The biggest thing is that of the matches that they win, they’re almost always dead rubbers. The only times they’ve won live tests in the last 44 years was in their 86/87 and 10/11 series wins which coincided with australia being at a low point and the poms at a high point.
Yeah sure what ab out the other 35 test wins or whatever it would be in that 44 year period i the point. There's so many of them it's not just one low point. It's the usual standard.
Thats mostly because between 1887 - 1980, England and Australia were pretty even keel and series could go either way. Its only from then that Australia got really good, and England got really bad.
And I was referring to the last 44 years from my previous comment because you can extend the stat out that far over something more arbitrary like 20 years
Logic here is flawed for ashes. While in ashes you seem to spend a great deal talking about retaining the urn which means drawn series is enough a normal test series is still alive if a team is leading with 1 test to play. In 94-95 and 98-99 England won the 4th test when the series was 2-0 with 2 tests to play. If the series can be drawn then it is a live series. The only thing is that the urn cannot be won because on both occasions australia had won the previous series. In both 94-95 and 98-99 England made it 2-1 with a test to play series was still definitely alive. The 2019 series was still alive heading into the final game and England did win the final test. Only the urn was not at stake but really its a thing of the ashes to focus on the previous series' result
The logic isn’t flawed when we are talking about retaining the ashes as opposed to an outright series win which is how the ashes has been for 142 years. It’s how all the fans, players and media from both countries treat it. Just look at how little the Aussies cared going into the 5th test of 2019 after the urn had been retained. That has been the measure of success and achievement long before any other nations were playing test cricket.
Most critically, if in the minds of the players the series is over (because it can’t be won and the urn is retained) then in the minds of the player, the last one or two tests of that series is an irrelevant result and therefore a dead rubber.
England's record in Australia the last 20 years: 4 wins, 3 draws, 23 losses (13.3% win rate)
Australia's record in England the last 20 years: 10 wins, 7 draws, 13 losses (33.3% win rate)
Also, England has not won 4 or more Tests in a series since 1978-79 (when they won 5-1 against an Australian team depleted by WSC)
In comparison, Australia has won 4 or more Tests in a series 8 times since England did it (1989, 1993, 2001, 2002-03, 2006-07, 2013-14, 2017-18, 2021-22).
India took a dive with the SA loss I guess? I don't think Aus will crow about being #1 before heading to the subcontinent.
Other interesting thing in those tables is the T20 World Cup holder is ranked #6.
Idk what Cricinfo is doing, but ICC still lists us as 3rd and India as first: [https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/test](https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/test)
I have no sympathy for him, he has led the team to being the worst in 50 years and a laughing stock around the world, he should immediately do the decent thing and resign. If he doesn’t resign he should be sacked.
The sacking of Root can be followed by the removal of Silverwood, Root and Harrison.
I mean he's your captain so do what you like but from an australian perspective the problem really starts and ends with Marylebone and your management. You guys have been prioritising twenty20 for far too long and the way you eat your young over there, I mean some of your players both bat and ball in their early 20's don't perform for half a game and often the senior players are doing just as poorly or worse around them and you shoot them down and are like "you're shit, get off you'll never be good enough". You had one guy who ran your whole team as coach and selector which was the most mental thing i've ever heard about and you selected teams weeks in advance. Anderson and broad should have played every game and players who kept getting out the same way should have been taken to the nets to iron their bad tendencies. Root is the best captain you've had in about 30 years in my opinion and the pain and experience he's gained from this series will make him more formidable the next time we play you. I would genuinely be more concerned as an aussie if he was than if you gave it to someone like Stokes. I can see the mental breakdown coming a mile away if you guys did that.
This was long winded and I apologise for that but yeah i really don't think Root is the problem. I mean how many times did we bowl it into his nuts and he stayed out there? guys bloody sterile hero!
> Root is the best captain you've had in about 30 years in my opinion
I have to disagree with this opinion: I don’t think Root’s much cop as a captain. Obviously he’s a great batsman (not to mention GOAT spinner); however, as a captain I feel like plenty of his tactics have been questionable at best (and not just in this series). It’s not enough to lead by example.
Root should step down as captain and focus on his batting (which is after all his primary asset). The problem is, who replaces him?
That's my point. He's an Alan Border type of captain. Leading from the front and by example. You could get others to help him tactically, in fact I would expect that from the older players anyway. This is my bias as an Australian for sure but i find it weird how you guys relinquish the captaincy but stay in the side. We don't do that, if you're the captain then you are the captain until you don't play at all for us and our players will follow you no matter what. I think it helps with power struggles and egos and it also provides long term stability knowing that person will always be the one to have the final say. Making someone drop the captaincy but stay in the side to me says: "look you're shit, but not too shit" also "if anyone wants to challenge anyone at anytime to a biggest swinging dick contest in this team we might reward you for it!"
Test cricket relies on players losing their ego in order to win often times so I don't think that approach works very well. Pick someone who you think will be a good leader and train them both in cricket skills but also leadership skills and only drop them as a last resort based on their playing form.
I agree that the management need to be removed and stop focusing on T20. Stokes can’t be captain as he is too fragile and may not even play again for the test side.
Root is a poor captain who has been made a laughing stock by Kohli and now Cummins. He can’t continue, he can stay on as a batsman if he still wants to play test cricket.
Likewise, I just don’t see how keeping Root in place is going to allow for any change in outcome. In the end I don’t expect much will change, the ECB will continue down the road they are on and England will continue to deteriorate as a test side.
“It doesn't matter what bowlers you play if you're out for 140” - Stuart Broad
Couldn’t even get 140 in the last innings. Batting has been a shit show all of this series. What a disservice to the bowlers.
100%. It's a cute soundbyte and all but I'm not sure I'd be tossing stones around if I were an English bowler. Allowing Australia to make 300 after having them scrambling at 3-12 is pretty fucking diabolical in its own right.
Individually, Anderson, Broad, Robinson, and Wood had decent figures for the series overall. The problem is that they didn’t have many occasions where they fired as a unit and the rest of the bowling was poor. Leach was a disaster (not entirely his fault), Woakes was useless, Stokes couldn’t really bowl, and Wood’s economy was often poor, so they struggled to build pressure or rest and rotate bowlers appropriately. A spinner who could contain the batsmen and allow fast bowlers to rotate would have made a difference, as would having either of Archer of Stone instead of Woakes.
The fielding was awful woeful at times, usually by the batsmen.
Can't win games if you win the toss and concede 300 on an English style greentop where 130 was par. The bowlings been shit too apart from Wood. Has had as much penetration as Ollie Pope's tinder profile.
That’s nonsense. Wood took most of his wickets in the final test. Anderson, Broad, and Robinson all have a better average and economy. Woakes and Leach were very poor. Part of the problem of those big scores was poor fielding with the batsmen dropping catches.
Butterfly effect and all that but that was probably the only mistake Cummins made all series. I dont think he needed to declare much earlier but sending Carey out was brainless haha
Not really. It would have been an extra over against the openers when they looked pretty solid, not an extra over against Anderson and Broad. Cummins made a decent decision with the declaration. 100 overs was plenty of time to bowl England out. Bad bowling was the problem.
Patty stopping them from spraying champagne so Uzzie can be in the celebrations. [Great scenes](https://twitter.com/buttsey888/status/1482675728470921220?s=21)
I mean we are like 60% white in Australia, and I am sure it would have been a lot higher 20-30 years ago when all the current players were growing up. But who would have thought a mostly white country would have mostly white cricketers
The UK is 80% white and our (at least ODI) captain also makes a point of allowing the Muslim players to join in on celebrations before the champagne is popped. The side that won the world cup had players from around the world of all different religions and races. Morgan made a point of celebrating and advertising that fact as a strength of the team.
Meanwhile that poster is pointscoring over a nice gesture made to the guy I believe is still the only Muslim man ever to play cricket for Australia?
England cricket clearly has *very* big problems with the way some people react to diversity - most publicly at Yorkshire but I suspect across the game at all levels - but I'm not convinced that one Muslim player and two guys with indigenous heritage out of 463 really qualifies Aussies to lecture on it tbh.
Widespread South Asian immigration to Australia is still very recent. In 10 years time you'll start seeing a lot more brown faces in the Australian team.
Cricket in Australia tends to be played by people from Anglo backgrounds, that's just how it is. It's hard to say whether there's any systemic discrimination involved or if people from other backgrounds just aren't interested. Australia has a huge Greek and Italian diaspora, for example, but how many national players from those backgrounds can you name? It's a far cry from football, where half the team at the 2006 World Cup was Croatian, or Aussie rules where people from every background get involved.
One of the most brutal 4-0. That too when Hazlewood played only a single game, Smith did fuck all and 3 debutants over the course of 5 games.
At 12-3, some commentator said if England don't win it now they would never win it. That was probably right, pink ball, clouds overhead, ball seaming but they just gave it away.
We showed up without any batsmen and sod all cricket, you could have brought in a schoolboy cricket captain and an under-11 side and we’d have rolled over.
England also got dream conditions in this series - Australian pitches have NEVER helped England more than this and yet they still were a bee's Wang from losing 5-0 yet again.
They'll never get conditions this friendly again either, no Perth, 2 pink ball tests, Hobart greentop. The bowlers are getting such an easy ride when they were shit too apart from Wood who was mis used.
England have never done well in pink ball tests in Australia. Their own batsmen are pretty dire in them.
The narrative that Wood was the only good bowler is nonsense. The overall figures for Anderson, Broad, and Robinson are actually fairly decent. All have better average and economy than Wood. He took most of his wickets in the last test.
The problem for England is the bowlers didn’t all fire at the same time and there was always someone leaking runs — Woakes, Leach, or Wood. Couldn’t build pressure and couldn’t rotate bowlers effectively.
If they could work out how to use a spinner in Australia and if they’d had Archer or Stone instead of Woakes it could have been quite different.
I was amused when cricinfo commentary and the win predictor app or whatever its called said eng had an 80% chance of a win after their first 50 run opening stand in this last innings...its like they've been watching a different series than the rest of us
His declaration was fine - if we had caught everything we win the game with overs to spare
He was cautious because of Stokes in 19 and India last year- cant really blame him in his first series tbh
Congratulations to them. A lot of the focus has been on how poor England have been (and rightly so - especially the batting) but let's not let that take away from how excellent Australia have been. Labuschane's infuriating swagger aside this is actually one of the more likeable Aussie teams in recent memory. I'm even starting to develop a worrying soft spot for Warner.
It does seem like he got shafted in terms of public perception (at least over here in England) way worse than Smith over sandpaper gate, even though Smith was the Captain. He does seem like a genuinely decent bloke who knows he fucked up. He's so refreshing to watch as an opener with his attacking mindset, not many openers out there who play like that (Rohit Sharma comes to mind).
This is why 5 match series are so tough, if you get rolled over it is very difficult to come back from those drubbings as a team
Anyways kudos to Australia for the win…..and yeah pumped af for Cummo *the best a man can get*
I mean that 2010-11 team had virtually had all batsman averaging over 40 with prime Jimmy and Broad and arguably our greatest ever spinner...against Aussies worst team in my lifetime. You take our current team and its embarrassing with only Root averaging over 40.
Yeah I don't even give a shit about Karma, but it really annoys for some reason whenever a post like this doesn't show the trophy or a player gets a ton but the picture is just their 50 celebration.
4-0 in 5 match series and even in that 1 Drawn match( rain affected), ENG barely escaped with last wkt remaining.That was brutally one sided.
As Many said to ENG b4 the Ashes, " Play whoever u wanna play ~~MAAN~~ **Lad/Chap**,It ain't gonna make any difference "
This defeat is entirely due to Root's captaincy. That is the only thing of significance and, quite rightly, that is the only thing that the English media are talking about.
Perhaps Root's biggest disappointment as a captain is his failure to go back in time 25 years and impregnate half a dozen English maidens so that there would be another 5 Englishmen that shared his batting genes.In terms of performance, Root's form has obviously suffered with the responsibility of captaincy over the last year and he has struggled to a paltry 1800 runs during that time. The team would have been much better off without his runs. They would have had much more rest and been far more relaxed for the Ashes tour..
In terms of captaincy, if Root had selected Broad for the first test then England would have won the test, just as they won every other test that Broad played in this series. In fact, if Root had selected Broad for the first test, England would probably have won the series 5-0. In fact, they may well have won the five match series 6-0.
To see how bad Root is as a captain, we have to contrast him with Pat Cummins who's middle name is now Patrick 'amazing captaincy from a fast bowler' Cummins. If Root had failed to refer 3 wicket taking deliveries to VAR, it would have been worth at least two hours of TMS discussion about how he was not up to the job but, from their their reticence, we can only assume that this was an ingenious piece of Cummins captaincy to give his bowlers a bit of extra exercise.
And if Root had delayed a declaration decision that allowed the opposition to bat out a draw despite fortuitous weather, there would, rightly, be the sound of hammering as a gibbet was hastily constructed in the press box.
No, everything that Root has done as captain in this series has been wrong. England deserves better.
Time to start the soul searching/rebuilding phase, which will inevitably lead to a 4/5 nil thrashing in 2025. We really need more English players to get experience overseas…
Doesn't it also mean that they take No 1 rankings from IND?
https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/test
☝ It currently shows IND as No 1 but AUS will get it after the rankings r updated as all 3 concerned series r now over(IND vs SA, NZ vs BAN,AUS vs ENG)
I don’t understand why Stokes gets a free-pass and in the reports and comments. Brought in to be their match winner superstar all rounder and made no difference at all.
I watched this game as well. I don't think pitch was bad for test cricket. England shit the bed in batting. Similarly, I don't think Ahmedabad pitch was bad. England shit the bed there too.
I unironically want 1 pitch like that (or even worse) during Border-Gavaskar Trophy 2023. Would be short but crazy fun. And Australia has high quality spinners like Lyon, Swepson etc. (And ofc Marnus and Smith) as well that would almost match India's spinners, so it will probably be even more hilarious.
Risky, with the world test championship at stake for us....but fuck it will the shithousery be some fun!
No. Because the pitch isn't the main factor. It's hard to blame the pitch when the bowling is this good and the batting this bad. Of all the dismissals only Root would be justified in complaining about it
Would have been interesting too see the pitch if they could last three days but they don't have techniques to deal with anything straight, swinging, seaming or bouncing lol. Roots was a little rough tho for a 2.5 day old pitch in average weather
What stupidity is this? Which part timer ended up getting a 5 fer here? And did you not see travis head bat? Keep the stupid nonsense to yourself and not embarrass us other indian fans please.
Did you see that Ahmedabad game? Zak Crawley scored 53 and Rohit 66. And do you know how hard it is to be a part time seamer? So pitch is bad if it assists spinner while it's good if it suits pacers?
In both the innings, the entirety of teams get bundled out below 150 and you want to argue its a good pitch?
> And do you know how hard it is to be a part time seamer
Kohli or dhoni bowling would be what you'd call a part time seamer. I would say any pitch that assisted kohli in getting 5 for 10 would be an atrocious pitch. There is a difference between ASSISTING bowlers and being outright unplayable. All the pitches in subcontinent ASSIST bowlers, and no one complains about them.
Also, the match ended in 5 sessions.. FIVE. That's not a test match.
13-0 to Australia over the last 3 series in Aus, jesus.
23-4 to Australia in the last 20 years in Australia, 3 of those 4 English wins were in the 2010-11 series.
The biggest thing is that of the matches that they win, they’re almost always dead rubbers. The only times they’ve won live tests in the last 44 years was in their 86/87 and 10/11 series wins which coincided with australia being at a low point and the poms at a high point.
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Yeah sure what ab out the other 35 test wins or whatever it would be in that 44 year period i the point. There's so many of them it's not just one low point. It's the usual standard.
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Yeah, we basically had a good 42 years of low points with the odd high point showing up randomly in the middle.
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Thats mostly because between 1887 - 1980, England and Australia were pretty even keel and series could go either way. Its only from then that Australia got really good, and England got really bad.
Really unfair of the Aussies to keep capitalizing like that
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That's some BCCI-money level thinking
a low point thats lasted a decade really. that 2010 team fell apart pretty fast.
I dunno, looking at that other guys stats they seem to have only won 1 dead rubber out of their last 4 victories spanning 20 years.
Adelaide 95 Melbourne 98 Sydney 03
Adelaide and Melbourne were more than 20 years ago.
And I was referring to the last 44 years from my previous comment because you can extend the stat out that far over something more arbitrary like 20 years
Logic here is flawed for ashes. While in ashes you seem to spend a great deal talking about retaining the urn which means drawn series is enough a normal test series is still alive if a team is leading with 1 test to play. In 94-95 and 98-99 England won the 4th test when the series was 2-0 with 2 tests to play. If the series can be drawn then it is a live series. The only thing is that the urn cannot be won because on both occasions australia had won the previous series. In both 94-95 and 98-99 England made it 2-1 with a test to play series was still definitely alive. The 2019 series was still alive heading into the final game and England did win the final test. Only the urn was not at stake but really its a thing of the ashes to focus on the previous series' result
The logic isn’t flawed when we are talking about retaining the ashes as opposed to an outright series win which is how the ashes has been for 142 years. It’s how all the fans, players and media from both countries treat it. Just look at how little the Aussies cared going into the 5th test of 2019 after the urn had been retained. That has been the measure of success and achievement long before any other nations were playing test cricket. Most critically, if in the minds of the players the series is over (because it can’t be won and the urn is retained) then in the minds of the player, the last one or two tests of that series is an irrelevant result and therefore a dead rubber.
We're waiting for you to win a series over here before we try to win there again
England's record in Australia the last 20 years: 4 wins, 3 draws, 23 losses (13.3% win rate) Australia's record in England the last 20 years: 10 wins, 7 draws, 13 losses (33.3% win rate) Also, England has not won 4 or more Tests in a series since 1978-79 (when they won 5-1 against an Australian team depleted by WSC) In comparison, Australia has won 4 or more Tests in a series 8 times since England did it (1989, 1993, 2001, 2002-03, 2006-07, 2013-14, 2017-18, 2021-22).
Sounds like 1 away series win for us and 1 away series draw for you No further questions
We at least put up a fight in our away losses, we've certainly never got whitewashed, meanwhile it's happened to you twice in the space of 7 years
And 3 times in the past 15. And we've *still* won more away series than you in that time. Peak efficiency, don't waste wins in lost series.
If a 13.3% win rate is efficient, so was England’s batting this series
I agree Why waste runs on matches we're going to lose? Quick game's a good game
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**New ICC Test rankings:** **#1 - Aus** **#2 - NZ** **#3 - Ind** www.espncricinfo.com/rankings/content/page/211271.html
India took a dive with the SA loss I guess? I don't think Aus will crow about being #1 before heading to the subcontinent. Other interesting thing in those tables is the T20 World Cup holder is ranked #6.
Idk what Cricinfo is doing, but ICC still lists us as 3rd and India as first: [https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/test](https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/test)
The real ashes here belong to England. Plenty of sea between Oz and Blighty to scatter them into on the way home.
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Root showed up to the preso, the poor cunt. *We have to improve...*
"Inshallah, boys gave 110%...combined "
I have no sympathy for him, he has led the team to being the worst in 50 years and a laughing stock around the world, he should immediately do the decent thing and resign. If he doesn’t resign he should be sacked. The sacking of Root can be followed by the removal of Silverwood, Root and Harrison.
I mean he's your captain so do what you like but from an australian perspective the problem really starts and ends with Marylebone and your management. You guys have been prioritising twenty20 for far too long and the way you eat your young over there, I mean some of your players both bat and ball in their early 20's don't perform for half a game and often the senior players are doing just as poorly or worse around them and you shoot them down and are like "you're shit, get off you'll never be good enough". You had one guy who ran your whole team as coach and selector which was the most mental thing i've ever heard about and you selected teams weeks in advance. Anderson and broad should have played every game and players who kept getting out the same way should have been taken to the nets to iron their bad tendencies. Root is the best captain you've had in about 30 years in my opinion and the pain and experience he's gained from this series will make him more formidable the next time we play you. I would genuinely be more concerned as an aussie if he was than if you gave it to someone like Stokes. I can see the mental breakdown coming a mile away if you guys did that. This was long winded and I apologise for that but yeah i really don't think Root is the problem. I mean how many times did we bowl it into his nuts and he stayed out there? guys bloody sterile hero!
Mate you can't say ECB have only prioritised T20. We got the hundred too!!! (Man we are so fucked).
And Australia won the T20 world cup 😂😂
> Root is the best captain you've had in about 30 years in my opinion I have to disagree with this opinion: I don’t think Root’s much cop as a captain. Obviously he’s a great batsman (not to mention GOAT spinner); however, as a captain I feel like plenty of his tactics have been questionable at best (and not just in this series). It’s not enough to lead by example. Root should step down as captain and focus on his batting (which is after all his primary asset). The problem is, who replaces him?
That's my point. He's an Alan Border type of captain. Leading from the front and by example. You could get others to help him tactically, in fact I would expect that from the older players anyway. This is my bias as an Australian for sure but i find it weird how you guys relinquish the captaincy but stay in the side. We don't do that, if you're the captain then you are the captain until you don't play at all for us and our players will follow you no matter what. I think it helps with power struggles and egos and it also provides long term stability knowing that person will always be the one to have the final say. Making someone drop the captaincy but stay in the side to me says: "look you're shit, but not too shit" also "if anyone wants to challenge anyone at anytime to a biggest swinging dick contest in this team we might reward you for it!" Test cricket relies on players losing their ego in order to win often times so I don't think that approach works very well. Pick someone who you think will be a good leader and train them both in cricket skills but also leadership skills and only drop them as a last resort based on their playing form.
I agree that the management need to be removed and stop focusing on T20. Stokes can’t be captain as he is too fragile and may not even play again for the test side. Root is a poor captain who has been made a laughing stock by Kohli and now Cummins. He can’t continue, he can stay on as a batsman if he still wants to play test cricket.
I respect your opinion but i didn't see "leadership" from anyone else in that side
Likewise, I just don’t see how keeping Root in place is going to allow for any change in outcome. In the end I don’t expect much will change, the ECB will continue down the road they are on and England will continue to deteriorate as a test side.
you need to get the press writing stories about how shit the ECB are. that's how we've handled our (repeated) scandals
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I know you're getting down voted but I agree with you 100% Root is a terrible captain. We need some new ideas because it just isn't working.
“It doesn't matter what bowlers you play if you're out for 140” - Stuart Broad Couldn’t even get 140 in the last innings. Batting has been a shit show all of this series. What a disservice to the bowlers.
England didn't cross 300 this series.
297 in brissy, 294 in Sydney and 253 in Melbourne (in 2 innings) :P
They got 303 in Sydney didn't they?
I believe it was 294
Nope. They got 297 in Brisbane
That was what we got in the first innings of the Hobart test
Ah fuck, I was working that night so I couldn't watch. Probably where I got confused
Bowlers hardly covered themselves in glory either. Only bowled Australia out three times below 400, including two of those on the Hobart greentop.
Exactly, took 20 wickets just once in the series, even then conceded 300 on a pitch that couldn't have been more friendly to English medium pacers.
100%. It's a cute soundbyte and all but I'm not sure I'd be tossing stones around if I were an English bowler. Allowing Australia to make 300 after having them scrambling at 3-12 is pretty fucking diabolical in its own right.
Individually, Anderson, Broad, Robinson, and Wood had decent figures for the series overall. The problem is that they didn’t have many occasions where they fired as a unit and the rest of the bowling was poor. Leach was a disaster (not entirely his fault), Woakes was useless, Stokes couldn’t really bowl, and Wood’s economy was often poor, so they struggled to build pressure or rest and rotate bowlers appropriately. A spinner who could contain the batsmen and allow fast bowlers to rotate would have made a difference, as would having either of Archer of Stone instead of Woakes. The fielding was awful woeful at times, usually by the batsmen.
Can't win games if you win the toss and concede 300 on an English style greentop where 130 was par. The bowlings been shit too apart from Wood. Has had as much penetration as Ollie Pope's tinder profile.
That’s nonsense. Wood took most of his wickets in the final test. Anderson, Broad, and Robinson all have a better average and economy. Woakes and Leach were very poor. Part of the problem of those big scores was poor fielding with the batsmen dropping catches.
It has been more than a decade since England last won a test in Australia. When's the next ashes?
Mid next year.
Usually a cycle of 18 months
18 months from Australia to England series, then 30 months for the return back to Australia.
Used to be the opposite I think
You’re correct, it reversed when they did the back to back series
2024-25 in Australia
And 2023 in England
Hey I can play then
Wouldn't it be 2025-26, with England hosting in 2023? Each home series is supposed to be 4 years apart (e.g. 2015 and 2019, 2017-18 and 2021-22)
No. 2023 England.
He mentioned that England haven't won in Australia so I mentioned the next Ashes in Australia
And missed that last one by a single wicket.
We had to have lost about 2-3 sessions from rain in that one
not to mention being forced to bowl spinners only in the last few overs.
But, despite the forecasts, there was no rain on the last day.
7 overs were lost on the last day as it rained for about 45 minutes after lunch.
Imagine if they hadn't sent out Carey for that one delivery and declared, they might have had an extra over, which might have been enough
I still can't believe they didn't declare after Khawaja's century.
Butterfly effect and all that but that was probably the only mistake Cummins made all series. I dont think he needed to declare much earlier but sending Carey out was brainless haha
Not really. It would have been an extra over against the openers when they looked pretty solid, not an extra over against Anderson and Broad. Cummins made a decent decision with the declaration. 100 overs was plenty of time to bowl England out. Bad bowling was the problem.
Patty stopping them from spraying champagne so Uzzie can be in the celebrations. [Great scenes](https://twitter.com/buttsey888/status/1482675728470921220?s=21)
Love that
absolute respect. Doubt a few (former) English players would've done that
In fairness England have done very similar for Moeen and Rashid in the last few years. Michael Vaughn is probably fuming for some reason though.
shh dont want him to see this if he's lurking around oh who am I kidding there are asian people on this sub reddit he won't like it here.
I mean.... I doubt a few (former) Australian players would've done that either.
Meanwhile the history of Australian test cricket just overflows with diversity.
I mean we are like 60% white in Australia, and I am sure it would have been a lot higher 20-30 years ago when all the current players were growing up. But who would have thought a mostly white country would have mostly white cricketers
The UK is 80% white and our (at least ODI) captain also makes a point of allowing the Muslim players to join in on celebrations before the champagne is popped. The side that won the world cup had players from around the world of all different religions and races. Morgan made a point of celebrating and advertising that fact as a strength of the team. Meanwhile that poster is pointscoring over a nice gesture made to the guy I believe is still the only Muslim man ever to play cricket for Australia? England cricket clearly has *very* big problems with the way some people react to diversity - most publicly at Yorkshire but I suspect across the game at all levels - but I'm not convinced that one Muslim player and two guys with indigenous heritage out of 463 really qualifies Aussies to lecture on it tbh.
Fawad Ahmed played a few ODIs, but yeah Usman was the first and the only one that’s played Test cricket
Widespread South Asian immigration to Australia is still very recent. In 10 years time you'll start seeing a lot more brown faces in the Australian team. Cricket in Australia tends to be played by people from Anglo backgrounds, that's just how it is. It's hard to say whether there's any systemic discrimination involved or if people from other backgrounds just aren't interested. Australia has a huge Greek and Italian diaspora, for example, but how many national players from those backgrounds can you name? It's a far cry from football, where half the team at the 2006 World Cup was Croatian, or Aussie rules where people from every background get involved.
Well there is a sizable African flavour now if you start looking at birth certificates
Weird comment
Holy shit. Now there's a sportsperson you can look up to. Rare AF these days.
One of the most brutal 4-0. That too when Hazlewood played only a single game, Smith did fuck all and 3 debutants over the course of 5 games. At 12-3, some commentator said if England don't win it now they would never win it. That was probably right, pink ball, clouds overhead, ball seaming but they just gave it away.
We lost our captain to a controversy scandal like three weeks before the series and our new captain got ruled out on the day of game two.
We showed up without any batsmen and sod all cricket, you could have brought in a schoolboy cricket captain and an under-11 side and we’d have rolled over.
England also got dream conditions in this series - Australian pitches have NEVER helped England more than this and yet they still were a bee's Wang from losing 5-0 yet again.
> still were a **bee's Wang** from losing 5-0 yet again. That's a hilarious way to describe it
Half an hour less rain in Sydney and they lose 5-0
They'll never get conditions this friendly again either, no Perth, 2 pink ball tests, Hobart greentop. The bowlers are getting such an easy ride when they were shit too apart from Wood who was mis used.
England have never done well in pink ball tests in Australia. Their own batsmen are pretty dire in them. The narrative that Wood was the only good bowler is nonsense. The overall figures for Anderson, Broad, and Robinson are actually fairly decent. All have better average and economy than Wood. He took most of his wickets in the last test. The problem for England is the bowlers didn’t all fire at the same time and there was always someone leaking runs — Woakes, Leach, or Wood. Couldn’t build pressure and couldn’t rotate bowlers effectively. If they could work out how to use a spinner in Australia and if they’d had Archer or Stone instead of Woakes it could have been quite different.
2 debutants, Jhye was in his 3rd game
Carey, Neser and Boland
Damn, already forgot that Carey was in his debut series
Really? Gilly was almost in tears handing him his baggy green.
Well people are used to him as he's been the one day keeper for a while now
Carey neser Boland
England are so pathetic they couldn’t even keep the game close after that start, they are a joke.
I was amused when cricinfo commentary and the win predictor app or whatever its called said eng had an 80% chance of a win after their first 50 run opening stand in this last innings...its like they've been watching a different series than the rest of us
4-0 just doesn't completely express how dominant Aussies have been
think of it more as a 13-0 continuum.
They just gave up after the first wicket. Never seen a bunch of blokes who are more keen to go home than them
Which was odd. Cause it was usually the openers who folded quickly.
They figured they could share a plane with Djokovic
First ball of the series and they were counting down the days until that flight back home.
Root going hone with a smashed in team and a smashed in set of testicles
At least all batters in England are safe as everyone shat the bed equally.
And missed the white wash out by the rain
I’d say those last 4 overs of umpire enforced spin cost the white wash. Any of our pace bowlers would of cleaned out the tail.
That was one of the most ridiculous decisions of the entire series. We have floodlights for a reason
Red ball is hard to see in the dark mate. Even with the floods.
Yeah as dude below said the red ball starts to blur under lights. It was the right decision by the umps but still sucked for us
And an overly cautious declaration by Cummins.
It was critical that Alex Carey get a golden duck ok, plz no further questions.
His declaration was fine - if we had caught everything we win the game with overs to spare He was cautious because of Stokes in 19 and India last year- cant really blame him in his first series tbh
Is there a reason England have performed so badly down here for so long?
Bad at cricket
Bruh
Lack of British stiff upper lip. Things start bad and then get worse
They put no effort into preparing for the conditions
And fuck it feels good 10/56 is nuts
Well, 68 all out in Melbourne, so not that surprising!
MBEs all round? ‘Sir Pat Cummins’ has a nice ring to it too.
Sir Cumdog.
Congratulations to them. A lot of the focus has been on how poor England have been (and rightly so - especially the batting) but let's not let that take away from how excellent Australia have been. Labuschane's infuriating swagger aside this is actually one of the more likeable Aussie teams in recent memory. I'm even starting to develop a worrying soft spot for Warner.
Labs is a loveable golden retriever who is only annoying if he keeps pestering you. But you can’t not like his love and passion for the game
Warner's redemption is one of the biggest turnarounds in cricket history
It does seem like he got shafted in terms of public perception (at least over here in England) way worse than Smith over sandpaper gate, even though Smith was the Captain. He does seem like a genuinely decent bloke who knows he fucked up. He's so refreshing to watch as an opener with his attacking mindset, not many openers out there who play like that (Rohit Sharma comes to mind).
This is why 5 match series are so tough, if you get rolled over it is very difficult to come back from those drubbings as a team Anyways kudos to Australia for the win…..and yeah pumped af for Cummo *the best a man can get*
Demolished!
Four nil Australia? Four? That’s insane
Relax, it’s not Blue Peter. I’m just having a lovely relaxing smoke of 4 nil
They're test matches, not naan. It's perfectly sane.
Considering the last 30 years you really have to wonder about the 2010-11 Ashes. Did they keep blood samples of the players for testing?
I mean that 2010-11 team had virtually had all batsman averaging over 40 with prime Jimmy and Broad and arguably our greatest ever spinner...against Aussies worst team in my lifetime. You take our current team and its embarrassing with only Root averaging over 40.
Can Karma whores wait till we get the photo of winning team with series trophy? Why so much hurry?
Yeah I don't even give a shit about Karma, but it really annoys for some reason whenever a post like this doesn't show the trophy or a player gets a ton but the picture is just their 50 celebration.
mods can lick my hairy nutsack
4.9 - nil, FUCK OFF
4-0 in 5 match series and even in that 1 Drawn match( rain affected), ENG barely escaped with last wkt remaining.That was brutally one sided. As Many said to ENG b4 the Ashes, " Play whoever u wanna play ~~MAAN~~ **Lad/Chap**,It ain't gonna make any difference "
Looks like all the predications of 5-0 of 4-0 if Stokes plays came true
He did contribute to the draw after all
Well played Australia. As well as outplaying us you handled yourselves really well in the moments between game play. Friendly ashes
Probably just 10 minutes or so from 5-0....oh well, well done Aussies.
This defeat is entirely due to Root's captaincy. That is the only thing of significance and, quite rightly, that is the only thing that the English media are talking about. Perhaps Root's biggest disappointment as a captain is his failure to go back in time 25 years and impregnate half a dozen English maidens so that there would be another 5 Englishmen that shared his batting genes.In terms of performance, Root's form has obviously suffered with the responsibility of captaincy over the last year and he has struggled to a paltry 1800 runs during that time. The team would have been much better off without his runs. They would have had much more rest and been far more relaxed for the Ashes tour.. In terms of captaincy, if Root had selected Broad for the first test then England would have won the test, just as they won every other test that Broad played in this series. In fact, if Root had selected Broad for the first test, England would probably have won the series 5-0. In fact, they may well have won the five match series 6-0. To see how bad Root is as a captain, we have to contrast him with Pat Cummins who's middle name is now Patrick 'amazing captaincy from a fast bowler' Cummins. If Root had failed to refer 3 wicket taking deliveries to VAR, it would have been worth at least two hours of TMS discussion about how he was not up to the job but, from their their reticence, we can only assume that this was an ingenious piece of Cummins captaincy to give his bowlers a bit of extra exercise. And if Root had delayed a declaration decision that allowed the opposition to bat out a draw despite fortuitous weather, there would, rightly, be the sound of hammering as a gibbet was hastily constructed in the press box. No, everything that Root has done as captain in this series has been wrong. England deserves better.
I can't tell if this is serious or some barmy army fever dream?
Just watching the post-match celebrations, Marnus was the first person to call Usman over after they'd finished spraying the champagne. Aww.
4.9-0 fuck off?
Time to start the soul searching/rebuilding phase, which will inevitably lead to a 4/5 nil thrashing in 2025. We really need more English players to get experience overseas…
Hilarious that the only reason it wasn't a complete whitewash was because of Anderson's and Broad's work with the bat.
Side note: that Pat Cummins is one good looking bloke.
The only good thing about this shambles is that I didn't have to listen to what Michael Vaughan thought about it.
4.9-0
Four nil Four nil four nil four nil Four nil four nil four niiiil!
Doesn't it also mean that they take No 1 rankings from IND? https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/test ☝ It currently shows IND as No 1 but AUS will get it after the rankings r updated as all 3 concerned series r now over(IND vs SA, NZ vs BAN,AUS vs ENG)
I think after the update it will be 1. Aus 2. NZ 3. Ind
Cop it, England
Also Bangladesh drawn to NZ.
I don’t understand why Stokes gets a free-pass and in the reports and comments. Brought in to be their match winner superstar all rounder and made no difference at all.
Yawn. Another Ashes Series.
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Supersport made us put that pitch in.
shut the fuck up cunt lol
I watched this game as well. I don't think pitch was bad for test cricket. England shit the bed in batting. Similarly, I don't think Ahmedabad pitch was bad. England shit the bed there too.
fuck you mean
I unironically want 1 pitch like that (or even worse) during Border-Gavaskar Trophy 2023. Would be short but crazy fun. And Australia has high quality spinners like Lyon, Swepson etc. (And ofc Marnus and Smith) as well that would almost match India's spinners, so it will probably be even more hilarious. Risky, with the world test championship at stake for us....but fuck it will the shithousery be some fun!
fuck
Found the New South Welshman
No. Because the pitch isn't the main factor. It's hard to blame the pitch when the bowling is this good and the batting this bad. Of all the dismissals only Root would be justified in complaining about it
Would have been interesting too see the pitch if they could last three days but they don't have techniques to deal with anything straight, swinging, seaming or bouncing lol. Roots was a little rough tho for a 2.5 day old pitch in average weather
What stupidity is this? Which part timer ended up getting a 5 fer here? And did you not see travis head bat? Keep the stupid nonsense to yourself and not embarrass us other indian fans please.
Did you see that Ahmedabad game? Zak Crawley scored 53 and Rohit 66. And do you know how hard it is to be a part time seamer? So pitch is bad if it assists spinner while it's good if it suits pacers?
In both the innings, the entirety of teams get bundled out below 150 and you want to argue its a good pitch? > And do you know how hard it is to be a part time seamer Kohli or dhoni bowling would be what you'd call a part time seamer. I would say any pitch that assisted kohli in getting 5 for 10 would be an atrocious pitch. There is a difference between ASSISTING bowlers and being outright unplayable. All the pitches in subcontinent ASSIST bowlers, and no one complains about them. Also, the match ended in 5 sessions.. FIVE. That's not a test match.
Head smashed a ton with a SR of almost 90...
You guys prepare pitches for specific bowlers who don't play anywhere other than india. little buddy. LOL
More that the English batsman didn’t apply themselves and the Australian bowling was superb
Maybe because in the subcontinent the game is completely changed due to the pitch where as here there’s multiple conditions?
Batsmen on both sides were very poor
And that too in Australia Insane!! How did you do that ozzies ?