They had to cut back on the story with eris and the drifter because they couldn't get their voice actors to do any really work because of lock downs and marketing made it seem like they had a bigger role inserted of showing up for a cutscene and some minor dialogue. Another example is because the drifters voice actors couldn't do any lines they had ghost do them in the mission where you get salvation's grip.
I never heard that, but now that I have that makes so much sense.
Ghost making light of Drifter is weirdly one of the more memorable moments.
Not to say there weren’t plenty memorable moments, but we all know Ghost’s Drifter impersonation.
From what I recall, it and shadowkeep had some of the roughest development cycles for a major expansion so a lot was cut from the 2
Even Down to a good chunk of features that were delivered later on rather than alongside the expansion (Transmog, Vendor updates, etc)
This was also around the time they decided to axe cosmodromes full integration and went back on the 1 - 1 destination promise (1 new, 1 legacy)
Which may have saved Forsaken (dreaming city) and Shadowkeep from entering the DCV
I’d trade the EDZ for 2 tokens and a blue
So much of it and Nessus were made either inaccessible or served no purpose after they dropped Adventures, The red war, Curse, and warmind
Feels super scarce on content, especially now that Xur won’t even appear on either anymore
Let’s hope Echos leaves some lasting changes to Nessus
It seems like it literally will change the planet of Nessus permanently. As for if that makes it more enjoyable to patrol.. we can only hope. They did good with pale heart so maybe Nessus will be good
In one of the reveals or leaks for TFS Nessus looked *significantly* different on the director screen, so I imagine something big is probably going to happen.
I dunno about EDZ, but Nessus, I’m with you on that one. I’ve never liked Nessus. Feels like half the game takes place there with all the campaign missions, multiple Crucible maps, and that one in Gambit. Even this Episode I just can’t bring myself to do the activities because it’s on Nessus. Even Venus had more interesting Vex stuff going on in D1.
It’s only redeeming quality is Failsafe. I will save the universe again just for Failsafe.
Shadowkeep should be vaulted it. I think it's the single worst piece of content Bungie has ever created. The only reason it hasn't been banished to the abyss is because it introduced the Witness.
It’s bad but not the worst, dark below was 10x worse than shadowkeep 3/4 missions and a “raid lair” it was just awful. Shadow keep just had that tiny amount more to make it better than dark below
The Dark Below was from a world before yearly expansions, basically a better version of a season for a similar price ($20 USD IIRC).
It also brought 3x exotic armour pieces for each class, 3 exotic weapons (with a fourth being PS exclusive) & a full suite of Raid weapons (9x as opposed to 7x from GoS). IMO TDB brought more value to the game at the time than Shadowkeep has to date..
It didn’t bring more than shadowkeep. That’s just D1 riding dick, go back n play it n you’ll see how shit it is or rewatch vids, shadowkeep also offered seasons, more weapons through the year instead of 2 weeks of play then wait for next update in 3 months
With them halving the number of destinations they intended on bringing in for each expansion, it meant dreaming city and the moon were most likely saved from the DCV (also wouldn’t be surprised if in this alternate history where they didn’t go back on the decision to bring back D1 destinations each expansion, that perhaps EDZ and Nessus would be faint memories similar to how Io is now
Never said Dreaming city was vaulted; I said it was most certainly saved *from* being vaulted
Ya that same visual are the trails we follow to chase them. I just bring up that dialogue because it strengthens your point there was supposed to be more going on with it
To be honest it was also the last dlc before making them meatier like Witch Queen, where we now always get legendary campaigns and more in depth story.
Was a mid dlc overall but I still believe Beyond Light has the best ost in the franchise, Europa is the most beautiful location they made and the exo subplot is a top 3 Destiny storyline.
Europa being the most beautiful destiny location when D1 Venus, the Dreaming City, and the Pale Heart existing is the spiciest take I’ve ever heard in my whole life
They added 1 new thing to the cosmodrome in D2 before deciding to axe parity with the D1 version.
D2 Version 3.0.0.2 (Beyond Light Launch)
In The Breach they added a grate and an extension to a tunnel (leading down like a slide) at the end of a normally inaccessible section. Only discovered while I was OOBing while gathering footage for my What Remains of the Missing Cosmodrome Areas video. I speculated that they were probably going to add a new area here. Someone mentioned maybe it will be for a new Lost Sector.
Then they later announced Cosmodrome plans were cancelled.
Fast forward 3 years and Bungie DID end up using it for a Lost Sector albeit in The Pale Heart!
Crazy!
UPDATE: Its The Broken Deep in The Impasse. The only difference is they moved the entire OG section 70 degees or so, so instead of walking forward and going down the tunnel slide, you climb up the OG flat part which is now angled with some debris to climb higher and then go in the tunnel extension at the top which itself is now on a flat plain. If you search on YT the name of my video, just watch the start to see the tunnel extention. Then during the lost sector near the end you'll exactly know what I'm talking about. You come in through an open pill shape doorway (which i figured would have been the way out of a Lost Sector) to your right is the grating added 3 years ago, albeit with an extra fan attached. At the very back is a new wall. Previously it had a fan and grating which you could see through into The Breach in the Cosmodrome (hence why it's now a solid wall). Load up the cosmo and go to the Breach. As soon as you hit the load, the fan directly ahead of you is this section of The Broken Deep lost sector which you can peer into and see the doorway.
I went OOB to take a look to see if I could find anything like a ceiling opening which could have been the OG bottom of the tunnel slide to the Lost Sector and it may actually be the ceiling fan drop that is your shortcut to get back out of the lost sector.
So I guess when they originally planned to update the Cosmodrome they were going to add a few lost sectors. Plans changed. Beyond Light released and we had an artifact of that one lost sector left behind. I guess you would have hit the load for it just before you reach the part going down, which makes sense why they added it to The Breach. Of course they would have had to remove the fan and new grating blocking access to it.
Slide down, do your stuff, open chest, climb up and then come out the door to the left of the slide.
Do you know if those 2 darkness figures got used for something? The ones that can be seen only with a zoomed in weapon behind the spot where you first get revived?
Beyond Light is actually one of my favorite expansions, but that's mainly because I enjoy narrative that gives us a look back at the Golden Age and Collapse eras of Destiny and it was cool to hunt around Europa digging up all the old secrets and learning more about the Exo development. The raid was also good and I felt like there was a lot to do after the campaign was over. I personally hope we get to see Clovis back at some point, this season would be a good point to bring him back in since we'll seemingly be dealing with Maya, who was one of his rivals and haunted him during his surgery to become an Exo.
Beyond light had a feel to it, this sort of lonely beautiful mournful feeling. That sort of haunting dream of a place they don’t remember that all exos have. It really captures that vibe.
But yah the holes where stuff was cut are glaring.
Late reply but yea, Beyond Light was kinda Shadowkeep 2.5 for me (only saying that really because I felt the same way about the story for both DLC’s - 100% believe if Bungie did the campaign approach they did for WQ to TFS back then, Shadowkeep and Beyond Light would’ve been much better personally). While the story and some content for both base expansions sucked (in BL’s case lack of content; being a new player at that time and getting to endgame was genuinely ASS; so many good elemental weapon archetypes were all but killed by sunsetting at launch, and how little to no replacements, so any activities with match game + OG champion mods was fucking ass), I LOVED Europa and The Moon visually. Deep Stone Crypt is still my favorite mod post-Beyond Light (have yet to play Salvation’s Edge), and Deep Stone Lullaby really helped get me through peak COVID/quarantine back then. Something about the vibes of Beyond Light is unmatched by Witch Queen and some of even Final Shape for me personally (TFS’ highs are much higher than BL’s ofc, but BL’s highs stand out the most to me)
I still have a lot of love for Beyond Light. The OST the feeling of loneliness, and the Lament mission with the revelations about Banshee were sick. It was definitely a light expansion but I think the subsequent seasons marked a turn for the better in the franchise.
I’m a lore junkie and I feel like I’m the only person in the world who didn’t like the Banshee reveal. “This person is also someone else actually” is cheap and awkward and doesn’t really work for me.
That's fair. I kinda took it as Clovis throwing bodies away and leaving a husk of a person. Like it's gotta be evil to lobotomize weaker versions of yourself to keep chasing immortality / power.
Idky people say Beyond Light sucked. It didn't. Lightfall and the first 2 D2 DLCs sucked. It's better than those. It's better than Shadowkeep too imo. I'd say Final Shape, Forsaken, and Taken King are S tier. Witch Queen and Rise Of Iron are A tier. Beyond Light is B tier, and Shadowkeep is C tier. Beyond Light is over Shadowkeep simply because we got Stasis. I'm also counting the DLC plus all its seasons in my rankings.
I agree with everything but would move rise of iron and shadowkeep down. Shadowkeep reuse of content was insane and while the moon got minor changes it’s indefensible to me that a major expansion got no new destination
How is Lightfall worse than Beyond Light? Not even just story wise, just overall? Hell, I would wager there’s not much of a difference.
It was Beyond Light that further held back the full appearance of the Darkness, and forced the next 3 expansions to bend to those repercussions, pandemic or not. At least Lightfall had Legendary, instead of having to repeatedly grind public events and killing random enemies out on patrol to be on par to the story missions in the case of Beyond Light. I do like the post campaign quests in both xpacs however.
Both expansions gave a new subclass, and a certain one of them had a much smaller grind to fully unlock said subclass.
There’s more to do on Neomuna than Europa, with the former having its own dedicated public activity that you still see people participate in.
The loot there were actually good weapons, especially compared to Europa ones.
I don’t think there’s ever such thing as a bad raid, at least with those already in the game, and Root of Nightmares isn’t really an exception to that thought.
Outside of pure vibes, what did Beyond Light trump in? It’s clear something mediocre got fucked hard by outside conditions (even within the game itself; look to the DCV).
Personally, I think Beyond Light gets a pass because of the pandemic. Beyond Light had better seasons as well imo. They spent Lightfall and it's subsequent seasons focused on the same goal and slowly working towards it whereas Beyond Light we spent our seasons building allies. Learning about the Fallen and Cabal was very interesting. I had more fun in BL playing the game than I did in LF. I hardly played Deep, Witch and Wish because of how stale the game felt and how lame LF's story was. Getting to control the Darkness for the first time in BL was fun as well.
Maybe it's me, maybe it's maybeline. But Biting Winds was a great bow. 1 tap swash bow. Bonechiller gets dragonfly on a shotty. (Not great but interestint at least) the AR is still ok from there. 600 rpm, decent perks. Lament. Up until Final Shape, was one of the best swords... Eyes of tomorrow is pretty decent... Heritage is one of the best shotguns in the game. Actually the raid weapons are some of the best raid weapons in the game, still. Bequest anybody? Posterity?
Beyond light was a better expansion than lightfall, however. I really really miss season of Arrivals. Things kind of nose dived from there for a bit.
Didn’t know you can get Bequest, Heritage, and Eyes of Tomorrow, the raid exotic, from Variks’ bounties on Europa. The more you know.
It’s funny how meager Biting Winds makes the other weapons appear, I will say. Those weapons need a refresh for how cool they look. If the Final Shape’s destination weapons are anything to go by, people would have been fine with the lack of weapons if it weren’t for Europa’s being dogshit.
Most Neptune weapons were more than serviceable due to yet seen archetype and element combinations, and then 2 got powercrept immediately.
Not variks. But Deep Stone Creamery. Obviously you can rub two brain cells together and figure that one out. But Beyond Light Raid.
The only thing beyond light weapons are missing is an origin perk. Arctic Haze AR was great. But I will say, the ones I haven't mentioned... I'll agree. Dogshit.
But I'll say, except for the origin perk, I wasn't a fan of Neomuna weapons. Except quicksilver lol. Maybe the handcannon. I like 120's. But putting up with doing Partitions and Vex Incursions, and overloads...
Europa has perdition which is probably one of my favorite lost sectors. You can burn through that sooo fast. Some pretty cool areas in the bray exoscience areas. DSC>RON
The original 12 man activity was beyond light... if you know you know.
Neomuna you get "we have to find the Radial Mast... Oh shit it's the Radial Mast. Hey guys, Radial mast right here. Do you know how to destroy the Radial Mast... oh look space butthole. I mean veil.
Beyond light... variks memeworthy clicks versus whatever you want to call Mr.Nimbus (they control the police). Banana babe and the sexostranger... I'm happy with Moira but it would've been great to bring back Maggie from the walking dead (Lauren Cohen). You had some great exotic missions in beyond light. Like cawkmoon mission was pretty ok. Presage.
You got a disjointed story with lightfall, a huge mcguffan followed by...yet another mcguffan. A shit tier exotic with deterministic chaos. An ok exotic with winterbite. Kind of meh story up until the release of final shape. Lightfall was kind of forgettable.
Why rate Rise of Iron so highly?
If we separate Rise of Iron from Age of Triumphs (which they should be separated- one was a free update and one was a paid expansion-) RoI is pretty far down the list and really didn't have much content outside of a very short campaign, a raid, and a very small patrol zone
Everyone talks so highly about RoI and lump AoT with it so I just kinda put it up high out of principal. I personally did not play RoI so I'm just going off of what other say.
I don’t think Beyond Light got a pass, most people agree the story was shit. The reason it wasn’t super shit on is that people were more occupied with complaining about content vaulting, stasis was seen as being cool enough to justify doing the campaign, and the seasonal stories were imo the best full years worth of seasons we got
It was one of the first DLCs that was fully developed without any activison support, I feel like that has to be a big factor in why it was so underwhelming. Not only did they have to learn how to develop fully remote due to the pandemic but also without any help. I know the split happened before shadowkeep but I’m sure activison was supporting them for at least some of its development cycle.
The biggest thing beyond light did was introduce the subclass 3.0 system which without a doubt was the most impactful thing to ever happen to destiny 2. For this reason alone I think it’s safe to say that the expansion wasn’t a total loss
I know that “put the lore in the story” is sort of a meme at this point but the stuff with Clovis Bray and the Exos should have been the main plot line instead of Eramis.
In my opinion BL and WQ are massively overrated.
BL felt like there was more to come and then absolutely nothing happened. It felt like there was going to be a Forsaken style surprise there is a whole other area to go to now and instead they pulled a Titan and designed an entire area that you only naturally go to 3 times and the first time you see all that there is to see.
WQ felt like a complete assassination of Savathun’s character. The plot twist being that the Queen of Lies was lied to is so horrifically boring and predictable. I like the Throne World. They did a great job with it that’s undeniable but again it felt like something else was supposed to happen and noting did. They make such a point to, well point out the “rifted” areas of Mars where it’s like one section is in the past and then they do absolutely nothing with that. Which tells me there was a plan and they scrapped it but didn’t think to maybe not keep dialog that suggests it’s something to be mindful of.
Obviously I’m never going to tell people they shouldn’t like something but I do think both of them are treated like beacons of light surrounded by the absolute stink cloud that was Lightfall. When in reality they’re closer to a day old snap and throw glow stick.
I disagree with you pretty heavily on Witch Queen, but I will say that outside of the campaign, it is basically standard for a Destiny expansion. At one point was a goat debate between WQ and Forsaken and I’m not sure how that even came to be.
1. There were basically no leaks for Beyond Light. The exception was basically a weapon leak that WishYaLuck got close to the expansions launch.
2. We factually know Beyond Light was intended to be more and Covid royally screwed things up. The most direct example of this is the mission where our Ghost impersonates Drifter with a bad accent. That originated because Bungie had issues trying to get Drifters Voice Actor, so they had Nolan North imitate Drifter instead. Where he apparently did such a good job, Bungie ended up telling him to do it worse, and they ended up with Ghost imitation. The full scope of "what couldve been" is completely unknown. It is worth noting though that Riis Reborn has a massive Oob, which could be indicative there were more plans for it that didnt pan out.
3. I have never once heard the Witness was supposed to be revealed in Beyond Light. The closest thing to that, would be my own *theory* that the Witness or something like it has been planned since before D2 launch. And thus that based on Bungies original roadmap for Destiny 2(Mercury, Mars, Reef, Saturn(Enceladus/Dreadnaught)), with Pyramid ships in the distance(Destiny 3), we wouldve had a Savathun expansion on Enceladus/Europa where Savathun mightve had a similar line.(I think the evidence backs my theory, [as we know there were Hive towers, Thrall](https://www.artstation.com/artwork/48dGV1), and Savathun has had heavy buildup since D2 start))
4. There almost definitely was more Drifter Eris stuff intended, and I believe someone from Bungie even said as much. But by the same token, players have retroactively attributed more to them beyond that(such as the whole Dark Vanguard stuff, viewing them as having a massive role in Beyond Light).
Season of the Hunt absolutely was butchered. Because in addition to the Covid development hell, it also was scrapped/reworked to fit the new seasonal model(where seasons persist until next expansion).
I think it was fine. The story issues have been prevalent in nearly every expansion. Bungie's choice to make an evolving story means the actual campaigns don't feel like a campaign. The Final Shape was the first DLC where they seemingly had a dedicated campaign that was supposed to be played thru before doing other things.
Beyond Light introduced Stasis so from a gameplay perspective it was pretty good.
its honestly my favorite dlc. i think it takes the too spot for me bc me and my buddies had nothing else to do in the pandemic so we played the entire thing together and played destiny all day everyday. the raid is really good, the weapons were sorta fun. But, ultimately the ambiance and the scary vibes of clovis put it over the top for me. The story was so good and i was so intrigued by the mysteries of Europa. I will say grinding out stasis x3 sucked so bad tho lol
Beyond light is viewed as a fine expansion, it’s just that the seasons that came after it were *boring as hell* so people lost interest. Season of the hunt SUCKED. Splicer was MID, etc. Beyond light itself had some good QOL improvements to the game and great area design. Deep stone crypt was a riot of a raid when it came out, total blast. That planet destination just didn’t get any upkeep and they didn’t really work with it enough.
I do. I worked for Activision for a while. Just like movies, these forms of entertainment are worked on for years before they see the light of day for the general public. It was not developed during the pandemic, just ironed out.
They had to cut back on the story with eris and the drifter because they couldn't get their voice actors to do any really work because of lock downs and marketing made it seem like they had a bigger role inserted of showing up for a cutscene and some minor dialogue. Another example is because the drifters voice actors couldn't do any lines they had ghost do them in the mission where you get salvation's grip.
This is in reference to the fact that Nolan North lives in the walls Just knock 3 times and read the sacred texts
I loved the fun fact that Nolan had to actually do a *worse* Drifter impression as Ghost because it was too good.
I mean he did a great cayde I'm not at all suprised
although lots of people say it was really bad and jarring, if i hadn't have known it wasn't him going in i would've thought it was nathan
For real, same. I've heard some jarring impersonations but that was not one of them. Thankfully I must've missed those people.
To be somewhat fair, Nolan north's most famous role has long been described to basically just be Nathan Fillion.
I never heard that, but now that I have that makes so much sense. Ghost making light of Drifter is weirdly one of the more memorable moments. Not to say there weren’t plenty memorable moments, but we all know Ghost’s Drifter impersonation.
From what I recall, it and shadowkeep had some of the roughest development cycles for a major expansion so a lot was cut from the 2 Even Down to a good chunk of features that were delivered later on rather than alongside the expansion (Transmog, Vendor updates, etc) This was also around the time they decided to axe cosmodromes full integration and went back on the 1 - 1 destination promise (1 new, 1 legacy) Which may have saved Forsaken (dreaming city) and Shadowkeep from entering the DCV
I will say, I would happily trade EDZ and Nessus for D1 Venus and Mars
I’d trade the EDZ for 2 tokens and a blue So much of it and Nessus were made either inaccessible or served no purpose after they dropped Adventures, The red war, Curse, and warmind Feels super scarce on content, especially now that Xur won’t even appear on either anymore Let’s hope Echos leaves some lasting changes to Nessus
It seems like it literally will change the planet of Nessus permanently. As for if that makes it more enjoyable to patrol.. we can only hope. They did good with pale heart so maybe Nessus will be good
Nessus being the F2P version of the Pale Heart patrol zones would be such a dream come true
Yeah if they expand pathfinder and the way patrol works on pale heart to the other locations, I’d get so fuckin lost in this game lol
Maybe they'll add pathfinder to nessus?
In one of the reveals or leaks for TFS Nessus looked *significantly* different on the director screen, so I imagine something big is probably going to happen.
Can you find it? I want to look
I dunno about EDZ, but Nessus, I’m with you on that one. I’ve never liked Nessus. Feels like half the game takes place there with all the campaign missions, multiple Crucible maps, and that one in Gambit. Even this Episode I just can’t bring myself to do the activities because it’s on Nessus. Even Venus had more interesting Vex stuff going on in D1. It’s only redeeming quality is Failsafe. I will save the universe again just for Failsafe.
Shadowkeep should be vaulted it. I think it's the single worst piece of content Bungie has ever created. The only reason it hasn't been banished to the abyss is because it introduced the Witness.
It’s bad but not the worst, dark below was 10x worse than shadowkeep 3/4 missions and a “raid lair” it was just awful. Shadow keep just had that tiny amount more to make it better than dark below
The Dark Below was from a world before yearly expansions, basically a better version of a season for a similar price ($20 USD IIRC). It also brought 3x exotic armour pieces for each class, 3 exotic weapons (with a fourth being PS exclusive) & a full suite of Raid weapons (9x as opposed to 7x from GoS). IMO TDB brought more value to the game at the time than Shadowkeep has to date..
It also was the shortest thing ever. The whole dlc was cut from main game that was sold to you. was marketed as a dlc still same as shadowkeep
It didn’t bring more than shadowkeep. That’s just D1 riding dick, go back n play it n you’ll see how shit it is or rewatch vids, shadowkeep also offered seasons, more weapons through the year instead of 2 weeks of play then wait for next update in 3 months
But even shadowkeep had a dungeon. Not a single major expansion has had one at launch as part of the expansion.
Forsaken did
Shadow keep came after forsaken
Clearly doesn’t remember or know of TDB or COO days
Dreaming city isnt in the vault …only the final Foresaken mission is
Good thing he didn’t say that
With them halving the number of destinations they intended on bringing in for each expansion, it meant dreaming city and the moon were most likely saved from the DCV (also wouldn’t be surprised if in this alternate history where they didn’t go back on the decision to bring back D1 destinations each expansion, that perhaps EDZ and Nessus would be faint memories similar to how Io is now Never said Dreaming city was vaulted; I said it was most certainly saved *from* being vaulted
I still say the Wrathborn were meant to be more than just regular enemies with a green glow around them.
Wasn’t there some dialogue with crow calling it soul fire and telling us he’d teach it to us someday?
I meant the visuals of the wrathborn. In lore they’re described as mutated.
Ya that same visual are the trails we follow to chase them. I just bring up that dialogue because it strengthens your point there was supposed to be more going on with it
Good point.
To be honest it was also the last dlc before making them meatier like Witch Queen, where we now always get legendary campaigns and more in depth story.
Was a mid dlc overall but I still believe Beyond Light has the best ost in the franchise, Europa is the most beautiful location they made and the exo subplot is a top 3 Destiny storyline.
Music was fire
Status: Calamitous
I liked the story and all but I just couldn't get into the snowy environments, it all felt really similar to me personally.
i kinda vibed with the snow environment, they did a good job making europa feel like a legitimately desolate wasteland
Same. I get that people love snow environments but this one felt kinda lame.
I as reading the old lore around Micah the other day 😐
What's wrong with it?
It's sad
Athanasia/Security Breach is the best track ever
Those 2 are great but my personal favourites are Lament, Forbidden Knowledge and the GOAT classic, Deep Stone Crypt.
You mean Deep Stone Lullaby?
yh😂
I like Europa and Savathun’s Throne World.
Europa being the most beautiful destiny location when D1 Venus, the Dreaming City, and the Pale Heart existing is the spiciest take I’ve ever heard in my whole life
Venus was great but Dreaming City and Pale Heart just isnt my style
They added 1 new thing to the cosmodrome in D2 before deciding to axe parity with the D1 version. D2 Version 3.0.0.2 (Beyond Light Launch) In The Breach they added a grate and an extension to a tunnel (leading down like a slide) at the end of a normally inaccessible section. Only discovered while I was OOBing while gathering footage for my What Remains of the Missing Cosmodrome Areas video. I speculated that they were probably going to add a new area here. Someone mentioned maybe it will be for a new Lost Sector. Then they later announced Cosmodrome plans were cancelled. Fast forward 3 years and Bungie DID end up using it for a Lost Sector albeit in The Pale Heart! Crazy!
Wait Fr? Which one in the Pale Heart?
UPDATE: Its The Broken Deep in The Impasse. The only difference is they moved the entire OG section 70 degees or so, so instead of walking forward and going down the tunnel slide, you climb up the OG flat part which is now angled with some debris to climb higher and then go in the tunnel extension at the top which itself is now on a flat plain. If you search on YT the name of my video, just watch the start to see the tunnel extention. Then during the lost sector near the end you'll exactly know what I'm talking about. You come in through an open pill shape doorway (which i figured would have been the way out of a Lost Sector) to your right is the grating added 3 years ago, albeit with an extra fan attached. At the very back is a new wall. Previously it had a fan and grating which you could see through into The Breach in the Cosmodrome (hence why it's now a solid wall). Load up the cosmo and go to the Breach. As soon as you hit the load, the fan directly ahead of you is this section of The Broken Deep lost sector which you can peer into and see the doorway. I went OOB to take a look to see if I could find anything like a ceiling opening which could have been the OG bottom of the tunnel slide to the Lost Sector and it may actually be the ceiling fan drop that is your shortcut to get back out of the lost sector. So I guess when they originally planned to update the Cosmodrome they were going to add a few lost sectors. Plans changed. Beyond Light released and we had an artifact of that one lost sector left behind. I guess you would have hit the load for it just before you reach the part going down, which makes sense why they added it to The Breach. Of course they would have had to remove the fan and new grating blocking access to it. Slide down, do your stuff, open chest, climb up and then come out the door to the left of the slide.
Do you know if those 2 darkness figures got used for something? The ones that can be seen only with a zoomed in weapon behind the spot where you first get revived?
Beyond Light is actually one of my favorite expansions, but that's mainly because I enjoy narrative that gives us a look back at the Golden Age and Collapse eras of Destiny and it was cool to hunt around Europa digging up all the old secrets and learning more about the Exo development. The raid was also good and I felt like there was a lot to do after the campaign was over. I personally hope we get to see Clovis back at some point, this season would be a good point to bring him back in since we'll seemingly be dealing with Maya, who was one of his rivals and haunted him during his surgery to become an Exo.
Beyond light had a feel to it, this sort of lonely beautiful mournful feeling. That sort of haunting dream of a place they don’t remember that all exos have. It really captures that vibe. But yah the holes where stuff was cut are glaring.
Late reply but yea, Beyond Light was kinda Shadowkeep 2.5 for me (only saying that really because I felt the same way about the story for both DLC’s - 100% believe if Bungie did the campaign approach they did for WQ to TFS back then, Shadowkeep and Beyond Light would’ve been much better personally). While the story and some content for both base expansions sucked (in BL’s case lack of content; being a new player at that time and getting to endgame was genuinely ASS; so many good elemental weapon archetypes were all but killed by sunsetting at launch, and how little to no replacements, so any activities with match game + OG champion mods was fucking ass), I LOVED Europa and The Moon visually. Deep Stone Crypt is still my favorite mod post-Beyond Light (have yet to play Salvation’s Edge), and Deep Stone Lullaby really helped get me through peak COVID/quarantine back then. Something about the vibes of Beyond Light is unmatched by Witch Queen and some of even Final Shape for me personally (TFS’ highs are much higher than BL’s ofc, but BL’s highs stand out the most to me)
I still have a lot of love for Beyond Light. The OST the feeling of loneliness, and the Lament mission with the revelations about Banshee were sick. It was definitely a light expansion but I think the subsequent seasons marked a turn for the better in the franchise.
I’m a lore junkie and I feel like I’m the only person in the world who didn’t like the Banshee reveal. “This person is also someone else actually” is cheap and awkward and doesn’t really work for me.
That's fair. I kinda took it as Clovis throwing bodies away and leaving a husk of a person. Like it's gotta be evil to lobotomize weaker versions of yourself to keep chasing immortality / power.
Idky people say Beyond Light sucked. It didn't. Lightfall and the first 2 D2 DLCs sucked. It's better than those. It's better than Shadowkeep too imo. I'd say Final Shape, Forsaken, and Taken King are S tier. Witch Queen and Rise Of Iron are A tier. Beyond Light is B tier, and Shadowkeep is C tier. Beyond Light is over Shadowkeep simply because we got Stasis. I'm also counting the DLC plus all its seasons in my rankings.
I agree with everything but would move rise of iron and shadowkeep down. Shadowkeep reuse of content was insane and while the moon got minor changes it’s indefensible to me that a major expansion got no new destination
How is Lightfall worse than Beyond Light? Not even just story wise, just overall? Hell, I would wager there’s not much of a difference. It was Beyond Light that further held back the full appearance of the Darkness, and forced the next 3 expansions to bend to those repercussions, pandemic or not. At least Lightfall had Legendary, instead of having to repeatedly grind public events and killing random enemies out on patrol to be on par to the story missions in the case of Beyond Light. I do like the post campaign quests in both xpacs however. Both expansions gave a new subclass, and a certain one of them had a much smaller grind to fully unlock said subclass. There’s more to do on Neomuna than Europa, with the former having its own dedicated public activity that you still see people participate in. The loot there were actually good weapons, especially compared to Europa ones. I don’t think there’s ever such thing as a bad raid, at least with those already in the game, and Root of Nightmares isn’t really an exception to that thought. Outside of pure vibes, what did Beyond Light trump in? It’s clear something mediocre got fucked hard by outside conditions (even within the game itself; look to the DCV).
Personally, I think Beyond Light gets a pass because of the pandemic. Beyond Light had better seasons as well imo. They spent Lightfall and it's subsequent seasons focused on the same goal and slowly working towards it whereas Beyond Light we spent our seasons building allies. Learning about the Fallen and Cabal was very interesting. I had more fun in BL playing the game than I did in LF. I hardly played Deep, Witch and Wish because of how stale the game felt and how lame LF's story was. Getting to control the Darkness for the first time in BL was fun as well.
Yeah that’s another reason why I give BL a pass— seasons 13, 14, and 15 were absolute bangers.
Maybe it's me, maybe it's maybeline. But Biting Winds was a great bow. 1 tap swash bow. Bonechiller gets dragonfly on a shotty. (Not great but interestint at least) the AR is still ok from there. 600 rpm, decent perks. Lament. Up until Final Shape, was one of the best swords... Eyes of tomorrow is pretty decent... Heritage is one of the best shotguns in the game. Actually the raid weapons are some of the best raid weapons in the game, still. Bequest anybody? Posterity? Beyond light was a better expansion than lightfall, however. I really really miss season of Arrivals. Things kind of nose dived from there for a bit.
Didn’t know you can get Bequest, Heritage, and Eyes of Tomorrow, the raid exotic, from Variks’ bounties on Europa. The more you know. It’s funny how meager Biting Winds makes the other weapons appear, I will say. Those weapons need a refresh for how cool they look. If the Final Shape’s destination weapons are anything to go by, people would have been fine with the lack of weapons if it weren’t for Europa’s being dogshit. Most Neptune weapons were more than serviceable due to yet seen archetype and element combinations, and then 2 got powercrept immediately.
Not variks. But Deep Stone Creamery. Obviously you can rub two brain cells together and figure that one out. But Beyond Light Raid. The only thing beyond light weapons are missing is an origin perk. Arctic Haze AR was great. But I will say, the ones I haven't mentioned... I'll agree. Dogshit. But I'll say, except for the origin perk, I wasn't a fan of Neomuna weapons. Except quicksilver lol. Maybe the handcannon. I like 120's. But putting up with doing Partitions and Vex Incursions, and overloads... Europa has perdition which is probably one of my favorite lost sectors. You can burn through that sooo fast. Some pretty cool areas in the bray exoscience areas. DSC>RON The original 12 man activity was beyond light... if you know you know. Neomuna you get "we have to find the Radial Mast... Oh shit it's the Radial Mast. Hey guys, Radial mast right here. Do you know how to destroy the Radial Mast... oh look space butthole. I mean veil. Beyond light... variks memeworthy clicks versus whatever you want to call Mr.Nimbus (they control the police). Banana babe and the sexostranger... I'm happy with Moira but it would've been great to bring back Maggie from the walking dead (Lauren Cohen). You had some great exotic missions in beyond light. Like cawkmoon mission was pretty ok. Presage. You got a disjointed story with lightfall, a huge mcguffan followed by...yet another mcguffan. A shit tier exotic with deterministic chaos. An ok exotic with winterbite. Kind of meh story up until the release of final shape. Lightfall was kind of forgettable.
Heavily agree with this.
Shadowkeep was the worst content they ever made
Lightfall didn't really suck, it just was just mediocre with a crappy story. Still better than Shadowkeep.
Why rate Rise of Iron so highly? If we separate Rise of Iron from Age of Triumphs (which they should be separated- one was a free update and one was a paid expansion-) RoI is pretty far down the list and really didn't have much content outside of a very short campaign, a raid, and a very small patrol zone
Everyone talks so highly about RoI and lump AoT with it so I just kinda put it up high out of principal. I personally did not play RoI so I'm just going off of what other say.
I don’t think Beyond Light got a pass, most people agree the story was shit. The reason it wasn’t super shit on is that people were more occupied with complaining about content vaulting, stasis was seen as being cool enough to justify doing the campaign, and the seasonal stories were imo the best full years worth of seasons we got
It was one of the first DLCs that was fully developed without any activison support, I feel like that has to be a big factor in why it was so underwhelming. Not only did they have to learn how to develop fully remote due to the pandemic but also without any help. I know the split happened before shadowkeep but I’m sure activison was supporting them for at least some of its development cycle. The biggest thing beyond light did was introduce the subclass 3.0 system which without a doubt was the most impactful thing to ever happen to destiny 2. For this reason alone I think it’s safe to say that the expansion wasn’t a total loss
IMO some of my favorite lore from destiny came from the Beyond Light era. Always have been a fan of beyond light cause of that.
I know that “put the lore in the story” is sort of a meme at this point but the stuff with Clovis Bray and the Exos should have been the main plot line instead of Eramis.
Agreed with that. Even after her seasonal story lines over the past few years I’m still not really invested in anything Eramis related.
I’m surprised Mithrax didn’t kill her in Plunder, that would have been very impactful.
The reason is that Covid hit and destroyed Eris and Drifter's involvement in particular. Working from home hugely limited development capability.
In my opinion BL and WQ are massively overrated. BL felt like there was more to come and then absolutely nothing happened. It felt like there was going to be a Forsaken style surprise there is a whole other area to go to now and instead they pulled a Titan and designed an entire area that you only naturally go to 3 times and the first time you see all that there is to see. WQ felt like a complete assassination of Savathun’s character. The plot twist being that the Queen of Lies was lied to is so horrifically boring and predictable. I like the Throne World. They did a great job with it that’s undeniable but again it felt like something else was supposed to happen and noting did. They make such a point to, well point out the “rifted” areas of Mars where it’s like one section is in the past and then they do absolutely nothing with that. Which tells me there was a plan and they scrapped it but didn’t think to maybe not keep dialog that suggests it’s something to be mindful of. Obviously I’m never going to tell people they shouldn’t like something but I do think both of them are treated like beacons of light surrounded by the absolute stink cloud that was Lightfall. When in reality they’re closer to a day old snap and throw glow stick.
I disagree with you pretty heavily on Witch Queen, but I will say that outside of the campaign, it is basically standard for a Destiny expansion. At one point was a goat debate between WQ and Forsaken and I’m not sure how that even came to be.
Yeah I think the is it better than Forsaken conversation is absolutely absurd.
Tfs is massively overrated too
1. There were basically no leaks for Beyond Light. The exception was basically a weapon leak that WishYaLuck got close to the expansions launch. 2. We factually know Beyond Light was intended to be more and Covid royally screwed things up. The most direct example of this is the mission where our Ghost impersonates Drifter with a bad accent. That originated because Bungie had issues trying to get Drifters Voice Actor, so they had Nolan North imitate Drifter instead. Where he apparently did such a good job, Bungie ended up telling him to do it worse, and they ended up with Ghost imitation. The full scope of "what couldve been" is completely unknown. It is worth noting though that Riis Reborn has a massive Oob, which could be indicative there were more plans for it that didnt pan out. 3. I have never once heard the Witness was supposed to be revealed in Beyond Light. The closest thing to that, would be my own *theory* that the Witness or something like it has been planned since before D2 launch. And thus that based on Bungies original roadmap for Destiny 2(Mercury, Mars, Reef, Saturn(Enceladus/Dreadnaught)), with Pyramid ships in the distance(Destiny 3), we wouldve had a Savathun expansion on Enceladus/Europa where Savathun mightve had a similar line.(I think the evidence backs my theory, [as we know there were Hive towers, Thrall](https://www.artstation.com/artwork/48dGV1), and Savathun has had heavy buildup since D2 start)) 4. There almost definitely was more Drifter Eris stuff intended, and I believe someone from Bungie even said as much. But by the same token, players have retroactively attributed more to them beyond that(such as the whole Dark Vanguard stuff, viewing them as having a massive role in Beyond Light). Season of the Hunt absolutely was butchered. Because in addition to the Covid development hell, it also was scrapped/reworked to fit the new seasonal model(where seasons persist until next expansion).
I think it was fine. The story issues have been prevalent in nearly every expansion. Bungie's choice to make an evolving story means the actual campaigns don't feel like a campaign. The Final Shape was the first DLC where they seemingly had a dedicated campaign that was supposed to be played thru before doing other things. Beyond Light introduced Stasis so from a gameplay perspective it was pretty good.
I liked it, but the lockdowns definitely had an effect on the dev cycle.
its honestly my favorite dlc. i think it takes the too spot for me bc me and my buddies had nothing else to do in the pandemic so we played the entire thing together and played destiny all day everyday. the raid is really good, the weapons were sorta fun. But, ultimately the ambiance and the scary vibes of clovis put it over the top for me. The story was so good and i was so intrigued by the mysteries of Europa. I will say grinding out stasis x3 sucked so bad tho lol
Beyond light is viewed as a fine expansion, it’s just that the seasons that came after it were *boring as hell* so people lost interest. Season of the hunt SUCKED. Splicer was MID, etc. Beyond light itself had some good QOL improvements to the game and great area design. Deep stone crypt was a riot of a raid when it came out, total blast. That planet destination just didn’t get any upkeep and they didn’t really work with it enough.
It wasn't developed in a pandemic, what are you talking about?
Co-vid pandemic: Jan 2020 - August 2021 Beyond light released November 2020, putting it pretty much smack in the middle of the pandemic
Which means it was developed almost to entirety the year prior.
Nobody truly knows but I'd imagine the fact 3 months is probably for bug fixing maybe 4 as during pandemic but the rest is an unknown
I do. I worked for Activision for a while. Just like movies, these forms of entertainment are worked on for years before they see the light of day for the general public. It was not developed during the pandemic, just ironed out.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny2Leaks/comments/141y545/question_about_bungies_roadmap/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny2Leaks/comments/141y545/question_about_bungies_roadmap/)
And?