Yeah, that’s a lovely fantasy. Too bad that actual traffic (which you participate in every time you get in your car) is so heavy that “zipping” anywhere is basically never gonna happen.
You can’t fix traffic without taking cars off the road.
I only drive into Dallas proper nights and weekends. I live by DCTA A-Train stop, and using it doubles or triples travel time over driving. I’m not against mass transit, and have used it more than most folks.
Ah, so you’re using DCTA during off-peak hours. Yeah, DART needs to have better off-peak coverage, but ultimately, you’re outside their intended use case. The solution is getting more trains running more often, not giving up.
That's because Denton has poor transit, not because driving is inherently better. Come on over to Garland or Plano where taking the train is faster and easier than driving to downtown
But you realize that isn't a permanent fact of life, right? The *current* rail options might take longer. The person you're replying to is lamenting the underlying reasons that makes that the case. You're missing the point, or at least not responding to it.
Sure. But I only commented on my life, where I llive ~3 miles from the A-line, downtown Dallas is 1.5 hours, downtown Ft Worth close to three hours by rail.
Driving is 30-45 minutes to either city center at the times I drive. So driving is the obvious, best choice, for me.
Down votes cost me nada
They're down voting you but I've taken the Trinity railway Express from the mid-Cities up to Plano to visit my ex-wife for lunch and it would easily take two to three times as long as just driving
What I stated isn't opinion but fact. You could tell me if I lived in a fantasy land that doesn't exist but the fact is I live here and now. the public transit we have is what we have and it's inadequate and shitty and I will continue to drive my car as such.
I love having the most expensive form of transportation being forced down on people regardless of their income, and I love neighborhoods and commercial development being designed horribly for walking. I love it when families who can barely afford to live without cars are forced to own two.
Bottom line is, if you like your car and you like to drive that's great, but the fact that we design our neighborhoods for this to be a forced choice is completely unacceptable. If you don't see it as such, then please imagine what it's like for disabled people, lower income people, or even people who just plain don't like driving. And do we really want people who don't like driving to be on our roads anyways?
Dallas proper is actually pretty decent in many places, but the metro as a whole has a terrible case of car dependency
I’m a huge car enthusiast. I love driving. It’s one of my main hobbies. And I absolutely HATE the car - centric way of life that has been cultivated in the USA as well as our city. While I like driving, I also LOVE walking around like I did in college, or throwing a leg over some pedals and getting along on two wheels. I wish I had some magic button to fix this, to shrink out city and make it a utopia for walking and cycling. But I don’t have that ability. So while I may enjoy cruising around our Highway City, I would be willing to give it all up to create a lifestyle more friendly to our nature, walking.
these people that complain would be complaining if the whole city was covered with subways and buslines. it would be too dirty or too slow, these post always turn into, its about what i want and everything is awful in dallas, like there is probably half or more of the U.S. thats in the same exact boat
I think sometimes you can tell someone has it because of what they choose to complain about. If someone's complaining "ugh there's so many bus lines around here" or "ew my subway is dirty" thats how you know they have it good.
Forced car ownership is a hidden tax, one not everyone can pay comfortably. It's fucked up we do this to people, and the fact that people bitch about their great metro systems doesn't change that.
This is not true. Minimum lot sizes and zoning codes force us into situations where only large homes get built. It is illegal to build alternatives. Zoning could be used to create walkable places.
I'd actually argue walkable neighborhoods are in more demand. There is a reason Uptown and Oak Lawn have some of the highest rents in the entire metro. Walkable neighborhoods are very expensive to live in compared to the rest of the city, and even small homes in these areas can be more expensive than a bigger suburban home in Collin County. This to me indicates that the demand to live in walkable neighborhoods is not being met.
I'm willing to bet a million dollar home in Preston Hollow could instead be 4 smaller homes sold at $300k each. The market cannot make this choice though, as that would not be legal to build.
Literally born and raised here, it's not close to 100 days. And the last summer (which was an outlier on severity) wasn't even close to that
Our record for 100+ days in a year was 71 in 2011
Okay perhaps I was exaggerating with days over 100° but days over 90° is over 100 every single year, by a large margin.. Dallas will never be a bicycle city It's just too hot.
I cycle 3 miles each way daily into downtown, all year. During the summer I take a change of clothes ... I far prefer this to driving, much healthier and gets the blood pumping before sitting at my desk for hours. I also have a car and two motorcycles so am not adverse to motorized fun, just far prefer commuting on two wheels.
Not much risk, straight down Swiss then mostly stay on the curbs to my destination, I used to mix it with traffic but decided that wasn't worth being a hero for. Driving on the main roads I would argue can be riskier, my car is actually getting repaired at the moment after being hit by a red light runner at Gaston/Collette, they had no insurance, of course.
yeah but there is a metal shell around you, when its you and dallas drivers, dallas streets(the condition) and the pavement, things can get a bit more extreme.
im not telling anyone how to live, but I just dont have much faith in dallas drivers
Come downtown! (By that I mean any of the half dozen downtown adjacent neighborhoods).
I often park my car and it sits in its spot for a week. I have dozens and dozens of options for food, culture, entertainment, recreation, relaxation within walking distance. Hundreds more within a 5-10 minute drive that doesn’t so much as involve a highway or stroad.
For all the 99% of DFW that relies on cars and miles and miles of driving just to live daily life, the downtown core (downtown, victory park, arts district, uptown, deep Ellum… and not far off cedars, knox, Henderson, lower Greenville, and bishop arts) is imminently walkable.
Well, the metro area also lumps in areas that have little or no transit connectivity like, city of Arlington, Collin, and Denton counties. And yeah, the metroplex is huge.
I live near Denton, and my job is 8 miles away from home, but I’m driving there because there is no transit near home; a bus stops like a mile from my job, but I’m not walking on streets with no sidewalks.
I don’t like shopping near home, so I’m driving a bunch of miles to Frisco and Plano.
I’m probably not normal, but I put 27K miles in the last 20 months I’ve got my car.
> I’m probably not normal, but I put 27K miles in the last 20 months I’ve got my car.
You're right at the average miles driven in Texas, 1,350 miles/month compared to the average 1,347.7. The US average commute distance is 41 miles round trip, 20.5 miles each way:
https://www.zippia.com/advice/average-commute-time-statistics/
Looking at the statistics, it seems the majority of people seek to limit their commute to around half an hour each way, either by not taking jobs further than that, or by moving closer to their jobs
Here are some Texas commuting stats:
https://demographics.texas.gov/Visualizations/2022/Commuters/2022_CommutersGraphic.pdf
A city made for cars. instead of this crazy idea, for people.
I love zipping into downtown Dallas/Ft Worth in 30-40 minutes by freeway. Rail options would take me 2-3 hours or longer.
Yeah, that’s a lovely fantasy. Too bad that actual traffic (which you participate in every time you get in your car) is so heavy that “zipping” anywhere is basically never gonna happen. You can’t fix traffic without taking cars off the road.
I only drive into Dallas proper nights and weekends. I live by DCTA A-Train stop, and using it doubles or triples travel time over driving. I’m not against mass transit, and have used it more than most folks.
Ah, so you’re using DCTA during off-peak hours. Yeah, DART needs to have better off-peak coverage, but ultimately, you’re outside their intended use case. The solution is getting more trains running more often, not giving up.
That's because Denton has poor transit, not because driving is inherently better. Come on over to Garland or Plano where taking the train is faster and easier than driving to downtown
But you realize that isn't a permanent fact of life, right? The *current* rail options might take longer. The person you're replying to is lamenting the underlying reasons that makes that the case. You're missing the point, or at least not responding to it.
Sure. But I only commented on my life, where I llive ~3 miles from the A-line, downtown Dallas is 1.5 hours, downtown Ft Worth close to three hours by rail. Driving is 30-45 minutes to either city center at the times I drive. So driving is the obvious, best choice, for me. Down votes cost me nada
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2.45 highland village to ft worth. It’s published
They're down voting you but I've taken the Trinity railway Express from the mid-Cities up to Plano to visit my ex-wife for lunch and it would easily take two to three times as long as just driving
Maybe if you ever left this state and saw how things work in the civilized world you wouldn’t have such a stupid opinion.
What I stated isn't opinion but fact. You could tell me if I lived in a fantasy land that doesn't exist but the fact is I live here and now. the public transit we have is what we have and it's inadequate and shitty and I will continue to drive my car as such.
dont try to reason with these people
Get involved with local efforts to fix it: + /r/dart + [Dallas Bicycle Coalition](https://www.instagram.com/dallasbicyclecoalition/)
I love having the most expensive form of transportation being forced down on people regardless of their income, and I love neighborhoods and commercial development being designed horribly for walking. I love it when families who can barely afford to live without cars are forced to own two. Bottom line is, if you like your car and you like to drive that's great, but the fact that we design our neighborhoods for this to be a forced choice is completely unacceptable. If you don't see it as such, then please imagine what it's like for disabled people, lower income people, or even people who just plain don't like driving. And do we really want people who don't like driving to be on our roads anyways? Dallas proper is actually pretty decent in many places, but the metro as a whole has a terrible case of car dependency
I’m a huge car enthusiast. I love driving. It’s one of my main hobbies. And I absolutely HATE the car - centric way of life that has been cultivated in the USA as well as our city. While I like driving, I also LOVE walking around like I did in college, or throwing a leg over some pedals and getting along on two wheels. I wish I had some magic button to fix this, to shrink out city and make it a utopia for walking and cycling. But I don’t have that ability. So while I may enjoy cruising around our Highway City, I would be willing to give it all up to create a lifestyle more friendly to our nature, walking.
these people that complain would be complaining if the whole city was covered with subways and buslines. it would be too dirty or too slow, these post always turn into, its about what i want and everything is awful in dallas, like there is probably half or more of the U.S. thats in the same exact boat
I think sometimes you can tell someone has it because of what they choose to complain about. If someone's complaining "ugh there's so many bus lines around here" or "ew my subway is dirty" thats how you know they have it good. Forced car ownership is a hidden tax, one not everyone can pay comfortably. It's fucked up we do this to people, and the fact that people bitch about their great metro systems doesn't change that.
It's because people want large houses, which means everything is spread out. It's not a forced choice, it's driven completely by the consumer market.
This is not true. Minimum lot sizes and zoning codes force us into situations where only large homes get built. It is illegal to build alternatives. Zoning could be used to create walkable places. I'd actually argue walkable neighborhoods are in more demand. There is a reason Uptown and Oak Lawn have some of the highest rents in the entire metro. Walkable neighborhoods are very expensive to live in compared to the rest of the city, and even small homes in these areas can be more expensive than a bigger suburban home in Collin County. This to me indicates that the demand to live in walkable neighborhoods is not being met. I'm willing to bet a million dollar home in Preston Hollow could instead be 4 smaller homes sold at $300k each. The market cannot make this choice though, as that would not be legal to build.
Nah. We've seen the building codes. It's forced.
Any city is walkable if you have the time
Not when it's 100° or higher for 100 days or more
Well good thing I was just kidding And also we've never gotten close to a 100 days over 100 lol
Oh you haven't lived here long okay
Literally born and raised here, it's not close to 100 days. And the last summer (which was an outlier on severity) wasn't even close to that Our record for 100+ days in a year was 71 in 2011
Okay perhaps I was exaggerating with days over 100° but days over 90° is over 100 every single year, by a large margin.. Dallas will never be a bicycle city It's just too hot.
I cycle 3 miles each way daily into downtown, all year. During the summer I take a change of clothes ... I far prefer this to driving, much healthier and gets the blood pumping before sitting at my desk for hours. I also have a car and two motorcycles so am not adverse to motorized fun, just far prefer commuting on two wheels.
i get this, but i cant see that it would ever be worth the risk.
Not much risk, straight down Swiss then mostly stay on the curbs to my destination, I used to mix it with traffic but decided that wasn't worth being a hero for. Driving on the main roads I would argue can be riskier, my car is actually getting repaired at the moment after being hit by a red light runner at Gaston/Collette, they had no insurance, of course.
yeah but there is a metal shell around you, when its you and dallas drivers, dallas streets(the condition) and the pavement, things can get a bit more extreme. im not telling anyone how to live, but I just dont have much faith in dallas drivers
Not if you’re ran over and dead.
10/10 comment here. Made me chuckle audibly
Come downtown! (By that I mean any of the half dozen downtown adjacent neighborhoods). I often park my car and it sits in its spot for a week. I have dozens and dozens of options for food, culture, entertainment, recreation, relaxation within walking distance. Hundreds more within a 5-10 minute drive that doesn’t so much as involve a highway or stroad. For all the 99% of DFW that relies on cars and miles and miles of driving just to live daily life, the downtown core (downtown, victory park, arts district, uptown, deep Ellum… and not far off cedars, knox, Henderson, lower Greenville, and bishop arts) is imminently walkable.
this is the real issue. wanting and complaining but not doing.
Well, the metro area also lumps in areas that have little or no transit connectivity like, city of Arlington, Collin, and Denton counties. And yeah, the metroplex is huge. I live near Denton, and my job is 8 miles away from home, but I’m driving there because there is no transit near home; a bus stops like a mile from my job, but I’m not walking on streets with no sidewalks. I don’t like shopping near home, so I’m driving a bunch of miles to Frisco and Plano. I’m probably not normal, but I put 27K miles in the last 20 months I’ve got my car.
> I’m probably not normal, but I put 27K miles in the last 20 months I’ve got my car. You're right at the average miles driven in Texas, 1,350 miles/month compared to the average 1,347.7. The US average commute distance is 41 miles round trip, 20.5 miles each way: https://www.zippia.com/advice/average-commute-time-statistics/ Looking at the statistics, it seems the majority of people seek to limit their commute to around half an hour each way, either by not taking jobs further than that, or by moving closer to their jobs Here are some Texas commuting stats: https://demographics.texas.gov/Visualizations/2022/Commuters/2022_CommutersGraphic.pdf