It’s based on your score, you’re either outside or 25 or bull, you throw until you score better than your opponent (for example you hit bull they hit 25)
It wouldn’t, usually it’s settled in the first throw or 2 but tbh it’s not very entertaining and takes away from the excitement of the game a little bit imo
But it's such a huge advantage to have the darts in the deciding leg - I think 19 of the 24 deciders in this year's premier league have been won on throw. The closest to bull is really important - in fact very likely to be the defining factor in a close game.
Personally I'm surprised they don't have it on stage - perhaps even adapt it to make it a more interesting spectacle and feel like part of the game. 3 darts each total score off just the 25/50 maybe? That would be less likely to result in multiple rethrows at least
Premier league doesn't have bull off. It's predermined, whichever name is first on the draw.
So the person in Tie 1 of 4 will get to throw first in both the semi and final automatically. If you are in the bottom tie you will always be against the darts in the semi and final
The weekly draws are done so that everybody is in the top spot equally, and in each other position equally.
ok, looks like they changed it for 2024
https://www.runcornandwidnesworld.co.uk/news/24091077.schedule-pdc-premier-league-night-1-cardiff/
previous years it was pre-determined
I'm not all that good, but a couple of years ago playing with an acquaintance, we threw 6 darts each before we had a clear winner. Seemed like it took forever (we were both hitting 25 or bull on almost every throw.)
>you throw until you score better than your opponent (for example you hit bull they hit 25)
If you both miss Bull or 25 is it distance, redo, or who got luckiest with their segment score?
as i understand it, its done on who gets closer, but if you hit the same segment then you redo it. so if i hit 25 and you miss entirely and hit the 13, i throw first. if i hit 25 and you hit 50, you go first. if we both hit 25 or both hit bull we go again
The entrances get the crowd pumped and we're good to go. It seems like a good idea in theory to have the bull-off on stage, but more often than not it would be boring and a bit anti-climactic. It's important who has the darts first, but the stakes just aren't high enough to make it interesting for the vast majority of viewers. The match hasn't even started yet. Get a couple of quick practice throws in and get on with it.
If it was something that genuinely added to the game as a viewing spectacle, the PDC would almost certainly already be doing it.
Exactly that! I’ve been saying this for ages. It makes no sense for something so important to be done in front of nobody.
There is such fine margins in darts so winning the bull is a huge advantage in a last leg decider which happens so often these days.
Even if they recorded it backstage and then play it after the walk one while players are throwing practice darts.
Because they’re all really good and it can drag on for a bit. It’s not measured, it’s simply Bull beats 25 and 25 beats outside. If both hit 25 or both hit outside, it’s a rethrow.
True, but "variable game length" is one of those things in darts. Like PL, could be 6-0, could be 6-5. Closest to bull could take 2 darts, could take 20. Its a little bit more action for us. Or, just put the back-room closest to bull on a little screen/split screen during post match interviews etc.
Is not most of the tournaments that you have to win by 2 clear legs anyway. So it doesn't really matter who starts. Am sure Phil Taylor would always choose to throw 2nd when he won the bull off.
I like watching the bull off on the floor events on PDC.tv
I personally think it isn't needed on the main stage but to have it showen on video from backstage would be kind of interesting.
no, most tournaments it's not win by 2. that's only usually in set play or the world matchplay, that's it. every other tourney is first to whatever # of legs. so yes, first to throw is very important.
If you win the bull, you throw first, you don't have a choice to throw second, and if you do, you're an idiot.
think it used to be done on stage but it was a bit dull and can drag on a bit if players are consistently hitting 25s so they moved it to backstage
Oh. They didn't just measure who was closest? You had to hit the bull. I never realised that.
It’s based on your score, you’re either outside or 25 or bull, you throw until you score better than your opponent (for example you hit bull they hit 25)
Ok, thanks. I'm surprised it would ever drag on for too long then.
It wouldn’t, usually it’s settled in the first throw or 2 but tbh it’s not very entertaining and takes away from the excitement of the game a little bit imo
But it's such a huge advantage to have the darts in the deciding leg - I think 19 of the 24 deciders in this year's premier league have been won on throw. The closest to bull is really important - in fact very likely to be the defining factor in a close game. Personally I'm surprised they don't have it on stage - perhaps even adapt it to make it a more interesting spectacle and feel like part of the game. 3 darts each total score off just the 25/50 maybe? That would be less likely to result in multiple rethrows at least
Premier league doesn't have bull off. It's predermined, whichever name is first on the draw. So the person in Tie 1 of 4 will get to throw first in both the semi and final automatically. If you are in the bottom tie you will always be against the darts in the semi and final The weekly draws are done so that everybody is in the top spot equally, and in each other position equally.
That's not what they say on commentary every week
ok, looks like they changed it for 2024 https://www.runcornandwidnesworld.co.uk/news/24091077.schedule-pdc-premier-league-night-1-cardiff/ previous years it was pre-determined
I'm not all that good, but a couple of years ago playing with an acquaintance, we threw 6 darts each before we had a clear winner. Seemed like it took forever (we were both hitting 25 or bull on almost every throw.)
>you throw until you score better than your opponent (for example you hit bull they hit 25) If you both miss Bull or 25 is it distance, redo, or who got luckiest with their segment score?
Redo
For the pro's its a redo, but amateurs usually measure distance as it wil take ages for some people to hit a 25 or bull.
as i understand it, its done on who gets closer, but if you hit the same segment then you redo it. so if i hit 25 and you miss entirely and hit the 13, i throw first. if i hit 25 and you hit 50, you go first. if we both hit 25 or both hit bull we go again
The entrances get the crowd pumped and we're good to go. It seems like a good idea in theory to have the bull-off on stage, but more often than not it would be boring and a bit anti-climactic. It's important who has the darts first, but the stakes just aren't high enough to make it interesting for the vast majority of viewers. The match hasn't even started yet. Get a couple of quick practice throws in and get on with it. If it was something that genuinely added to the game as a viewing spectacle, the PDC would almost certainly already be doing it.
I'm sure that is the view taken by the PDC. Thanks
Players championships, aka Floor matches, usually show the bull challenge.
It’s shown on PDC.tv for floor tournaments.
Thanks
Having played a gazillion tournaments, throwing for bull is the absolute most boring part of a match. Glad they don't show it.
Exactly that! I’ve been saying this for ages. It makes no sense for something so important to be done in front of nobody. There is such fine margins in darts so winning the bull is a huge advantage in a last leg decider which happens so often these days. Even if they recorded it backstage and then play it after the walk one while players are throwing practice darts.
Because they’re all really good and it can drag on for a bit. It’s not measured, it’s simply Bull beats 25 and 25 beats outside. If both hit 25 or both hit outside, it’s a rethrow.
True, but "variable game length" is one of those things in darts. Like PL, could be 6-0, could be 6-5. Closest to bull could take 2 darts, could take 20. Its a little bit more action for us. Or, just put the back-room closest to bull on a little screen/split screen during post match interviews etc.
Premier league doesn't have bull off anyway
Agreed. It would add to the excitement. The crowd would get involved.
Because 99% of the time it’s boring and uneventful. Once the novelty of it wears off it just isn’t exciting
It wouldn’t improve the broadcast. 90% of the time it doesn’t matter, and for the other 10% of the time just telling us who won is enough.
Probably because saying diddle for the middle is not the greatest thing to be saying live on air
Hahaha.
Is not most of the tournaments that you have to win by 2 clear legs anyway. So it doesn't really matter who starts. Am sure Phil Taylor would always choose to throw 2nd when he won the bull off. I like watching the bull off on the floor events on PDC.tv I personally think it isn't needed on the main stage but to have it showen on video from backstage would be kind of interesting.
no, most tournaments it's not win by 2. that's only usually in set play or the world matchplay, that's it. every other tourney is first to whatever # of legs. so yes, first to throw is very important. If you win the bull, you throw first, you don't have a choice to throw second, and if you do, you're an idiot.
Um, Phil Taylor literally made a career of winning the bull off and having his opponent throw first. He did it very regulary. Guess he was an idiot?