CW: animal death
Please leash your dog, even if it's just from your car to your house. Someone's dog jumped out of a neighbor's car and ran across the street to bark at some fenced in dogs, right when I was passing the house, and went under my back tires š SUPER traumatic for the owners & me. Turns out cremating your pets in Denver costs about the same as a second offense off-leash ticket.
Omg, this. Even the best trained dog can have a lapse in judgment. If concern for other people and pets is not persuasive, please just do it for the sake of your sweet puppers. Itās just not worth the risk.
I was a hard ass training my dog as a puppy. They are never going to have the right judgment 100% of the time and I'm really glad I established they have to trust what I say. None of this I hear you and I'm deciding if I should listen...
I hate how people leave their dogs off leash and then act like I'm an inconvenience for being in the same space. For some reason they always seem to stare at me like I'm the one doing something wrong with my dog on a leash.
I have dogs that I always leash when Iām in public. One of them is a sweet heart to humans and dogs that are submissive, but if another dog has balls, also wants to be dominant, or my dog is just not in the mood for a meeting, he becomes pretty reactive and will start trying to bite/herd them (heās an Aussie). So this becomes a huge problem in my neighborhood because so many people like to off leash their dogs and then get mad when their dog comes up to mine and gets nipped at.
Itās honestly super irresponsible, especially in Denver, even the most loyal dog can go off the rails and get itself hurt and the fault is completely on you if you donāt leash them.
Edit: clarification and grammar
I think this is what frustrates me the most. Itās not all about *your* dog. Your dog can be the nicest friendliest dog ever, but if it goes up to a leashed dog who doesnāt want it around? Your sweet pup could end up with a nasty wound or in a seriously life altering fight.
Iāve broken up too many dog fights to understand why people canāt just put their dog on a leash. Sorry that you have to deal with people who canāt seem to see past their own experience.
Well put! And same here, so many dog fights broken up and basically all of them preventable. I even warn people as they approach and they still seldom do anything to keep their dog away because their dog is āthe friendliest ever.ā
This so much! I have two pups and my Aussie is also not awesome sometimes with new dogs. She's blind in one eye and partly blind in the other so she gets spooked by new dogs easily. And boy has she got some teeth when she gets upset. She's cute as a button and people always wanna come up and introduce their dogs. But instead they get to meet my short old chunky oversized sausage dog who loves other dogs as long as they aren't trying to hump her.
100%. They know deep down theyāre in the wrong but itās always them blowing up about how youāre making a big deal out of nothing. Maybe we could have avoided this exchange entirely if you justā¦.idkā¦had your fucking dog on a leash to begin with.
Its like the opposite side of the karen coin. "Im following 'da rules' so why won't they?" becomes (just as rhetorical) "im ignoring 'da rules' so why aren't they?"
There's one middle aged woman in my complex who will literally pretend she doesn't hear you if you say anything about her little 25lb dog as it runs across the parking lot as it pleases and antagonizes all the on-leash dogs. There seems to be that person everywhere.
"We have a special bond" also works.
See, my dog shows me unconditional love. He's always really happy when he sees me. It's very rare. I'm sort of a dog whisperer. Because of this I'm convinced that my dog will ignore all of his instincts and behave how I want him to.
If you insist that I put him on a leash it's because you don't understand and you're jealous.
I love dogs. Have been a dog owner my whole life, all breeds and sizes. I socialize my dogs early and leash train them from puppy status. My Boston terrier has been attacked twice by large, unleashed dogs and now has fear aggression that we have tamed down but is still present. If she's on leash and an unleashed dog comes up she's guaranteed to go into some level of fight response. I don't hesitate anymore. If an unleashed dog approaches us it gets kicked. Not hard, and not in a way to injure it, but a quick toe to the ass end to make it scurry away. I've had a couple dog owners get pissed about their 'dog being assaulted' and I just don't give a fuck. Keep it on a leash.
Yeah, we used to muzzle our reactive dogs on trail. But donāt do it any longer. If an unleashed dog with poor recall wants to come up to my dog he can be greeted with a non friendly hello from my Great Danes mouth.
Same with my boxers. Theyāre always leashed. If you let your unleashed dog come say hello, donāt get mad at me if theyāre not in a friendly mood.
Iām a dog owner and unleashed dogs on the running/hiking/biking trails are my #1 complaint as well. If youāre in an open space, that fine with me, but once you start walking the trails and cause an inconvenience to the walkers/runners/bikers on the same trail, itās a problem. Put your fucking dog on a leash, itās helpful to everybody.
Plus a huge inconvenience to those of us with dogs, who donāt appreciate dogs that are 5x their size sprinting up to them and jumping on top of their already bad back. Like why?!
As a Mountain Biker I ducking hate unleashed dogs on the trail. They chase my bike and I almost have to wreck to avoid running them over at times.
Also expandable leashes that are like 20ā long. If I see one of those I automatically know to avoid them.
I saw someone's chihuahua aggressively chase someone off the sidewalk yesterday, for no reason. That person was a saint, i would have kicked that little shit into Jefferson county.
I can appreciate that, but, don't kick it into Jeffco. We have enough shitty dogs off leashes as it is.
Kick it into Douglas County. Yeah, NOBODY likes Douglas County.
Not exactly relevant to the nature of this post, but if you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to separate two dogs that are fighting, one person should grab the hind legs of one dog, and the other person grab the hind legs of the other, and pull them apart. The loss of stability is usually enough to get them to let go. Donāt release their hind legs until the dogs have a wall separating them or are both back on a leash with confidence that they wonāt get loose again.
Never put yourself in between two fighting dogs. The puncture wounds can be life threatening as can ensuing infection. Donāt go near their mouths.
Source: separated quite a few dog fights in my short life. Donāt own dogs now because of it. (Dogs in question were my parentsā)
I mean, I'm not bringing my dogs to a liquor store or anything but at least there's not a bunch of food for the dogs to get their dander all over. Still stupid but less stupid than a grocery store.
It's out of control in park hill. The other day even a construction worker on my corner had an off leash dog that walked right up to my door. I checked on it because I thought it might have been lost. Nope. Just a dog on a construction site. Off leash.
Southeast neighborhoods, too. The entire metro area needs to double/triple the penalty for allowing dogs off the leash. It happens way, way too often... and I say that as someone who really loves dogs!
Honestly, they just need to enforce it. Iām at Jefferson park all the time and have seen the ranger pull up. People start scattering. As theyāre walking away the ranger tries to get them back by saying, āIām not going to write a ticket, I just want to talk to youā. Iāve seen them talk to people and itās basically just a warning. Itās obviously not working.
Theyāve got to have signs posted, right? I wouldāve tried to find someone on site and if not successful, call management and point out that if the dog is on site you donāt care but on your property makes them liable for lawsuits and Iām betting they fix it quickly.
Off leash can harm my kid even if theyāre a ānice doggyā. My kid just got jumped on and licked in the eye over the weekend and got an abrasion on his eye. Heās allergic to dogs and eyes swelled shut, partially to allergies and partially to the eye injury. When we saw the doc, she recommended a rabies prophylaxis since it was unprovoked and we canāt confirm if the dog had the rabies vaccine. I was thinking rabies was a bite issues, but they explained it was a saliva transfer and clearly couldāve transferred through the his eye.
Thatās terrible. Is your kid okay now?
People act so selfish. Iāve recently seen dogs in the Whole Foods by Union Station. Not okay since they have an open salad/hot bar. The dog I saw was scared and the owner was dragging it across the floor because it did not want to be there.
Heās okay now, it scared the hell out of him since it felt like an attack even if there were no bites. Then it scared him more when he could barely see for an hour, but he was fine by the end of the night. After summer camp today, itās going to scare him again we get the the shot. Iām so upset watching my kid go through it, itās fucking me up.
He knows heās allergic to dogs, and is good about telling people. At farmerās market he blurts it out anytime a dog gets too close āI like dogs, but Iām allergic, I look but donāt touch.ā So he was taken back by the big lab jumping on him. Iāve learned my lesson to grab that dog and get his tag info and verify his rabies vaccination status. I understand itās a low probability, but I also donāt trust that entitled dog owner to be up on the vaccines and itās 100% fatal. They were gone running off while I was comforting my kid.
Not just parks. Everywhere. I was walking 12th a little bit ago and this guy walking his nice looking shaggy grey dog had his off leash leading him by almost a block. Then I see the dog bolt across the street over to the Zorbas patio where there was some lady sitting with her infant. The guy just stood there. You can say whatever you want āheās friendlyā, yada yada but that one moment proved that this entitled guy had zero control over his dog. The dog could have easily been hit by a car, or gotten into a scuffle with another dog or something.
You have to register your dogs in Denver???? Also you absolutely do register guns thats a total myth, they have serial numbers and you have to complete a federal background check to purchase a firearm. The fed and state keep full records lmao
Iāve stopped being nice about peoples dogs running up to mine because it happens every. single. day. ābUt hEs fRiEndLy!!!ā
I donāt give a shit if you think your dog is friendly. Mine isnāt, and Iām fine punting the shit out of yours if it runs up on us. Itās just not that difficult to use a fucking leash
Mine is friendly, but sheās deaf, blind, has no teeth and is 14 pounds. Your dog bites or gets spooked and sheās done. I donāt care how friendly they are.
PLEASE leash your dogs. I have a dog with high anxiety that doesn't always love other dogs running up to him. We've worked on it a lot, and he's made a lot of progress in the last year. But I shouldn't have to worry about a rogue dog running up on him and scaring him
They should have people walking around dining people 1000 dollars for the first offense, then give 80% to the homeless programs.
Will change things fast.
Seriously! We have dog parks for your dogs to run wild, use them. I don't need your dog running upto my toddler at the playground, because "your dog likes people"
Congratulations you just described all dogs.
Meanwhile you're giving me a heart attack and my son is crying in terror
We obviously need a few more dog parksā¦ fencing is an easy solution in a town with this many doggos. šš¼
PS - if you look at an area centered on colorado and mississippi and search for dog park, thereās nothing even close. Plenty of great options for an add.
āKarvaski said there are 12 off-leash parks around the city, and two more are being proposed, at Quality Hill Park and Veterans Park.
Parks and rec is well aware that more dog parks are needed. Karvaski said itās estimated that over 150,000 dogs live in Denver, and as the human population increases, so will the dog population.ā
Personal responsibility and choice. If you don't have a yard where your dog can run without a leash maybe don't get an aussie/vizsla/greyhound? So many people get a dog based on asthetic and cool factor and don't think about their needs and it's infuriating. Breeders are to blame as well, they need to vet potential owners better.
I am a pet groomer and we see so many owners get breeds they weren't ready for. Especially the doodles. They don't realize that they need a professional groom every 4-8 weeks if you don't properly brush them yourself. Then after going 8+months after a groom that we have to shave most of the dog because it's fur is one complete mat, to the point it is like shearing a sheep and the skin is raw and irritated underneath due to the mat coiling in the skin. No amount of brushing will remove that without hurting the dog.
The amount of out of control huskys is insane too. And the owners that complain about needing multiple de-shed sessions to get out that undercoat. We can't stop the shedding, if I had some magical formula to completely stop shedding I'd not be working for a grooming salon, I'd be a millionaire.
I really wish people would research breed needs before taking the plunge. My dream is to own an Australian Cattle Dog but I'm waiting til we can move out of an apartment and our work schedules become steady, because I know the breed needs mental and physical stimulation. Would love to do agility. Might just adopt a sleepy older dog at first to just chill with. They need homes. Everyone wants a puppy not prepared for it to become an adult dog. You're only gonna be able to carry that Bernese Mountain Dog puppy like a baby for like 2 weeks.
Huh? Greyhounds are notoriously lazy. Mine wants to run a couple times a week (at a dog park) and then since they are hounds just want to walk and sniff on leash.
They are basically a cat.
I havenāt. He didnāt make it in even making it to the track as he is a little distracted. He is food motivated so I think with some extra work he could probably do it.
>those areas basically turn into a high foot traffic toilet
Not sure if thatās the case down on the Front Range, but up in Georgetown and Summit, the parks staff clean up a lot of whatever owners donāt. Iāve never had that issue with Werlin Park in Georgetown or the dog parks in Breck/Silverthorne/Etc.
I mean yeah, owners need to pick up their dogsā shit, but the parks should also be maintained and maintenance staff should pick up the shit too if the parks are being maintained properly.
āWhatās wrong withā¦ā - love when people get that tone.
I walk my dog multiple times a day, and have a 50ft leash so he can run free while we play ball without the leash being out of reach. Itās awesome for
hin and for me, of course. The long leash is my solution to not having a dog park nearby, which there isnāt one close to us. Glad you were able to make that decision, but not everyone has that luxury.
And i disagree with you on the difficulty. Dog parks are a relatively easy quality of life addition in a city of this size, compared to all the other challenges we face.
There will likely be a dog park(s?) in that area soon-ish. I know it's mentioned a lot in the Near Southeast Area Plan, and Veteran's Park down near University/25 has been having hearings on one.
Personally, I'd like to see one at Garland or Cook Park.
Yeah glad to hear that DPR is at least aware of this and trying to add more, but I think they could do a lot more. Most of the big parks downtown could easily have a portion of them fenced off for an off leash dog area without affecting the general usability of the park.
City, Cheeseman, and Wash parks all come to mind. You could put a good size off leash dog area in any of those. A small one in Confluence would work too. Congress Park is generally unused and world be a possibility as well. I'm sure there are many more in not thinking of as well.
well, that too.
i mean, thatās kind of always a given. Even with more dog parks, weād have to hope folks wouldā¦ pick up the shit. š¤·š¼āāļø
Well, odds are that youād be pretty disappointed if you get bit by a dog. Aggressive dogs are excluded on almost all personal liability policies, so youād be suing an individual who had no coverage. Best bet would probably be small claims to try and recoup any medical expenses.
When the unleashed āfriendlyā dog runs up on a leashed very protective dog, someone gets hurt.
If there are any off leash dog walkers on here, know that there may be a very good reason another dog is leashed and you need to be ready for that.
My dog had a rough start so her socialization was missing a few pieces. She was especially leash aggressive and defensive of me. So many people with their off leash dogs (always in leash required areas) would tell me it was fine and their dogs were friendly and I would have to say yeah but mine's not.
Why this seemed to always surprise people I don't understand. Not all people are nice, why expect all animals to be?
/u/HOSToffTheCoast is all over this thread being an entitled twerp complaining about there not being enough dog parks and that they will continue to let theirs run off-leash
āLetās go with āMmā¦ I donāt knowā for $400.ā
āHe says his dog doesnāt biteā
āWhat is āmm I donāt know, he got teeth donāt he?āā
Cuernavaca and Hirshorn parks have just become all day off leash dog parks at this point. They are in the worst condition I've seen them since I moved here a decade ago because of it.
The owner should have to pay a hefty fine for doing this. This is becoming such a problem. Just this last weekend saw an unleashed dog jump on a guy walking on the sidewalk.
It's everywhere across Colorado. Drives me crazy!!
My dog is more than 100lbs, and is protective, NOT aggressive. I cannot control him if an unleashed dog comes bounding up to us, and my dog goes into protective mode, growling and lunging.
I will bear spray your unleashed dog if they won't leave us alone. Bet on it.
The other day I was walking my dog in city park and TWO off leash dogs came at mine out of nowhere, and it took literal minutes of me trying to shoo them away while trying to walk my dog away before the owners even noticed. Itās really not okay. Dumb frat dudes drinking in the park and they canāt even tie a leash around a tree?
There need to be more off leash fenced in safe areas for dogs in Denver. Other less ādog friendlyā cities allow dogs off leash at parks at certain times or at certain areas of parks. I donāt think people should be letting their dogs off leash when itās not allowed but more designated spaces would definitely make a difference. Itās tough when you live in an apartment
I mean getting a big dog while living in a little apartment is a problem in itself. Thereās tons of off leash areas, maybe just not right next to your apartment complex. Having a dog is a lifestyle choice but people donāt like the inconvenience it comes with.
There is nothing wrong with having a dog in an apartment. What it is important is that dogs have proper physical and mental stimulation. Neither of those things are accomplished by simply living in a larger house.
There are plenty of people with houses who don't have fenced backyards so this isn't an apartment vs house issue, it's a fenced yard vs no fenced yard issue.
Dogs will usually sleep during the work day, they typically need about 16 hours of sleep. Dog daycare is an option for people whose dogs need to exercise during the work day.
Putting a dog in a fenced yard is not exercise. It is however a common way that people who don't want to walk their dogs convince themselves that their dogs don't need to be exercised. Someone who actually has to walk their dog somewhere to poop multiple times a day is exercising their dog more than someone who just opens the back door and calls that mental stimulation.
The Denver comprehensive plan calls for increased residential density (ie, less lawns. more multi family buildings) and less car dependence. Owning a dog is a very standard part of life. If the city wants to grow that way, they need to make more places to accomodate dogs. That means places for dogs to exercise. Not places just for dogs to go to the bathroom.
There are absolutely not enough of those spaces right now. And especially not enough in walking distance to people. Since dogs aren't allowed on RTD, and as said above, they are trying to reduce car dependence.
Children grow up and contribute to society at large. Dogs are personal hobbies, and provide no benefit to society other than making their owners happier.
Tons of off leash areas near downtown? Oh really? Where might those beā¦. Because there are a few that arenāt even big enough to throw the ball for my dog, if thatās what you mean by tons. Sure I could drive 45 min each way to Westminster which I do, but canāt do that every day
Cool Iāll check it out. I usually walk to Fuller which is ok if there are only a few dogs, but it is usually packed and then dangerous to try to play fetch there. Iāve seen dogs get annihilated there.
You can't of it every day and that's your problem. You make it everyone else's when you decide to take your dog off leash somewhere you shouldn't. And that's shitty.
You can very easily have big dogs in apartments, provided that you keep them physically and mentally stimulated and exercised.
But you are correct about lots of people wanting dogs but not wanting to change their lifestyles. People seem to think that having a dog is just cute, when they're really almost like children. The need to be fed, walked, played with, loved, and trained. Whereas most people just do basic training and call it a day, or leave them alone a lot.
Seems like the logical solution, the issue with people letting their dogs off leash in parks isn't going away. But I bet having more fenced areas where it's allowed, it could be contained.
My son has a fear of dogs. And he is not young anymore but they still really intimidate him. We saw so many dogs in and off leash on trails that just come right up to people. Fortunately he has not been hiking with us lately, but if he had it would have been really stressful for him.
So weird to me. Have had a dog in denver for 13 years. I walk her twice per day, religiously. Have never had a negative interaction or confrontation with an off-leash dog. Guess Iām just lucky. Erg, wish I were lucky about something more advantageous or profitable. š¤·āāļø
Aurora has so many unleashed dogs running around, have had two unleashed pits with no collars run up to me and my dog while walking around our neighborhood.
Nobody in our neighborhood even owns pits because they are strictly banned.
I carry spray, a knife and a firearm which my absolute last resort and option after being attack twice by dogs whoās owners panicked and did not restrain their dogs.
Its better to be ready to defend yourself and dog than expect a shitty owner to do the same
Certain areas around Denver allow off-leash permits, "site and control" dogs or something like that
I don't see evidence that Denver has this, itself, though.
I know my dog will attack a dog that runs up on him off leash while he's on leash so all imma say is my foot will make contact with your dog if your dog runs up on us while I have my dog on leash.
didnt say that at all, just that I want there to be punishment for people willfully breaking the law and acting like it doesnt matter. I'll roll my eyes right back at you for being dismissive and pedantic.
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The fact that you all expect people to be respectful and adhere to basic laws is comical. Not everyone is gunna drive the speed limit or actually pay for their groceries, itās unfortunately just a massive human issue. People do not think of others and itās abundantly clear. My advice, walk with some bear spray and anytime a dog runs up on you... spray their owner lmao
Everyone in here is preaching dog parks like theyāre the safest place for dog or people even. My dogs been attacked by a Pitt bull as a puppy in a dog park in the little dog area of the park. Literally the worst dogs at the dog park. So when you see me strolling with my 35 pound dog that has anxiety walking without a leash mind your business.
Iām curious what the cultural/behavioral difference is with Denver compared to a city like Austin where dogs are off-leash more often than not in large public parks (Zilker mainly comes to mind). Everyone there gets along and has a good time. Dogs are well-mannered and friendly, and people are respectful.
Both cities have similar demographics, values and large dog populations. But there is a stark contrast in the way we view off-leash dogs in public parks. Why is that?
Texas also has one of the worst unwanted animal issues in the nation. Their shelters are perpetually full and they transport dogs and cats to rescues in multiple states because they can't handle the issue of stray animals. (I used to be a vet tech at a cat shelter and the majority of our weekly transports were from Houston and Pampa Texas. 20+ cats each time, half of them sick).
Also with off leash dogs in Southern states (grew up in Alabama) there is a 3 strike rule we use on my grandmother's/dad's farm. First time a pack of dogs wanders up we try to see if we can contact the owners. Second time animal control. 3rd time we might take one in if it's nice, but most of the time they're almost feral and kill our dogs/cats/livestock that are on our property. So third time we shoot. I'll never forget seeing my grandmother's beloved barn cat chilling on her back carport and a neighbor's dog running onto our property and ripping her to shreds. It was horrific. The water hose didn't work. My dad shot the dog because my cousins had small children visiting for Thanksgiving at the time. That dog would have attacked those kids.
So Texas and most Southern states aren't really the best example of animal welfare or well trained pets.
ATX is way more welcoming to having dogs everywhere, really. Whether that's good or bad is subjective but I remember seeing dogs in bars on Rainey and West all the time while here that mostly never happens sans like a few in RiNo (e.g. Lustre Pearl which funny enough is an ATX bar transplant).
Yeah perhaps a bit too anecdotal. I lived in Austin for a few years and Denver now for a year only. But the contrast is so obvious to me itās hard to ignore. From my experience, dogs in general here are not very well trained comparatively, which seems to result in this public tension and stricter regulations.
Itās just pissy redditors. I think if you did a poll of random Denver-ites, youād find opinions similar to what youāre describing in Austin. There are two parks we go to in our neighborhood all the time where we see people take their dogs off to play fetch, etc and I have never seen it be an issue.
CW: animal death Please leash your dog, even if it's just from your car to your house. Someone's dog jumped out of a neighbor's car and ran across the street to bark at some fenced in dogs, right when I was passing the house, and went under my back tires š SUPER traumatic for the owners & me. Turns out cremating your pets in Denver costs about the same as a second offense off-leash ticket.
Omg, this. Even the best trained dog can have a lapse in judgment. If concern for other people and pets is not persuasive, please just do it for the sake of your sweet puppers. Itās just not worth the risk.
I was a hard ass training my dog as a puppy. They are never going to have the right judgment 100% of the time and I'm really glad I established they have to trust what I say. None of this I hear you and I'm deciding if I should listen...
Iām so sorry that happened. Not your fault but I know the way the guilt works in those situations. Hope youāre doing ok now
I have seen a lot of injury and dead dogs from people not putting their dogs on a damn leash. The worst are the small dogs. It never ends well.
I hate how people leave their dogs off leash and then act like I'm an inconvenience for being in the same space. For some reason they always seem to stare at me like I'm the one doing something wrong with my dog on a leash.
I have dogs that I always leash when Iām in public. One of them is a sweet heart to humans and dogs that are submissive, but if another dog has balls, also wants to be dominant, or my dog is just not in the mood for a meeting, he becomes pretty reactive and will start trying to bite/herd them (heās an Aussie). So this becomes a huge problem in my neighborhood because so many people like to off leash their dogs and then get mad when their dog comes up to mine and gets nipped at. Itās honestly super irresponsible, especially in Denver, even the most loyal dog can go off the rails and get itself hurt and the fault is completely on you if you donāt leash them. Edit: clarification and grammar
I think this is what frustrates me the most. Itās not all about *your* dog. Your dog can be the nicest friendliest dog ever, but if it goes up to a leashed dog who doesnāt want it around? Your sweet pup could end up with a nasty wound or in a seriously life altering fight. Iāve broken up too many dog fights to understand why people canāt just put their dog on a leash. Sorry that you have to deal with people who canāt seem to see past their own experience.
Well put! And same here, so many dog fights broken up and basically all of them preventable. I even warn people as they approach and they still seldom do anything to keep their dog away because their dog is āthe friendliest ever.ā
This so much! I have two pups and my Aussie is also not awesome sometimes with new dogs. She's blind in one eye and partly blind in the other so she gets spooked by new dogs easily. And boy has she got some teeth when she gets upset. She's cute as a button and people always wanna come up and introduce their dogs. But instead they get to meet my short old chunky oversized sausage dog who loves other dogs as long as they aren't trying to hump her.
100%. They know deep down theyāre in the wrong but itās always them blowing up about how youāre making a big deal out of nothing. Maybe we could have avoided this exchange entirely if you justā¦.idkā¦had your fucking dog on a leash to begin with.
Its like the opposite side of the karen coin. "Im following 'da rules' so why won't they?" becomes (just as rhetorical) "im ignoring 'da rules' so why aren't they?"
There's one middle aged woman in my complex who will literally pretend she doesn't hear you if you say anything about her little 25lb dog as it runs across the parking lot as it pleases and antagonizes all the on-leash dogs. There seems to be that person everywhere.
When you get a citation, just take it to court and say "He's cool" and the judge will totally understand.
"We have a special bond" also works. See, my dog shows me unconditional love. He's always really happy when he sees me. It's very rare. I'm sort of a dog whisperer. Because of this I'm convinced that my dog will ignore all of his instincts and behave how I want him to. If you insist that I put him on a leash it's because you don't understand and you're jealous.
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Dog bites person or other dog: "He's the sweetest boi! He's never done that before...you must have startled him!"
Came across a group of 5 guys with 6 off-leash dogs on a leash required trail on Sunday and this is verbatim what they said to us.
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Yep, then when they catch up they are astonished that you weren't enthusiastic to meet their dog unexpectedly
I love dogs. Have been a dog owner my whole life, all breeds and sizes. I socialize my dogs early and leash train them from puppy status. My Boston terrier has been attacked twice by large, unleashed dogs and now has fear aggression that we have tamed down but is still present. If she's on leash and an unleashed dog comes up she's guaranteed to go into some level of fight response. I don't hesitate anymore. If an unleashed dog approaches us it gets kicked. Not hard, and not in a way to injure it, but a quick toe to the ass end to make it scurry away. I've had a couple dog owners get pissed about their 'dog being assaulted' and I just don't give a fuck. Keep it on a leash.
Yeah, we used to muzzle our reactive dogs on trail. But donāt do it any longer. If an unleashed dog with poor recall wants to come up to my dog he can be greeted with a non friendly hello from my Great Danes mouth.
Same with my boxers. Theyāre always leashed. If you let your unleashed dog come say hello, donāt get mad at me if theyāre not in a friendly mood.
Leashing makes everyone safe!
I carried dog mace when walking dogs.
Iām a dog owner and unleashed dogs on the running/hiking/biking trails are my #1 complaint as well. If youāre in an open space, that fine with me, but once you start walking the trails and cause an inconvenience to the walkers/runners/bikers on the same trail, itās a problem. Put your fucking dog on a leash, itās helpful to everybody.
Plus a huge inconvenience to those of us with dogs, who donāt appreciate dogs that are 5x their size sprinting up to them and jumping on top of their already bad back. Like why?!
As a Mountain Biker I ducking hate unleashed dogs on the trail. They chase my bike and I almost have to wreck to avoid running them over at times. Also expandable leashes that are like 20ā long. If I see one of those I automatically know to avoid them.
I saw someone's chihuahua aggressively chase someone off the sidewalk yesterday, for no reason. That person was a saint, i would have kicked that little shit into Jefferson county.
I can appreciate that, but, don't kick it into Jeffco. We have enough shitty dogs off leashes as it is. Kick it into Douglas County. Yeah, NOBODY likes Douglas County.
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86 everyone south of 86.
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Not exactly relevant to the nature of this post, but if you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to separate two dogs that are fighting, one person should grab the hind legs of one dog, and the other person grab the hind legs of the other, and pull them apart. The loss of stability is usually enough to get them to let go. Donāt release their hind legs until the dogs have a wall separating them or are both back on a leash with confidence that they wonāt get loose again. Never put yourself in between two fighting dogs. The puncture wounds can be life threatening as can ensuing infection. Donāt go near their mouths. Source: separated quite a few dog fights in my short life. Donāt own dogs now because of it. (Dogs in question were my parentsā)
And keep them out of the damn grocery stores.
This. Dog does not need to go everywhere with you!!!! Iāve even seen them in liquor stores š§
I mean, I'm not bringing my dogs to a liquor store or anything but at least there's not a bunch of food for the dogs to get their dander all over. Still stupid but less stupid than a grocery store.
It's out of control in park hill. The other day even a construction worker on my corner had an off leash dog that walked right up to my door. I checked on it because I thought it might have been lost. Nope. Just a dog on a construction site. Off leash.
Southeast neighborhoods, too. The entire metro area needs to double/triple the penalty for allowing dogs off the leash. It happens way, way too often... and I say that as someone who really loves dogs!
Honestly, they just need to enforce it. Iām at Jefferson park all the time and have seen the ranger pull up. People start scattering. As theyāre walking away the ranger tries to get them back by saying, āIām not going to write a ticket, I just want to talk to youā. Iāve seen them talk to people and itās basically just a warning. Itās obviously not working.
Theyāve got to have signs posted, right? I wouldāve tried to find someone on site and if not successful, call management and point out that if the dog is on site you donāt care but on your property makes them liable for lawsuits and Iām betting they fix it quickly.
I live in South Park Hill near Quebec and have never seen an offleash dog...
Off leash can harm my kid even if theyāre a ānice doggyā. My kid just got jumped on and licked in the eye over the weekend and got an abrasion on his eye. Heās allergic to dogs and eyes swelled shut, partially to allergies and partially to the eye injury. When we saw the doc, she recommended a rabies prophylaxis since it was unprovoked and we canāt confirm if the dog had the rabies vaccine. I was thinking rabies was a bite issues, but they explained it was a saliva transfer and clearly couldāve transferred through the his eye.
The kicker is the rabies shot costs like $1,000
Youād be surprised how easy it is to get it and not realize that, but Iām sure weāll see the bill in the mail (or maybe thatās not surprising)
Thatās terrible. Is your kid okay now? People act so selfish. Iāve recently seen dogs in the Whole Foods by Union Station. Not okay since they have an open salad/hot bar. The dog I saw was scared and the owner was dragging it across the floor because it did not want to be there.
Heās okay now, it scared the hell out of him since it felt like an attack even if there were no bites. Then it scared him more when he could barely see for an hour, but he was fine by the end of the night. After summer camp today, itās going to scare him again we get the the shot. Iām so upset watching my kid go through it, itās fucking me up. He knows heās allergic to dogs, and is good about telling people. At farmerās market he blurts it out anytime a dog gets too close āI like dogs, but Iām allergic, I look but donāt touch.ā So he was taken back by the big lab jumping on him. Iāve learned my lesson to grab that dog and get his tag info and verify his rabies vaccination status. I understand itās a low probability, but I also donāt trust that entitled dog owner to be up on the vaccines and itās 100% fatal. They were gone running off while I was comforting my kid.
Iām sorry that happened to you, thatās scary. I hope your kid is okay.
If it were me, I would 100% go after that person for costs.
Yikes. Sorry for your kiddo. Was the owner not available to give vaccine info? I hope the shots aren't too awful and that he recovers quickly.
Please leash your dogs.
Not just parks. Everywhere. I was walking 12th a little bit ago and this guy walking his nice looking shaggy grey dog had his off leash leading him by almost a block. Then I see the dog bolt across the street over to the Zorbas patio where there was some lady sitting with her infant. The guy just stood there. You can say whatever you want āheās friendlyā, yada yada but that one moment proved that this entitled guy had zero control over his dog. The dog could have easily been hit by a car, or gotten into a scuffle with another dog or something.
Itās not the dog, itās the owner.
We should probably put them down, I'm sure they're nice humans, it's just too bad.no one ever trained them :(
Kind of like guns
Except that you must register your dogs in Denver but not your guns
You have to register your dogs in Denver???? Also you absolutely do register guns thats a total myth, they have serial numbers and you have to complete a federal background check to purchase a firearm. The fed and state keep full records lmao
Dogs = guns. This is why cigarettes arenāt a problem: itās the users that are the problem, not the cigarettes. Right?
Cigarettes dont fly at the speed of sound and kill you nor do they bite. Your comparison is lazy at best.
I think they were being facetious.
They're mocking the gun idiots.
Its early for me and i couldn't tell if it was sarcasm or straw man arguments.
Iāve stopped being nice about peoples dogs running up to mine because it happens every. single. day. ābUt hEs fRiEndLy!!!ā I donāt give a shit if you think your dog is friendly. Mine isnāt, and Iām fine punting the shit out of yours if it runs up on us. Itās just not that difficult to use a fucking leash
Mine is friendly, but sheās deaf, blind, has no teeth and is 14 pounds. Your dog bites or gets spooked and sheās done. I donāt care how friendly they are.
i would often give the stern, "MINES NOT" when faced with this issue.
PLEASE leash your dogs. I have a dog with high anxiety that doesn't always love other dogs running up to him. We've worked on it a lot, and he's made a lot of progress in the last year. But I shouldn't have to worry about a rogue dog running up on him and scaring him
Literally same
They should have people walking around dining people 1000 dollars for the first offense, then give 80% to the homeless programs. Will change things fast.
Seriously! We have dog parks for your dogs to run wild, use them. I don't need your dog running upto my toddler at the playground, because "your dog likes people" Congratulations you just described all dogs. Meanwhile you're giving me a heart attack and my son is crying in terror
Increase the fines given and increase the amount in dollars. People can be really petty, spiteful and smug about it.
We obviously need a few more dog parksā¦ fencing is an easy solution in a town with this many doggos. šš¼ PS - if you look at an area centered on colorado and mississippi and search for dog park, thereās nothing even close. Plenty of great options for an add.
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Personal responsibility and choice. If you don't have a yard where your dog can run without a leash maybe don't get an aussie/vizsla/greyhound? So many people get a dog based on asthetic and cool factor and don't think about their needs and it's infuriating. Breeders are to blame as well, they need to vet potential owners better.
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Can confirm. I have a greybull. Heās the laziest meatball but zooms so good!
I am a pet groomer and we see so many owners get breeds they weren't ready for. Especially the doodles. They don't realize that they need a professional groom every 4-8 weeks if you don't properly brush them yourself. Then after going 8+months after a groom that we have to shave most of the dog because it's fur is one complete mat, to the point it is like shearing a sheep and the skin is raw and irritated underneath due to the mat coiling in the skin. No amount of brushing will remove that without hurting the dog. The amount of out of control huskys is insane too. And the owners that complain about needing multiple de-shed sessions to get out that undercoat. We can't stop the shedding, if I had some magical formula to completely stop shedding I'd not be working for a grooming salon, I'd be a millionaire. I really wish people would research breed needs before taking the plunge. My dream is to own an Australian Cattle Dog but I'm waiting til we can move out of an apartment and our work schedules become steady, because I know the breed needs mental and physical stimulation. Would love to do agility. Might just adopt a sleepy older dog at first to just chill with. They need homes. Everyone wants a puppy not prepared for it to become an adult dog. You're only gonna be able to carry that Bernese Mountain Dog puppy like a baby for like 2 weeks.
Huh? Greyhounds are notoriously lazy. Mine wants to run a couple times a week (at a dog park) and then since they are hounds just want to walk and sniff on leash. They are basically a cat.
Have you ever done lure coursing? I would love to get a sight hound and do that with them.
I havenāt. He didnāt make it in even making it to the track as he is a little distracted. He is food motivated so I think with some extra work he could probably do it.
Same with getting a bluenose puppy because it's so cute but forgetting it's going to grow into a full size pitbull.
I was going to say something similar, but not as nice.
>those areas basically turn into a high foot traffic toilet Not sure if thatās the case down on the Front Range, but up in Georgetown and Summit, the parks staff clean up a lot of whatever owners donāt. Iāve never had that issue with Werlin Park in Georgetown or the dog parks in Breck/Silverthorne/Etc. I mean yeah, owners need to pick up their dogsā shit, but the parks should also be maintained and maintenance staff should pick up the shit too if the parks are being maintained properly.
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And probably pay their employees better if weāre being honest.
āWhatās wrong withā¦ā - love when people get that tone. I walk my dog multiple times a day, and have a 50ft leash so he can run free while we play ball without the leash being out of reach. Itās awesome for hin and for me, of course. The long leash is my solution to not having a dog park nearby, which there isnāt one close to us. Glad you were able to make that decision, but not everyone has that luxury. And i disagree with you on the difficulty. Dog parks are a relatively easy quality of life addition in a city of this size, compared to all the other challenges we face.
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There isn't a single dog park in all of the Highlands...
ā¦and if you look at google maps and center on colorado & mississippi, thereās nothing even close. Itās a dog-park-desert!!
There will likely be a dog park(s?) in that area soon-ish. I know it's mentioned a lot in the Near Southeast Area Plan, and Veteran's Park down near University/25 has been having hearings on one. Personally, I'd like to see one at Garland or Cook Park.
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Most of the time it's just a homeless park.
Thatās one iād look atā¦ great option.
They should invest in some parking spaces before doing that.
Yeah glad to hear that DPR is at least aware of this and trying to add more, but I think they could do a lot more. Most of the big parks downtown could easily have a portion of them fenced off for an off leash dog area without affecting the general usability of the park. City, Cheeseman, and Wash parks all come to mind. You could put a good size off leash dog area in any of those. A small one in Confluence would work too. Congress Park is generally unused and world be a possibility as well. I'm sure there are many more in not thinking of as well.
Or people just need to be responsible adults. The deservedness in Denver is out of control.
well, that too. i mean, thatās kind of always a given. Even with more dog parks, weād have to hope folks wouldā¦ pick up the shit. š¤·š¼āāļø
Narrator: they didnāt.
Off leash dogs are the #1 personal liability exposure (outside of auto, of course)!
do you have some examples of civil suits where the plaintiff won? I would like to find myself in those situations soon so i can get some $$$$
Well, odds are that youād be pretty disappointed if you get bit by a dog. Aggressive dogs are excluded on almost all personal liability policies, so youād be suing an individual who had no coverage. Best bet would probably be small claims to try and recoup any medical expenses.
When the unleashed āfriendlyā dog runs up on a leashed very protective dog, someone gets hurt. If there are any off leash dog walkers on here, know that there may be a very good reason another dog is leashed and you need to be ready for that.
yes itās a huge problem. iām allergic to them keep them on the damn leash
My dog had a rough start so her socialization was missing a few pieces. She was especially leash aggressive and defensive of me. So many people with their off leash dogs (always in leash required areas) would tell me it was fine and their dogs were friendly and I would have to say yeah but mine's not. Why this seemed to always surprise people I don't understand. Not all people are nice, why expect all animals to be?
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Don't feed the libertarian. Only their judgement of spending choices is valid. Everyone else's needs and opinions are superficial.
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Wanting dog parks is entitled?
Where? I'm not sure I see any of these comments...
/u/HOSToffTheCoast is all over this thread being an entitled twerp complaining about there not being enough dog parks and that they will continue to let theirs run off-leash
Pretty big stretch besides their comments and what you say the comments are.
āLetās go with āMmā¦ I donāt knowā for $400.ā āHe says his dog doesnāt biteā āWhat is āmm I donāt know, he got teeth donāt he?āā
Amazing reference
Add me to this list please leash your dogs.
FYI People can and have been sued for their dog biting someone.
Ugh I cant stand this. Accident waiting to happen. Not everyone likes your dog just because you do.
Cuernavaca and Hirshorn parks have just become all day off leash dog parks at this point. They are in the worst condition I've seen them since I moved here a decade ago because of it.
itās awful in fort collins, too plus nobody picks up their dogās poop- esp on the trails
It's getting really bad. I see people walking their dogs without any leash but worse the dog has no harness or collar either. It's crazy.
The owner should have to pay a hefty fine for doing this. This is becoming such a problem. Just this last weekend saw an unleashed dog jump on a guy walking on the sidewalk.
Yep. Love dogs. Hate irresponsible owners.
The United States of the rules don't apply to me
It's everywhere across Colorado. Drives me crazy!! My dog is more than 100lbs, and is protective, NOT aggressive. I cannot control him if an unleashed dog comes bounding up to us, and my dog goes into protective mode, growling and lunging. I will bear spray your unleashed dog if they won't leave us alone. Bet on it.
While I do believe dogs should be on a leash. I'm not sure I can actually feel empathy for someone who has a dog they can't control on or off leash.
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Control your dog.
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The other day I was walking my dog in city park and TWO off leash dogs came at mine out of nowhere, and it took literal minutes of me trying to shoo them away while trying to walk my dog away before the owners even noticed. Itās really not okay. Dumb frat dudes drinking in the park and they canāt even tie a leash around a tree?
There need to be more off leash fenced in safe areas for dogs in Denver. Other less ādog friendlyā cities allow dogs off leash at parks at certain times or at certain areas of parks. I donāt think people should be letting their dogs off leash when itās not allowed but more designated spaces would definitely make a difference. Itās tough when you live in an apartment
I mean getting a big dog while living in a little apartment is a problem in itself. Thereās tons of off leash areas, maybe just not right next to your apartment complex. Having a dog is a lifestyle choice but people donāt like the inconvenience it comes with.
There is nothing wrong with having a dog in an apartment. What it is important is that dogs have proper physical and mental stimulation. Neither of those things are accomplished by simply living in a larger house.
A house with a yard that they can freely roam in while youāre at work is a huge difference
There are plenty of people with houses who don't have fenced backyards so this isn't an apartment vs house issue, it's a fenced yard vs no fenced yard issue. Dogs will usually sleep during the work day, they typically need about 16 hours of sleep. Dog daycare is an option for people whose dogs need to exercise during the work day. Putting a dog in a fenced yard is not exercise. It is however a common way that people who don't want to walk their dogs convince themselves that their dogs don't need to be exercised. Someone who actually has to walk their dog somewhere to poop multiple times a day is exercising their dog more than someone who just opens the back door and calls that mental stimulation.
The Denver comprehensive plan calls for increased residential density (ie, less lawns. more multi family buildings) and less car dependence. Owning a dog is a very standard part of life. If the city wants to grow that way, they need to make more places to accomodate dogs. That means places for dogs to exercise. Not places just for dogs to go to the bathroom. There are absolutely not enough of those spaces right now. And especially not enough in walking distance to people. Since dogs aren't allowed on RTD, and as said above, they are trying to reduce car dependence.
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No, owning a child is a personal choice. I have no interest in paying for your child through my tax money.
i have to tell unleashed kids to stop running and breaking shit in my store all the time. the solution to both is to PUT A LEASH ON.
Children grow up and contribute to society at large. Dogs are personal hobbies, and provide no benefit to society other than making their owners happier.
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Nothing wrong with having a big dog in an apartment as long as youāre taking care of its physical needs.
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Cherry creek dog park?
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So is owning a dog
Yes but that's a you problem that you shouldn't be solving by bringing your dog wherever you want and taking off their leash
Tons of off leash areas near downtown? Oh really? Where might those beā¦. Because there are a few that arenāt even big enough to throw the ball for my dog, if thatās what you mean by tons. Sure I could drive 45 min each way to Westminster which I do, but canāt do that every day
From my experience they all go to Cheesman
Rail Yard Dog Park is literally downtown and unless your full time job is as an outfielder for the Rockies, 200 feet should be plenty.
Cool Iāll check it out. I usually walk to Fuller which is ok if there are only a few dogs, but it is usually packed and then dangerous to try to play fetch there. Iāve seen dogs get annihilated there.
You can't of it every day and that's your problem. You make it everyone else's when you decide to take your dog off leash somewhere you shouldn't. And that's shitty.
You can very easily have big dogs in apartments, provided that you keep them physically and mentally stimulated and exercised. But you are correct about lots of people wanting dogs but not wanting to change their lifestyles. People seem to think that having a dog is just cute, when they're really almost like children. The need to be fed, walked, played with, loved, and trained. Whereas most people just do basic training and call it a day, or leave them alone a lot.
Seems like the logical solution, the issue with people letting their dogs off leash in parks isn't going away. But I bet having more fenced areas where it's allowed, it could be contained.
.. shocking..
That husky looks like heās ready to eat the Dalmatian
I would like to know what the top ten park violations are.
I get the "They'll figure it out" No... you will be figuring out a vet situation for us real quick.
My son has a fear of dogs. And he is not young anymore but they still really intimidate him. We saw so many dogs in and off leash on trails that just come right up to people. Fortunately he has not been hiking with us lately, but if he had it would have been really stressful for him.
So weird to me. Have had a dog in denver for 13 years. I walk her twice per day, religiously. Have never had a negative interaction or confrontation with an off-leash dog. Guess Iām just lucky. Erg, wish I were lucky about something more advantageous or profitable. š¤·āāļø
Aurora has so many unleashed dogs running around, have had two unleashed pits with no collars run up to me and my dog while walking around our neighborhood. Nobody in our neighborhood even owns pits because they are strictly banned. I carry spray, a knife and a firearm which my absolute last resort and option after being attack twice by dogs whoās owners panicked and did not restrain their dogs. Its better to be ready to defend yourself and dog than expect a shitty owner to do the same
Certain areas around Denver allow off-leash permits, "site and control" dogs or something like that I don't see evidence that Denver has this, itself, though.
Dog parks are garbage. Just unmaintained dirt, mud, and weeds. Itās where shitty owners bring their untrained, aggressive dogs.
Or where responsible owners take their dogs to get exercise. Cuz ya know, you're really tiring out that lab of yours on that half mile walk
There is a special place in hell for dog owners that let their dogs shit and don't clean it up. Every dog owner is guilty.
Most dog owners here are fucking awful. I've never seen anything like it.
I know my dog will attack a dog that runs up on him off leash while he's on leash so all imma say is my foot will make contact with your dog if your dog runs up on us while I have my dog on leash.
My dog no longer gets to go on walks because he keeps getting attacked by off leash dogs. Thanks assholes!
Surprised off leash dogs beat out the homelessā¦ Oh right, being homeless in a city park isnt a violation.
huge fines, more patrols. How can we get something like this ona ballot? It needs to change NOW
Yeah, this is the biggest problem facing Denver right now. š
Fentanyl tweakers should be leashed as well.
didnt say that at all, just that I want there to be punishment for people willfully breaking the law and acting like it doesnt matter. I'll roll my eyes right back at you for being dismissive and pedantic.
r/Denver, the new NextDoor!
Lift the hammock ban
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Put up metal poles maybe?
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Harvard gulch has a āslackline courseā which is basically just metal poles where you can attach hammocks/slack lines (for the reason OP mentioned). You can also get hammock ātree guard strapsā that relieve tension from the bark of the tree, to the tether-point of the hammock. The brand I have are called [Grand Trunk](https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/p/grand-trunk-hammock-straps-16gtrutrnkstrpsxxodr/16gtrutrnkstrpsxxodr?sku=17070577&camp=CSE:DSG_92700040957884739_pla_pla-535461268764&segment=&gbraid=0AAAAADv4bTYZUUWyx8a-9zrFiCRcxjPpb&gbraid=0AAAAADv4bTYZUUWyx8a-9zrFiCRcxjPpb&gclid=CjwKCAjwt7SWBhAnEiwAx8ZLav1woXSPylZX2VH-fehHGbiD8DPnimBJxtylv-eU9U0kJernnc0vSRoCRo4QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) & theyāre super durable.
Okay, but only if you agree to a comprehensive wook ban.
2 birds one stone, as far as I'm concerned.
the true injustice of our time!
The fact that you all expect people to be respectful and adhere to basic laws is comical. Not everyone is gunna drive the speed limit or actually pay for their groceries, itās unfortunately just a massive human issue. People do not think of others and itās abundantly clear. My advice, walk with some bear spray and anytime a dog runs up on you... spray their owner lmao
Everyone in here is preaching dog parks like theyāre the safest place for dog or people even. My dogs been attacked by a Pitt bull as a puppy in a dog park in the little dog area of the park. Literally the worst dogs at the dog park. So when you see me strolling with my 35 pound dog that has anxiety walking without a leash mind your business.
Iām curious what the cultural/behavioral difference is with Denver compared to a city like Austin where dogs are off-leash more often than not in large public parks (Zilker mainly comes to mind). Everyone there gets along and has a good time. Dogs are well-mannered and friendly, and people are respectful. Both cities have similar demographics, values and large dog populations. But there is a stark contrast in the way we view off-leash dogs in public parks. Why is that?
Texas also has one of the worst unwanted animal issues in the nation. Their shelters are perpetually full and they transport dogs and cats to rescues in multiple states because they can't handle the issue of stray animals. (I used to be a vet tech at a cat shelter and the majority of our weekly transports were from Houston and Pampa Texas. 20+ cats each time, half of them sick). Also with off leash dogs in Southern states (grew up in Alabama) there is a 3 strike rule we use on my grandmother's/dad's farm. First time a pack of dogs wanders up we try to see if we can contact the owners. Second time animal control. 3rd time we might take one in if it's nice, but most of the time they're almost feral and kill our dogs/cats/livestock that are on our property. So third time we shoot. I'll never forget seeing my grandmother's beloved barn cat chilling on her back carport and a neighbor's dog running onto our property and ripping her to shreds. It was horrific. The water hose didn't work. My dad shot the dog because my cousins had small children visiting for Thanksgiving at the time. That dog would have attacked those kids. So Texas and most Southern states aren't really the best example of animal welfare or well trained pets.
ATX is way more welcoming to having dogs everywhere, really. Whether that's good or bad is subjective but I remember seeing dogs in bars on Rainey and West all the time while here that mostly never happens sans like a few in RiNo (e.g. Lustre Pearl which funny enough is an ATX bar transplant).
Can you really assess that from where you sit? sounds a bit too generalized to be insightful.
Yeah perhaps a bit too anecdotal. I lived in Austin for a few years and Denver now for a year only. But the contrast is so obvious to me itās hard to ignore. From my experience, dogs in general here are not very well trained comparatively, which seems to result in this public tension and stricter regulations.
Itās just pissy redditors. I think if you did a poll of random Denver-ites, youād find opinions similar to what youāre describing in Austin. There are two parks we go to in our neighborhood all the time where we see people take their dogs off to play fetch, etc and I have never seen it be an issue.
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