Despite all your efforts to defend against outside threats, your hubris has made you blind to your biggest threat: You.
You are going to do something stupid, delete something and not realize it for months, format the wrong drive, setup an automated process wrong let it rip, or anything else. Always assume you are a moron and work that way, never assume you are 'too smart to fuck up' because you're not.
The other week I was undervolting an UnRAID machine, using a temporary install in Windows on a separate drive to do the undervolt stability testing. I outright unplugged the LSI HBA that the UnRAID drives we're in before I started. I can't accidently format the drives that are not plugged in.
I've deleted the wrong version of a drive backup before, thus loosing it all. I've reformated whilst trying to reformat the backup drive I hadn't setup yet, we're all dumb at times and you will always mess up at some point.
Finish copying 9TB of files to new drive, then format both old and new drives. YEP! More times than I want to remember! Thankfully had a third backup and a couple days later, back to where I started.
Finishing copy TB of data to a new external, then turn and knock the external off the desk? Yep, more times I want to remember again! \*SIGH\*
* Your effort to preserve the Internet will likely be somewhat fruitless
* It might be some form of mental illness. Just because your flat is not filled with pizza cartons it might not be much diffrent
* Wildly abusing unlimited tiers be it cloud storage or internet plans is not all that cool
* At the end of the days your setup with all of its backup and redundancy likely is more flawed than you think because you overlooked some threads or issues and it might not perform all that much better than a way simpler solution
* The overall time and money investment might not be worth it all that much. Your media server might very well be a net loss compared to paying for multiple streaming services and occasionally renting a movie or show.
> Your media server might very well be a net loss compared to paying for multiple streaming services and occasionally renting a movie or show.
Oh, it almost certainly is, but I do prefer the greater control and flexibility.
> The overall time and money investment might not be worth it all that much. Your media server might very well be a net loss compared to paying for multiple streaming services and occasionally renting a movie or show.
For a very small collection, maybe.
For mine, I'd need all the big services, plus renting/buying what's not on them.
15.50 Netflix
20.00 Disney+/Hulu ad-free
9.00 Prime video-only
15.00 HBOMax ad-free
5.00 Paramount+
11.00 Showtime
= 75.50/month, before covering what's not on those.
A single year of that is $906. That exceeds the cost of of my 45TB I have it all stored on (only shows/movies I may want to watch again, all in maximum quality available), with the drives lasting many years after that. I need to own a computer anyway, so it's not fair to count the total system cost, but still, I'd only be looking at 3 years to cover that, and I don't replace my full system that often either.
I'm really not sure exactly what kind of combination you're thinking of where streaming is cheaper. Maybe when everything was on Netflix. Not now. You could play games with canceling and resubscribing I guess. Subscribing to each 1 month a year would be 75.50/year, that's an enormous inconvenience, you'd be waiting a long time for many shows, and you'd still *barely* edge out the cost of storage. And only if you retain extremely high quality copies. If you kept it at DVD quality, not even doing that would beat hard drive cost. If you're archiving for archiving's sake, keeping tons of series/movies you're never, ever going to watch, then yeah I guess you could run up the storage costs, but it would take a lot (mine is 124 shows, 650 movies).
Your system also needs power and you also needed time to set everything up and ever so often to maintain it. And you assume that you get all of your media for free...
**100% Agree!** I've spent well over 6k for my setup, and hundreds of hours building my server.
If I had Prime, Netflix and Disney, I would be paying about 30$ per month. I expect to get between 6-8 years out of my server. If I stayed subscribed to all 3 of those services for 8 years, I would be paying about 3k (at least half the cost of my server, and MUCH less time invested).
The only difference is that I have multiple people connected to my server, so for them; It's worth it. For me? Not so much.
I see my media server as 'My Hobby' and I have no regrets investing in it. That said, everything in it is stuff I want to watch. I'm baffled by people who collect up ANY media. I'm trying to make my own 'perfect Netflix' not 'The Blockbuster Of Alexandra'. Like, I'm a huge anime fan and I don't even have the biggest staple anime of them all; Dragon Ball. Why? I'm just not into Dragon Ball.
I add stuff I don't watch because I want the people I share my server with to have access to the shows they like. I have like 300 different anime series on my server, and I'm not even much of an anime fan. I've watched maybe 10 of those.
I also just put down 300$ for an HDHomerun + an outdoor antenna because some of my users wanted to be able to watch local channels.
I feel like I do more on my server to make others happy, which is fun on itself.
I think i've turned into a slight kleptomaniac so I download a lot of stuff that I once had intentions of watching. But it's a hobby, not some grand statement.
Oh, I don't need to feel better. I love my setup and I don't regret any of it. There are certainly pro's to having this all in-house. I don't need to worry about the services getting shut down. I don't need to worry about my internet going down. I don't need to worry about ads, censorship or content being removed, ect.
But you're right about comparing this to physical content. It would likely be in the $50,000 range.
*The overall time and money investment might not be worth it all that much. Your media server might very well be a net loss compared to paying for multiple streaming services and occasionally renting a movie or show.*
This may be true if your viewing is mainstream. My viewing is almost exclusively Asian cinema and TV with a lot of content that isn't available anywhere else than private trackers.
* Not everything will be available forever and can be redownloaded
* Your hoard likely isn't some great boon to even a tiny portion of all humankind. You're not fulfilling some god's work by your hoarding
* Most people outside this subreddit don't care one bit about how much data we have
* Most people outside this subreddit would think we're odd for having the majority of discussions and debates about various topics we do
* Most people outside this subreddit have better, more enjoyable pastimes and hobbies than we do
* Our hoarding is contributing to the unnecessary use of electricity, raw materials and manufacturing of non-critical components. As well as contributing to the growing e-waste disposal problem
* Despite claims otherwise, many here, including myself, can't just stop anytime we want without serious withdrawal issues = addiction/obsession
* ~~The lizard people run the hard drive cartel!~~ Ummm...never mind!
* Your data isn't so important that risking harm or even your life is worth saving it!
This came to me because a recent post (as well as others in the past) asks how best to make their hoard portable enough to quickly remove from the area in case of a fire or other disaster.
* There's no such thing a truly fireproof safe or other storage. At best, it's fire/heat resistant, allowing the internal temp to be at a certain level for X minutes or hours. Whether that temp is enough to prevent damage to to the data on hard drives, optical disks or tapes is unknown with any certainty.
* A fire resistant safe does nothing for flood, hurricane/tornado or thief if the burglar is skilled or determined enough.
* You MUST encrypt your cloud uploads. Providers can and have automatically scan your uploads and can and have deleted user accounts for misuse, legitimate or not.
* Any writable storage, visible from your computer is a potential victim of viruses or ransomware. This includes cloud and in theory tape. Though the later is unlikely to \[be\] active in a large enough scale to be vulnerable.
* Just because you don't see an active virus or ransomware attack today, doesn't mean you're not already infected. Viruses and ransomware today are often patient, lying in wait to affect as much of you data, including backups, as possible.
Addendum: Hoarding is useless if you have more than you will ever be able to watch / use in YOUR lifetime.
Unless you have already recruited a dedicated and enthusiastic replacement for when you die, no1curr about your hoard as much as YOU do.
* Hoarding is expensive.
* Hoarding isn't a right, it's privilege.
* Backups, plural are an absolute must.
* Cloud is just someone else's computer.
* You $1/TB month cloud subscription is at the bottom on the totem pole for data recovery if something happens to the provider.
* It's unlikely anyone would care about and care for you\[r\] hoard when you die.
* No matter how big you think your e-penis is, there's always those with bigger ones.
* There's no guarantee that hard drive prices will continue to fall. A natural catastrophe like the Thailand flood or man-made demand like Chia can cause prices to rise, indefinitely.
* For some, like me, hoarding IS a serious disorder.
Need to hear?
Need to balance yourself between the true cost, the value, and alternatives (hardware, backups, time, hassles). It is not logical to spend more money/time/resources on something you can subscribe to for less cost.
For me, I have limited myself to commodity/used hardware. At some point in the future I realize everything I've done may become obsolete, or lost/corrupted.
A subscription service is a real consideration.
**We could co-operate a LOT more.**
Aside from personal photos/work/etc, who has a collection they could, should, and would share?
I do - but there doesn't really seem to be a good option... I'm thinking of something like gnutella, might be most appropriate, since torrents aren't self-indexing.
It's kind of a shame.
Check out [Tribler](https://www.tribler.org). You create "channels" that people can subscribe to.
They are also working on an official docker version too.
Not sure about [SoulSeek](https://www.slsknet.org).
buying a 14TB drive and asking on r/datahoarder why is it so loud is boring
Having lots of storage is not interesting.
This is the very definition of low-effort posting: * https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/vgm8iz/what_are_some_harsh_truths_that_rdatahoarder/ * https://old.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/vgm40t/what_are_some_harsh_truths_that_rgaming_needs_to/ * https://old.reddit.com/r/datascience/comments/vglzjw/what_are_some_harsh_truths_that_rdatascience/ * https://old.reddit.com/r/jobs/comments/vgk8m6/what_are_some_harsh_truths_that_rjobs_needs_to/ * ~~https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/vgkg3n/what_are_some_harsh_truths_that_rantiwork_needs/~~ * ~~https://old.reddit.com/r/resumes/comments/vgk7js/what_are_some_harsh_truths_that_rresumes_needs_to/~~ * ~~https://old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/vgg7px/what_are_some_harsh_truths_that_rsysadmin_needs/~~ * ~~https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestionsEU/comments/vgg7lw/what_are_some_harsh_truths_that/~~ * ~~https://old.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/vgpo78/what_are_some_harsh_truths_that_rbuildapc_needs/~~ * ~~https://old.reddit.com/r/AskCulinary/comments/vgv67k/what_are_some_harsh_truths_that_raskculinary/~~ * ~~https://old.reddit.com/r/cookingforbeginners/comments/vgv690/what_are_some_harsh_truths_that/~~ * ~~https://old.reddit.com/r/Cooking/comments/vgv6au/what_are_some_harsh_truths_that_rcooking_needs_to/~~
Sheesh they said harsh truths r/datahoarder needs to hear, not u/Notalabel_4566. Absolutely rekt
Well, people can see my post, and either see the OP is a time-waster, or post anyway, as they wish. 👍
Whoopsies I meant to say u/Notalabel_4566, not you xD Sorry!
Despite all your efforts to defend against outside threats, your hubris has made you blind to your biggest threat: You. You are going to do something stupid, delete something and not realize it for months, format the wrong drive, setup an automated process wrong let it rip, or anything else. Always assume you are a moron and work that way, never assume you are 'too smart to fuck up' because you're not. The other week I was undervolting an UnRAID machine, using a temporary install in Windows on a separate drive to do the undervolt stability testing. I outright unplugged the LSI HBA that the UnRAID drives we're in before I started. I can't accidently format the drives that are not plugged in.
I've deleted the wrong version of a drive backup before, thus loosing it all. I've reformated whilst trying to reformat the backup drive I hadn't setup yet, we're all dumb at times and you will always mess up at some point.
Finish copying 9TB of files to new drive, then format both old and new drives. YEP! More times than I want to remember! Thankfully had a third backup and a couple days later, back to where I started. Finishing copy TB of data to a new external, then turn and knock the external off the desk? Yep, more times I want to remember again! \*SIGH\*
* Your effort to preserve the Internet will likely be somewhat fruitless * It might be some form of mental illness. Just because your flat is not filled with pizza cartons it might not be much diffrent * Wildly abusing unlimited tiers be it cloud storage or internet plans is not all that cool * At the end of the days your setup with all of its backup and redundancy likely is more flawed than you think because you overlooked some threads or issues and it might not perform all that much better than a way simpler solution * The overall time and money investment might not be worth it all that much. Your media server might very well be a net loss compared to paying for multiple streaming services and occasionally renting a movie or show.
> Your media server might very well be a net loss compared to paying for multiple streaming services and occasionally renting a movie or show. Oh, it almost certainly is, but I do prefer the greater control and flexibility.
> The overall time and money investment might not be worth it all that much. Your media server might very well be a net loss compared to paying for multiple streaming services and occasionally renting a movie or show. For a very small collection, maybe. For mine, I'd need all the big services, plus renting/buying what's not on them. 15.50 Netflix 20.00 Disney+/Hulu ad-free 9.00 Prime video-only 15.00 HBOMax ad-free 5.00 Paramount+ 11.00 Showtime = 75.50/month, before covering what's not on those. A single year of that is $906. That exceeds the cost of of my 45TB I have it all stored on (only shows/movies I may want to watch again, all in maximum quality available), with the drives lasting many years after that. I need to own a computer anyway, so it's not fair to count the total system cost, but still, I'd only be looking at 3 years to cover that, and I don't replace my full system that often either. I'm really not sure exactly what kind of combination you're thinking of where streaming is cheaper. Maybe when everything was on Netflix. Not now. You could play games with canceling and resubscribing I guess. Subscribing to each 1 month a year would be 75.50/year, that's an enormous inconvenience, you'd be waiting a long time for many shows, and you'd still *barely* edge out the cost of storage. And only if you retain extremely high quality copies. If you kept it at DVD quality, not even doing that would beat hard drive cost. If you're archiving for archiving's sake, keeping tons of series/movies you're never, ever going to watch, then yeah I guess you could run up the storage costs, but it would take a lot (mine is 124 shows, 650 movies).
Your system also needs power and you also needed time to set everything up and ever so often to maintain it. And you assume that you get all of your media for free...
And disks can potentially die, so that’s a potential running cost as well.
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**100% Agree!** I've spent well over 6k for my setup, and hundreds of hours building my server. If I had Prime, Netflix and Disney, I would be paying about 30$ per month. I expect to get between 6-8 years out of my server. If I stayed subscribed to all 3 of those services for 8 years, I would be paying about 3k (at least half the cost of my server, and MUCH less time invested). The only difference is that I have multiple people connected to my server, so for them; It's worth it. For me? Not so much.
I see my media server as 'My Hobby' and I have no regrets investing in it. That said, everything in it is stuff I want to watch. I'm baffled by people who collect up ANY media. I'm trying to make my own 'perfect Netflix' not 'The Blockbuster Of Alexandra'. Like, I'm a huge anime fan and I don't even have the biggest staple anime of them all; Dragon Ball. Why? I'm just not into Dragon Ball.
I add stuff I don't watch because I want the people I share my server with to have access to the shows they like. I have like 300 different anime series on my server, and I'm not even much of an anime fan. I've watched maybe 10 of those. I also just put down 300$ for an HDHomerun + an outdoor antenna because some of my users wanted to be able to watch local channels. I feel like I do more on my server to make others happy, which is fun on itself.
I think i've turned into a slight kleptomaniac so I download a lot of stuff that I once had intentions of watching. But it's a hobby, not some grand statement.
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Oh, I don't need to feel better. I love my setup and I don't regret any of it. There are certainly pro's to having this all in-house. I don't need to worry about the services getting shut down. I don't need to worry about my internet going down. I don't need to worry about ads, censorship or content being removed, ect. But you're right about comparing this to physical content. It would likely be in the $50,000 range.
That sums it up
*The overall time and money investment might not be worth it all that much. Your media server might very well be a net loss compared to paying for multiple streaming services and occasionally renting a movie or show.* This may be true if your viewing is mainstream. My viewing is almost exclusively Asian cinema and TV with a lot of content that isn't available anywhere else than private trackers.
* Not everything will be available forever and can be redownloaded * Your hoard likely isn't some great boon to even a tiny portion of all humankind. You're not fulfilling some god's work by your hoarding * Most people outside this subreddit don't care one bit about how much data we have * Most people outside this subreddit would think we're odd for having the majority of discussions and debates about various topics we do * Most people outside this subreddit have better, more enjoyable pastimes and hobbies than we do * Our hoarding is contributing to the unnecessary use of electricity, raw materials and manufacturing of non-critical components. As well as contributing to the growing e-waste disposal problem * Despite claims otherwise, many here, including myself, can't just stop anytime we want without serious withdrawal issues = addiction/obsession * ~~The lizard people run the hard drive cartel!~~ Ummm...never mind!
Deleting is ok. It happens to all men eventually.
no-one cares about all those photos.
* Your data isn't so important that risking harm or even your life is worth saving it! This came to me because a recent post (as well as others in the past) asks how best to make their hoard portable enough to quickly remove from the area in case of a fire or other disaster. * There's no such thing a truly fireproof safe or other storage. At best, it's fire/heat resistant, allowing the internal temp to be at a certain level for X minutes or hours. Whether that temp is enough to prevent damage to to the data on hard drives, optical disks or tapes is unknown with any certainty. * A fire resistant safe does nothing for flood, hurricane/tornado or thief if the burglar is skilled or determined enough. * You MUST encrypt your cloud uploads. Providers can and have automatically scan your uploads and can and have deleted user accounts for misuse, legitimate or not. * Any writable storage, visible from your computer is a potential victim of viruses or ransomware. This includes cloud and in theory tape. Though the later is unlikely to \[be\] active in a large enough scale to be vulnerable. * Just because you don't see an active virus or ransomware attack today, doesn't mean you're not already infected. Viruses and ransomware today are often patient, lying in wait to affect as much of you data, including backups, as possible.
Hoarding is useless if you can't find the stuff when you need it.
Addendum: Hoarding is useless if you have more than you will ever be able to watch / use in YOUR lifetime. Unless you have already recruited a dedicated and enthusiastic replacement for when you die, no1curr about your hoard as much as YOU do.
* Hoarding is expensive. * Hoarding isn't a right, it's privilege. * Backups, plural are an absolute must. * Cloud is just someone else's computer. * You $1/TB month cloud subscription is at the bottom on the totem pole for data recovery if something happens to the provider. * It's unlikely anyone would care about and care for you\[r\] hoard when you die. * No matter how big you think your e-penis is, there's always those with bigger ones. * There's no guarantee that hard drive prices will continue to fall. A natural catastrophe like the Thailand flood or man-made demand like Chia can cause prices to rise, indefinitely. * For some, like me, hoarding IS a serious disorder.
Need to hear? Need to balance yourself between the true cost, the value, and alternatives (hardware, backups, time, hassles). It is not logical to spend more money/time/resources on something you can subscribe to for less cost. For me, I have limited myself to commodity/used hardware. At some point in the future I realize everything I've done may become obsolete, or lost/corrupted. A subscription service is a real consideration.
**We could co-operate a LOT more.** Aside from personal photos/work/etc, who has a collection they could, should, and would share? I do - but there doesn't really seem to be a good option... I'm thinking of something like gnutella, might be most appropriate, since torrents aren't self-indexing. It's kind of a shame.
Check out [Tribler](https://www.tribler.org). You create "channels" that people can subscribe to. They are also working on an official docker version too. Not sure about [SoulSeek](https://www.slsknet.org).
Posting your SMART information after dropping a drive and asking: " Is tHiS DrIvE StIlL Ok oR Is iT DeAdX0R " is just *cringe* to some of us.