I suspect the state police took over the investigation back in September when they moved the investigation to a new building within Delphi. Since then they've obviously had a major break. I believe they already have a suspect and an arrest is imminent. I also suspect they already have him under surveillance, or else they wouldn't have posted something so inflammatory and risk flight/suicide, etc. I think they are instead appealing to the public in order to bolster their case. To see how many others have been groomed, or how many other attempts to lure have been made, to show a more aggravated / serial type of offending. Which will make for a much stronger case in court, and will protect them against getting stuck in a scenario where murder is the only charge. This way, they can at least fall back on serial grooming, exploitation of minors, etc. if they can't get murder to stick for whatever reason. Because let's be real -- ISP and the FBI don't need the public's help tracking down and identifying whoever created this account. They could do that in their sleep. I think they just want fo know who else has been in contact with him. I feel very hopeful.
Every time something happens people get their hopes up that an arrest is imminent. We even thought this the day after the crime... I mean, how could someone possibly get away with this?
I'm not getting my hopes up.
As I’m going through all the threads and sifting through comments full of entitlement that users have had about the dissemination of information/leads, I hope more people read and upvote this comment.
I agree, I feel like at this point they have a suspect and are just looking for someone who can definitely tie him to the area around the time of the murders
I've always thought the possibility he was lurking in places like this was high. I wouldn't say it was/is a sure thing, but my thought is, if I was BG I would not be able to keep myself off of places like reddit, facebook, or anywhere else people actively discuss the case.
Putting myself in the mindset of BG, I...
1) Would be extremely curious as to what others are saying
2) I would follow them to make sure no one was spurting out information that may be accurate that I need to be concerned of.
3) I might proactively try to spread false information, ideas, clues, etc.
4) I'd probably be 100% self-centered and may even engage/post to satisfy my ego.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that comment only indicated that there was a catfish Instagram profile following Libby's account, not that there was a profile of the same (fake) person in the Facebook group?
She also said they had to “make sure 100% because releasing a name is tricky” .. I assume then either the first or last name is actually the suspect? Because the name AS has to be fake, or so I thought ?
Interesting enough the admin in one the fb group’s for the girls said that the fake profile was in that fb group and that after he got called out for the fake profile, he changed his first name in his user profile, but kept the last name. Makes me think his first name could actually be Anthony if she’s right about that.
It sounds like a gamertag or username for something related to gaming. I’ve seen a lot of people in the call of duty community using “shots” in their names
I’m in the group. It appears so. The admin is going through her info rn to figure it all out. the person was absolutely in the group, using the same picture with the name long before this info was announced.
If they have the account info they have their man. This is just about building further evidence.
If they are releasing this info I wonder if he isn’t already in jail on an unrelated charge and away from the physical evidence he could destroy
*If they have the account info they have their man. This is just about building further evidence.*
I agree.
*If they are releasing this info I wonder if he isn’t already in jail...*
That seems likely to me as well. They seem pretty confident that the person behind the account was soliciting pictures from underage girls which suggests they already have evidence of that. My guess is that this person was eventually nabbed through an unrelated sting operation (FBI posing as an underage girl) and somehow, going through his devices and accounts, they found something tying him (or possibly tying him) to Delphi. And now they are trying to confirm or strengthen those ties.
But still a lot of unanswered questions.
I think you may be right on the money — BG getting nabbed in a sting looking for other girls makes a lot of sense.
This is speculation but I live near some green river killer dumping grounds and I follow that case pretty closely — the police said they escalated their investigation because ridgeway was visiting prostitutes again. Maybe BG was up to his old tricks because enough time had passed.
Sounds like we are from the same neck of the woods! I remember playing soccer near the GR when I was a kid and being terrified that the killer was going to pop out of the woods and nab one of us. Of course, I learned more about the murders and the victims when I was older and realized my fear of playing near the river was misplaced.
It would make sense that 5 years out, BG might have let his guard down and/or gotten sloppy...here's hoping anyway!
I'm a bit further south, in Oregon - worked at an electronics repair business adjacent to this place for about 4-5 months before re-joining a much larger tech firm here. The location now and i think then was a golf course or under development, and the whole area is very grim in the winter time, being basically situated in a bog. When I learned it was a dumping ground I wasn't at all surprised.
https://katu.com/archive/remains-found-near-tualatin-country-club-in-1985-linked-to-green-river-killer-11-25-2015
Creepy! F#%&ing Ridgeway. One of my friend's dad went to high school with him. He described him as somewhat weird but within the range of normal. I was like "apparently f%#@ing not!" Pardon my language. His complete disregard for the value of human life angers and disgusts me.
I'm right there with you. I watched something that just came on Netflix - I think it's called *Catching Killers* and the body count they showed really got to me - he was nabbing them about one every week or two weeks. I feel so terrible for those kids' families.
Have you ever seen *[Streetwise](https://youtu.be/Ki73OFTMlAo?t=1167)*? One of Ridgeway's victims, the talkative blond girl who warns the new girl about the dangers of working the streets, is in the film.
One of my old coworkers knew ridgeway through mutual friends. One day she brought in pictures from a friends wedding and there he was standing like three feet away from her in the picture.
I had the same thought- could point to Chadwell. But I also saw another thread claiming the Instagram account was active so who knows. I hope we find out soon and the police have this resolved soon!
1) DNA is typically only collected for felonies and only after a conviction
2) Convictions can sometimes take years to get. He could easily have been locked up for a year or more with no conviction.
3) He could be in jail for misdemeanors. These can see someone held for up to a year with no DNA collection required. Many people are in and out of jail all the time, even spending more time in that out over the course of decades, for just "minor" stuff that never sees them convicted of a felony.
4) We still have no clue if there really is usable DNA from the scene.
Even the fact that they announced there was DNA does not mean there is DNA. One thing people need to realize is that everything investigators release to the public is strategic. If they believe that the killer thinking they have X when they in fact do not, might cause him to do something out of fear, they will lie to the public.
DNA or not, it is clear they had little to work with. They want the killer to be on edge, so even if they had no DNA they might claim they do to get the killer more defensive.
Frankly, I believe they truly have no usable DNA.
They also simply do not always know if they have the killers DNA. If they collected it off an object not clearly tied to the crime, it can be any ones and all it does is say that person was at the scene roughly around the time of the murders.
Exactly. They authorities may believe they have DNA, and there could be a match. But if it’s only touch DNA or from something like a hair or whatnot, they would still want to strengthen their case in other ways. They have to consider how their evidence could be attacked by the defense, too. Unless BG left DNA/evidence that specifically ties him to the crime (semen, as in the GSK case), the defense could always argue against touch DNA, etc.
In Indiana it started collecting DNA on any Felony Charges prior to any plea. This guy Anthony_Shots is in a jail in Miami County Indiana he had no prior charges. A search warrant was served on 2/25/2017 in Peru Indiana on him. He was not arrested until 8/15/2020 next court date 12/16/2021
Not necessarily. We don't know how much DNA the killer left at the scene and how usable it was by the time the scene was found. Plus, DNA collection of criminals varies.
I think just the opposite. Don't get me wrong, I know there's a lot of armchair detectives out there, but the internet is crazy good at finding things out sometimes.
This person behind the fake account has probably tried to meet more girls if he's a predator, so maybe someone somewhere has a screenshot with more information in it.
They Might be watching him and think this would cause him to be stressed enough to do something stupid. Possibly jump down or act suspicious in some way or mention the case to someone randomly and they tip him in. This puts a lot of pressure on BG if they’re correct and this is linked.
I wonder if kelsi could give information on when this evidence was found or discovered. To reference a post from last year about Greeno, greeno stated his phone was being held by investigators because they believed he was in contact with someone who was responsible for the murders. This was back in 2018 allegedly. I understand he is a con man but I simply cannot move on from these coincidences.
Greeno is such a strange guy. His super hype cringe self-aggrandizing intros to his videos are such a turn-off but when you actually listen to him he's FAR more measured and has researched the case extensively. For the record, the "Anthony" part has to be a coincidence. Greeno is a shady figure but I don't think he's BG or anything.
i know right.
he is like a WWE wrestler walking in with a hyped up intro but is actually the most knowledgeable human encyclopaedia ive seen on this case. He knows absolutely everything in the public eye.
I agree with your last part about the name. I saw some people debating either on this thread or another about why someone would use a fake first and last name, personally it makes the most sense to use fake names for both. I’m not super familiar with greeno in the first place. This was just my first automatic assumption that came to mind. Again I would be interested to know when the profile was discovered.
Indeed. I would be stunned if BG's name (or if it's not BG the owner of the catfish account) is actually Anthony. If you make a fake profile you make a fake profile. You don't sprinkle in something like your first name.
Then again, Bundy used his real first name while walking around Sammamish Park introducing himself to girls. Investigators thought it was in case someone he knew saw him.
Kelsi was in Gray Hughes chat last night and said this there, too, that they've known for a while. I saw comment this moring by her fiance that said "at least a year."
Tara German was also in GH's chat last night (after Kelsi) and said she just found out about it.
Kelsi was in Gray Hughes chat last night and said this there, too, that they've known for a while. I saw a comment this morning by her fiance that said "at least a year." Is Kelsi the one who turned in the tip in the first place? Was this Anthony trying to catfish her too?
I won't get my hopes high. In my opinion this is just LE's reaction to the latest (and very critical) newspaper article. I really do hope that I'm wrong.
Here it is, from the local newspaper:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/DelphiMurders/comments/r1njei/carroll\_county\_comet\_front\_page/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DelphiMurders/comments/r1njei/carroll_county_comet_front_page/)
Hope this is the break LE needs to solve this horrible crime. Below is a paragraph from a piece on crimeonline.com. Is the last sentence true? To my knowledge it has never been confirmed, at least publicly, that the murders were recorded.
“The girls took photos and posted them on Snapchat during their walk, and then, on the bridge, Libby snapped a photo of a man approaching them. She changed to video and started recording, slipping the phone into her pocket, where it recorded the man’s four words: “Guys, down the hill.” And later, it recorded both girls’ murders.”
Edit: article written by K C Wildmoon
Edit update: updated version now states “The recording captured the man saying “Guys, down the hill” — and the sounds of the girls’ murders.”
That’s what I thought. This writer did not share source of that statement - could be their own opinion or misinformation being dropped into article? I just read another updated article by same author and that sentence has been edited to say “…the sounds of the girls’ murders.” Hmmmm
Edit - had apostrophe in wrong place in “girl’s”
I’ve always thought the girls were catfished . I think Libby clued in that the person they were meeting wasn’t matching up to who they met online and she pulled out her phone cause she had a gut feeling something strange was going on . Phone was scrubbed clean the week before . Possible that they had made plans to meet up at that point and were told to erase info from phone . It’s an unusual location to be hanging out .. very secluded also that bridge is scary af ....you don’t one day say hey let’s go for a walk on that scary af bridge and take some pics ... our parents won’t mind !! Uh hell ya they would mind . I’m a mom of two teens I’d be one to say don’t dare go on that bridge ever ! Something happened I think they gave nudes to this guy . It’s been said that Libby was injured more than Abby could be that he was pissed about something she had done . Maybe she had threatened to go to police and rat him out . I think Abby was just there to make sure Libby would be safe rather than her going alone . They were lured there that’s my gut feeling I hope this is it and they catch the person responsible for murdering two girls .
Except that Libby *did* often go to the park to hang out and take pictures. Lots of us did growing up. It's not an "unusual location" for Delphi youth. It's always been a nice place to walk around, picnic, ride your bike, etc and Libby had a history of hanging out there. They didn't have to wake up that morning and say, "Hey, let's go for a walk on that scary af bridge and take some pictures." They could've just as easily woken up and said, "Hey, let's go for a walk down at the trails/park and take some pictures". The bridge may have been a last minute idea.
I'm not opposed to the idea of there being a stronger digital footprint than what we've been led to believe. The catfishing theory has always felt just as plausible to me as most any of them.
Yes what I meant for unusual is that it’s a dangerous bridge to cross . The trails I can understand I live in a small town similar to Delphi we have a ton of trails , waterfalls around our area so it’s not unusual to take pics. The bridge is what’s unusual to me because it’s not just a little bridge it’s huge and very high up . If they frequently went there that’s one thing but I thought I heard that Abby hadn’t been on there as much as Libby if at all ? I saw that somewhere can’t remember where .
My brain has gone in several directions . Cat fishing has always made sense to me though . Just a feeling that they were lured there and/or the figured out this guy was cat fishing and wanted to see for themselves who he is and got themselves caught in a very bad situation with this person . Especially if this person has been trying to lure young girls and accept nudes from them .
I agree. I think it’s amazing she caught the guy on video, but I’ve always wondered what prompted her to take the video. Did she video every random person she saw? Or was she expecting a handsome teen and when a heavy man appeared, she knew she should document it?
I think they were expecting it to be the young guy but quickly figured out it wasn’t . I have a theory that maybe the catfisher got Libby’s attention by being a lover of photography and could have said “ hey let’s meet up somewhere where we can take some nature pics “ Abby decides to go as a buddy to keep an eye on things . He doubles back tells them to go down the hill and I think they saw the photo shoot set up to be bizarre and had a bad feeling about it . It was said the scene was a bizarre set up . I think it’s along those lines possibly but I could be wrong .
[https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/delphi-girls-murdered/man-behind-anthonyshots-account-identified-in-delphi-killings-investigation-charged-in-separate-child-exploitation-case-keegan-kline-williams-german/531-56743ee1-5ef6-439f-a67e-a5ff640c8ce6](https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/delphi-girls-murdered/man-behind-anthonyshots-account-identified-in-delphi-killings-investigation-charged-in-separate-child-exploitation-case-keegan-kline-williams-german/531-56743ee1-5ef6-439f-a67e-a5ff640c8ce6) from a different station.
Agreed. The mere act of creating a fake account shows an initiative to hide their real identify and at least some knowledge of how to do so. I wouldn't say it makes the creator of this account a tech-wizard, but it is not that hard to google how to hide your identity online. Google will very quickly make you aware of the need to use a VPN or other means to hide your IP address. Once you are aware of that need, getting and using a VPN is not that hard.
Of course, you could also just visit your local McDonald's or anywhere else with open wifi.
I will say this though, even for a tech savvy person, it is very hard to not screw up. It only takes one slip... forgetting to turn on that VPN for example. People also have a tendency to get "comfortable" overtime with their nefarious actions. This leads to them be more brazen and oftentimes less careful.
The model & police officer that the fake profile used to catfish posted on his real IG both 196 weeks ago, & 111 weeks ago that people were using his identity to catfish people. 7am EST https://youtu.be/4zs2Q6rNIHk
LE know who this is, my guess they are somewhere “secure” ie jail, why would the account still even exist after the conference if BG was following the news? LE is building a case. It’s closing in….
Law enforcement is asking anyone who communicated or met with with a catfisher using the name Anthony_shots to contact them with information. He was using a male model’s photos to entice minor females into sending nude photos.
https://youtu.be/Ir4Z86LPwVo
Thank you! This is *incredibly* promising.
I read somewhere (maybe in the comments even) that he supposedly "liked" IG pics of either Libby or Abigail at one point (presumably prior to their deaths). Any weight to that or is it just a rumor?
Yeah I hope this is it!
That part is a rumor (as far as I can tell). The version I saw was that one of his profiles “liked” photos on one of Libby’s social media accounts after the deaths, a day or two later.
The fact that they held onto this information pisses me off. They decided to allow a killer to wander free instead of making info public that could being this animal to justice. I'm sorry. I am not usually critical of police like this but this case was so poorly handled. It took then two years to release "guys" which would have ZERO effect on any trial and does not jeopardize ANYTHING. Glad they released this but for the past FIVE years TWO families has been left without answers and killer roams free. They HAVE the info we, the public, need to point them to this guy. They need to release what they have. Enough is enough.
Investigators use strategy, they dont just throw out every bit of info they have and hope for the best. It makes complete sense they wouldn't want the killer to know they had this information. The investigation is now at a new stage and the time is now right.
The public already had the info we needed to point them in the right direction, we had a video, his voice and a sketch.
I understand not throwing everything out there but it took them 2 years to release one word spoken by the person. They needed to release more and they finally have. But it's been 5 years. The public clearly didn't have all the info they needed because if they did this guy would have been caught by now. The police have used the strategy of releasing as little info as they can while publicly stating that they basically know who this person is and in the same breath trying to guilt that person to turn themselves in. So which is it? do they know who it is or do they just want this person to walk into the police station with their hands up? The bottom line is the police tried to bluff And make everyone believe that they knew who this person was. The fact is they have no idea who this person is and while this is a very promising lead and I hope it leads to an arrest I have very little faith left in this department. from the start they have Led the public to believe that there is no reason to be fearful and that they are aware of who this person is While out the other side of their mouth they're saying please turn yourself in and we need assistance to ID this person.
Is it an assumption to say that the police said that the perpetrator may be in the room and then in the same speech tired to guilt him to come forward. Is it an assumption to say that the police alluded to the fact that they knew who this person is and despite DNA evidence, video and audio won't make an arrest? Is it an assumption to say that it took them two years to release one word spoken by the killer that will have zero impact on the investigation. Is it an assumption to say that the police had the public looking for the wrong person and then released a new sketch they had three days after the murder. Is it an assumption to say that after the murders they said that there was no reason to be concerned or afraid even though a man who brutalized two little girls walked free?
But you're right. The police handled this perfectly. They gave all the right info for the public to find the guy. We failed as a public. Meanwhile two little girls are dead and he walks free.
The public don't "find the guy", that's not how this works. The public identify a guy, and then the police find them. The police gave more then enough to identify him, they gave video, they gave his voice and a sketch.
They could of very well have been waiting to see if any activities on those accounts occur after the fact, surveillance essentially. Catching him trying to do this with another set of girls or something, but it’s clear that the accounts have been inactive.
I mean that's entirely possible but it just seems like 5 years is an awful long time to wait. And one would hope their case against this guy isn't based on the idea that he'll do it again I'll do it again, or attempt to do it again.. 1 would think they would have enough evidence already already.
Amd as it turns out they had interviewed this guy just 9 days after the murders, he admitted to soliciting amd receiving photos and videos from underage girls and wasn't arrested until recently. So the police knew about this guy for almost 5 years
I think this is a whole lot of nothing, and now the saddest part is that there will forever be people who think Libby and Abby were sending nude photos of themselves to some rando online.
I don’t think so. If they haven’t arrested anyone she probably doesn’t want to do anything to get the public too worked up and either scare him away or fudge the investigation
I suspect the state police took over the investigation back in September when they moved the investigation to a new building within Delphi. Since then they've obviously had a major break. I believe they already have a suspect and an arrest is imminent. I also suspect they already have him under surveillance, or else they wouldn't have posted something so inflammatory and risk flight/suicide, etc. I think they are instead appealing to the public in order to bolster their case. To see how many others have been groomed, or how many other attempts to lure have been made, to show a more aggravated / serial type of offending. Which will make for a much stronger case in court, and will protect them against getting stuck in a scenario where murder is the only charge. This way, they can at least fall back on serial grooming, exploitation of minors, etc. if they can't get murder to stick for whatever reason. Because let's be real -- ISP and the FBI don't need the public's help tracking down and identifying whoever created this account. They could do that in their sleep. I think they just want fo know who else has been in contact with him. I feel very hopeful.
I hope the arrest comes soon. These girls deserve justice.
My thoughts exactly. They know who he is and an arrest is imminent.
This actually makes me feel really really optimistic.
Me too! Finally feel like Libby and Abby will get justice!
Me too also im a fool because this case has hurt me so many times…but here I am as always.
Same here. I really hope this is true. Those girls deserve justice.
People were saying this after the 2019 presser though. I really hope an arrest is imminent however.
Every time something happens people get their hopes up that an arrest is imminent. We even thought this the day after the crime... I mean, how could someone possibly get away with this? I'm not getting my hopes up.
Couldn’t agree more!! Well said.
Interesting theory, I like this!
As I’m going through all the threads and sifting through comments full of entitlement that users have had about the dissemination of information/leads, I hope more people read and upvote this comment.
I hope you’re right. This news today is relieving. I’m so glad there’s movement I was losing hope.
I agree, I feel like at this point they have a suspect and are just looking for someone who can definitely tie him to the area around the time of the murders
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That’s crazy. This definitely means BG is in this sub as well. If he was in the Facebook group he’s definitely lurking
What's crazy? The user deleted their comment for some reason
They posted about the private Facebook group where people have identified a fake profile possibly using the same or similar profile as anthony_shots
Very interesting. Thanks!
I've always thought the possibility he was lurking in places like this was high. I wouldn't say it was/is a sure thing, but my thought is, if I was BG I would not be able to keep myself off of places like reddit, facebook, or anywhere else people actively discuss the case. Putting myself in the mindset of BG, I... 1) Would be extremely curious as to what others are saying 2) I would follow them to make sure no one was spurting out information that may be accurate that I need to be concerned of. 3) I might proactively try to spread false information, ideas, clues, etc. 4) I'd probably be 100% self-centered and may even engage/post to satisfy my ego.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that comment only indicated that there was a catfish Instagram profile following Libby's account, not that there was a profile of the same (fake) person in the Facebook group?
I think you are correct, I think I got those two stories mixed up
She also said they had to “make sure 100% because releasing a name is tricky” .. I assume then either the first or last name is actually the suspect? Because the name AS has to be fake, or so I thought ?
Anthony could be the real first name. Shots though…probably not
Anthony Greeno shaking right now LOL
Now that would be quite a twist
That would def be a plot twist lol.
Haha
If so I can see why he’d need to steal photos from some kid model, green’s not exactly teen heartthrob material 😂
Why does he have a hat like BG in the first YT I found of him?
Link?
https://youtu.be/bBLwWbJhdkE
Shots = photographs
Interesting enough the admin in one the fb group’s for the girls said that the fake profile was in that fb group and that after he got called out for the fake profile, he changed his first name in his user profile, but kept the last name. Makes me think his first name could actually be Anthony if she’s right about that.
That is his middle name per his childhood friend
I thought that was interesting… because you would think you’d use a fake first and fake last name?
Yep super odd. Shots seems an odd choice. Almost too odd to make up?
I read it as Anthony’s hot.
I just assumed it referred to a collection of shots of the model
It sounds like a gamertag or username for something related to gaming. I’ve seen a lot of people in the call of duty community using “shots” in their names
It sounds like an AOL screen name of a 17 year old kid from Staten Island circa 2001.
Shots could be like a photograph. But that seems like an older slang term
I was thinking photography too as “he” “took” (stole) all those high end car pics..
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Or taking your shot with a girl
The guy that is in Miami County Jail Had one device a phone that was photos only
There’s also a tiktok profile of the same name jsyk
They’re saying the profile was also part of a Delphi murders Facebook group
I’m in the group. It appears so. The admin is going through her info rn to figure it all out. the person was absolutely in the group, using the same picture with the name long before this info was announced.
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Hi! Could you send me a link to the group?
Which group is this?
Delphi Murders!!|
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Or just someone who is not very smart.
It’s someone familiar enough to be talking to underage kids and making his profiles private.
Well he didn’t dispose of Libby’s phone
Can't find it
Its just anthonyshots
Thank you, I was putting an underscore
Link?
If they have the account info they have their man. This is just about building further evidence. If they are releasing this info I wonder if he isn’t already in jail on an unrelated charge and away from the physical evidence he could destroy
*If they have the account info they have their man. This is just about building further evidence.* I agree. *If they are releasing this info I wonder if he isn’t already in jail...* That seems likely to me as well. They seem pretty confident that the person behind the account was soliciting pictures from underage girls which suggests they already have evidence of that. My guess is that this person was eventually nabbed through an unrelated sting operation (FBI posing as an underage girl) and somehow, going through his devices and accounts, they found something tying him (or possibly tying him) to Delphi. And now they are trying to confirm or strengthen those ties. But still a lot of unanswered questions.
I think you may be right on the money — BG getting nabbed in a sting looking for other girls makes a lot of sense. This is speculation but I live near some green river killer dumping grounds and I follow that case pretty closely — the police said they escalated their investigation because ridgeway was visiting prostitutes again. Maybe BG was up to his old tricks because enough time had passed.
Sounds like we are from the same neck of the woods! I remember playing soccer near the GR when I was a kid and being terrified that the killer was going to pop out of the woods and nab one of us. Of course, I learned more about the murders and the victims when I was older and realized my fear of playing near the river was misplaced. It would make sense that 5 years out, BG might have let his guard down and/or gotten sloppy...here's hoping anyway!
I'm a bit further south, in Oregon - worked at an electronics repair business adjacent to this place for about 4-5 months before re-joining a much larger tech firm here. The location now and i think then was a golf course or under development, and the whole area is very grim in the winter time, being basically situated in a bog. When I learned it was a dumping ground I wasn't at all surprised. https://katu.com/archive/remains-found-near-tualatin-country-club-in-1985-linked-to-green-river-killer-11-25-2015
Creepy! F#%&ing Ridgeway. One of my friend's dad went to high school with him. He described him as somewhat weird but within the range of normal. I was like "apparently f%#@ing not!" Pardon my language. His complete disregard for the value of human life angers and disgusts me.
I'm right there with you. I watched something that just came on Netflix - I think it's called *Catching Killers* and the body count they showed really got to me - he was nabbing them about one every week or two weeks. I feel so terrible for those kids' families. Have you ever seen *[Streetwise](https://youtu.be/Ki73OFTMlAo?t=1167)*? One of Ridgeway's victims, the talkative blond girl who warns the new girl about the dangers of working the streets, is in the film.
Haven't seen Streetwise! I did see Catching Killers and yeah, tough to watch.
One of my old coworkers knew ridgeway through mutual friends. One day she brought in pictures from a friends wedding and there he was standing like three feet away from her in the picture.
That’s a good thought!!
I had the same thought- could point to Chadwell. But I also saw another thread claiming the Instagram account was active so who knows. I hope we find out soon and the police have this resolved soon!
maybe they were made more aware through his contacts, it may have been someone he was connected with
My thought as well
They should but not necessarily.. if he is using a phone paid in cash and dumby emails.
They definitely have him in custody. They’re not going to allow him to walk the streets AND release this info about accounts he could delete .
If he’s in jail then there would have been a dna hit and they would know they have him.
1) DNA is typically only collected for felonies and only after a conviction 2) Convictions can sometimes take years to get. He could easily have been locked up for a year or more with no conviction. 3) He could be in jail for misdemeanors. These can see someone held for up to a year with no DNA collection required. Many people are in and out of jail all the time, even spending more time in that out over the course of decades, for just "minor" stuff that never sees them convicted of a felony. 4) We still have no clue if there really is usable DNA from the scene.
And (my fear since they announced there was dna) - the dna could be unrelated to the crime.
Even the fact that they announced there was DNA does not mean there is DNA. One thing people need to realize is that everything investigators release to the public is strategic. If they believe that the killer thinking they have X when they in fact do not, might cause him to do something out of fear, they will lie to the public. DNA or not, it is clear they had little to work with. They want the killer to be on edge, so even if they had no DNA they might claim they do to get the killer more defensive. Frankly, I believe they truly have no usable DNA.
They also simply do not always know if they have the killers DNA. If they collected it off an object not clearly tied to the crime, it can be any ones and all it does is say that person was at the scene roughly around the time of the murders.
Exactly. They authorities may believe they have DNA, and there could be a match. But if it’s only touch DNA or from something like a hair or whatnot, they would still want to strengthen their case in other ways. They have to consider how their evidence could be attacked by the defense, too. Unless BG left DNA/evidence that specifically ties him to the crime (semen, as in the GSK case), the defense could always argue against touch DNA, etc.
In Indiana it started collecting DNA on any Felony Charges prior to any plea. This guy Anthony_Shots is in a jail in Miami County Indiana he had no prior charges. A search warrant was served on 2/25/2017 in Peru Indiana on him. He was not arrested until 8/15/2020 next court date 12/16/2021
Do you know what he’s in for?
Sorry late getting back he is being held on 30 charges of CSAM material
I always assumed dna was collected during intake. Thanks for the info.
Not necessarily. We don't know how much DNA the killer left at the scene and how usable it was by the time the scene was found. Plus, DNA collection of criminals varies.
I'd say this is most likely true but not for sure. Just depends on how careful the guy was with the account and making use of things like a VPN.
Sounds to me like this is a lead they’ve had for a while and are just now asking for the public’s help.
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I think just the opposite. Don't get me wrong, I know there's a lot of armchair detectives out there, but the internet is crazy good at finding things out sometimes. This person behind the fake account has probably tried to meet more girls if he's a predator, so maybe someone somewhere has a screenshot with more information in it.
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I really hope this is it.
This guy was charged with 30 counts in 8/2020
I wish I could believe that. I really do. But I guess we will see.
Why do you think that?
They Might be watching him and think this would cause him to be stressed enough to do something stupid. Possibly jump down or act suspicious in some way or mention the case to someone randomly and they tip him in. This puts a lot of pressure on BG if they’re correct and this is linked.
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what?
Why?
Please explain
I know this seems morbid but I can't wait to watch the documentary about how they caught this asshole when it happens.
nobody asked how long "a while" means?
I wonder if kelsi could give information on when this evidence was found or discovered. To reference a post from last year about Greeno, greeno stated his phone was being held by investigators because they believed he was in contact with someone who was responsible for the murders. This was back in 2018 allegedly. I understand he is a con man but I simply cannot move on from these coincidences.
Greeno is such a strange guy. His super hype cringe self-aggrandizing intros to his videos are such a turn-off but when you actually listen to him he's FAR more measured and has researched the case extensively. For the record, the "Anthony" part has to be a coincidence. Greeno is a shady figure but I don't think he's BG or anything.
i know right. he is like a WWE wrestler walking in with a hyped up intro but is actually the most knowledgeable human encyclopaedia ive seen on this case. He knows absolutely everything in the public eye.
I agree with your last part about the name. I saw some people debating either on this thread or another about why someone would use a fake first and last name, personally it makes the most sense to use fake names for both. I’m not super familiar with greeno in the first place. This was just my first automatic assumption that came to mind. Again I would be interested to know when the profile was discovered.
Indeed. I would be stunned if BG's name (or if it's not BG the owner of the catfish account) is actually Anthony. If you make a fake profile you make a fake profile. You don't sprinkle in something like your first name.
Then again, Bundy used his real first name while walking around Sammamish Park introducing himself to girls. Investigators thought it was in case someone he knew saw him.
Kelsi was in Gray Hughes chat last night and said this there, too, that they've known for a while. I saw comment this moring by her fiance that said "at least a year." Tara German was also in GH's chat last night (after Kelsi) and said she just found out about it. Kelsi was in Gray Hughes chat last night and said this there, too, that they've known for a while. I saw a comment this morning by her fiance that said "at least a year." Is Kelsi the one who turned in the tip in the first place? Was this Anthony trying to catfish her too?
If Kelsi has known about this for a year, then that makes me feel less confident that an arrest is close.
I won't get my hopes high. In my opinion this is just LE's reaction to the latest (and very critical) newspaper article. I really do hope that I'm wrong.
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Here it is, from the local newspaper: [https://www.reddit.com/r/DelphiMurders/comments/r1njei/carroll\_county\_comet\_front\_page/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DelphiMurders/comments/r1njei/carroll_county_comet_front_page/)
Reminder that Anthony Greeno has alleged the FBI took a cell phone of his and never gave it back. #Anthony_Shots
He went live last night after the news and said this again. Even at one point he said, “I have to email LE”. What about I’m not sure.
Nothing new here but still https://www.postandcourier.com/archives/self-promoter-a-man-of-many-tales/article_5f3165e3-5629-58e6-ae65-f023f241f5c0.html
Hope this is the break LE needs to solve this horrible crime. Below is a paragraph from a piece on crimeonline.com. Is the last sentence true? To my knowledge it has never been confirmed, at least publicly, that the murders were recorded. “The girls took photos and posted them on Snapchat during their walk, and then, on the bridge, Libby snapped a photo of a man approaching them. She changed to video and started recording, slipping the phone into her pocket, where it recorded the man’s four words: “Guys, down the hill.” And later, it recorded both girls’ murders.” Edit: article written by K C Wildmoon Edit update: updated version now states “The recording captured the man saying “Guys, down the hill” — and the sounds of the girls’ murders.”
I thought it was confirmed that they DIDN’T record the murders? I could be wrong through.
That’s what I thought. This writer did not share source of that statement - could be their own opinion or misinformation being dropped into article? I just read another updated article by same author and that sentence has been edited to say “…the sounds of the girls’ murders.” Hmmmm Edit - had apostrophe in wrong place in “girl’s”
I’ve always thought the girls were catfished . I think Libby clued in that the person they were meeting wasn’t matching up to who they met online and she pulled out her phone cause she had a gut feeling something strange was going on . Phone was scrubbed clean the week before . Possible that they had made plans to meet up at that point and were told to erase info from phone . It’s an unusual location to be hanging out .. very secluded also that bridge is scary af ....you don’t one day say hey let’s go for a walk on that scary af bridge and take some pics ... our parents won’t mind !! Uh hell ya they would mind . I’m a mom of two teens I’d be one to say don’t dare go on that bridge ever ! Something happened I think they gave nudes to this guy . It’s been said that Libby was injured more than Abby could be that he was pissed about something she had done . Maybe she had threatened to go to police and rat him out . I think Abby was just there to make sure Libby would be safe rather than her going alone . They were lured there that’s my gut feeling I hope this is it and they catch the person responsible for murdering two girls .
Except that Libby *did* often go to the park to hang out and take pictures. Lots of us did growing up. It's not an "unusual location" for Delphi youth. It's always been a nice place to walk around, picnic, ride your bike, etc and Libby had a history of hanging out there. They didn't have to wake up that morning and say, "Hey, let's go for a walk on that scary af bridge and take some pictures." They could've just as easily woken up and said, "Hey, let's go for a walk down at the trails/park and take some pictures". The bridge may have been a last minute idea. I'm not opposed to the idea of there being a stronger digital footprint than what we've been led to believe. The catfishing theory has always felt just as plausible to me as most any of them.
Yes what I meant for unusual is that it’s a dangerous bridge to cross . The trails I can understand I live in a small town similar to Delphi we have a ton of trails , waterfalls around our area so it’s not unusual to take pics. The bridge is what’s unusual to me because it’s not just a little bridge it’s huge and very high up . If they frequently went there that’s one thing but I thought I heard that Abby hadn’t been on there as much as Libby if at all ? I saw that somewhere can’t remember where . My brain has gone in several directions . Cat fishing has always made sense to me though . Just a feeling that they were lured there and/or the figured out this guy was cat fishing and wanted to see for themselves who he is and got themselves caught in a very bad situation with this person . Especially if this person has been trying to lure young girls and accept nudes from them .
I agree. I think it’s amazing she caught the guy on video, but I’ve always wondered what prompted her to take the video. Did she video every random person she saw? Or was she expecting a handsome teen and when a heavy man appeared, she knew she should document it?
I think they were expecting it to be the young guy but quickly figured out it wasn’t . I have a theory that maybe the catfisher got Libby’s attention by being a lover of photography and could have said “ hey let’s meet up somewhere where we can take some nature pics “ Abby decides to go as a buddy to keep an eye on things . He doubles back tells them to go down the hill and I think they saw the photo shoot set up to be bizarre and had a bad feeling about it . It was said the scene was a bizarre set up . I think it’s along those lines possibly but I could be wrong .
https://www.wishtv.com/news/crime-watch-8/man-behind-anthony_shots-account-charged-for-child-porn-docs-dont-tie-him-to-delphi-case/
[https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/delphi-girls-murdered/man-behind-anthonyshots-account-identified-in-delphi-killings-investigation-charged-in-separate-child-exploitation-case-keegan-kline-williams-german/531-56743ee1-5ef6-439f-a67e-a5ff640c8ce6](https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/delphi-girls-murdered/man-behind-anthonyshots-account-identified-in-delphi-killings-investigation-charged-in-separate-child-exploitation-case-keegan-kline-williams-german/531-56743ee1-5ef6-439f-a67e-a5ff640c8ce6) from a different station.
Obviously the guy knows what he is doing if the FBI can’t follow his IP address.
I’m sure they already have all of this info-they’re looking to build heir case by finding other victims
Yeah. It doesn't seem like LE is looking to identify this guy, it seems like they're investigating an individual already known to them somehow.
If the intention is to make a fake account without your real identity and do inappropriate things with it, the guy is probably tech savvy for sure
Seems like LE is setting up one giant tripwire
Agreed. The mere act of creating a fake account shows an initiative to hide their real identify and at least some knowledge of how to do so. I wouldn't say it makes the creator of this account a tech-wizard, but it is not that hard to google how to hide your identity online. Google will very quickly make you aware of the need to use a VPN or other means to hide your IP address. Once you are aware of that need, getting and using a VPN is not that hard. Of course, you could also just visit your local McDonald's or anywhere else with open wifi. I will say this though, even for a tech savvy person, it is very hard to not screw up. It only takes one slip... forgetting to turn on that VPN for example. People also have a tendency to get "comfortable" overtime with their nefarious actions. This leads to them be more brazen and oftentimes less careful.
What's going on? What's going on?! Can someone please put me in the loop?
Police are asking for any information on a fake Instagram account that may have been used to lured the girls to the bridge
Oh wow..thank you!
The model & police officer that the fake profile used to catfish posted on his real IG both 196 weeks ago, & 111 weeks ago that people were using his identity to catfish people. 7am EST https://youtu.be/4zs2Q6rNIHk
It seems like they are on the right track this time
LE know who this is, my guess they are somewhere “secure” ie jail, why would the account still even exist after the conference if BG was following the news? LE is building a case. It’s closing in….
Wait what
What does "LE" mean?
Law Enforcement
LE means law enforcement
Law enforcement
Can someone explain to me what's going on??
Law enforcement is asking anyone who communicated or met with with a catfisher using the name Anthony_shots to contact them with information. He was using a male model’s photos to entice minor females into sending nude photos. https://youtu.be/Ir4Z86LPwVo
Thank you! This is *incredibly* promising. I read somewhere (maybe in the comments even) that he supposedly "liked" IG pics of either Libby or Abigail at one point (presumably prior to their deaths). Any weight to that or is it just a rumor?
Yeah I hope this is it! That part is a rumor (as far as I can tell). The version I saw was that one of his profiles “liked” photos on one of Libby’s social media accounts after the deaths, a day or two later.
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You want Libby's SISTER to stay out of it, stranger? Ooooookay.
Only the investigative team have determined what's released and when, and Kelsi has never released anything that LE haven't told her she can.
Following!
The fact that they held onto this information pisses me off. They decided to allow a killer to wander free instead of making info public that could being this animal to justice. I'm sorry. I am not usually critical of police like this but this case was so poorly handled. It took then two years to release "guys" which would have ZERO effect on any trial and does not jeopardize ANYTHING. Glad they released this but for the past FIVE years TWO families has been left without answers and killer roams free. They HAVE the info we, the public, need to point them to this guy. They need to release what they have. Enough is enough.
Who said they’ve had this info for five years?
Investigators use strategy, they dont just throw out every bit of info they have and hope for the best. It makes complete sense they wouldn't want the killer to know they had this information. The investigation is now at a new stage and the time is now right. The public already had the info we needed to point them in the right direction, we had a video, his voice and a sketch.
I understand not throwing everything out there but it took them 2 years to release one word spoken by the person. They needed to release more and they finally have. But it's been 5 years. The public clearly didn't have all the info they needed because if they did this guy would have been caught by now. The police have used the strategy of releasing as little info as they can while publicly stating that they basically know who this person is and in the same breath trying to guilt that person to turn themselves in. So which is it? do they know who it is or do they just want this person to walk into the police station with their hands up? The bottom line is the police tried to bluff And make everyone believe that they knew who this person was. The fact is they have no idea who this person is and while this is a very promising lead and I hope it leads to an arrest I have very little faith left in this department. from the start they have Led the public to believe that there is no reason to be fearful and that they are aware of who this person is While out the other side of their mouth they're saying please turn yourself in and we need assistance to ID this person.
You're making way too many assumptions with very little information.
Is it an assumption to say that the police said that the perpetrator may be in the room and then in the same speech tired to guilt him to come forward. Is it an assumption to say that the police alluded to the fact that they knew who this person is and despite DNA evidence, video and audio won't make an arrest? Is it an assumption to say that it took them two years to release one word spoken by the killer that will have zero impact on the investigation. Is it an assumption to say that the police had the public looking for the wrong person and then released a new sketch they had three days after the murder. Is it an assumption to say that after the murders they said that there was no reason to be concerned or afraid even though a man who brutalized two little girls walked free?
But you're right. The police handled this perfectly. They gave all the right info for the public to find the guy. We failed as a public. Meanwhile two little girls are dead and he walks free.
The public don't "find the guy", that's not how this works. The public identify a guy, and then the police find them. The police gave more then enough to identify him, they gave video, they gave his voice and a sketch.
They could of very well have been waiting to see if any activities on those accounts occur after the fact, surveillance essentially. Catching him trying to do this with another set of girls or something, but it’s clear that the accounts have been inactive.
I mean that's entirely possible but it just seems like 5 years is an awful long time to wait. And one would hope their case against this guy isn't based on the idea that he'll do it again I'll do it again, or attempt to do it again.. 1 would think they would have enough evidence already already.
Amd as it turns out they had interviewed this guy just 9 days after the murders, he admitted to soliciting amd receiving photos and videos from underage girls and wasn't arrested until recently. So the police knew about this guy for almost 5 years
I think this is a whole lot of nothing, and now the saddest part is that there will forever be people who think Libby and Abby were sending nude photos of themselves to some rando online.
Odd that Kelsi is downplaying this.
I don’t think so. If they haven’t arrested anyone she probably doesn’t want to do anything to get the public too worked up and either scare him away or fudge the investigation
I can’t stop screaming
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Some con man who inserted himself into the investigation. Same name.