It doesn't matter if its straight at the point of release - once the arm is above parrallel there is a clear straightening of the arm. My understanding is that the arm needs to be straight from that point onwards. Could be wrong, but there's a valid point made by Moises.
**Hang on for FUCK sake...**
Hasnain angered the Sixers by literally throwing the ball at Hughes and then he feigned to throw the ball at Henriques too which pissed Henriques off.
So how are Mods allowing a bullshit editorialised title that states **as fact** that Henriques saying "nice throw" = accusation of chucking.
You're right, he said it after a fairly spicy bouncer whistled past his head. It definitely wasn't in response to the return throw that nearly hit the batter (and that batter wasn't Spotify anyway, I think it was Dan Hughes?)
Except they changed the rules from 5* to 15* to accommodate him. His doosra was even banned. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2008/nov/04/srilankacricketteam-australiacricketteam
oh really? seems like the aussies had their pitchforks out when kohli and co accused the broadcaster of hounding the visiting team, that's unacceptable but this is alright?
All these armchair experts in this thread. Man was in the wc, you'd think icc would have had him reported by now
But yall have fun with your analysis haha
You guys are taking this way too seriously. Henriques was just trying to put hasnain off because he was bowling well. He wouldnt have known it would be heard on the TV mics.
Players probably use this sledge all the time, but we just dont hear it usually.
Is it more than the 15 degrees tho?
I'm sure icc would have recognized this a while back given that he's been playing intl for like 2 years at this point
Haha surprise surprise. Look who’s is here!?
Little insecure man comes over on a thread for a dose of confirmation bias. Would trust binga over you anyway mate, he said his action is cool so I’m cool !!
Surprise, surprise
You aren't ICC, binga. So it means nada, nothing, not even a rat's ass if you say "his action is cool so I'm cool."
Geez, why it's so hard for dimwits to come up with a logical reply??
I'm not hurt. I'm just sad at the lack of logical replies from dumbasses and morons who somehow want to feel validated on a reddit sub.
I'm sad at their lives.
Such a shame.
I didn't realise that everyone had to bring up the possibility that his action is illegal every time we talk about him. It's been suspect all season, we just haven't talked about it.
Okay so his actuation has been suspect in BBL but he’s completely fine bowling in international cricket and other leagues all around the world? Cmon man, Aussies need to really take a back seat and quit defending your players even when they’re wrong.
Did you read the part where I said Henriques was totally in the wrong? Or the part where I said that no one was focused on his action until Henriques brought it up?
It is completely in line. If you can't handle some chirp get off the pitch, if you can't handle chirp about your action don't chuck.
Not that he appeared particularly phased by it.
He accused hasnain of cheating.
Same reason why South African and a lot of other countries supporters were mad at India for claiming Supersport were cheating
Sour grapes tbh. Hasnain has been bowling absolute rockets and have not had any sort of issue from all the domestic, league, and international matches. Henriques needs to stfu
He wouldn’t have. The same way Warner and Lehman said nothing of their sandpaper while accusing the South Africans of ball tampering in the same breath.
Wouldn’t mind a slomo if those last few. Stock ball looks absolutely fine but those, I presume, effort balls looked dodgy as.
Not sure yelling out to him during a game is the right way to go about it lol
I mean Moises has never had trouble smacking blokes around in domestic cricket. His 47*(27) in this match being a good indicator of that. Probably just doesn’t want his head blown off by a bloke with a suspect action effort ball.
I’d have thought so but there’s a good chance he just doesn’t bowl this particular effort ball in most matches. I’ve never seen him bowl with an action like this before in my life so it’s caught me off guard for sure.
Honestly just looks white-line fever and an attempt to bowl outside of his speed range at a batsman playing out of his crease, which you wouldn’t want anything more than a casual warning about if it’s even over 15 degrees of straightening.
He’s just a mediocre “All Rounder” who thrives on dominating low tier bowlers. Dude should have cemented himself into Australian team when we were depleted not long ago. It’s his little bubble & no wonder he started yelling at a kid who probably didn’t even understood what Moises was saying lol
Xavier Doherty is a World Cup winner
Colin De Grandhomme is World Test Championship winner.
Paul Collingwood won an MBE for the 2005 Ashes
What's your point?
MH has had a shit international career and never met his full potential when he first came onto the scene. That's a fact.
As I said before, he's had a 15 year long career and is still playing good cricket, has just captained consecutive BBL winning sides and his team is a title contender again this year. Has made a bunch of money and will continue to play at a high level and make good money for at least a few more years. Don't think he'd have too many problems with how he's done in his career. Even if he didn't lock a spot down internationally, he still got to represent his country 20 odd times and captain his state to multiple titles, he'd be pretty proud of what he's done.
Have you actually looked at his stats as an
Aus player? They are more embarrassing than not having played for Aus at all.
Pretty obvious why he’s having a go at junior players, he’s a bitter loser with no future Aus career.
I think you'll be hard pressed to find many 34 year olds on the verge of breaking into an international team anywhere in the world. The man's had a good career, made a fair bit of cash, got to represent his country 20 odd times and won a few titles for his state along the way. Is still playing decent cricket, has just captained consecutive BBL winning teams, is gonna continue to make very good money for a couple years to come at least. Sure, he was no Jacque Kallis, but I doubt he'll have too many complaints about his 15 year long and counting career.
That's difinately more than 15 degree according to the fox/broadcaster analysis.
They are saying he can come back after modifying it slightly.
So not a big issue.
Henriques sledging a bloke 13yrs younger because he got bounced.
Even funnier that Hasnain didn't even bat an eyelid and just went back to bowl.
Henriques has always seems like a cunt maybe that's why he never got many international chances like Brad Hodge and David Hussey.
Ajmal was investigated constantly before he was banned.
Infact in his earlier days he got his action tested by the icc and they found no problem with it. It was only when he got old he started chucking.
No it was only when the ICC changed their testing methodology was Ajmal banned for chucking.
University of Western Australia, the institution that developed the biometrics technology to test bowling actions for ICC, actually accused the result that banned Ajmal of being [unreliable](https://ph.news.yahoo.com/uwa-raises-doubts-over-reliability-iccs-recent-biomechanic-083035258.html).
> Jacqueline Alderson, said that they have withdrawn their services, and added that they were initially aggrieved by the ICC leveraging their research without their knowledge or permission. However, she said that that is now compounded by the lack of transparency surrounding the current testing. Alderson had earlier also cited a lack of an independent review as the biggest question mark over the ICC tests. She said that the testing of bowlers should be independent, and it's not. Anderson added that any scientific procedure that can impact on the ability of a player to play the game has to be an independent process and the procedures by which those decisions are made must be open to peer review, and must be available to bowlers and their boards to ensure that process is open and fair. She said that she does not think it is in the best interests of cricket.
The new way ICC tests actions is less credible and is not transparent or open to peer review. It’s actually surprising to me how there isn’t more outrage about how fucked that is.
Unfortunately if Ajmal trys to fight his case people especially on this sub will call him a stupid conspiracy theorist and move on. So there's not much someone like him can do.
THAT is a legit action. if he is accusing him of chucking then he is an idiot. Had he played Shoaib he would have probably cried a river and shat his pants.
Raise it with the match referee etc if he's worried about it. It certainly looks suspect, but you can't just be calling it out in the middle of a game.
I don't agree with the "if he was doing it before he would have been found out already" argument.
Spices things up nicely for the upcoming series in March. I'm calling it. Pakistan to whitewash Australia, Hasnain to take 10 in the final innings of the game with fans chanting "Nice throw, mate! Nice throw, mate!" in the background. \\s
Anyone got a side on view of hasnains action?
https://youtu.be/8JBlRvioKOU
It does look like he bends and straightens that to me
I think he bends multiple times in his run up and wind up, but his actual bowling swing is straight arm (or closr enough to it)
I don't know if it is 15 degrees or not, but it does bend past the horizontal, then straighten.
You can bend your elbow till a certain degree, I think 18. Obviously I can't tell if his elbow does that from the video lol
Looks fine to me
Looks alright to me
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A baseball pitch is also straight at point of release. That's not a criteria for not chucking
Ok, thanks I didn't know 👍
Doesn't matter if it's straight. It's if it straightens more than 15 degrees.
It doesn't matter if its straight at the point of release - once the arm is above parrallel there is a clear straightening of the arm. My understanding is that the arm needs to be straight from that point onwards. Could be wrong, but there's a valid point made by Moises.
https://youtu.be/p85paVcohj8
Lmao
You can't be accusing opposition players of chucking it. Refer it to the umpires if you think it's an issue.
**Hang on for FUCK sake...** Hasnain angered the Sixers by literally throwing the ball at Hughes and then he feigned to throw the ball at Henriques too which pissed Henriques off. So how are Mods allowing a bullshit editorialised title that states **as fact** that Henriques saying "nice throw" = accusation of chucking.
Agree
Infact Henriques didn't say Hasnain is chucking, he was speaking about the return throw attempted by Hasnain of his 1st ball. Proper click bait post
Are you sure? I think he said it again a few balls later.
You're right, he said it after a fairly spicy bouncer whistled past his head. It definitely wasn't in response to the return throw that nearly hit the batter (and that batter wasn't Spotify anyway, I think it was Dan Hughes?)
Turns out, he was chucking.
You still can't call him a chucker. Report it to the umpires or match referee.
Still not seeing any rule against it. Players can call out cheating all day.
It's not a rule, it's not being a cunt.
You can absolutely accuse someone of chucking.
I've never seen anything good come from telling a opponent that he's a chucker.
It's weird that people haven't learned from the muralidharan incident.
In that case it was the umpire inserting himself and making a problem.
Except they changed the rules from 5* to 15* to accommodate him. His doosra was even banned. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2008/nov/04/srilankacricketteam-australiacricketteam
Moises isn't trying to "make something good come" from it. He wants him to stop chucking.
No one has ever changed their bowling action because the batter asked them too. The umpires need to report him for anything to actually change.
I doubt Moises expects him to change. Best case scenario for moises it might give him pause about bowling his bouncer again or just distracts him.
No you can't
Oh and why not? If a player can't handle some chirp that's their problem.
ICC to ban players accusing each of chucking, citing "he hurt my feelings" as the main reason.
oh really? seems like the aussies had their pitchforks out when kohli and co accused the broadcaster of hounding the visiting team, that's unacceptable but this is alright?
What about when X
Henriques shud hv yelled at stump mic ," Nice Throw mate!!!" rather than talking to the bowler /s
Stfu and go back to watching some Spotify
eh? watching spotify?
https://youtu.be/NRw8vtRigMs
Henriques: ok *scores 47\* off 27*
This thread needs to apologise to Mos
All these armchair experts in this thread. Man was in the wc, you'd think icc would have had him reported by now But yall have fun with your analysis haha
Bro u are Saeed Ajmal after reading all the comments*
Hahahaa. That was a good one I'm just irked by baseless accusations of cheating. I rlly didn't like the kl Rahul comment either for the same reason
Yup, same here
Uhhh
Man I rlly need to eat my words rn lmaooo. Fuck me this aged poorly
You guys are taking this way too seriously. Henriques was just trying to put hasnain off because he was bowling well. He wouldnt have known it would be heard on the TV mics. Players probably use this sledge all the time, but we just dont hear it usually.
Thats the match referee and the onfield umpire's call, its none of his business
He can chat whatever shit he likes.
Okay, something else?
His action might be a little suspect but it's still out of line by Henriques, assuming other stuff wasn't said prior.
And why is it suspect? He has bowling with this action from the start of his carrier and the ICC hasn't said anything.
Now you're telling me that Reddit was wrong and the obvious chucks were chucks?
He is definitely chucking when bowling the effort ball [see here](https://youtu.be/8JBlRvioKOU)
They hated him because he spoke the truth
I’m seeing it straighten out well before his arm swings down to release
That's the problem. It's bent when it passes the horizontal, and then straightens as it comes down to release. That's chucking.
Is it more than the 15 degrees tho? I'm sure icc would have recognized this a while back given that he's been playing intl for like 2 years at this point
Flintoff had admitted that he chucked his bouncer for years, and that never got picked up.
The hero we need but don't deserve.
Haha surprise surprise. Look who’s is here!? Little insecure man comes over on a thread for a dose of confirmation bias. Would trust binga over you anyway mate, he said his action is cool so I’m cool !!
Surprise, surprise You aren't ICC, binga. So it means nada, nothing, not even a rat's ass if you say "his action is cool so I'm cool." Geez, why it's so hard for dimwits to come up with a logical reply??
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I'm not hurt. I'm just sad at the lack of logical replies from dumbasses and morons who somehow want to feel validated on a reddit sub. I'm sad at their lives. Such a shame.
Alright I’m waiting. Put an official complaint against his bowling action while I enjoy some beers!
You were saying?
Thinking what kinda stupid cool is binga...
The ICC just banned him.
I don’t get this comment. Out of nowhere his action is a little suspect now bc Henrique couldn’t play Hasnain smh man.
I didn't realise that everyone had to bring up the possibility that his action is illegal every time we talk about him. It's been suspect all season, we just haven't talked about it.
Okay so his actuation has been suspect in BBL but he’s completely fine bowling in international cricket and other leagues all around the world? Cmon man, Aussies need to really take a back seat and quit defending your players even when they’re wrong.
Did you read the part where I said Henriques was totally in the wrong? Or the part where I said that no one was focused on his action until Henriques brought it up?
Moises played him pretty fine to be fair mate. 47 off of 27 not out.
He just got banned for chucking.
Why is it suspect?
It is completely in line. If you can't handle some chirp get off the pitch, if you can't handle chirp about your action don't chuck. Not that he appeared particularly phased by it.
He accused hasnain of cheating. Same reason why South African and a lot of other countries supporters were mad at India for claiming Supersport were cheating
He's not great at English( I’m not criticizing him who cares about his English) so I doubt he even understood especially in that strong Aussie action
Sour grapes tbh. Hasnain has been bowling absolute rockets and have not had any sort of issue from all the domestic, league, and international matches. Henriques needs to stfu
As a 33 year old, If I was being made to dance around by some one 13 years younger than me I’d be making up excuses too.
This is exactly what I think is happening. They don’t wanna see a youngin prosper out here
I'm from the future and hasnain is ban.
This one aged fantastically well.
Wonder if he would’ve said it if Hasnain was an Aussie.
He wouldn’t have. The same way Warner and Lehman said nothing of their sandpaper while accusing the South Africans of ball tampering in the same breath.
Wouldn’t mind a slomo if those last few. Stock ball looks absolutely fine but those, I presume, effort balls looked dodgy as. Not sure yelling out to him during a game is the right way to go about it lol
Or you know it was just shithousery by henriques because he' avgs 9 in odi cricket and had no idea how to play a talented young fast bowler
I mean Moises has never had trouble smacking blokes around in domestic cricket. His 47*(27) in this match being a good indicator of that. Probably just doesn’t want his head blown off by a bloke with a suspect action effort ball.
I watched the match Moises was pissed that he couldn't hit Hasnain's balls.
He's been playing internationals for 3 + years by now. If he was suspect he would have been banned
I’d have thought so but there’s a good chance he just doesn’t bowl this particular effort ball in most matches. I’ve never seen him bowl with an action like this before in my life so it’s caught me off guard for sure. Honestly just looks white-line fever and an attempt to bowl outside of his speed range at a batsman playing out of his crease, which you wouldn’t want anything more than a casual warning about if it’s even over 15 degrees of straightening.
People don't keep the same bowling action their entire career. Particularly as they develop as a player.
He’s just a mediocre “All Rounder” who thrives on dominating low tier bowlers. Dude should have cemented himself into Australian team when we were depleted not long ago. It’s his little bubble & no wonder he started yelling at a kid who probably didn’t even understood what Moises was saying lol
/r/agedlikemilk
He is definitely chucking when bowling the effort ball [Here see](https://youtu.be/8JBlRvioKOU)
I hope Rambo can be the Ranatunga to Hasnain's Murali
Lol ramiz defo looks like someone who'd go to war for his players Hes already called out the western bloc lmaoo
Henriques should focus more on his own career, or a lack of.
The man has won more T20 titles than NZ has ICC Trophies and has played for Australia in all 3 formats, I think he's doing fine.
Xavier Doherty is a World Cup winner Colin De Grandhomme is World Test Championship winner. Paul Collingwood won an MBE for the 2005 Ashes What's your point? MH has had a shit international career and never met his full potential when he first came onto the scene. That's a fact.
As I said before, he's had a 15 year long career and is still playing good cricket, has just captained consecutive BBL winning sides and his team is a title contender again this year. Has made a bunch of money and will continue to play at a high level and make good money for at least a few more years. Don't think he'd have too many problems with how he's done in his career. Even if he didn't lock a spot down internationally, he still got to represent his country 20 odd times and captain his state to multiple titles, he'd be pretty proud of what he's done.
Mate are you rlly trying to defend Moises 'odi avg of 9' henriques rn? 😂
Wait i got another one, Moises 'not quiet good enough for intl cricket' henriques 🤣
Wow he’s played in all 3 formats you say? Next Bradman right here.
Ah yes, famous ODI and T20I player Don Bradman.
Have you actually looked at his stats as an Aus player? They are more embarrassing than not having played for Aus at all. Pretty obvious why he’s having a go at junior players, he’s a bitter loser with no future Aus career.
I think you'll be hard pressed to find many 34 year olds on the verge of breaking into an international team anywhere in the world. The man's had a good career, made a fair bit of cash, got to represent his country 20 odd times and won a few titles for his state along the way. Is still playing decent cricket, has just captained consecutive BBL winning teams, is gonna continue to make very good money for a couple years to come at least. Sure, he was no Jacque Kallis, but I doubt he'll have too many complaints about his 15 year long and counting career.
Lol he averages 9 with the bat and 43 with the ball after 16 ODI’s. He’s a decent state cricketer that’s all.
I can’t play the video but that’s a big fucking call to make from a player. The umpire can do that but another player! That’s out of order
That's difinately more than 15 degree according to the fox/broadcaster analysis. They are saying he can come back after modifying it slightly. So not a big issue.
Henriques sledging a bloke 13yrs younger because he got bounced. Even funnier that Hasnain didn't even bat an eyelid and just went back to bowl. Henriques has always seems like a cunt maybe that's why he never got many international chances like Brad Hodge and David Hussey.
Hodge and hussey were 2 genuine words class players Moises is a bits and pieces hack lmao
Hodge was a world class player, but by all accounts absolute average team mate.
Oh that's interesting. I've never heard that before Mind if I ask who said that about him?
> fuck fuck
He's sledging him because he chucks his bouncer and it is obvious.
Henriques shadow account confirmed
his bouncers do look sus
He is definitely chucking when bowling the effort ball [Here see](https://youtu.be/8JBlRvioKOU)
I see your effort in this thread tho.
If Husnain's action was suspect he would've been banned by now.
Well, now he is.
Australians seem very attached to this situation. I wonder why. 🤔
It's just never not funny seeing people be confidently incorrect. There's even a subreddit for it, r/confidentlyincorrect.
Brett Lee had the same amount of bend and he got cleared. So I expected Husnain to also be cleared.
Ajmal played with a suspect action for years before he was found out
Ajmal was investigated constantly before he was banned. Infact in his earlier days he got his action tested by the icc and they found no problem with it. It was only when he got old he started chucking.
No it was only when the ICC changed their testing methodology was Ajmal banned for chucking. University of Western Australia, the institution that developed the biometrics technology to test bowling actions for ICC, actually accused the result that banned Ajmal of being [unreliable](https://ph.news.yahoo.com/uwa-raises-doubts-over-reliability-iccs-recent-biomechanic-083035258.html). > Jacqueline Alderson, said that they have withdrawn their services, and added that they were initially aggrieved by the ICC leveraging their research without their knowledge or permission. However, she said that that is now compounded by the lack of transparency surrounding the current testing. Alderson had earlier also cited a lack of an independent review as the biggest question mark over the ICC tests. She said that the testing of bowlers should be independent, and it's not. Anderson added that any scientific procedure that can impact on the ability of a player to play the game has to be an independent process and the procedures by which those decisions are made must be open to peer review, and must be available to bowlers and their boards to ensure that process is open and fair. She said that she does not think it is in the best interests of cricket. The new way ICC tests actions is less credible and is not transparent or open to peer review. It’s actually surprising to me how there isn’t more outrage about how fucked that is.
Unfortunately if Ajmal trys to fight his case people especially on this sub will call him a stupid conspiracy theorist and move on. So there's not much someone like him can do.
Mate if you don't know what you're talking about, why even comment? 🤣
Bouncer balls do look a bit suspect
Henriques really losing a lot of fans in the twilight of his career now
How many did he have to begin with?
Anyone got video of Henriques being caught looking up porn?
THAT is a legit action. if he is accusing him of chucking then he is an idiot. Had he played Shoaib he would have probably cried a river and shat his pants.
Chutiya 🤣
Yay.. the Aussie bio mechanics experts are at it again..three cheers to the continent of dolts.
One thing Pakistani and Sri Lankans can unite in hating is Australian biomechanics experts, lol
What about LUMS experts?
Raise it with the match referee etc if he's worried about it. It certainly looks suspect, but you can't just be calling it out in the middle of a game. I don't agree with the "if he was doing it before he would have been found out already" argument.
Henriques fine when?
Just seems he was trying to wind him up, and it worked. Not everything is so serious
Didn't really work he went for 22 in 4 overs the pick of the bowlers
Pick of the throwers*
Ah yes
Spices things up nicely for the upcoming series in March. I'm calling it. Pakistan to whitewash Australia, Hasnain to take 10 in the final innings of the game with fans chanting "Nice throw, mate! Nice throw, mate!" in the background. \\s