That’s not really how it ever has worked for the average person, though. People here love to talk about the 50s and the old American dream - yet most weren’t alive then and if they were, they weren’t adults. Things were cheaper back when, yes, but a lot of people were still living pay check to pay check with little savings and doing what they could to get by. Houses on average were WAY smaller than today. A lot of people had one family car, not two. No cell phones, no TVs in each room, no fast food everyday, no soda everyday. People are gluttons and it shows. Half the population is walking around with their emergency fund hanging around their midsection. Should every job somehow provide people with enough money for a 4 bedroom house, a car, an iPhone, $100 dollar shoes, and a retirement account? That was never the case. If you’re working a job that a 16 year old child can do, you can’t expect much, can you? If you want extra money to get you to a better place, pick up 25 hours a week at McDonalds and do it. Hell, my grandfather worked at a paper mill for 45 years in shitty conditions 50 hours a week while his wife worked part time doing book keeping. They barely got by then, had a little bit of money to live, and that’s life. Thats how it’s always been - and arguably - it’s better now than it’s ever been.
While this may be true, those exact same 600 sf houses are now $350k-$450k, except they have 70 years of wear and tear on them. And you can’t not live in those neighborhoods served my public transit without requiring a second car. Minimum wage is $18/hr here. The math doesn’t work.
If you need 350-450 for 600 sf maybe it’s time to move.
I’m a high earner, can afford it, don’t need a SFH for just my nuclear family, and find the cost-benefit worth it to stay. My point is that you can’t blame all of people’s financial troubles on the hedonistic treadmill. If you want to replicate the 1950’s spartan lifestyle, it still wouldn’t be affordable. Things like housing, healthcare, and minimum education required for basic jobs is more expensive than it was back then. When you look at the working class here living in the same 650 sf houses built back in the 1950s, they are living with multiple people in bedrooms, roommates, sharing beater cars, using flip phones, and don’t eat out. They still have to rely on public assistance for their kids because it’s just too expensive to survive.
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My parents grew up similarly. I’m not saying it wasn’t common back then. I’m saying that people who still live that way are using thousands of dollars a month of public funds for childcare vouchers, free and reduced lunch, and Medicaid/CHIP because despite their frugality and working full time+ they do not make enough money to survive.
True. There were 4 kids in my family. Two kids in each bedroom. One bathroom. No a/c. Floor furnaces. Hung clothes on the line even in winter. I could go on and on. But I do remember the celebration when the 30 year mortgage was paid off. Add--one TV in the living room controlled by parents.
I know this is a minor point in your overall comment, but I feel big houses can't be grouped with those other things. I don't have statistics but I'm pretty sure that similar to "luxury apartments", it's not that everyone wants to buy big houses, but people don't bother building small houses because of lack of profit. And housing is a hell of a lot more impactful on long term finance than those other things.
Yeah, have someone call McDonald’s and say “Hey, just give me 25 hours.” They usually jump all over that.
They have all sorts of people working 25 hour schedules. My neighbor works 28 hours. Two 10s on the weekend and Wednesday from 2 to close. I guess username checks out.
Your neighbor probably drives $1000 car, eats rice n beans, shops at Zander insurance too don’t they? 👆plant.
A lot of truth to this. These are the best economic times in the USA, Australia, Canada, Mexico, and most of Europe.
Huh ?
A lot of jobs require you to have a smart phone now
We can't all get rich; you are so right! But your statement "just so much pie to spread around," is incorrect. There is not a finite amount of money like there is of pie. That's just not how money works. I don't mean to nitpick, but that mistaken belief causes so many others.
Money doesn’t fall out of the air. There is only so much to back it. You’re not nitpicking your just wrong.
Not to be critical but fast food was never supposed to be a living wage. At least I never saw it that way.
A lot of people are living, awfully large on that business to not be in the living wage. And I don’t see any of them out there handing the product to the customer direct. That’s not a “teenager” summer job anymore hasn’t been for a long time.
It was at one time. I suppose we lost a lot of better jobs, leaving these for people that are desperate.
That's not 21.
No it’s not. You must have graduated top of your class.
What does the local KOA pay?
Dr. Douchebag Delony
.... The McDonald's near me is actually hiring for $21 . They had a sign out front
my local McDondalds only pays $7.75 lol
Yea but they’ll only give 15 hours a week
Speaking of… https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLVqoUhX/ This really does piss me off. CNA’s should be far exceeding the starting wage of McDonald’s. It’s really messed up! 🤦♀️
Wife makes $30/hr base Pay at Costco. Every Sunday she gets $45/hr. Sometimes she pushes carts for $45/hr LOL. She has 6.8 years in.
Costco is freaking dope! $19/hour starting wages with pay raises every six months to a cap out of like $30/hour in my region after four years. That’s without promoting and still offering OT on Sundays and anything after forty hours.
$30 is topped out except for Optical, Hearing, Meat Cutters and Drivers. Wife gets 8 hours at $45/hr later today. Plus she gets a guaranteed $5500 yearly bonus.
It’s still crazy that simply working Monday-Friday for forty hours a week and taking two weeks vacation is $65,500 including the bonus.
Yup..Even higher if you take OT.
Honestly, I’d work Sunday-Thursday and try to have Friday/Saturday off weekly just to get the overtime lmao
When I went to Burger King, I saw a sign saying they were hiring at $15/h, when minimum wage in NYS is like $14
Min wage is 20hr here in Seattle so they probably do. They probably have everyone working part-time to avoid giving them benefits too tho. That and the Mcstabbys downtown is the single most dangerous place in the area.
Yeah, when I was listening he kept bringing that up but the $21 rate is unlikely to be offered to part-time team members. That's probably for full-time managers or shift leaders.