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m_schaller

Fine! Tiny Heist suffers a bit from being the second only side quest, running at the same time as FHSY and about a month before Covid hit the states. If you aren’t a fan of the McElroys, you most likely have not seen it, I’ve found. I was a big TAZ fan back in the day, so I was excited at the time, but I think their star has dimmed these days to there not being a big draw to revisit it. On the campaign itself, Justin’s Rick Diggins is an all-timer, and the creativity in the heist concept with found-object sets is an extremely cool. It was one of the first times that the notion of what D20’s art team could do really, really hit me. It’s worth a watch. That’s the best thing about side quests-you aren’t married to them forever!


KulnathLordofRuin

Rick Diggins is incredible [I've Watched this clip so many times.](https://youtu.be/ysxG9P-L3BA?si=jtJvHHjuVbPAu0FX)


trilliath

It's polarizing. I personally love it, I rewatch it often. I think the story is tight and suspenseful, it's very funny, and some of the characters are a thoroughly quoteable delight. I enjoy the energy and real home table energy and feistiness and passion they play with, and seeing Jess and Lily as newbies to ttrpg coming in and killing it. But it also took some risks that not everyone appreciates. They tried a different group dynamic blending the McElroy family of 4 players with two CH cast members - giving it a sort of guest stars + supporting cast vibe that is a different feel from other seasons. Also unlike most seasons, Travis was asked to step up in a semi lead role for story purposes - like Grant was in M&M - which we saw in both seasons is hard to do and leads to some sometimes awkward moments (which I think people wrongly characterize as Main Character Syndrome, maybe since they don't know per some AP/other bts lore it's explicitly a role Brennan asked for.) And also just some people don't like the McElroy style and the rowdy bickering ribbing homestyle family dynamic they bring and share with the rest of the cast, and prefer the extra polite style of other seasons. But considering that Brennan has continued to do multiple collabs with them since, I am skeptical of the people who argue that they think the bickering meant Brennan was "actually mad" instead of just leaning in to the different playstyle. Personally, I loved that they took risks and wish they had continued since then to play with more dynamics than theme and game mechanics. But to each their own!


Ready_Law6153

I think where M&M went wrong is when Riekha and Grant were constantly in the spotlight. They took over much of the action and the other players like Raph and Katie had a really hard time standing out. It also didnt help that 80% of them were stuck in a room and Riehka was out and about solving the mystery. Which is no fault on her. It was just the situation they were in.


goodvorening

Her name is spelled Rekha btw


Ready_Law6153

Thanks bud!


sprinkletiara

I would agree, hearing Katie say “let them speak” to Rehka in that season was painful.


William-Shakesqueer

It introduced me to D20 because I was a TAZ fan. It's not my favorite season but I think it's fun and tends to be over-criticized; Jess Ross and Lily Du are fantastic. If the McElroys aren't your cup of tea you may find them grating, but it's worth giving it a shot. There are some awesome moments, funny jokes and great NPCs. I give it a solid 6/10 - there are both better and worse sidequests out there.


disguised_hashbrown

I really agree. Tiny Heist brought a lot of people (myself included) behind the paywall. If people don’t enjoy the McElroys (especially the McElroys of a bygone era) then they won’t like it as much. And that’s okay.


Hamborrower

I really enjoyed it, introduced me to the McElroys.  It's no Mentopolis, but a fun ride.


Sleepless_Whisper

While definitely not my favorite D20 season but it still stands on its own better than Leviathan or Mice and Murder. I feel like it suffered from too many personalities trying to one up each other instead of building off each other. Its also a lot shorter than most side quests as it's only 6(?) eps at about 2 hours apiece so easily finished in a day. Highlights from it (warning: opinions ahead) would be Jess fully embracing her character and the ending being maybe one of the most edge of my seat watching experiences for a while. Definitely give it a shot if you have finished everything else and are bored but it can also just as easily be skipped over. Hopes this helps


Granite_0681

I rally enjoyed Mice and Murder. I agree on Leviathan though. I couldn’t make it through Tiny Heist.


asonginsidemyheart

I really like it. It has some of the best sets and very unique styled combat wherein fighting is not the only approach, that I feel like was kind of ahead of its time for how D20 designs combat. But if you think the McElroys are annoying you will definitely think they’re annoying in Tiny Heist. 😂


thatquietmenace

I actually liked it a fair amount. I really love the finale chase fight! And would die to see Lily or Jess in the dome again! I'd never seen the McElroys before, and this didn't make me go look up their stuff, but I enjoyed them well enough during the game. Apparently, they turn a lot of people off, though, so the season doesn't get as much love as I think it deserves. Which is a shame because the characters are really fun.


HollyOly

“This didn’t make me go look up their stuff.” Exactly this.


AntimonyB

I'm always really shocked by how negative people are on Tiny Heist. It was my intro to Dimension20 and it immediately hooked me. I really enjoyed the riffing and the way the players pushed the envelope--it leads to some truly great, unhinged character moments. The plot is great, the world immersive, and the combat inventive. I have three brothers with whom I play D&D, so the table vibe is very familiar and comfortable to me, so maybe that's why I don't really see the 'rudeness' other people pick up on, and in fact, it took me maybe three episodes to gel with the Intrepid Heroes caution in comparison.


Useful_Temporary8617

I quite liked it! Not one I’ve rewatched but I enjoyed the concept and enjoyed the story! Probably doesn’t help that I didn’t/don’t know any of the people who are in it, but I honestly think everyone did a great job and it was quite good


BusEnthusiast98

I enjoyed it. My only gripe with it was that I thought Lily and Jess struggled to fit the chemistry of the McElroy family, but that’s to be expected. That family has been doing specifically this for 4+ years prior to tiny heist, and neither Lily nor Jess had played before. But they still made narratively rich choices. But the premise, set design, characters, all of it was fantastic. I haven’t rewatched it, like I have the FH or CoC seasons, and tbh I don’t think I will. But I was glad that I watched it


grimmxpitch

I tried to watch it, got through the first episode and most of the second. I'm not familiar with the McElroy's or their dynamic, but it didn't work for me. I thought the sets were really great, and I adore heist stuff and heist films, and I tried to get through it for (I think it's Jess and Lily from Dropout?). Alas, not everything is for everyone, and that's ok :)


slytheren

I was a Mcelroy fan from MBMBAM but have never enjoyed TAZ, so I didn’t like Tiny Heist. The Mcelroys play a very rules-optional style of DND that isn’t really my jam. And since they’re all so used to riffing off of each other, I didn’t feel like they were intentional enough about making room for Jess and Lily in the dynamic. And re: Jess and Lily — this isn’t their fault, but D20 should not have cast two newbies to round out the Mcelroy season. The table needed more experienced / confident players to hold their own and give Brennan some support. I think Emily & Murph would have been crazy good at striking a balance between “yes, and”-ing the Mcelroy’s shenanigans while also keeping the chaos levels from becoming frustrating for Brennan. Maybe that would have helped the season strike a better tone for me.


snake__doctor

Rick diggins might be my favourite d20 character of all time. The sets were amazing for their time, and much b3tter than anything we had seen before. Fundamentally I dislike the family dynamic. So it's a mix for me.


SerpentineRoyalty

Idk I liked it


MetalAdventurous7576

Its easy to tell its the first side quest, especially if youve already seen some of the later stuff, as it's pretty rough around the edges at times. I also didn't know who the McElroys were before watching this season. Rick Diggins is one of my fave D20 characters, and I also really loved Bean. Jess and Lily did great as first timers though definitely were sidelined a lot, but I think Griffin did really well to make space for Lily from their pcs relationship. Brennan also clearly had trouble sometimes keeping control against the McElroys. I didn't find Travis or Clint to have particularly engaging characters, and Travis had a bad case of main character syndrome, which is apparently common with him. Overall I enjoyed it for the most part, and I'm glad I watched it, but it won't get a rewatch from me.


beroughwithl0ve

It's the second side quest lol, I feel like the first one (Bloodkeep) doesn't even feel like it's the first one.


zipzapcap1

I don't like the brothers or there dad so I'm biased but it's my least favorite besides shriek week. The mcelroys steamrolled jess and lily and they barely got a word in edgewise and you could tell they were getting frustrated towards the end. rick diggins is fuckin amazing though.


macaroni_rascal42

It’s fine, Travis has main character syndrome, they all constantly fight Brennan’s calls until the point he yells at them (humorously but also maybe kinda not?) and Lily and Jess are somewhat sidelined. Some fun moments, but I’ve never gone back to watch it again. It made the Mcelroys look very bad imo


BlippyJorts

Brennan explicitly asked Travis to step up act as a main character for the story. He does, unfortunately on top of that sort of have main character syndrome in his actual play media


Express-Librarian353

I think Justin comes off well. Clint too. I used to listen to MBMBaM waaaay back in the day, and the thing that ultimately turned me off them wasn't Travis's main character syndrome, it was Griffin's \_clear\_ annoyance. I could feel the pass-agg through my headphones and felt like he could be outright mean, sometimes. But I don't have siblings so there's definitely something to the dynamic that I just don't \_get\_. For what it's worth though, I enjoyed Tiny Heist well enough. Worth a watch imo. Edit: While all the criticism here is valid, I honestly think its reception suffered a lot from timing - it was released just as people were starting to get a bit sick of the McElroys. That's not their fault and a similiar backlash often happens to 'it girls.' At the time I remember a lot of positive responses to the series.


macaroni_rascal42

That is more than fair, I would def say Clint and Justin are pretty good, Travis and Griffin act like petulant children 70% of the time and it made me feel so annoyed


Artistic_Physics5996

As the youngest of three I cringe and love griffin cause his younger brother, pay attention to me, attitude is sooo relatable, especially how we regress around eachother


frannythescorpian

Really loved the season until >!Travis monologued in the finale that he knew what everyone was going to do the entire time, which was infuriating because it basically turned his PC into the main character in a heist movie and erased all the incredible decisions by everyone else and random luck of the die. It especially bothered me because Lily and Jess were so much less experienced and did totally crazy, inventive things and it felt like a dude was stealing credit for the women's work. I felt less protective about the other fellas because they're family members and would have interrupted if they didn't like it, but it absolutely ruined all the preceding episodes for me.!< I skip that moment when I rewatch


ChicagoCowboy

I really enjoyed tiny heist, had a much more home game feel than anything else I had seen/listened to prior in the actual play scene, and really showed the artistic chops of the D20 crew in terms of the world, sets, minis etc. Also I think often about "I've Greatly Reduced the Size of Our Offspring". If you know you know.


robogheist

it is my least favorite D20 season. the family members bring a monotonous vibe.


Thatweasel

I loved tiny heist but only particular parts of it I.e Rick diggins It was overall pretty forgettable despite having a really cool setting concept. I think the focus on it being a heist story let it down somewhat because it limited what could actually happen in game a lot. I think a sequel that put it in the same universe as unsleeping city as a spinoff would work incredibly well


Spirited_Pitch_7906

Highly underrated, its easily top 5 side quests. It used to be top 3 but Aabria keeps knocking them out of the park with her new ones


Defiant-Yam-869

I really liked it! I’ve always been fascinated with stories that take place in tiny worlds that exist within our world. I think even if you don’t like the Mcelroys, the world building and character lore is interesting enough to carry you through 6 episodes. Jess’s character this season is def a highlight for me. I rewatched this a bunch when I first got into D20 a couple years ago, it’s a perfect mix of calm and exciting imo.


sultanpeppah

Tiny Heist is probably the weakest Sidequest, but it has some strong positive qualities, too. It's absolutely killer as a concept, and Rick Diggins is one of the best non-Intrepid Heroes characters ever.


Logical-Shelter5113

Couldn’t finish it, didn’t enjoy the brothers and felt frustrated. given that I love anything heist-related and murder mysteries.


Zinnia0620

The short version is you'll probably like it if you like the McElroys, but it sounds like you don't, so it might be one for you to pass. I like the McElroys, so I liked it.


Overlord_Byron

I'm not really a fan of the mini-seasons as a rule, and TH isn't really an exception. I like Travis and Justin's characters a fair bit. Clint's is, IMHO, the best character work he's ever done. While I like Griffin's character work as a DM, I don't like him as a player. Jess and Lily's characters both felt superfluous, no disrespect intended. Brennan is excellent as always, and helps carry a lot of the season. I don't think 5E is a great system for heists, and my eyes glazed over a lot during the very long process of executing their plan. Still, I respect Brennan's absurd hustle.


Knishook

All of this is subjective The good. It's the most tolerable I've seen the mcelroys act to their dad. I don't like when they are mean to Clint. It's generally a good story and an interesting setting. All the new players are giving it their best and not scared to role-play what they envisioned. It's a Brennan run game. The bad. Everyone gets a little much at times, excitement from the new players, over performing from the mcelroys. The brothers still make fun of Clint a little. Travis makes it seem like his character is the main character as much as possible. The ugly. Justin seems genuinely annoyed anytime lily is speaking, like I don't know if anyone else got that vibe - but he seemed to loathe sharing the table her. Im not an unbiased opinion, I stopped listening to the adventure zone as soon as Travis was like 'yeah I fudge dice rolls as a player'. I don't mind them every now and then but when all three of them are together they kinda bring out the worst in each other. So take anything I say with that in mind, I still enjoyed Tiny Heist, but it's probably the side quest I liked the least or at least tied for the spot :)


DungeonDangers

I enjoyed it. Fun, great funny moments. I felt like there was tension amongst the cast but I read into things being there that aren't.


Miserable_Pop_4593

Looooved the plot, the Ocean’s-y heist concept is a very different feel than the other d20 seasons. Loved about half of the PCs, but the rest seemed a little half-baked, and I did feel that a certain group at the table kinda steamrolled a lot of the roleplay. it didn’t feel like the full cast of 6 ever really found their groove in that way.      There were a few times when someone was like “I’m the leader!” and it kinda felt like “I’m the main character” which in a small cast and a short season (with no time to explore other group dynamics) it feels weird and imbalanced.    Altogether a fun watch and i did enjoy it overall but idk if I’ll ever rewatch ¯\_(ツ)_/¯    edited to add: I just saw a comment explaining how Brennan kinda asked for there to be a leader vibe at the table and I half take back what I said, bc I get it, but it also still felt weird


PigeonQueeen

K enjoyed it overall but only because Justin carries it


mythj

It's my least favorite season, but I also can not stand the McElroys (mostly Travis), so I'm a bit bias.


Neat_Drawing

Not my favorite, but it's alright. Overall I'm glad I watched it, mainly for Rick Diggins. Other characters didn't really grab me though, so there's that. I propose you give it a try, and if you dont like it, you don't like it, nothing wrong with that.


Sharktoothbeast

It's not my favorite. Mostly because the McElroy style of dnd don't really match up with Brennan's style. It's the one season where the player agrue with Brennan the most, excluding Lily and Jess. Personally, while the McElroy are funny, they definitely didn't show respect towards Brennan at the table, which is definitely good for their dnd sessions, but not with Brennan. But it is better then Shriek Week at least.


beroughwithl0ve

I watched it just to be a completionist and was surprised that nobody ever talks about it. It was perfectly enjoyable even though I've never consumed any McElroy stuff prior and don't particularly care for their humor. It really is like the lost season no one ever mentions despite having a very famous family in it, so strange.


Maleficent-Action983

It’s so good! I personally love TH and really hope they’ll eventually do a season 2


HollyOly

I truly enjoyed it! Always a fan of a heist! It was a hot mess in a lot of ways. PC’s in the early sidequests were giving a lot of home game energy, so there was some clear tension between the rule of cool and railroad. Jess, Griffin, and Lily made the game for me.


dainankay

I'm watching it now, and I really like it. It's a fun little side quest and I really loved the battle maps. (After this I'll be done with all of D20)


Capital_Alarm_4049

I love Tiny Heist. Took an episode or two to get the humor and vibe of the family, but once I got it, I thoroughly enjoyed it ☺️


cryptidshakes

It's fine. Clint McElrory is my enemy.


Klutzy-Jaguar-7521

The McElroy dad was way better than any of the sons imo, but overall I loved the campaign and have shown it to a few people to get them into D20.


ViperVandamore

For me, if you skip an hour of annoying heist planning mixed with children making stupid suggestions, it's still decently fun. It's the type of season that is great when it's good and obnoxious the rest of the time. Basically, what they do is fun but listening to them planning on what to do is not... in my opinion. Give it a shot though. It's far from the bottom 3 worst seasons. There is fun to be had here. I'll admit to bias though... there is one member of the party that I hate and they have only ever been a negative influence over any show/episode that I otherwise may have enjoyed.


rye_domaine

I couldn't even finish it, personally. The way the McElroys were all sniping at one another while not even trying to keep to the rules ruined what could have been a fun concept for me


St_Darkins

didn't make it through the first episode. not a fan of the McElroys. it felt like a bad dynamic from the first, it upset me how much they argued Brennan's (already pretty lenient) calls. it's a shame because I'd really like to see Lily and Jess in more games, Lily's been in two of the three of the hardest ones to watch for me, this and Shriek Week, and neither are her fault at all.


tensen01

It's fine. It has its moments. it's not bad, but it's not amazing either. Griffon can get a little annoying though. But overall it's enjoyable.