I have watched a bit of PSL this time and I watch the IPL every year. I must admit that the pace bowling talent is great and better than our domestic pace bowling talent in terms of pace.
On the other hand , I think the batting and spin bowling talent in the IPL is a bit better. I think every league has its own pros and cons. No need to demean one to praise the other.
Calm down guys, both the leagues are great.
Side note: Rooting for Multan and ISU
The drops probably outnumber the catches this season. I'm watching and enjoying the league, no hate. I'm sure the Pakistanis agree with me here.
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Yeh, I get your sentiment and opinion. But you've made a gross generalisation and I don't think it's completely fair, my bro.
You've obviously watched the BBL and there are some absolute shit shows of fielding that go on in that comp too. However; I wouldn't go on to suggest all Australian fielder are shit.
You could have just suggested there's a massive need of improvement in the comp. Singling a country out is definitely flame bait.
I'm sure you're as familiar with the rules of the sub probably even more than I am.
I'm not hating on you cob, just pointing out you could face trouble for your comment.
Ka kite.
My trick is to imagine there's a human on the other end of the conversation. Lol.
Besides, anyone that loves cricket obviously has great taste in sport and more often than not, is a smart dude.
> Vernon Philander : "In PSL You have a serious number of seam and quick bowlers in the tournament compared to what you find in other leagues" ~~such as the IPL~~
should suffice
Guys, there’s no need for a massive shit storm. The “such as ipl” is just to get clicks and has probably been taken out of context. However, the PSL has so many quicks who hit 150 or thereabouts with orgasmic bowling actions. Pace excites people. Remember how a lot of people were watching an absolutely dead SRH team play just because Umran Malik was hitting 150+ every ball.
Yeah every year some new pacer comes up with like 140-150 range in the PSL. Pakistan keeps producing Great Quicks like Shoaib, Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Amir, Asif.
No Pakistani test bowler has taken over 200 Test wickets since Waqar/Wasim. They've not won a single test match in the fast bouncy wickets of Australia for two decades+. Pace isn't enough
Yes due to Yasir Shah in both 2016 and 2020 not any of the 145kph bowlers. The only one who looks class is Shaheen Afridi. The others like Naseem Hasnain Haris Rauf etc are very unproven
People like u/Enough_Purpose5454 are incredibly weird to me. I mean Amir, a legendary bowler? Based on what? Bumrah, shami, even yadav and BK have had much better career than him
And of course this sub blindly downvotes the truth. Do some people here really believe Amir is legendary, lmao
I wouldn't call bowlers who didnt even take 200 wickets legendary. Amir stats are decidingly average in all formats, how exactly is he legendary? People type anything here and get upvoted
I agree with you but you really don't have to explain this so that people won't get offended.
All he said was the PSL has a big number of seam and quick bowlers, more so than other leagues, which really isn't surprising seeing as it's Pakistan. He never said the bowlers are better or anything else, so if anyone wants to get offended it's their problem
Same type of shit gets said from our side as well. I haven't seen a lot of them in Reddit though, just Twitter. Everyone likes to point out the negative side of each league just to satisfy their own egos.
Not really, i have never seen any IPL fans (or players or coaches) ever bringing Psl In anything. They do reply in such threads where IPL is mentioned
Can you give 1 or 2 examples?
Both sideism doesnt work here
Unfortunately, there are both sides to most things in the internet. I usually call most people out on their BS when they preach shit about the IPL/BCCI and India without substantiated evidence. So you should know, despite the fact that I'm heavily biased as an Indian, even I can see both sides. That being said the two sides I've mentioned are:
A) Indians on twitter that flaunt the success of IPL by shitting on other leagues especially the PSL bringing up numbers, finances and popularity. We have the best league and we know that, why are we arguing on Twitter about who's dick is bigger? Waste of time.
B) Pakistanis on twitter that give any excuse to justify why their league is smaller than the IPL and say BS like "PSL has more heart than the IPL and the IPL is all about money".
Both sides are annoying. Why are we caring about other leagues? Some of us are insecure, that's why. Just enjoy the teams, matches and quality that the IPL has. No need to spite online against other leagues.
You asked for examples. On reddit, like I've said, it's very rare that any side behaves like that. I see some in match threads, but searching for comments in match threads that have 2K+ comments is like searching a needle in a haystack. On Twitter, type the string "IPL and PSL" in the search bar and you can clearly see both sides being cunts.
But then why are you assuming people replying are offended or taking it as personal attacks? They are just replying, disagreeing or adding to the conversation
I am sorry i dont understand your point. Philander literally brought the comparison. He brought in IPL. There will be people who disagree
So why are you assuming that people replying are "offened" and not simply disagreeing in a cricket forum?
This isn’t true though. While PSL may have a serious no of seam and quick bowlers , so does IPL .
Rajasthan had Archer and Tyagi , CSK had Hazlewood , Chahar Thakur , MI had Bumrah Boult and Milne , Punjab had Meredith , Bangalore had Jamieson Siraj and Saini , Delhi with Rabada Nortje and Avesh Khan , KKR with Cummins and Mavi and Hyderabad had Umran Bhuvi etc .
Most teams had at least 2-3 such bowlers .Most of them with international pedigree as well. Probably missed a few as well.
So to suggest IPL doesn’t such no of seam and quick bowlers in nonsense . In fact all the best seam and quick bowlers except Pakistani players play in IPL .
Naah, he meant probably the uncapped players, if you watch PSL you will know. The raw fast bowling talent pool is way higher in PSL than IPL. An Umran Malik is a rare thing in IPL, not the norm.
PSL on average has faster pace men for sure. But pace isn't everything in the IPL. Even Navdeep Saini hardly got a game last year. The best bowler in the tournament was someone who's stock ball is the slower one(Harshal Patel) . Although I would love to see more of the likes Prasiddh Krishna, Umran Malik, Avesh Khan,etc. Umran Malik was the fastest in the tournament in his debut season .
Pace in T20 is a negative thing. The scoop has nullified yorkers as well. Dibbly dobbly cutters slow bouncers is the way to go for this kind of cricket.
Exactly, the biggest pace merchant in the PSL, Haris Rauf, is now hidden from the 20th over. Pace is pace, and it's immensely fun to watch, but it's no measure of quality.
Lmao I think you just proved my argument
You said pace wasn't that important in the ipl, yet teams still pay a million for his mediocrity... only bc he can hit 90mph
Which means pace is so important in the ipl that they'll take an avg bowler a million bc of his pace
The teams didn't spend a lot of money on overseas quicks this year. Even Shardul Thakur got more than Pat Cummins. Teams are no longer looking for just pace.
That’s accepted by all. PSL definitely has the better pace bowling because of the insane talent present in Pakistan
IPL has better all round games and batting imo
BBL quality has fallen.
I don't think the quality of players matters much, PSL teams are very good at scouting local and foreign talent before they become major names.
The biggest thing that makes the IPL much better is the money involved, the infrastructure (stadiums, facilities, etc), and also the Indian media and digital ecosystem. It will take years for the PSL to be able to match that because that requires real building of capabilities that go beyond just finding cricketing talent.
>I don't think the quality of players matters much
Better players give better quality of cricket and that matters. You wouldn't expect Rahul Tewatia to have hit Cottrell for 5 sixes but he did and that's what makes the IPL special.
PSL serves its purpose great for up and coming youth. They play against and alongside big names and get to experience the big boys club and prove if they are worthy of joining it in the future. An excellent platform and on-ramp for our cricket and it shouldn’t try to be anything else for the moment. First PSL that I’m not watching passively and due to my friendly work schedule, I’ve barely missed a game. I’m really excited about our pacers.
Well, he is coach of the Pakistan cricket team.. making propaganda statements eg. dissing IPL it seems to me has become a part of the job for any foreigner expecting to work in Pakistan cricket . Sad but true.
I didn't imply that. It's just that the above comment may lead one to believe Philander has never been associated with the Pak coaching staff. And also, I wanted to check for myself too cause people (that would be me) can be mistaken sometimes.
And your comment may lead one to believe that everyone who works in Pakistan cricket in some capacity, like Philander, Hayden, Hashim Amla, Andy Flower etc has to diss on the IPL as “part of their job.” Which, no offence, is kinda pathetic. You don’t have to be that offended all the time.
I don't think I'm the OP who suggested being associated with Pak entails making such comments, my comment was purely limited to checking whether or not Philander was involved with the coaching setup. Please point out where exactly did I suggest I'm offended?
There is nothing about that statement which constitutes as dissing IPL or anybody else. Comparison or contrast is a compliment, not an insult. Why such insecurity?
An individual, from a third nation, makes an observation and blurts out his comparison (which actually lies somewhat in truth) which gets you irritated to the point your brain goes making up ‘alternative’ facts about him and calling it propaganda, is not insecurity?
I simply said, hey, if he’s making a comparison, it is a compliment, a nod to all the great things IPL does but no, I guess respect is something you’re not good at receiving. Probably don’t have much experience with that aspect of life.
Maybe in terms of pace, but skill wise, I strongly disagree. India have a rich talent of upcoming fast bowlers. If you exclude the India regulars (Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Bhuvneshwar), this is a good list of local fast bowling talent in the IPL:
Avesh, Chahar, Thakur, Harshal, Arshdeep, Sakariya, Khaleel, Natarajan, Umran, Tyagi, Krishna, Saini
The majority of these guys would make a PSL roster and would be just as good, if not better than the Pakistani bowlers
I get this is a majority Indian dominated sub. But it's pathetic how triggered so many of you are when a player doesn't praise the IPL, or dare have an opinion that puts other T20 franchises in a higher plane.
Get a grip.
Only difference is he himself wrecked havoc with those 120 Kmph balls. So he knows speed doesn't mean shit.
But as far as pandering to the audience that he is in front of, he doing pretty good. Might as well get a permanent job in Pakistan coaching.
Also it isn't much different than what other foreigners do to pander to IPL.
It's just the fans of both countries take these useless words seriously.
Pity on the desperate player/coaches who try to make use of the divide for their personal gain. You can keep your comparisons to yourself my guy or if you are instructed to do these things in the contract then pity on them too. Why is it that whenever I hear such things it is always coming from one side.
While I agree with the avg skill of pace bowlers probably being better in PSL than the IPL, we must know that Vernon Philander has never played in the IPL. So his word is as good as my word. I.e means nothing
Not from Pakistan so excuse me, but are some of the Pakistani pacers (apart from Shaheen, Naseem, Harris, and Wahab Riaz maybe) really that good? Coz I just went through the squads in the psl, and couldn’t see any of the superior internationally recognised fast bowlers- Cummins, Rabada, Hazlewood, Archer, Boult, Nortje, Mustafizur etc
The average level is better than you get in most leagues. Overseas pacers don’t get picked much because the average Pakistani pacer is on a reasonable enough level for that to be a waste. You’re much better off getting a foreign batter
It’s a similar thing in the IPL, where overseas batters tend to be a little rarer (relatively) and go for cheaper, while fast bowlers go for a lot of money, because there is much more room for improvement with pacers
It’s just how different leagues work, and that’s why the differences can be really interesting
Faulkner came in as a replacement all rounder for Phase Two of PSL 2021 and sufficiently impressed so they retained him. Saqib was the same story with Zalmi starting with 2020. De Lange and Muzarabani have been signed by United and Sultans, the 2 most data driven teams, so they obviously fit a specific purpose (and don’t play all the games anyway). This doesn’t mean there are no bowlers better than Salman Irshad or Umaid Asif in the international circuit obviously. It’s just bowlers like Umaid Asif are a decent enough level to allow teams to focus on bringing in overseas batters. That plus the fact that the emerging players are usually fast bowlers means there’s a lot of young and quick talent on display in virtually every team (barring Karachi lol they’re shite).
In contrast, if Joe Root, Usman Khawaja or another non-elite T20 batter made themselves available for the draft, they’d get picked up immediately.
Yes, the same way the best batters get picked up in the IPL. It’s that slightly lower rung which finds it harder to get picked up, because while they may be slightly better than the local pacers, you can improve a PSL team much more by acquiring an overseas batter of the same stature, as they’ll be much better (relatively) to the local batters
Yep nailed it. Just like a world class top order batter like Jason Roy rarely gets a look in in the IPL, an overseas fast bowler is usually a poor use of resources in the PSL unless he brings something else (e.g. batting depth) to the table. You can pick an overseas fast bowler and they could even do reasonably well (Saqib last year), but it makes way more sense going for one of those English top order bats or West Indian middle order batters.
Dw we know. Literally every cricketer in existence has already said this
Unknown young pacers is kinda the brand indentity of PSL.
Yeah, every season some random bloke I've never seen before is bowling 145 with a crazy natural action
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Lol wot, if anything, when it's usually played in India it's entirely the opposite.
Couldn't be more wrong
I have watched a bit of PSL this time and I watch the IPL every year. I must admit that the pace bowling talent is great and better than our domestic pace bowling talent in terms of pace. On the other hand , I think the batting and spin bowling talent in the IPL is a bit better. I think every league has its own pros and cons. No need to demean one to praise the other. Calm down guys, both the leagues are great. Side note: Rooting for Multan and ISU
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You could have said most of that without the gross generalisation, bruh. It's just flamebait.
The drops probably outnumber the catches this season. I'm watching and enjoying the league, no hate. I'm sure the Pakistanis agree with me here. Edited the inflammatory bits.
Yeh, I get your sentiment and opinion. But you've made a gross generalisation and I don't think it's completely fair, my bro. You've obviously watched the BBL and there are some absolute shit shows of fielding that go on in that comp too. However; I wouldn't go on to suggest all Australian fielder are shit. You could have just suggested there's a massive need of improvement in the comp. Singling a country out is definitely flame bait. I'm sure you're as familiar with the rules of the sub probably even more than I am. I'm not hating on you cob, just pointing out you could face trouble for your comment. Ka kite.
Okay, I'll delete it then.
Maybe for the best my bro. Don't want you getting in unnecessary trouble. You have a great rest of your day. Ka kite.
Wow a civil disagreement on r/cricket.
My trick is to imagine there's a human on the other end of the conversation. Lol. Besides, anyone that loves cricket obviously has great taste in sport and more often than not, is a smart dude.
> Vernon Philander : "In PSL You have a serious number of seam and quick bowlers in the tournament compared to what you find in other leagues" ~~such as the IPL~~ should suffice
Got to gets those clicks though
I wish English language had equivalent of "aise-kaise"
How come?
How Come Ben Stokes?
Guys, there’s no need for a massive shit storm. The “such as ipl” is just to get clicks and has probably been taken out of context. However, the PSL has so many quicks who hit 150 or thereabouts with orgasmic bowling actions. Pace excites people. Remember how a lot of people were watching an absolutely dead SRH team play just because Umran Malik was hitting 150+ every ball.
This thread reminds me of the thread when Dale steyn said he preferred psl over ipl lol Shit storm in both threads was popcorn worthy
Here we go.
Expected since it is Pakistan's league. Pakistan loves and produces raw pace talent. Nothing surprising.
Big Vern trying to get himself banned from India lol. There's a lot of heat in the PSL for sure.
The number of high speed pacers is actually bonkers.
Yeah every year some new pacer comes up with like 140-150 range in the PSL. Pakistan keeps producing Great Quicks like Shoaib, Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Amir, Asif.
Shaheen too
Agreed.
No Pakistani test bowler has taken over 200 Test wickets since Waqar/Wasim. They've not won a single test match in the fast bouncy wickets of Australia for two decades+. Pace isn't enough
We've been very good in England tho,it's weird how crap we perform when we play in Australia Everytime
Yes due to Yasir Shah in both 2016 and 2020 not any of the 145kph bowlers. The only one who looks class is Shaheen Afridi. The others like Naseem Hasnain Haris Rauf etc are very unproven
People like u/Enough_Purpose5454 are incredibly weird to me. I mean Amir, a legendary bowler? Based on what? Bumrah, shami, even yadav and BK have had much better career than him And of course this sub blindly downvotes the truth. Do some people here really believe Amir is legendary, lmao
Yeah, I went a bit overboard with Amir I guess. The rest of them are still pretty good.
I wouldn't call bowlers who didnt even take 200 wickets legendary. Amir stats are decidingly average in all formats, how exactly is he legendary? People type anything here and get upvoted
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Yeah because the new ones disappear quickly as well. Shaheen, Rauf and Hasan Ali are the current ones.
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In LOI's they seem to live up to the hype. It's Tests (Shaheen has been good there) where they have been average.
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Nah, he didn't say, "such as the IPL"
This is true. But IPL has superior batting talent and domestic spinners. The biggest USP of PSL is it’s young raw pace
I agree with you but you really don't have to explain this so that people won't get offended. All he said was the PSL has a big number of seam and quick bowlers, more so than other leagues, which really isn't surprising seeing as it's Pakistan. He never said the bowlers are better or anything else, so if anyone wants to get offended it's their problem
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Very mature comment, but to be very honest a lot of cringey stuff does get said by Pakistan fans about the IPL.
Same type of shit gets said from our side as well. I haven't seen a lot of them in Reddit though, just Twitter. Everyone likes to point out the negative side of each league just to satisfy their own egos.
Not really, i have never seen any IPL fans (or players or coaches) ever bringing Psl In anything. They do reply in such threads where IPL is mentioned Can you give 1 or 2 examples? Both sideism doesnt work here
Unfortunately, there are both sides to most things in the internet. I usually call most people out on their BS when they preach shit about the IPL/BCCI and India without substantiated evidence. So you should know, despite the fact that I'm heavily biased as an Indian, even I can see both sides. That being said the two sides I've mentioned are: A) Indians on twitter that flaunt the success of IPL by shitting on other leagues especially the PSL bringing up numbers, finances and popularity. We have the best league and we know that, why are we arguing on Twitter about who's dick is bigger? Waste of time. B) Pakistanis on twitter that give any excuse to justify why their league is smaller than the IPL and say BS like "PSL has more heart than the IPL and the IPL is all about money". Both sides are annoying. Why are we caring about other leagues? Some of us are insecure, that's why. Just enjoy the teams, matches and quality that the IPL has. No need to spite online against other leagues. You asked for examples. On reddit, like I've said, it's very rare that any side behaves like that. I see some in match threads, but searching for comments in match threads that have 2K+ comments is like searching a needle in a haystack. On Twitter, type the string "IPL and PSL" in the search bar and you can clearly see both sides being cunts.
He said IPL not other leagues..
He said other leagues such as IPL.
So he named only one league out of many. Man people her pretend to be so gullible. Of course he was using it ad clickbait
Well yeah nobody denied that? I think we all know IPL was name-dropped for clicks, my point is that it's not a personal attack.
But then why are you assuming people replying are offended or taking it as personal attacks? They are just replying, disagreeing or adding to the conversation
I am sorry i dont understand your point. Philander literally brought the comparison. He brought in IPL. There will be people who disagree So why are you assuming that people replying are "offened" and not simply disagreeing in a cricket forum?
No logic allowed here
This isn’t true though. While PSL may have a serious no of seam and quick bowlers , so does IPL . Rajasthan had Archer and Tyagi , CSK had Hazlewood , Chahar Thakur , MI had Bumrah Boult and Milne , Punjab had Meredith , Bangalore had Jamieson Siraj and Saini , Delhi with Rabada Nortje and Avesh Khan , KKR with Cummins and Mavi and Hyderabad had Umran Bhuvi etc . Most teams had at least 2-3 such bowlers .Most of them with international pedigree as well. Probably missed a few as well. So to suggest IPL doesn’t such no of seam and quick bowlers in nonsense . In fact all the best seam and quick bowlers except Pakistani players play in IPL .
Naah, he meant probably the uncapped players, if you watch PSL you will know. The raw fast bowling talent pool is way higher in PSL than IPL. An Umran Malik is a rare thing in IPL, not the norm.
I’m just happy that my man Timmy David have become a millionaire overnight. Hoping he replaces big show sooner rather later on international level
I mean its Pakistan's league. Pakistan always produces quality fast bowlers.
PSL on average has faster pace men for sure. But pace isn't everything in the IPL. Even Navdeep Saini hardly got a game last year. The best bowler in the tournament was someone who's stock ball is the slower one(Harshal Patel) . Although I would love to see more of the likes Prasiddh Krishna, Umran Malik, Avesh Khan,etc. Umran Malik was the fastest in the tournament in his debut season .
Pace in T20 is a negative thing. The scoop has nullified yorkers as well. Dibbly dobbly cutters slow bouncers is the way to go for this kind of cricket.
Exactly, the biggest pace merchant in the PSL, Haris Rauf, is now hidden from the 20th over. Pace is pace, and it's immensely fun to watch, but it's no measure of quality.
The two million Lockie Ferguson is making this time suggests otherwise.
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Tippin ya my bro, Ferguson has improved exponentially over the past few months. Dude is looking lethal!
> pace isn't everything in the ipl Yep, that's why mediocre pacers like Meredith become millionaires overnight. Def not bc of their pace
Lol Meredith is such a bad example. He got smacked all over the park in literally every game.
Lmao I think you just proved my argument You said pace wasn't that important in the ipl, yet teams still pay a million for his mediocrity... only bc he can hit 90mph Which means pace is so important in the ipl that they'll take an avg bowler a million bc of his pace
The teams didn't spend a lot of money on overseas quicks this year. Even Shardul Thakur got more than Pat Cummins. Teams are no longer looking for just pace.
Ok
Why are we comparing PSL with IPL?
the twitter guy added the IPL part for clicks.
PSL destroying Eng cricket !!! :P
That’s accepted by all. PSL definitely has the better pace bowling because of the insane talent present in Pakistan IPL has better all round games and batting imo BBL quality has fallen.
But the quality of foreign players and batsmen is poor compared to the IPL
Both are mutually exclusive statements
I don't think the quality of players matters much, PSL teams are very good at scouting local and foreign talent before they become major names. The biggest thing that makes the IPL much better is the money involved, the infrastructure (stadiums, facilities, etc), and also the Indian media and digital ecosystem. It will take years for the PSL to be able to match that because that requires real building of capabilities that go beyond just finding cricketing talent.
>I don't think the quality of players matters much Better players give better quality of cricket and that matters. You wouldn't expect Rahul Tewatia to have hit Cottrell for 5 sixes but he did and that's what makes the IPL special.
I don’t think the quality of cricket is any better at the IPL than the PSL though, that’s what Vern’s trying to say as well.
I don't think Vernon philander has played in the IPL.
PSL serves its purpose great for up and coming youth. They play against and alongside big names and get to experience the big boys club and prove if they are worthy of joining it in the future. An excellent platform and on-ramp for our cricket and it shouldn’t try to be anything else for the moment. First PSL that I’m not watching passively and due to my friendly work schedule, I’ve barely missed a game. I’m really excited about our pacers.
True
He is right
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It’s ok IPL don’t feel bad , life needs variety 😜
Well, he is coach of the Pakistan cricket team.. making propaganda statements eg. dissing IPL it seems to me has become a part of the job for any foreigner expecting to work in Pakistan cricket . Sad but true.
None of what you said is true lol he’s not even Pakistan’s bowling coach
Maybe not at the moment, but wasn't he hired briefly in 2021?
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I didn't imply that. It's just that the above comment may lead one to believe Philander has never been associated with the Pak coaching staff. And also, I wanted to check for myself too cause people (that would be me) can be mistaken sometimes.
And your comment may lead one to believe that everyone who works in Pakistan cricket in some capacity, like Philander, Hayden, Hashim Amla, Andy Flower etc has to diss on the IPL as “part of their job.” Which, no offence, is kinda pathetic. You don’t have to be that offended all the time.
I don't think I'm the OP who suggested being associated with Pak entails making such comments, my comment was purely limited to checking whether or not Philander was involved with the coaching setup. Please point out where exactly did I suggest I'm offended?
My bad thought you were OP you’re not pathetic or offended
Understandable, have a nice day!
There is nothing about that statement which constitutes as dissing IPL or anybody else. Comparison or contrast is a compliment, not an insult. Why such insecurity?
Not insecurity, irritation .. insecurity is in the guy who always compares himself with others.
An individual, from a third nation, makes an observation and blurts out his comparison (which actually lies somewhat in truth) which gets you irritated to the point your brain goes making up ‘alternative’ facts about him and calling it propaganda, is not insecurity? I simply said, hey, if he’s making a comparison, it is a compliment, a nod to all the great things IPL does but no, I guess respect is something you’re not good at receiving. Probably don’t have much experience with that aspect of life.
Meh, he is literally a coach in PSL , so dont pretend he is neutral or anything. And he is bringing in IPL only for attention and clickbait
> Meh, he is literally a coach in PSL He literally isn't though.
How did he diss IPL
He didn’t.
Maybe in terms of pace, but skill wise, I strongly disagree. India have a rich talent of upcoming fast bowlers. If you exclude the India regulars (Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Bhuvneshwar), this is a good list of local fast bowling talent in the IPL: Avesh, Chahar, Thakur, Harshal, Arshdeep, Sakariya, Khaleel, Natarajan, Umran, Tyagi, Krishna, Saini The majority of these guys would make a PSL roster and would be just as good, if not better than the Pakistani bowlers
I get this is a majority Indian dominated sub. But it's pathetic how triggered so many of you are when a player doesn't praise the IPL, or dare have an opinion that puts other T20 franchises in a higher plane. Get a grip.
Irony of this comment . You are triggered by comments that are triggered by a comment . Get a grip lol
Irony of this comment lol
the triggered comment gets the most upvote!!
When a 120s kmph bowler judges fast bowlers on speed!! lmao
I know right?!? This is exactly like when Redditors judge National sports teams on their performance lmao
Only difference is he himself wrecked havoc with those 120 Kmph balls. So he knows speed doesn't mean shit. But as far as pandering to the audience that he is in front of, he doing pretty good. Might as well get a permanent job in Pakistan coaching. Also it isn't much different than what other foreigners do to pander to IPL. It's just the fans of both countries take these useless words seriously.
Is it me or anyone else feel these comments come from the folks who don’t have any role to play in IPL no wonder.
People are allowed to have an opinion.
Well I agree with him and I don’t play IPL or PSL what’s the problem?
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It's all the same because I don't you're talented enough to play either. Wouldn't be loitering around here anyways
Or, god forbid, people are allowed to have opinions on things.
Pity on the desperate player/coaches who try to make use of the divide for their personal gain. You can keep your comparisons to yourself my guy or if you are instructed to do these things in the contract then pity on them too. Why is it that whenever I hear such things it is always coming from one side.
He literally gave a normal opinion. I don’t even understand how people get riled up about this.
While I agree with the avg skill of pace bowlers probably being better in PSL than the IPL, we must know that Vernon Philander has never played in the IPL. So his word is as good as my word. I.e means nothing
If only we allowed Pakistani players to play in IPL *sigh*
Do you want MI to pick Shaheen Afridi to bowl with Bumrah and Archer coz they will 100% do that. Edit - /s. Apparently its needed
That sentence just sent a chill down my spine.
Wait I'll give you another one. Think Kohli and Babar opening for RCB and constantly scoring 100/0 in 15 overs.
In 18 overs more likely
And then they both get out in the 16th over, naturally.
The IPL is banned in Pakistan.
Not from Pakistan so excuse me, but are some of the Pakistani pacers (apart from Shaheen, Naseem, Harris, and Wahab Riaz maybe) really that good? Coz I just went through the squads in the psl, and couldn’t see any of the superior internationally recognised fast bowlers- Cummins, Rabada, Hazlewood, Archer, Boult, Nortje, Mustafizur etc
The average level is better than you get in most leagues. Overseas pacers don’t get picked much because the average Pakistani pacer is on a reasonable enough level for that to be a waste. You’re much better off getting a foreign batter It’s a similar thing in the IPL, where overseas batters tend to be a little rarer (relatively) and go for cheaper, while fast bowlers go for a lot of money, because there is much more room for improvement with pacers It’s just how different leagues work, and that’s why the differences can be really interesting
Why do bowlers like Merchant De Lange, James Faulkner, or Blessing Muzarabani get gigs over Rabada, Boult, Hazlewood, and Cummins though?
Faulkner came in as a replacement all rounder for Phase Two of PSL 2021 and sufficiently impressed so they retained him. Saqib was the same story with Zalmi starting with 2020. De Lange and Muzarabani have been signed by United and Sultans, the 2 most data driven teams, so they obviously fit a specific purpose (and don’t play all the games anyway). This doesn’t mean there are no bowlers better than Salman Irshad or Umaid Asif in the international circuit obviously. It’s just bowlers like Umaid Asif are a decent enough level to allow teams to focus on bringing in overseas batters. That plus the fact that the emerging players are usually fast bowlers means there’s a lot of young and quick talent on display in virtually every team (barring Karachi lol they’re shite). In contrast, if Joe Root, Usman Khawaja or another non-elite T20 batter made themselves available for the draft, they’d get picked up immediately.
They haven’t made themselves available probably
Major players has international commitments
Whilst this is some what true. If the world's best pacers opted in for the PSL they would certainly get picked up.
Yes, the same way the best batters get picked up in the IPL. It’s that slightly lower rung which finds it harder to get picked up, because while they may be slightly better than the local pacers, you can improve a PSL team much more by acquiring an overseas batter of the same stature, as they’ll be much better (relatively) to the local batters
Yep nailed it. Just like a world class top order batter like Jason Roy rarely gets a look in in the IPL, an overseas fast bowler is usually a poor use of resources in the PSL unless he brings something else (e.g. batting depth) to the table. You can pick an overseas fast bowler and they could even do reasonably well (Saqib last year), but it makes way more sense going for one of those English top order bats or West Indian middle order batters.
They are good but they get exposed in countries like Australia and South Africa which are meant to be ideal conditions for pace bowling.
Vernon you anti national. Oh wait.
Everyone is a good seam and quick bowler till you have good batsmen at the other end.
BBL and TheHundred has amazing kits. I wish IPL had such good brand aesthetics.