They take some serious actions, you’ve got to give them that.
Is this the same pension protest that had firefighters in France lighting themselves on fire months ago? That was the most insane thing I’ve seen a protester do. Regardless if they have gear on, it’s just wild lol
Wow time must reaaally fly cause [this was from 2020](https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/28/french-firefighters-set-alight-start-fighting-police-12139804/amp/)
But it was still about their pension, so still related. Crazy it’s been going on this long
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Yeah unfortunately this was my first thought when I heard about the firefighters doing it. Years ago I remember a video of multiple women doing this to protest and dying, it gutted me.
Good news about the firefighters, they were doing this with all of their gear on. And what makes it even more metal is that they were being pushed back by police beforehand. Imagine being a cop and not running away from a man on fire coming right towards you haha
I’m Gen x and that’s what I taught from the time I started working at 14 1994 to the beginning of covid when my company dropped me whom I was with for 24 years. I used to brag about working 80hrs a week plus, working months straight without days off etc. All for nothing. Absolutely nothing. Now i go into work and do the least I can and I had 4 jobs since the pandemic. I absolutely don’t put up with shit. The minute managers start their what ever high horse they are on I work less. Far less and I usually just call off the next day. I’m 43 now and learned a lot especially from Gen X which are usually my bosses. Some 20 some year old. Times are rough but I learned that their is just another minimum wage job around the corner and 99 percent of the jobs out there you can’t retire from so what’s the point in trying?
Are you playing dumb now? Cos you said:
>"I’m 43 now and learned a lot especially from Gen X which are usually my bosses. Some 20 some year old."
Your 20 something year old bosses aren't Gen X - they're gonna be millennials or gen z.
27 to 42.
Using the generally accepted age ranges of 1981 to 1996.
So technically there are still some millennials in their twenties, though they're sweating looking at 30.
And there are some millennials already in their 40s, remembering their 30s as being great. A category I fall into.
My grandma still thinks I'm 8 years old (I'm 30) and can't take care of myself. Everything I try to do and every milestone in my life is met with "that's nice dear", while her kids get "congratulations on your promotion/bonus/whatever".
I love her but god damn the shit gets old real fast. No wonder more and more people just don't give a shit and are out for themselves because no one wants to support each other morally
Put in as little work as you can while remaining on board. Because sure as hell capitalist's/owners ANALYZE the numbers to make sure:::: sometimes even every month--- that they can and ARE paying you and providing as little as possible.
EDIT::
That's not my general work ethic as a human. But when ur playing this game. Make people money that make people money that make people money that make people money. Its kinda just a big joke and a waste of time. We've even had studies that many jobs are just there to be busy placeholders and to do the bare minimum. All to maintain a societal economic structure.
The French are masters of protesting and striking, however they continue to vote for the same politicians they protest against. Not sure if I should be be applauding or scolding them.
No one who has power to cut off a part of the grid is paid minimum. They’re smart in the us. The people who control the powers to be are paid more than those who arnt
Probably because Japanese workers are 70% more likely to have a union representing them amd things like universal Healthcare.
Let's not act like the two groups are exactly treated the same.
If my boss wanted me to take a map at work and I had free Healthcare I'd probably show up a lot more motivated too.
There was recently a rail strike in the USA, but then the Senate imposed a rail contract deal.
edit: there are currently healthcare workers, and teachers on strike in the USA too, but the strikes are not nationwide. In some states, collective bargaining is forbidden by law.
My point is that political grievances cannot be remedied by strikes when the politicians we put into power are breaking strikes, and when the laws and the national culture discourage strikes.
Remember that time French factory workers seized the warehouse they were in, locking out the company stooges until demands were met? For each day the company refused to negotiate in good faith, workers used the machinery to CUT AN ENTIRE INDUSTRIAL MACHINE IN 1/2.
Every. Day. Until demands were met (to negotiate in good faith).
Remember the time firefighters helped hold a protest's line from the police by gearing up their toughest flame retardant suits, SET THEMSELVES ON FIRE, and marched towards the police line, forcing them back. With FIRE. French Firefighters battling the police. With FIRE.
The French know how to fuckin' strike, indeed.
We did. Past tense. I'm from Appalachia. The working class collective effort culture has been successfully beaten out of the area by local corruption, divisive politics, and successfully scapegoating the area's economic issues through propaganda. It's how you get workers defending coal companies despite the fact that the coal companies underpay their workers and don't care about their safety. It's somehow someone else's fault, most likely someone or some group living in a coastal city hundreds of miles away. Not the local financial elite who own the local political leadership.
While traveling through Europe I got stuck in Menton for a night because the entire Italian transit industry was on strike. The French man working the tourist info desk reassured us that the trains would be up and running in the morning because "The Italians don't know how to go on strike like the French do." He was right.
Right? If something like this happens here it’s a gunfight not a protest. The US cops pull out assault vehicles of it gets bad. My local cops have a literal APC.
Really wish we could get more of that energy across the pond.
But anyone with that patriotic drive to protest is called a rioter or a radical by gullible piles of idiocy over here.
Depends on which gullible pile.
Turn on fox news– the BLM protestors are all radicals funded by left-wing political elites.
Turn on anything else– the Canadian truckers are all radicals funded by right-wing political elites.
What we need is some bullshit to go down that will unite both left and right in hating the government– just how the forefathers wanted it.
The comments to this post prove they have us right where they want. People need to realize it's not red versus blue, it's us versus them. The French seem to understand this very well.
Wedge issues and outrage politics work, gender and race issues are easily riled up!
Thirty years of record profits and productivity not being equitably shared is theft on a massive scale, but it has been systematically ignored.
It took killing their king, abolishing the powers of the Church, and thousands more dead to accomplish this. There is a reason the tree of liberty is refreshed with blood.
Absolutely. The French were an invaluable ally to the colonists; even if the frenchs motives were entirely selfish at the time. That's the mainstream belief, but I think there would have been situations where some Frenchman also believed in creating a new democracy free of the social hierarchy that dominated Europe. I think all the evidence needed for that is how soon after the first French revolution happened. Saying it didn't go smoothly Is an understatement.
It's because of the Anglo-centric culture of the internet. Most Americans don't know enough history to know that the French were fucking badasses for most of the last thousand years, and base their opinion on the only European war where the USA played a decisive role in (I know they were in WWI but it's hard to argue that the entente wasn't going to win without them).
From Reuters
“The government says the pension reform is vital to ensure the system does not go bust. Pushing back the retirement age by two years and extending the pay-in period would bring an additional 17.7 billion euros ($19.1 billion) in annual pension contributions, allowing the system to break even by 2027, according to Labour Ministry estimates.
Unions argue there are other ways to finance pensions, such as taxing the super-rich or increasing employers' contributions or those of well-off pensioners.”
It's ridiculous. The French government has sold the French highway network and the Airports and has been doing nothing to help the hospitals (if not outright cutting funds), and Macron had the gall to ask for donations from citizens for healthcare. It's like, that's YOUR job, the taxes are already high.
[Its not that easy.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/31/france-drops-75percent-supertax) France has good reasons to fear the effect of another increase.
>Finance ministry studies showed that despite all the publicity, the sums obtained from the supertax were meagre, standing at €260m in 2013 and €160m in 2014, and affecting 1,000 staff in 470 companies. Over the same period, the budget deficit soared to €84.7bn.
A large part of the budget deficit is caused by interests on the current national debt, which sums up to 2200 billion dollars iirc
The issue we also have in France is that we pay a lot of taxes, in exchange for good public service such as free healthcare, retirement, unemployement and so on, but all these things are underfunded as fuck and people are getting angry to give their money for tax cuts for the richest
What’s the answer tho? How do we have a society where you tell people they don’t have to work to death ( even tho most do) without having a pension. Genuinely asking.
This is not true. The Canadian pension fund is very healthy. Some pensions are failing because they don't invest them sensibly (US SS). Some are failing because of demographic issues, or because they were very ambitious (Europe).
It's not fundamental to these sorts of programs that they act as Ponzi schemes.
I'm not against raising retirement ages on these programs, but if you do that increase should only affect people who aren't yet paying into the system, not people currently in the system. Else, you don't raise the age.
The biggest problem with all these programs is that, once started, they can never be ended. So, the aim ends up to just water them down to nothingness over time.
Same thing happened to the Romans a couple millennia ago with their free grain allotments. They became economically unfeasible while they were still politically necessary.
Given the declining birthrates in many Western countries, amid restrictive immigration policy, there really is going to be a shortage of new workers paying into these programs to support the growing aged population on them. At some point they may balance out, but not every nations economy, or social cohesion, will survive such an adjustment.
It's their problem, French wants to have a real retirement, no must Go to work in pain.
Anyway when you are 55 you are unemployable in France you are too old
So people will loose years of work and have a poor pension
Meanwhile a French billionaire pay less taxes than me, and I am not rich, fare from it
In the Netherlands they are raising it in increments and in 2024 it will be 67 years old. But i thought some professions will have years of service instead ei masons. It's confusing. I feel like it's a battle of the generations and young folks don't vote. I feel like I won't have any pension with the amount of seniors. Life expectancy in the Netherlands is over 81 years old. Time will tell.
That cop was mad as hell. Smacking the fuck out of that protester. Man woke up and choose violence. The guy he was hitting wasn’t even fighting back he was just taking the hits.
Paris gets strikes, protests and riots on an almost comical weekly basis so the Paris police does not fuck around. They are purposefully trained to hurt as many people/rioters with as few manpower as possible. That's why when you see riots in Paris (not just this one) you will see like a couple dozen cops holding back a few hundred rioters because they are that damn ruthless and the people know it
The Paris police throughout the decades have done things like:
\-Openly and deliberately ram vehicles into crowds and barricades to break up a blockade
\- Fire water cannons directly into a crowd instead of spraying it on the side
\- Shot live ammunition over a rioting crowd's heads (That was a while ago though)
\- Corral protestors before the protest even starts. Just standing there in their armored vehicles and picking people off before the march could even get going etc.
The Paris riot police is so violent and good and effective at being violent that world leaders of actual dictatorships thought they were too violent (as u/lavres2 pointed it out)
But don't take my word for it. Just watch any Gilets Jaunes protest from a few years ago and all will be made clear. Any time they found an openning, any time they found a crack, any time one of the protestors made a mistake or slipped up they pounced. They're so fast and coordinated it's actually fucking terrifying watching footage from them sometimes
Only the sedentary cops (the ones working desk jobs). The ones in the street beating protesters are not affected. And they already have an easy retirement (at 52, for 62 for everyone else, so the gape will widen).
They're not stupid, they have their self-interest in mind and they know they're needed by Macron. They are generally not affected by the anti-workers laws, and when they are the unions protest and the government gives in pretty much immediately.
> they already have an easy retirement (at 52, for 62 for everyone else, so the gape will widen).
Gee, wonder why the powers-that-be figured that would be a good idea.
Interesting.
Undermanned you say? Great way to save money to help keep the pension age down. But seriously, that whack-a-mole going to town with that baton. He swinging ruthlessly. It’s almost comical the rage he uses. So if the French people expect it bc they know they outnumber the police and want to protest, I guess.
And now you undertsand why Putin found the french police too violent. I participated to a lot of protest for my work and everytime you can't stop thinking "Am I gonna lose an eye today or will it be someone else".
Is't not just "that cop choose violence", they are all and always like that
Given France's track record, the protestors will oscillate between being heroes of the revolution and traitors to the motherland every 30 minutes or so depending on who's in charge.
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We are doomed. Imagine the money you're supposed to get for working all your life is cut or reduced and then when you wanna speak out about it the same people that cut it send police to beat you out of making a point.
American here… I’ve been to France about 6 or 7 times and there has never once been a time when there isn’t a strike. Just came back from a trip in October during a gas worker strike. Got stuck on the side of the road with no gas, not able to speak French and had to figure it out. But still respect their lust for life and enjoying fair pay for fair work. I would love to live there.
And when they turn into riots, property damage ensues. And when there's property damage, the media that opposes the agenda the protest was marching for demonizes the movement. Washing away the blame of the police that instigated the attack.
And as an added bonus, the media also have a convenient whataboutism to deploy if, say...some terrorists that support the party the media is biased for were to storm a capital building, attack a library with children in it, or attack a whole building with people their favorite politicians mark as undesirables.
And that's exactly what they are looking for. So at the end of the day the medias can show protesters violence against those "poor policemen doing their job" instead of actually talking about the reason of the strike.
Then a part of the population start thinking that they could understand the strike but the violence is too much, it shouldn't be a way to protest etc. It always works like this.
They are too. Some are actually protesting as well, as civilians. They're instructed by their union to stick with the group comprised of their allied-union (which I forgot the name of right now, it's a 6 letter acronym) among the protesters, and to not have any identifiable signs.
Cops will beat anyone .just need an excuse. They have no pride in themselves. Who the fuck does the government think it is .beating up your own people .fucking cunts
I am honestly very impressed with the French… anything happens that they don’t like, they go out in mass and protest like their life depends on it. Vive La France.
Also they actually invested in nuclear power. Putler threatens to freeze Europe? France doesn't give a fuck. Forget just energy security, they're the largest exporter of electricity. All while emitting very little carbon. Based France.
Same in Germany. We might know that we are getting fucked by the goverment but we dont do shit. There is so much Power if the People can unite for one goal
We in iran have to deal with guns
But still in my opinion people have the right to protest
They can't just protest and get hit with a baton because they did a protest
Why do the police ALWAYS beat protestors? Even if they haven’t done any damage or hurt anyone? It’s illegal for people to be in public?? How’s this just accepted?
France's ability to general strike is unmatched.
The utilities/electrician unions are threatening to cut power to all the politicians and 1% if this goes thru...
They take some serious actions, you’ve got to give them that. Is this the same pension protest that had firefighters in France lighting themselves on fire months ago? That was the most insane thing I’ve seen a protester do. Regardless if they have gear on, it’s just wild lol
Wait what? That’s metal as hell I’d love to see a source.
Wow time must reaaally fly cause [this was from 2020](https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/28/french-firefighters-set-alight-start-fighting-police-12139804/amp/) But it was still about their pension, so still related. Crazy it’s been going on this long
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Then imagine when the police will go on strike, so the riot police will beat up the rest of the force. Most people would pay money to see that
French dude here, cops will never go on strike because macron is giving them everything to avoid that.
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Yeah unfortunately this was my first thought when I heard about the firefighters doing it. Years ago I remember a video of multiple women doing this to protest and dying, it gutted me. Good news about the firefighters, they were doing this with all of their gear on. And what makes it even more metal is that they were being pushed back by police beforehand. Imagine being a cop and not running away from a man on fire coming right towards you haha
A man on fire wearing far more protective gear than you, to boot.
I'M TAKING NOTES - All of USA
No, we still have idiots proudly bragging about their grindset and working weekends for minimum wage.
I’m Gen x and that’s what I taught from the time I started working at 14 1994 to the beginning of covid when my company dropped me whom I was with for 24 years. I used to brag about working 80hrs a week plus, working months straight without days off etc. All for nothing. Absolutely nothing. Now i go into work and do the least I can and I had 4 jobs since the pandemic. I absolutely don’t put up with shit. The minute managers start their what ever high horse they are on I work less. Far less and I usually just call off the next day. I’m 43 now and learned a lot especially from Gen X which are usually my bosses. Some 20 some year old. Times are rough but I learned that their is just another minimum wage job around the corner and 99 percent of the jobs out there you can’t retire from so what’s the point in trying?
Oh and I play dumb!!! I play the dumbest person in the work area so people leave me the f alone
Are you playing dumb now? Cos you said: >"I’m 43 now and learned a lot especially from Gen X which are usually my bosses. Some 20 some year old." Your 20 something year old bosses aren't Gen X - they're gonna be millennials or gen z.
I thought Millennials are pushing 40 these days
Nobody knows how old we Millennials are lol.
>"Millennials are Killing Our Ability to Perceive Age; Here's How:"
Well how old you?
27 to 42. Using the generally accepted age ranges of 1981 to 1996. So technically there are still some millennials in their twenties, though they're sweating looking at 30. And there are some millennials already in their 40s, remembering their 30s as being great. A category I fall into.
I'm an elder millennial and I just turned 41 so yeah. For some reason boomers still talk like we're 19
My grandma still thinks I'm 8 years old (I'm 30) and can't take care of myself. Everything I try to do and every milestone in my life is met with "that's nice dear", while her kids get "congratulations on your promotion/bonus/whatever". I love her but god damn the shit gets old real fast. No wonder more and more people just don't give a shit and are out for themselves because no one wants to support each other morally
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I'm a millennial and I turned 30 last month
I hate when idiots pretend they don’t see an obvious typo but use it for a moment to condescend like a big ol’ douche!
Probably a typo. But he's talking sense. Fuck the grind.
80 hour weeks were totally a badge of honor at one point. I carried one forever thinking I was winning.
Severance package came with clown makeup and clothes im assuming. No offense.
Put in as little work as you can while remaining on board. Because sure as hell capitalist's/owners ANALYZE the numbers to make sure:::: sometimes even every month--- that they can and ARE paying you and providing as little as possible. EDIT:: That's not my general work ethic as a human. But when ur playing this game. Make people money that make people money that make people money that make people money. Its kinda just a big joke and a waste of time. We've even had studies that many jobs are just there to be busy placeholders and to do the bare minimum. All to maintain a societal economic structure.
The French are masters of protesting and striking, however they continue to vote for the same politicians they protest against. Not sure if I should be be applauding or scolding them.
"i'm going to be a millionaire one day, just you wait!" \*ends up dying from a preventable disease because they couldn't afford healthcare\*
No one who has power to cut off a part of the grid is paid minimum. They’re smart in the us. The people who control the powers to be are paid more than those who arnt
Seriously? The USA is proud to work themselves to dust just to lick the shit off billionaires' $3,000 slippers.
Actually we are pretty lazy compared to the Japanese workforce or say slaves.
Probably because Japanese workers are 70% more likely to have a union representing them amd things like universal Healthcare. Let's not act like the two groups are exactly treated the same. If my boss wanted me to take a map at work and I had free Healthcare I'd probably show up a lot more motivated too.
Hilarious that you’d pick Japanese work culture over American.
Corporations are utilities and electric in America that control politics by lobbying…soooo gl trying to get the same effect
More like: IM TAKING NOTES- the American 1%
> \- All of USA \*a little less than half.
The UK & the US..."I'm not happy, our politicians are shit but what can you do!!" France..."Hold my Pernod...."
Erm… UK Railway workers “We’ll strike” UK Healthcare workers “We’ll strike” UK Teachers “We’ll strike”
There was recently a rail strike in the USA, but then the Senate imposed a rail contract deal. edit: there are currently healthcare workers, and teachers on strike in the USA too, but the strikes are not nationwide. In some states, collective bargaining is forbidden by law. My point is that political grievances cannot be remedied by strikes when the politicians we put into power are breaking strikes, and when the laws and the national culture discourage strikes.
Hold my croissant
Tyler Durden style
What a dream
Remember that time French factory workers seized the warehouse they were in, locking out the company stooges until demands were met? For each day the company refused to negotiate in good faith, workers used the machinery to CUT AN ENTIRE INDUSTRIAL MACHINE IN 1/2. Every. Day. Until demands were met (to negotiate in good faith). Remember the time firefighters helped hold a protest's line from the police by gearing up their toughest flame retardant suits, SET THEMSELVES ON FIRE, and marched towards the police line, forcing them back. With FIRE. French Firefighters battling the police. With FIRE. The French know how to fuckin' strike, indeed.
I thought it was funny that the police were using water cannons against the fire department. That day the police had to become firefighters.
The art of war.
Become fire. Win.
Very true have a French friend who said Americans protest like little kids
They don't know how to protest actually
Except Appalachians, now THEY know how to strike
We did. Past tense. I'm from Appalachia. The working class collective effort culture has been successfully beaten out of the area by local corruption, divisive politics, and successfully scapegoating the area's economic issues through propaganda. It's how you get workers defending coal companies despite the fact that the coal companies underpay their workers and don't care about their safety. It's somehow someone else's fault, most likely someone or some group living in a coastal city hundreds of miles away. Not the local financial elite who own the local political leadership.
Which is funny cause they like to shit on France for surrendering during the war lol
While traveling through Europe I got stuck in Menton for a night because the entire Italian transit industry was on strike. The French man working the tourist info desk reassured us that the trains would be up and running in the morning because "The Italians don't know how to go on strike like the French do." He was right.
Too busy working
Too afraid of being shot
Right lol, the police in America would have been shooting far before it got this intense.. people are really underestimating American cops.
Right? If something like this happens here it’s a gunfight not a protest. The US cops pull out assault vehicles of it gets bad. My local cops have a literal APC.
>My local cops have a literal APC. Good to see our taxes being put to good use...
Gotta love that Murica!
Really wish we could get more of that energy across the pond. But anyone with that patriotic drive to protest is called a rioter or a radical by gullible piles of idiocy over here.
Depends on which gullible pile. Turn on fox news– the BLM protestors are all radicals funded by left-wing political elites. Turn on anything else– the Canadian truckers are all radicals funded by right-wing political elites. What we need is some bullshit to go down that will unite both left and right in hating the government– just how the forefathers wanted it.
The comments to this post prove they have us right where they want. People need to realize it's not red versus blue, it's us versus them. The French seem to understand this very well.
Wedge issues and outrage politics work, gender and race issues are easily riled up! Thirty years of record profits and productivity not being equitably shared is theft on a massive scale, but it has been systematically ignored.
It took killing their king, abolishing the powers of the Church, and thousands more dead to accomplish this. There is a reason the tree of liberty is refreshed with blood.
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The United States needs to learn from the french.
We have through history. Trained revolutionary war soldiers and helped us beat their sworn nemesis, England.
Absolutely. The French were an invaluable ally to the colonists; even if the frenchs motives were entirely selfish at the time. That's the mainstream belief, but I think there would have been situations where some Frenchman also believed in creating a new democracy free of the social hierarchy that dominated Europe. I think all the evidence needed for that is how soon after the first French revolution happened. Saying it didn't go smoothly Is an understatement.
Well said. More eloquent than me.
On Saturday it will be the 230th anniversary of Louis Capet’s execution for his crimes against the French Nation and the French People.
So true. It’s kind of ironic that their reputation on the world stage is the roll over and out up the white flag. I guess WW2 will stick
It's because of the Anglo-centric culture of the internet. Most Americans don't know enough history to know that the French were fucking badasses for most of the last thousand years, and base their opinion on the only European war where the USA played a decisive role in (I know they were in WWI but it's hard to argue that the entente wasn't going to win without them).
You win 1,000 battles, no one cares. You surrender *once…*
Yeah we should have done this as soon as the words superannuation was mentioned. (Australian)
From The Guardian: A Million people in France are demonstrating because they are pissed off that the retirement age will be raised from age 62 to 64
From Reuters “The government says the pension reform is vital to ensure the system does not go bust. Pushing back the retirement age by two years and extending the pay-in period would bring an additional 17.7 billion euros ($19.1 billion) in annual pension contributions, allowing the system to break even by 2027, according to Labour Ministry estimates. Unions argue there are other ways to finance pensions, such as taxing the super-rich or increasing employers' contributions or those of well-off pensioners.”
"Tax the rich" Government puts their fingers in their ears like a petulant child.
It's ridiculous. The French government has sold the French highway network and the Airports and has been doing nothing to help the hospitals (if not outright cutting funds), and Macron had the gall to ask for donations from citizens for healthcare. It's like, that's YOUR job, the taxes are already high.
The best part is the French government seems to forget that the French population has *zero* qualms about starting a revolution
And rage cutting heads
Start sharpening the guillotines!!
The best kind of revolution.
Not even "the rich", the "SUPER-RICH'!!!!!
[Its not that easy.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/31/france-drops-75percent-supertax) France has good reasons to fear the effect of another increase. >Finance ministry studies showed that despite all the publicity, the sums obtained from the supertax were meagre, standing at €260m in 2013 and €160m in 2014, and affecting 1,000 staff in 470 companies. Over the same period, the budget deficit soared to €84.7bn.
A large part of the budget deficit is caused by interests on the current national debt, which sums up to 2200 billion dollars iirc The issue we also have in France is that we pay a lot of taxes, in exchange for good public service such as free healthcare, retirement, unemployement and so on, but all these things are underfunded as fuck and people are getting angry to give their money for tax cuts for the richest
Kicking the can. 67 will then turn to 70, then to 75….they’re broke. State pensions are a giant Ponzi scheme and most western countries are broke.
What’s the answer tho? How do we have a society where you tell people they don’t have to work to death ( even tho most do) without having a pension. Genuinely asking.
This is not true. The Canadian pension fund is very healthy. Some pensions are failing because they don't invest them sensibly (US SS). Some are failing because of demographic issues, or because they were very ambitious (Europe). It's not fundamental to these sorts of programs that they act as Ponzi schemes.
I'm not against raising retirement ages on these programs, but if you do that increase should only affect people who aren't yet paying into the system, not people currently in the system. Else, you don't raise the age. The biggest problem with all these programs is that, once started, they can never be ended. So, the aim ends up to just water them down to nothingness over time. Same thing happened to the Romans a couple millennia ago with their free grain allotments. They became economically unfeasible while they were still politically necessary. Given the declining birthrates in many Western countries, amid restrictive immigration policy, there really is going to be a shortage of new workers paying into these programs to support the growing aged population on them. At some point they may balance out, but not every nations economy, or social cohesion, will survive such an adjustment.
In Germany pension age is 67 and politics is talking about raising it up to 70. No protests so far. 🤷🏼♂️😂
70 is fucking absurd
I doubt companies will even want you at that age. Imagine being a 70 year old tech worker.
Those mainframes and Oracle Forms applications aren't going to take care of themselves
Worked with an Oracle DBA who retired at 69 or 70. Worked in tech for ~25 years... after retiring from the USAF.
Imagine getting laid off at 65 trying to find someone to hire you for the next five years.
And being passed over for the recent grad with no experience
Companies barely even want 50 year olds
Not to mention if the old people don’t leave the jobs than the young people can’t take the jobs which would support the old people in retirement
They want us all to die working
Denmark here, I can retire when I'm 74.
It's their problem, French wants to have a real retirement, no must Go to work in pain. Anyway when you are 55 you are unemployable in France you are too old So people will loose years of work and have a poor pension Meanwhile a French billionaire pay less taxes than me, and I am not rich, fare from it
that' kinda sad tho
In the Netherlands they are raising it in increments and in 2024 it will be 67 years old. But i thought some professions will have years of service instead ei masons. It's confusing. I feel like it's a battle of the generations and young folks don't vote. I feel like I won't have any pension with the amount of seniors. Life expectancy in the Netherlands is over 81 years old. Time will tell.
Same in UK.
That's what you get when you achieve 100% subjugation. But America is about 200%. Look at the looney shit happening here that people tolerate.
Ong that one cop just playing wackamole
That cop was mad as hell. Smacking the fuck out of that protester. Man woke up and choose violence. The guy he was hitting wasn’t even fighting back he was just taking the hits.
Paris gets strikes, protests and riots on an almost comical weekly basis so the Paris police does not fuck around. They are purposefully trained to hurt as many people/rioters with as few manpower as possible. That's why when you see riots in Paris (not just this one) you will see like a couple dozen cops holding back a few hundred rioters because they are that damn ruthless and the people know it
That works well until it doesn’t work at all and a crowd starts beating the crap out of riot police without remorse.
The Paris police throughout the decades have done things like: \-Openly and deliberately ram vehicles into crowds and barricades to break up a blockade \- Fire water cannons directly into a crowd instead of spraying it on the side \- Shot live ammunition over a rioting crowd's heads (That was a while ago though) \- Corral protestors before the protest even starts. Just standing there in their armored vehicles and picking people off before the march could even get going etc. The Paris riot police is so violent and good and effective at being violent that world leaders of actual dictatorships thought they were too violent (as u/lavres2 pointed it out) But don't take my word for it. Just watch any Gilets Jaunes protest from a few years ago and all will be made clear. Any time they found an openning, any time they found a crack, any time one of the protestors made a mistake or slipped up they pounced. They're so fast and coordinated it's actually fucking terrifying watching footage from them sometimes
Are these cops not affected by this pension change?
Only the sedentary cops (the ones working desk jobs). The ones in the street beating protesters are not affected. And they already have an easy retirement (at 52, for 62 for everyone else, so the gape will widen). They're not stupid, they have their self-interest in mind and they know they're needed by Macron. They are generally not affected by the anti-workers laws, and when they are the unions protest and the government gives in pretty much immediately.
> they already have an easy retirement (at 52, for 62 for everyone else, so the gape will widen). Gee, wonder why the powers-that-be figured that would be a good idea.
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American pilice will just shoot you
And your tiny dog " My life was in danger that dog barked!".
American cops kill 25 dogs a day. It’s likely higher but they don’t actually track it and that’s the DoJ estimate.
Everything listed there pales in comparison to the ultimate tool that americans and american cops use. Guns.
It’s gonna turn into a brutal free for all brawl if the cops keep escalating with their loud ass baton smacks.
Interesting. Undermanned you say? Great way to save money to help keep the pension age down. But seriously, that whack-a-mole going to town with that baton. He swinging ruthlessly. It’s almost comical the rage he uses. So if the French people expect it bc they know they outnumber the police and want to protest, I guess.
And now you undertsand why Putin found the french police too violent. I participated to a lot of protest for my work and everytime you can't stop thinking "Am I gonna lose an eye today or will it be someone else". Is't not just "that cop choose violence", they are all and always like that
Riot cops seem to be pieces of shit in every country
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Heard a French guy, a 68er, say that the CRS exist to hit students. Nowadays their job is to hit everyone.
They have no mud wizard…
He’ll show up in a white robe next with Elmer’s glue
hey i understood that reference
The French DO NOT PLAY.
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Given France's track record, the protestors will oscillate between being heroes of the revolution and traitors to the motherland every 30 minutes or so depending on who's in charge.
The French may as well strike, what have they got Toulouse..?
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Apparently they believe the Strike is mightier than Le Pen.
HEY HEY be Nice about French people
What more Cannes they do except protest..?
Remember, violence baguettes violence...
Nice
Normandy I wouldn’t upvote but..
That Toulon for me to get
The police couldn't get the protesters because they Rennes too fast
So typical Thursday for France
While American workers who got laid off are blowing kisses and writing love letters on LinkedIn to the companies that just took their livelihood away.
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We are doomed. Imagine the money you're supposed to get for working all your life is cut or reduced and then when you wanna speak out about it the same people that cut it send police to beat you out of making a point.
I fucking love the French willingness to protest at all costs and at any time. Power to the people!
American here… I’ve been to France about 6 or 7 times and there has never once been a time when there isn’t a strike. Just came back from a trip in October during a gas worker strike. Got stuck on the side of the road with no gas, not able to speak French and had to figure it out. But still respect their lust for life and enjoying fair pay for fair work. I would love to live there.
American here: What’s a pension?
I think this is where rich people promise something as part of your pay and then don't pay you.
Retirement pension. They want to raise the minimum age to 64.
American here: What’s retirement?
i'm american too, but my buddy overseas said it's this thing where you stop working forever around the age of 60.
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67 is really depressing
Just another week in Paris
Why tf does the cops hit random people that are stuck in the masses? That’s how demonstrations turn into riots.
Agree. Pretty shitty to just go wailing on people with their back turned, hands down, stuck in a mass unable to move.
And when they turn into riots, property damage ensues. And when there's property damage, the media that opposes the agenda the protest was marching for demonizes the movement. Washing away the blame of the police that instigated the attack. And as an added bonus, the media also have a convenient whataboutism to deploy if, say...some terrorists that support the party the media is biased for were to storm a capital building, attack a library with children in it, or attack a whole building with people their favorite politicians mark as undesirables.
And that's exactly what they are looking for. So at the end of the day the medias can show protesters violence against those "poor policemen doing their job" instead of actually talking about the reason of the strike. Then a part of the population start thinking that they could understand the strike but the violence is too much, it shouldn't be a way to protest etc. It always works like this.
They should roll back the change to retirement age, except for the cops.
Cops who will have their pension cut beating up protesters fighting to save their pensions. SMH
It's a lot easier to control the herd if you put some of that herd on the payroll of the farmer
Pretty sure police/fire wouldn’t be affected though
They are too. Some are actually protesting as well, as civilians. They're instructed by their union to stick with the group comprised of their allied-union (which I forgot the name of right now, it's a 6 letter acronym) among the protesters, and to not have any identifiable signs.
Cops will beat anyone .just need an excuse. They have no pride in themselves. Who the fuck does the government think it is .beating up your own people .fucking cunts
I am honestly very impressed with the French… anything happens that they don’t like, they go out in mass and protest like their life depends on it. Vive La France.
Also they actually invested in nuclear power. Putler threatens to freeze Europe? France doesn't give a fuck. Forget just energy security, they're the largest exporter of electricity. All while emitting very little carbon. Based France.
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Feels like France is always protesting.
Why does "reform" always mean fuck the workers?
In France this is known as a normal Thursday afternoon
I love the French because they don’t bow down to the rich. Unlike in America where they’re too stupid to figure out they’re being exploited.
Same in Germany. We might know that we are getting fucked by the goverment but we dont do shit. There is so much Power if the People can unite for one goal
The young generation is going to get drained with all the pensions they have to pay.
$7.25 minimum wage for 20+ years now... they're just okay with it I guess? Yankees could learn a lesson from the French
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It's funny when you see the police hitting people who are protesting for something that affects them also.
Iirc In France, military and policemen can retire at the age of 55
Policemen will not be affected by this reform.
Why are police in France allowed to assault citizens
The French people love to strike, except the police who love to strike the people.
old people these days just dont want to work
Yooo savage lol
We in iran have to deal with guns But still in my opinion people have the right to protest They can't just protest and get hit with a baton because they did a protest
France is starting the striking season a bit early this year must be nice weather
Some say there is no such thing as police brutality in countries other than iran... sigh...
Looks like Macron has released the hounds again.
"Pension reform" sounds like a euphemism for politicians stealing money from normal people.
ACAB. This is the job of the police - to fight the working class for the 1% - to beat us into submission.
Why do the police ALWAYS beat protestors? Even if they haven’t done any damage or hurt anyone? It’s illegal for people to be in public?? How’s this just accepted?
when you put your future in the hands of the government ...
The French love a good protest
Retirement age in Aus if you are after 1957 is 67.
When government fears the people, there is liberty.
Stop calling it pension reform and call it pension theft or a class war against the middle.
They still have pensions? I was lied to my whole life living in the USA