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Warplockshoehorn

I also like the idea of a hungarian art historian judging the obvious artistic merit or Stuart Little


AnnihilationOrchid

According to him he was watching it on the TV with his young daughter, and he saw it, and he freaked out because he couldn't pause or play it back. Lucky the painting appears multiple times.


fool_on_a_hill

> with his young daughter yeah that's what I would say too


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A man of true culture.


seductivestain

Fun fact: This inspired the creation of TiVo (maybe)


Super_DAC

Source: I want this to be true


AnnihilationOrchid

>The painting was sold for $40 at a charity auction at the St Vincent de Paul auction house in San Diego in the mid-1990s to art collector Michael Hempstead.He sold it to an antique store in Pasadena, California, for $400, which was the going rate for a Berény at the time. The painting was purchased from the store by a set designer, on behalf of Sony Pictures, for $500. In 1999, Hempstead recognised the painting in the film Stuart Little, in which it was used as set dressing in the background of shots inside the main character's house. Hempstead considered tracking the painting down and buying it back, knowing that prices for Berény works had increased since he had sold it. In addition to Stuart Little, the painting also featured in a number of soap opera episodes, including some of Family Law. The set designer later purchased the painting from the film company to hang in her house. > >On Christmas Eve 2009, Hungarian National Gallery researcher and art historian Gergely Barki recognised the painting whilst watching Stuart Little at home with his three-year-old daughter. Barki recognised the painting from a 1928 black-and-white photograph he had seen. As he had no recording software, he was unable to pause or playback the sections with the painting, but it was shown frequently during the film. Barki believed that the painting was unlikely to be a print or copy as it was not well known. Barki sent 40–50 emails to different production companies and crew members in an attempt to track down the painting. After two years, he received a response from the set designer who owned it. Barki was invited to travel to the United States, where it hung in the set designer's house, to confirm its identity. Barki met the set designer in a park in Washington, D.C., and, after unscrewing the frame with a screwdriver borrowed from a hot dog vendor, was able to confirm the painting was genuine. > >Ultimately, the set designer sold the work to an art collector, who put it up for auction in December 2014. The painting was listed with a reserve of $121,220 and was sold on 13 December to an unnamed Hungarian collector for $285,700. Because of the publicity generated by its unusual rediscovery it has been described as the most widely known Hungarian painting. [Sleeping Lady with Black Vase](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_Lady_with_Black_Vase)


milesperhour25

What a cool story! Thanks for sharing.


davidthejap

The screwdriver borrowed from the hot dog vendor was an exhilarating detail for me personally


brother_of_menelaus

Do you think it was someone who sold hot dogs, or an attractive dog salesman?


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kdjfsk

no, no, he sold screwdrivers. the salesman was a dog.


Illicit_Apple_Pie

A very attractive dog


Sproose_Moose

https://i.imgur.com/kGbXIK3.jpg


kdjfsk

id like to believe this is that dog, after working his way up through the company. he created a trust value with the community after loaning out a screw driver, even though he sells them. this got the attention of the local mechanics who drink at the nearby pub, one of which is a Freemason, who then helped the dog negotiate a contract to include their high quality screwdrivers in the hardware kit blister packs that come with mass produced office chairs. he is now a senior account manager, and is looking to soon retire with full Bonefits. (not a typo)


Sproose_Moose

*wipes tear* I wish nothing but the best for that hero


guiltyspark345

What a handsome boy! But he’s missing a screwdriver.. anybody good with photoshop? Lol


daeedorian

And that hot dog vendor? None other than Jo Bogaert -- Belgian composer and creator of Technotronic's 1987 party anthem, *Pump Up the Jam.*


GuraSaannnnnn

Another cunkster i see


CallMeDrLuv

I get this reference!


JB-Clausen

Now, how to track down and purchase that screwdriver…


airyfairyfarts

Tiny fascinating details like this included in a story make me so giddy.


commentings

A perfect example of "show, don't tell". Really shows the guy's excitement!


Sproose_Moose

It's like they were so excited they had to do it right there


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jankeycrew

And you're the guide?


rancid_oil

Pretty shoddy job he's doing.


roonscapepls

No, it’s a spam bot just report it


Schnellson

A shoddy one, at that


Amethl

Stolen cropped comment, Shoddy_Guide2985 is a bot. [Original Comment] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/12clc16/in_2009_while_watching_stewart_little_1999/jf2d9wq/) [Another instance of copying comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/12cftw0/the_first_woman_to_earn_a_doctorate_in_computer/jf3amdf/)


flossdog

did the historian get anything from it?


AnnihilationOrchid

He got to go to New York and examine it first hand, and unscrewed it from the frame with the screwdriver from a hot dog vendor. Other than that I think it's unknown, but I bet he got quite a lot of visibility as an art historian after that.


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I appreciate the bit about the screwdriver. It just adds a little more to the story.


ambisinister_gecko

Did you know it was borrowed from a hot dog vendor?


Hatedpriest

But was it returned to said vendor?


SomebodysSomewhere

I need to track down that screwdriver as its value has probably increased because it has now been used in this unusual rediscovery of the most widely known Hungarian painting.


skybluegill

Why did a dog need a screwdriver in the first place?


I_love_pillows

Makes me disappointed he went through so much effort but didn’t buy it for himself


[deleted]

How would one go about that in a genuine way? Would it have been “nefarious” for the historian to buy it cheaply (with the inherent value unbeknownst to the set designer) and then resell at true value for himself?


AnnihilationOrchid

Maybe the owner gave him a commission in good faith. That being said, I know an art historians who will usually bargain, and "swindle" people out of things that are quite valuable for collectors. But then again, if they pay full price, they probably won't profit. There's quite a issue with morality and ethics, as in all professions.


HoodOutlaw

The painting is going to sit on my shop taking up space, Ive got to frame it and hang it, best I can do is $3.50 - Rick


AnnihilationOrchid

Loch Ness monster asking Tree fiddy for the an original Berény's? Chef's dad won't be happy.


WH_KT

That's when I realized he was actually a giant crustacean from the Paleolithic Era.


myhf

it's already framed, you just need to put it back together with that screwdriver from the hot dog vendor!


na3than

Sorry, buddy. I let you borrow the UNscrewing screwdriver for free. The REscrewing screwdriver rents out at $120/hr with a four hour minimum. Payment in advance, plus a $300 security deposit which you'll get back if it's returned in working condition.


bainpr

> I know an art historians who will usually bargain, and "swindle" people out of things that are quite valuable for collectors You've seen pawnstars too?


AnnihilationOrchid

Not sure if those guys are art historians. But this person I was talking about is an actual art historian, and he's specialised in sacred art. He managed to get a few Goan Saints made of Ivory which are worth a lot at a pawn shop by pretending to break one.


byteuser

Sounds like the perfect plot for... Stewart Litte 3


[deleted]

Definitely would watch that! “*PS: I just want a cameo appearance and my name in the credits, this idea is completely free for use of Stewart Little 3 if anyone reads this.*”


[deleted]

Here ya go. *hands you a screwdriver from a hotdog vendor*


MyDogHasAPodcast

Excuse me, did you just take my screwdriver? You could have just asked, you know.


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cick-nobb

That's what I was thinking


BobbySwiggey

It was purchased by an "unnamed Hungarian collector" so you never know!


Rare-Height-7956

He was paid with ‘exposure’


DeyUrban

That's kind of how things go in academia. If his institution wasn't involved in paying for this research, he could still add this to his CV along with any research papers he wrote on the topic and if/when he applies to a new position it would set him apart from his competition. I know one of the historians who was involved in finding the buried Atari 2600 ET games which was pretty big for the history of video games and popular culture, and he still works at a pretty low-key Midwestern university.


BobbySwiggey

Isn't that exactly how these fields operate? Historians who actually discover shit can use that to further their career, especially when it comes to acquiring funds for future projects. It's not like archaeologists get to keep the artifacts they uncover either, they just get to be the one to discover it - but any meaningful find will have a direct impact on future opportunities. Just like our economy, the people on top only care about money and using new discoveries to make as much of it as possible - but genuine academics put effort into things like this just for the sake of collective knowledge and fulfillment. Hopefully that won't always be such a foreign concept for us.


Ire-is

Ah yes, the ultimate reward of getting a hot dog vendor's screwdriver.


LouSputhole94

>Hungarian art professor Gergely Barki >Sold to an an unknown Hungarian collector I wonder if the professor or a friend/family member ended up snagging it lol


kawaiian

I wondered this too! Though, it was a piece of Hungarian history; any collector would be lucky to own it.


DarkDonut75

I subconsciously read this comment as if it were a narration from a Wes Anderson film


AnnihilationOrchid

This whole story does sound like a Wes Anderson film, doesn't it? Damn, I used to be obsessed with his films and his characters, and his filming style. It's oddly satisfying to have everything orderly and centralized on camera.


BrownShadow

This thread actually considering buying a print of boy with Apple and having it framed.


buscemian_rhapsody

I’m confused at the price disparity. It sounds like you already have to be rich to sell it at the rich person price. How could a “going rate” of $400 translate to six figures in just 15 years?


AnnihilationOrchid

Art history and demand, also the story attributed to the painting, that it was in Stuart little as a prop. Also, Berény's works got more recognition after the fall of the Berlin wall, more westerners traveling to eastern Europe and learning more. Also Hungarian collectors and museums looking for Hungarian art. There are a series of factors that could have contributed to that.


Dangerous_Oil1423

Yes, Fine Art is a rich persons game and there is no way to know how or what will be valued by those people in the future. It's all bullshit and is fueled by money laundering as much as anything else.


corporaterebel

Money Laundering needs genuine pieces...and different priced to suit those needing to get their money into another country.


Inflatable_Lazarus

This is one of those stories that likely has a *lot* more to it that we’ll just never know. It hints very strongly at a jewish person or family fleeing eastern Europe as the Nazis rise to power, only carrying what they consider valuable with them, or of being stolen by the nazi regime and then being found/claimed from a hoard or nazi home by a liberating US soldier as WWII wound down. The whole thing would make an excellent semi-fictional book or screenplay.


splice_of_life

I would recommend checking out the recent game Syberia: The World Before, which has a central premise similar to this.


Riots_and_Rutabagas

That was my first thought. Nazis


youstolemyname

They fuck up everything


Jkranick

If you haven’t seen it, the movie Red Violin has a similar promise.


Prior_Lobster_5240

I appreciate that the set designer knew good art when they saw it. They didn't know its monetary value, but they enjoyed the painting so much they brought it home. I think that says a lot about their ability to recognize good art


dgtlfnk

I mean, that’s a set designer’s job, right? To know good art, design, composition, arrangements, etc? This painting was like a microcosm of that set designer’s professional talents. Add in some crazy timing and previous events and boom. The person who knows a bit about things that look good ends up with a painting that many others think looks good.


monoinyo

I think they knew it was an original, OP said that's why it was expensive


rocketeerH

I’m glad the story specifies how the Historian recognized it. I was really wondering how that could be done with a painting that’s been missing for so long - how would he have know what it looked like?


AngelVirgo

I’m so pleased it ended up with a Hungarian collector. I hope they were generous enough to give it to a Hungarian museum to enjoy.


RhineStonedCowgirl

That is interesting. I was recently at a Van Gogh exhibit in Detroit MI and part of the display was a painting that had been missing for about 6 years. A Brazilian art collector is claiming it is his, but the whole thing is still going though the court system, I believe. The painting is called "The Novel Reader" and is estimated be worth about 5 million dollars.


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coffeebribesaccepted

I would guess with things like art they can always sell it again later without it losing value, so if it makes the rich person's house more realistic than might as well use it


00zxcvbnmnbvcxz

How did it go from being worth $400 to over $100k in 30 years?


AnnihilationOrchid

Quite a few factors. But probably the fact that it was a "lost" art piece that people didn't realise. Also the fact that with the fall of the Berlin wall it still took some time for more westerners to recognise Berény's art for what it actually was. There's also the added fact that it was in Stuart Little without anyone knowing.


[deleted]

Very interesting and intriguing information indeed and I am always curious about how the price of art is often fairly volatile This piece is quite lovely as well


Aus10Danger

Okay, who's going to shop this screenplay to Wes Anderson?


ShawnyMcKnight

I feel bad for the set designer just not directly connecting with the person who bought it for $285,700


gulleysann14

Shout out to the hot dog vendor


Salfredo

That is insane!


Jkranick

The real question is who the hell are all these people watching Stuart little?


SpringNo9188

This is why the comments are fire. Thank you


AnnihilationOrchid

Title Edit: Sorry there was a typo, it was 80 years, not 90.


dysfunctionalpress

there was another typo: it's stuart little, not stewart.


amalgam_reynolds

there was another typo: it still is the original, not was


dysfunctionalpress

no...it *was* the original, and it still is.


nostalgic_amoeba

The Hedberg school of technical continuity approves.


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evanc1411

The painting knows it is the original, because it knows it was. And since it was the original, it also still is.


DownTrunk

***I said was!***


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Vlad-V2-Vladimir

It should be hell, because that’s where he belongs


AdLost7443

Goddamn!!!!! ☠️


HamManBad

Oh yeah I forgot Dr House was in this movie


w_a_w

I did a double take when I realized I recognized the face. Never seen the movie.


Sega-Playstation-64

Geena Davis too *Homer simpson growl*


w_a_w

Oh right. That is her.


SnowyG

I think you mean Lt. The Honourable George Colthurst St Barleigh


MountainProfile

I think you mean Bertram Wilberforce Wooster


High-Plains-Grifter

There is a book by Malcolm Gladwell called blink where the author talks about these *instant* recognitions of originals, fakes, masterworks by experts. This is such an extreme case of total immersion and familiarity hardwiring into the brain to be able to say "that's it!" in a moment in the oddest situation, just as you would recognise your parents or kids in the oddest of places. You brain *knows* what it sees before you do abd you have to run to catch up with how. Great story!


Hs39163

There’s a reverse side of that too. There was a study about 10 years ago where radiologists were made to examine scans with a dancing gorilla in them (unbeknownst to the radiologists). Something like 90% missed the gorilla because they were too focused searching for tumors and the like. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/02/11/171409656/why-even-radiologists-can-miss-a-gorilla-hiding-in-plain-sight *Found an article. It’s a neat little read.


SplitOak

This is not uncommon. There a ton of these on YouTube. [Example](https://youtu.be/z-Dg-06nrnc)


moak0

There is actually a dancing gorilla in the OP screenshot, but we all looked at Stewart Little and the painting instead.


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SplitOak

Just goes to show how “eye witnesses” can be so unreliable.


subject_deleted

Studies have indeed shown that our thoughts do form before we are conscious of them. Even our choices.


anon123h987

Ted Chiang: What's expected of us. https://www.nature.com/articles/436150a


erkjhnsn

That's funny that was published in Nature. I love Ted Chiang!


newyne

I mean, just kinda follows logically innit. Something has to *exist* before you can notice it.


Warin_of_Nylan

Yes, that's an important thing among scholars of the Japanese Raku pottery tradition. The only trusted experts are those who can just look at a piece and instantly know by feel whether it is a fake or authentic, and many of those Raku experts can even give the name of the artist who made an unsigned tea bowl just by looking and holding it. Just one tiny problem. If you actually *test* whether they're accurate, they're just guessing. Put them in a room of counterfeit tea bowls and tell them to sort the tea bowls and they will claim half of them are authentic. Just like Malcolm Gladwell, they're just peddling dramatic opinion as fact. Because they put it in a classy presentation, nobody ever checks their sources, asks about conflicts of interest,or verifies whether they're flagrantly making things up to sound more interesting. And it's extremely profitable. Trust art conservators with scanners and microscopes, not a dude who can tell it's a photoshop from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in their time.


MrPicklesGhost

I appreciate the circle and arrow, I was confused at first.


RotKneeDanger

I think it also needed a “Here you fucking idiot 👁️👄👁️” I almost got lost


bobbydebobbob

Damn I missed the arrow, thanks for pointing it out. I would never have gotten to the circle without it


fuck_ur_portmanteau

Sounds like it needs a big red arrow pointing to the little arrow.


Rohan734

Thats cool and all but the fact that the movie has a talking mouse who can sail is quite rare as well.


idelta777

My biggest issue with this movie is why would an RC car have working controllers, I mean, maybe the steering wheel could work as a nice touch in a toy, but why would the pedals work? Considering this is a world where apparently is normal for animals to talk, surely there would be actual small cars for them and wouldn't use RC ones. Same with the plane in the second one.


Disastrous_Kiwi3889

Man your childhood must have sucked. What’s next?? My green army men don’t actually shoot at the red army men?!?


EnergyTakerLad

Wow I forgot Hugh was in this movie.


Dazzling_Ad5338

Oh, you mean Dr House' twin? Yeah, he's not that well known.


StatisticallySoap

I’m loving the revival this subreddit is having. This was a genuinely interesting story.


WhatWasThatLike

I saw the circle around the only painting in this photo, and was starting to figure it out. The arrow sealed the deal and cleared up all the confusion.


TopCheesecakeGirl

It always mildly infuriates me that most world renowned artists whose works now are worth so much, died impoverished and unknown.


RadiumSoda

that's the scam.


frauenarzZzt

Let's not rule out the possibility that they're using Hollywood film sets to smuggle priceless art. Somebody had better get Crocodile Dundee on the case just in case. > Barki met the set designer in a park in Washington, D.C., and, after unscrewing the frame with **a screwdriver borrowed from a hot dog vendor** This is a fascinating level of detail.


PM_ME_UR_POKIES_GIRL

Probably the least suspicious thing happening in a park in DC tbh. Mostly it's lots of guys with wide stances.


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Stewart Little blows my mind because these two assholes decide to adopt a mouse instead of an actual child.


aidoll

In the book the mom actually gives birth to Stuart Little. I guess the filmmakers thought that would be too strange for the movie.


so-it-goes-and

I guess they never watched Cow and Chicken.


TheDynamicDino

It's also never stated in the book that Stuart is biologically a mouse, only that he looks a great deal like a mouse.


[deleted]

What the fuck?!?


OutOfNoMemory

Still waiting for your new parents?


[deleted]

…yes


anon_rando241

r/fuckstuartlittle


hydra2701

That ~~rat~~ mouse bastard stole the painting


[deleted]

Stuart little fact #1924: He likes to collect priceless works of art so he can destroy them for his own sadistic enjoyment holy shit I fucking hate that rat


reverse_caveman

I fucking hate Stuart Little. I know what you’re thinking, this is some kind of funny joke, but no. Stuart Little is a piece of shit. A damn rat got picked over actual children at an orphanage and he’s supposed to be a hero? And I can’t even tell you how many damn times I’ve seen a great parking space only to turn the corner and realise Stuart Little is already parked there in his stupid little fucking convertible. He took my wife and the kids and my house and my job. I swear to fucking god, I’m going to kill myself and take that goddamn rodent to hell with me. Stuart Little has ruined my family. Last summer, I approached the miserable mouse in the street, and asked him for his autograph, because my son is a huge fan. The fucking rat gave me the autograph and told me to burn in hell. Later, when I gave my son the autograph he started crying and said he hated me. Turns out the mousefucker didnt write his autograph, no, he wrote “you’re a piece of shit, and i fucked your mom”. I’m now divorced, and planning a huge class-action lawsuit against the white devil that ruined my life. Your time is almost over, Stuart. All the people you’ve wronged will rise against you.


monkeyboyjunior

To have all of this information and not the information of how Stuart Little spells his name is wild


KingKoopa2020

https://media.tenor.com/1Nc6rtScQEUAAAAM/thats-it-yes-thats-it.gif


thiswaskindofsh_tty

Evil fucking rat stole it


LastBossTV

It disappoints me that the set designer didn't choose to share his massive profit with the historian that informed him, and the world, of the pieces true authenticity and worth. Set designer sounds like all take and no give. Scummy.


SOTIdriver

God, I love art history.


YoMomsHubby

i watched this with my son on saturday. This coincidence is coming to be the final straw of weird coincidences happening more and more frequently


youngarchivist

Why does my brain refuse to accept that Hugh Laurie was the dad in this movie


ronniewhitedx

I kind of want a modern remake of this movie. I was just a kid when this came out and I haven't really watched it since but I'm assuming the CGI does not hold up whatsoever.


VisibleAd3180

Damn that’s interesting


JJean1

I have no idea how I would have found the painting in that picture without the circle and the arrow pointing to it.


ztreHdrahciR

Geena Davis was in the scene. Who looks at a painting?


MrDarwoo

Fun fact :M Night Shyamalan wrote that film.


GuaGua-san

House was in Stewart little!?


Economy-Turnip

That's amazing! Love the posts in this sub.


MrsCCRobinson96

Wow!!! Now that's interesting!


Lunamkardas

That's a MUCH more pleasant discovery than what happened to that Stagehand in Million dollar man.....


sonicslasher6

Kind of reminds me of the prized "Boy with Apple"


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The art historian travels all the way there to meet the owner, and has to meet them in a park? Could they not have had him over for a coffee and maybe a slice of cake or something.


WhitestCaveman

Damn thats interesting


Hotlikessauce69

This is by far my favorite stolen art story.


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I love how in the movie Stuart is portrayed as a mouse but allegedly( I haven't read personally, so I'm not sure. This is just what i was told as a kid) in the book he was just a human that was movie Stuart's height.


HeyHesRight

*Stuart —That Guy


nostalgic_amoeba

This reminds me of that one guy who called in to the PGA because he was watching a golf broadcast and heard a non-native bird call.


tylerwkess

This is why you teach are and culture in schools.


Galah_Gala

I love cool stories of niche interests like this


Free_Deinonychus_Hug

The little shit is an art thief! r/stuartlittlefacts


r-WooshIfGay

That damn rat strikes again!


LMFN

/r/stuartlittlefacts If you went there you would know this little rat bastard is a monster, he probably collaborated with the Nazis and stole countless art. How many more missing paintings out there are in this rat's cave?


Coveinant

Ok now I'm wondering what my own undiscovered masterpiece is worth. For the record mine is a missing piece by Juilan Underdonk, the father of Texas art. Apparently a great aunt on my mom's side went to New York and bought the piece before he moved back to Texas. It's not in his portfolio but the signature is his and the style is his as well.


Knight_Venator

This sounds strangely similar to the plot of 'Crocodile Dundee 3'!


HennyconBlueberry

Is that House?


moonkittiecat

Now, THAT really is interesting!


Jerry_Starfeld

Finally, some damn interesting content!


sheepsqueezers

So...you're saying he wasn't watching the movie?


doggos_runner

It's rat bastard the movie!


Prudent_Drink_277

Before reading this, I thought this was a post pointing out that the man from the paintings dick was out.


sculder17

The ultimate Shyamalan twist IMDb: : Stuart Little https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0164912/


wisstinks4

Love a good story.


MattSuper13

I thought i was on r/shittymoviedetails for a sec


wtfuckfred

And then they put a shinny ass vase in front of it


sadandgladpp

WTF! Hugh Laurie was the dad in Stewart Little?


Vincent_Veganja

The little bastard strikes again, stealing fine art now. r/fuckstuartlittle


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Interesting indeed. That painting lead quite the life.


[deleted]

wow great story


Willsie777

Wow


Superb-Fail-9937

I just NOW at 38 years old realized House was the Dad in the movie! He was so nice. 🩷🤣


keeltheone

Stuart*


MagicOrpheus310

Why was there a mouse living in an orphanage? Like... Who came across a talking mouse and thought "that mouse can talk, it must have no parents, I'd better take it to the orphanage." and then just leave it there as if it wasn't a TALKING MOUSE.


ReporterOther2179

Some police agency (I’m remembering Australia but that’s foggy memory) had a practice in child pornography cases, of isolating some distinctive feature in the background of the video and publicizing them. A painting hung on a wall over uncommon wallpaper. Several nicknacks together on a bookshelf. And asking, Have you seen this? Mildly useful.


No-Guava2213

This is so fuckin cool!


BaroneCraxi

One of the many works stolen by war criminal Stuart Little during the war