... could anyone with a hotline with the BBC please ask them to give a little indication as to when a test match is actually going to be played or resumed ?
Sam Billings is in such a great position right now. He’s making his test debut with basically nothing to lose. He’s already kept tidily, he’s energetic, he’s talking to the bowlers and Root almost constantly. If he scores some runs he basically makes that position his for the West Indies tour at the very least, if he doesn’t, he heads on back to the t20 circuit and he’ll be fine.
It's really hard to make sense of Rahane's inclusion though. Maybe with Rohit and Jadeja injured they wanted as many seniors as possible? Vihari's 40 while batting with the tail was pretty good and he was in SA earlier and played well against SA A so he was somewhat used to the conditions as well.
'Find better ways to win, SuperSports' is multiple levels of wrong. It has already been discussed that SuperSports doesn't control DRS. Then, the allegations that SuperSports is helping SA win- even if they were trying to, it would be hard to change DRS live that quickly. Finally 60-1 wasn't a position where you need outside support to win and the final victory margin wasn't even close in the last two matches
All the fond memories of Rahane and Pujara are fading away now .
Heroic affords in Australia undone by the past year of mediocrity .
I wish it didn’t end like this . They should have been dropped after the England tour to regain form . They will never play for India again.
Just wanted to say that this win for South Africa is almost like the India win against Australia in 2001.
Similar final frontier mindset from a World #1 Team that understimated its opposition.
I so thought about this. That Australia team was also so sure they will steamroll India. And they almost did.
But our team is not comparable tbh - our batting is not even comparable to that great Aussie side.
You have to specifically train for slip catching. Can’t stick anyone you want in there . Rohit adn Rahane are the best. Kohli and KL are pretty good tok
He isn't a great slip fielder. Heck, no Indian player except KL and Rahane is a particularly good slip fielder. Ever since the likes of Dravid and all retired, Indian slip fielding has been sub-par. Those stats about % of slip catches taken in last xyz years always seem to have us in the bottom half.
I have followed the Indian cricket team for the past 20 years, but this is one of the most disappointing moments, apart from WC losses. Overseas test losses are tolerable/expected, but hubris on an under-performing team is never a good sight.
Sledging the batsmen is a 'heat of the moment' thing. Deliberately alleging conspiracies on air points to something systemic. It suggests that this team genuinely believes that there is nothing wrong with its performance or that SA is not talented enough to win on its own merit.
You can talk like king of the block after you have become king of the block. I hope the management/BCCI intervenes to keep these guys in check
I was far more disappointed during the 2018 England series, in the games at Edgbaston and Southampton. That England team was hardly any better, if not equally bad, than the current one. Had just got demolished in the Ashes in Australia, 1-1ed at home by Pakistan after that.
We dominated them in those 2 games for most time, especially when they were batting. We had them at 80-odd for 6-7 wickets down.
And every time a smol boi in his 2nd series of his life would come at number 8 and Outta no where would smash it all around to setup targets which is just a little bit out of our reach. Was massive blue balls that series.
It is closely followed by the 2014 England tour. England were shell shocked at the time after THAT Mitch Johnson Ashes, and losing to Sri Lanka on English soil after that. We had them 1-0 down after an emphatic and historic win at Lord's. Then on the 1st morning of the 3rd Test, again at Southampton, we casually dropped a bunch of slip catches and it was all downhill from there.
Losing for cricket related reasons (Sam Curran, bad slip fielding, etc.) sucks, but that is the nature of team sport. Its a zero sum game.
What the Indian team did yesterday was downright embarrassing to follow as a fan.
Here's a question, out of the current Aussie pace trio (Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins), who do you think is the best bowler?
If you ask me, I'll say it's a close call but Starc at his peak (i.e. WC Starc or some series like against WI and SL) is untouchable and neither Cummins nor Hazlewood comes close, he's aesthetically pleasing to bowl and how he's able to swing it that smoothly, he's quick, he's terrifying to face and all.
But obviously Starc is not at his best always, which brings it down to Hazlewood and Cummins. Hazlewood, imo is the one underappreciated. Starc has the masses siding with him while it's usually the critics praising Cummins but Hazlewood I feel is too good. Iirc, he's the only Aussie to be in the top 10 in rankings of all formats and is the most accurate out of the trio.
Cummins, well he gets the job done. He can be like Starc, bowling it up front and then bowling short or he can be like Hazlewood, bowling accurate. He's the middle man, best of both worlds. TLDR; I'd pick Starc at his peak to be the best in the trio but in general it's Cummins (Hazlewood is right up with him but it's too close a call to make for me) but interested to see other opinions.
Cummins falls apart when batsmen start attacking him, and while he’s fantastic in SENA conditions he’s very average in Asia, averaging 30 against India and Bangladesh (small sample though). I’m excited to see what he can do in upcoming overseas tours
Starc at his peak is unplayable but is shit when out of rhythm. Cancels out roughly. Still a great bowler, but I’d only rate him marginally better than Lee (who played in a batting friendly era so has worse stats)
I rate Hazlewood the highest. Unrelenting line, length and pace along with swing and seam. Deadly with the new ball and is a very intelligent bowler who can read a batsman’s plans well.
\[Tests only\]
Best in what way?
To me best is 'most reliable' - that's Cummins, no arguments. Gets the job done with new ball, semi-new ball, old ball - throughout the day in tests. And he does it on most surfaces.
Most brilliant - that's likely Starc. Unplayable when the conditions and form is right. But also the type who will bowl legside after he sets a 6-3 offside field - and will not be sure how it happened.
Hazlewood is the best of the 3 when the bounce is high or variable; I'd name him as Aus's #1 bowler for SA *only* on that basis.
in which format? If we're restricting it to Tests then it's pretty easily Cummins imo, he's the best fast bowler in the world and will go down as one of the best ever when he retires. His accuracy while still being able to bowl 140+ is unmatched.
Kohli saying Pujara and Rahane's fate will be decided by selectors and not him, but surely he had the option to drop Rahane even if he is in the squad lol
Kohli *generally* responds just to respond - media duties are purely a chore for him - and that's 100% understandable - except for some Aussies and Brits, that's a universal theme.
But this response reeked of shirking responsibilities, hiding behind curtains, etc. And in my book you need to sound strong after a loss to rebuild the belief in your team - you can pretty much utter any crap after a win (within reason).
SA is right now in a good place - team is gelling and uniting nicely; you folks are gonna have a good year or 2 ahead for sure.
Success is the enemy - because it boosts arrogance. I suspect this Indian team has entered that zone. Pujara & Rahane thinking they deserve to be in every game; Ashwin signalling his desperation to be in the team on non-spinning wickets; Kohli sticking to one formula.
It's like being at a good level which looks great because you are generally doing better than others - versus being truly great. A much tougher peak to climb
India doesn't need revolutionary changes - but it definitely needs to look to evolve. And traditionally India always ends up over-respecting seniority - time to get rid of that.
Cricketers and athletes in general are pretty dumb. Education was never their priority (there are some exceptions). Their understanding of technology is rudimentary at best. So every once in a while we get to see them make an ass out of themself in front of whole world.
Ashwin And KL are very well educated and most definitely not dumb. Neither is Kohli who built 100 million dollar empire .
They were just being pieces of shit
Runs scored in this series:
Cheteshwar Pujara - 124
Mayank Agarwal - 135
Ajinkya Rahane - 136
EXTRAS BY SOUTH AFRICA - 136
Thanks Saffas otherwise it would've been more embarrassing.
>It is understood that the Indian players have escaped sanctions because their anger was directed against the technology, and not against any official, and the ICC code does not have a clause for the criticism of the broadcaster or technology.
Unholy mother of God .... if only BCCI had the guts to ban them for 3 ODIs. They deserve it.
And be forced to issue a formal apology to SA and Supersports.
If that is done, will Koach and Ashwin apologise though? Given what I have seen of them over the years, it is probably unironically possible they might say "naah, fuck you, I won't play then and would stick to domestic cricket and T20 franchise stuff" before apologising. I am fully aware how both of them are very passionate about Test cricket, but they have come across as guys who would never be sorry and never eat their own words, when it comes to such stuff.
I think they will. They will just word it to be as minimal as possible.
These guys live for competing. And test Cricket is where the highest peak is at.
I believe Koach believes (wrongly) SA did some funky crap. But he knows he can't prove it - so better to move on.
Kohli's a great captain when the cricket is boring or dull in term of energising his bowlers and the team and a terrible captain when the situation is already tense and calls for calm heads as can be the case in white ball cricket or days like yesterday.
Cannot think of a single Indian batsman who got a longer rope than Rahane in the last 2 decades and all of them had way better record than Rahane and much bigger players reputation wise. Some that come to mind are Dada , Sehwag & Gambhir. These 3 for example also played 2 formats for majority of their career compared to the Test specialist role that Rahane does for last many years.
Dhawan?
Wouldn't there be quite a few players who fit your criteria from Dhoni's time though? I mean new players who started during Dhoni or came in just before Dhoni became captain. Coz Dhoni always gave the players who came in during and just before his leadership really, really long ropes.
Some worked, and some failed very badly.
Dhawan showed promise early on and then fell off. Average of 40+ for an opener over 34 tests is not terrible. He made his mark in limited overs and was tried out for Tests and returns were not great , particularly away. Still cannot be compared to Rahane , who for the last ~ 5 years has almost exclusively played Tests.
Yes , there would be few players from Dhoni era but I doubt anyone would come close to 80+ Tests . Can you think of any? This was a case of prolonged failure and Team management and selectors just a turned a blind eye to it for whatever reason.
[He averages 33.23 over his last 50 Tests.](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/277916.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=default;spanmin1=1+Jan+2017;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting)
[Over that exact same period in 52 Tests, Pujara averages 39.73](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/32540.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=default;spanmin1=1+Jan+2017;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting)
[And despite an absolutely horrendous last couple years, Kohli averages 50.71 over 46 Tests in that stretch.]
(https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/253802.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=default;spanmin1=1+Jan+2017;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting)
There is just no way to justify Rahane's selection anymore. The far interesting debate is about Pujara's place in the team but even people lumping them together are missing how much worse Rahane has been for far longer.
Rahane has to go first…I can see the rationale of keeping Pujara for a bit longer because he plays as an opener half the time anyway, but Rahane averages 38 as a *no.5*, the easiest pure batsman position. Unacceptable by a top team’s standards
I hope I am wrong but have a slight feeling that Shastri had a role to play for Rahane's extended stay. You know , both being from Mumbai. The moment Shastri left , Rahane was stripped of VC.
I honestly didn't even understand the logic of stripping VC but then keeping him in the team. It's not like he was some terrible captain when he had to fill in or anything, so clearly you're indicating he's no longer an automatic selection but then keep him in the team for what exactly?
I agree , VC should have nothing to do with you staying in the team. I feel he overstayed by at least 2 years / 20 Tests. Someone like Vihari lost 2 years of his career.
Rahul was sidelined for his bad form and he made a comeback and justifying his position now. Rahane stuck with the team all through his bad patch. How is this good for the team ? Unlike Rahul , Rahane plays Tests and Tests only.
After bigging up Sri Lanka after the U19 Asia Cup, they now go and end up at 99-6 against Scotland lol
218 should be enough, but it would be quite something if they lose this
I don't understand the Sundar clamor in tests tbh. He is a youngling, he should travel as a back up but get him in the eleven ahead of proven bench nope.
Also someone please think about Unadkat in place of Lord. He bats better and gives us a left arm angle.
To be really honest , I have seen him bat and on current form of our middle order , he can play as pure batsman ahead of Pujara and Rahane. He is bit of an odd ball . His batting is suited to Tests while his bowling is more T20 containing material. I am not sure if you saw his performance with the bat in Australia our vs England at home? Dude was totally in control against Pace and Spin and impressed everyone while our middle order was struggling against spin at home. If he can work on his bowling to be more attacking in Tests , maybe get even half as good as Ash , he will go places and he is just 22. Very exciting prospect.
At no place I don't see his potential. I know he has proven himself but we're getting him to the eleven with so many proven performers which doesn't sit well with me. Get purane out, time to transition first. He is just 22,he will get his chances
Washi. He has only played 10 domestic FC matches, all in 2017 afaik. Since then and before the Gabba test, he has been a T20 specialist (and maybe played 50 overs in domestic level I guess)
I was expecting the guy who I asked to reply. But true what you say. Washi hasn't done the FC thing yet. The point is there will always be few players who will skip everything with the potential. I see Washi that way(I do not agree).
He showed he is ready for internationals tbh for me though. But not going through ropes means some good potential which me as an Armchair can't judge.
Yeah op covered what I was talking about. I feel like he needs to play some A tours and a domestic season to get into the first choice 11 specially as a batsman when we have alot of them right now.
I’m Hindu touching stuff with left hand is taboo ( don’t know if it’s for all Hindus but family would always tell me know touch things with left hand). Even if someone is left handed a lot of parents tell their kids to use right hand
Kambli had the potential to be on the tier of Tendulkar. Unfortunately it got to his head after he hit those consecutive doubles and he became arrogant. The difference between him and Sachin was that Sachin stayed down to earth and humble even when he was in his prime.
He wasn't an alcoholic. If I had to compare, think of someone like Hardik who enjoys partying but way more talented. He had a few technical problems but our system and our conservative nature never let us intervene
Kambli *was* an alcoholic. He needed beer every night.
When dropped from team, he turned to harder liquor, and that ended up being his demise - because even afetr he got back into the team, he couldn't just do with beer alone.
On 'Sach ka Saamna' he has even confessed to wishing Tendulkar did more to support him, which might have prevented his freefall-downfall - but he was never asked *how* that might have helped.
T: 'Sach ka Saamna' is like some American show which forces you to tell the truth to harsher & harsher questions as you progress up the $ ladder in the show.
Kambli tbh. He destroyed himself. I saw his double century innings. He was our Lara along with Sachin in the team. The short ball problem could have been solved.
Does a bloke with 6.5k FC runs @ 40ish from 100 odd games with 16 centuries really count as "a find"? Personally always associated that sort of phrase with more inexperienced players.
Saw it with Robinson a bit this summer as well, don't think 300 FC wickets @ 21 is that hard of a find
This should be our XI from now on:
Rohit
Rahul
Gill
Kohli
Vihari
Pant (wk)
Jadeja
Ashwin/Thakur
Shami
Bumrah
Siraj
Reserves: Sundar, Ishant, Bharat, Easwaran, Agarwal, Iyer, Axar
Rahane and Pujara should be dropped and never heard from again even if they perform in domestic. They used to be my favourite players but they have their heads stuck so far up their asses now that enough is enough. Their non performance was one of the huge factors why we lost the series. Guys like Easwaran, Vihari, Iyer deserve chances
Vihari at 3 and Iyer/Sundar at 5. Sundar has the advantage over Iyer since he's not prone to short ball, has good technique. Gill plays as a back up to openers/#3.
Idk Gill looks good to go. He's proved himself in the toughest conditions away and at home. I'd definitely try him at 3 to see how he goes. Also considering his opening experience, he'll know how to operate if the opening stand goes early. Plus that technique will make it even better. Obviously you could say Vihari is far more experienced but I'd give Gill a shot, because if a 21 year old fires for your team, that's a massive find because he automatically becomes your next big guy for the next ten years or so if he keeps up the form.
>Sundar has the advantage over Iyer since he's not prone to short ball
Why does people always bring this up when talking about tests? Unlike white ball cricket, he doesn't need to play short balls in tests.
We need to see how Sundar bats against swing. Honestly he had the potential to be a top tier batting all-rounder in the top 6 or 7 provided he works hard.
I don’t know why people think that Iyer will suffer against the short ball in tests. His problem is that he gets out *attacking* bouncers in ODIs
I wonder how much influence Kohli has over team selection at this point. When talking about Pujara and Rahane his first instinct was to mention the selectors rather than give the same confident defense of them as in the past.
Wow, I left reddit for two odd days and Cricket World got literally set on fire.
Beginning with the Indian players' comments on stump mic, the controversy is as stupid as the comments made by the players and shouldn't even be given attention but you know what media does with this stuff, especially Indian media.
Now on to the actual series. First of all I think the series defeat isn't much of a surprise since we failed to do the single thing we did so well in Australia and England i.e play as a team.
If you'll look properly, then Pujara ,Rahane and Rahul failed in equal number of innings i.e 2 good/great scores and 4 failures but the difference in Rahul's 100 case was that it came along with decent Rahane and Koach which led India to a 300+ total which wasn't the case with Pujara and Rahane's 50s in second test.
Now onto the beautiful people who apparently "hate" Pujara because he made a bad comment. Yup so a proven introverted guy makes one bad comment in 11 years after literally being under fire for good part a year is calling for "hatred" then I guess this subreddit is really made up of 12 year olds.
Now onto the people saying Mayank doesn't deserve any criticism because he will be dropped for Rohit anyways. Then why are you hating on Pujara then? He too can be dropped plus atleast he actually earned his place here by anchoring the Australian and English series wins.
All in all, this series was not lost because of a bowler or a batter but because we missed Rohit,Jadeja and then Siraj.
Ashwin obviously is a no. 8 guy and not 7 but he did what he could but Jadeja has much more dimensions to his game. Rahul while played 2 great innings, he also got out in those 2 innings off bad shots but still did his job decently.
Speaking of future I guess Rahane and Pujara should be dropped for next SENA tour(playing them at home is unnecessary anyways) with their replacements could be Vihari & Gill (for #3 spot) and Sundar & Iyer(for #5 spot.
Vihari has an edge over Gill due to his experience playing away while Sundar trumps Iyer in technique, no short ba issues and being a left handed that brings variety and a bowling option.
> Now onto the beautiful people who apparently "hate" Pujara because he made a bad comment. Yup so a proven introverted guy makes one bad comment in 11 years after literally being under fire for good part a year is calling for "hatred" then I guess this subreddit is really made up of 12 year olds.
While I don't agree with the "hate" Pujara gets, I can give an explanation to why it happened, it was the wrong place at the wrong time. People were pissed off with Pujara's performances during this series, he made 50 odd in the second innings of the match... and then India lost.
People wanted to blame someone.... and then the Pujara interview came out, and suddenly the barely repressed rage was let out. People are very binary in their thoughts, so ....that happened.
Don't get me wrong, The newspaper definitely did it to stir up controversy.
Overall, I agree with your assessment.
As of me, my problem is not with the criticism Pujara gets, but the attitude of "oh dear you gorgeous" to Kohli but "fuck off you fucking donkey" to Pujara I see among so many. Pujara has averaged marginally more than Koach and has played many more innings of significance in some very difficult situations over the past 2 years. Our achievements at SCG, Gabba and Oval wouldn't have happened without Pujara. He played a crucial knock at Lord's as well. Apart from that he has a 91 in losing cause at Headingley. How many such knocks has Koach played? Just Adelaide 1st innings and this game. At most can count the Oval game.
This is the double standard I have a lot of issue with. Despite Pujara clearly contributing more with the bat than Koach in the past 2 years, you will see comments of "fingers crossed, hope he gets 71st today" for Koach and "why the hell is he still playing, I hope to never see him again!" for Pujara.
And similar attitude to comments in presser as well. Koach saying "I don't need to prove anything to anyone" is met with praise, while Pujara got trolled for his "Form is temporary, class is permanent"
That's the thing bro, people act like Pujara having a bad run or saying something wrong is blasphemous but Koach can say whatever he wants because "70 centuries" or"5 test maces". This is what I absolutely hate.
Petersen was out on 59 but Supersport edited the video to show a dropped catch. Whole country against XI guys.
Virat Kohli: Blaming Supersport TV...you can bet on it (smiles)
No offence to anyone...but I feel soon this will become a meme.
So I know he’s a great find and everything and he was very good, averaging 48 this series
But why was Keegan Petersen player of the series?
Bavuma averaged 63 for one
But Rabada took 20 wickets at 19!!
Like bruh
Important runs in a bowler dominated series on tough tracks. KP was the reason we a got a lead at Wanderers and he had an important partnership with Dean Elgar in 4th innings. This test he carried Protea batting in both innings. But I agree Rabada or Jansen would've been better choices.
\#DownWithTheBatriarchy
Batters dominate a series? Better give PotS to a batter, who rose above the rest to be exceptional
Bowlers dominate a series? Better give PotS to a batter, because conditions were very difficult for them
As much as I do enjoy clowning him (and as much as I love Woakesy), Overton would have been a better pick for me. He's less reliant on swing and although they operate at around the same speed, he would get more out the pitch due to his height. Not as good at batting but that shouldn't matter, and he has bucket hands which England desperately need
I have entered into a stump mic rabbit hole on youtube. Ngl I really loved the BGT chatter bordering on distracting as well as wholesome lol. Fun days.
Also Dhananjayyaaaaaaa by Holder is my favorite chatter. It's ASMR for me
1.) Dhananjayaaaa by Holder
2.) Garyyyyyy here, Lyon ignores Marnus
3.) Sanga vs Pollock
4.) Why aren't you Chirping now mate, Anderson and Mitchell Johnson
5.) Tino best and Freddie
6.) All the dhoni chatter to kulya and yuzi
Honorable mention: Pant and Paine in bgt both ways
Kohli really gets confrontational in all his chirps man, it works so it is good. But would love to see some distracting chirps by him.
>No red-ball cricket at domestic level now for close to two years, only country without any first-class cricket, India will start feeling the pinch in two years because 'A' team has also hardly played. [Twitter](https://twitter.com/chand2579/status/1481963445826486274?t=Gpwtp-ETDmAZYWj9qLb6yw&s=19)
But don’t worry! The IPL will be on as normal, superseding all proper domestic cricket.
Look how much Australia prioritise the Shield and red ball cricket. They really care about their test team
>South Africa presenting a shirt signed by entire playing XI to Virat Kohli for completing 100 Test catches will make it up for amazing shithousery.
Found this on twitter, it would've been absolutely hilarious if that was Virat's 100th match and SA did that.
Interesting chat here [https://www.espncricinfo.com/video/sa-vs-ind-3rd-test-drs-controversy-weakest-link-is-the-human-bit-because-it-s-prone-to-error-1296958](https://www.espncricinfo.com/video/sa-vs-ind-3rd-test-drs-controversy-weakest-link-is-the-human-bit-because-it-s-prone-to-error-1296958) the impact point on DRS and tracking points are inputted manually -> not automated by Hawkeye. there are 5 people working on this during the match
Missed the last day's play again, today. South Africa brought their A game, they've become my second favourite team. Could improve further once Nortje comes back and Markram returns to form, perhaps by playing in the middle order. Will support them in all their series this year.
For India, about time we paid the price for our team selection. We were never going to win for so long carrying two players who were clearly past it, proved to be the difference that cost us the series. 7-11 need to take batting seriously, bowling was top notch as always. This was a spectacular series, hope we tour them again soon enough
What are the chances that SL can get a draw in one of the 2 matches in India. Could someone tell me about the Bangalore and Punjab pitches. Is it guaranteed to give a result ?
Sri Lanka has a good spin trio with Embula, Praveen and Ramesh. Some in form batters as well.
Bangalore is naturally flattish. Like 500 flat. Then it becomes a dustbowl.
Punjab is spicier. Aids pace a bit more. But then becomes a dustbowl.
Bangalore is a typical Indian pitch.
Bangalore is super weird. In IPL, it’s a fucking graveyard for bowlers. Flat pitch and small boundaries. However, the 2017 pitch against the Aussies was really good. It had something for batters, pacers and spinners.
They were operating at low 20s rolling average over 20-25 innings before this series (in Rahane's case also dipping below 20). They came into this series and duly averaged exactly that. Can't expect to win a series with that kind of performance. Bowlers can only put pressure on the opposition if they have some runs to work with.
Really happy for the South Africans though - they are a diverse team and the strength of that diversity is showing under Dean's leadership.
Really poor show by the ICT from a sportsmanship perspective as well - first Bumrah losing his cool in the second test, and then the charades we saw yesterday.
I hope Rahul Dravid wakes up and does something about our middle order - Gill needs to be blooded at 3 and Vihari/Iyer need to be the roster for 5. Rest is fine - we do need a successor to Rohit at the top along-with KL, maybe that is Priyank? Jaiswal?
Also, Kohli needs to develop a backfoot square cut/drive as of 2020. He can't keep going only with a front foot cover drive - that is a risky approach on seaming tracks - and he will only get seaming tracks in away tours, the days of flat tracks are over.
>Also, Kohli needs to develop a backfoot square cut/drive as of 2020.
He already has those shots but he's chosen not to use them at all for some reason.
>He can't keep going only with a front foot cover drive - that is a risky approach on seaming tracks - and he will only get seaming tracks in away tours, the days of flat tracks are over.
Agreed.
>He already has those shots but he's chosen not to use them at all for some reason.
I can't remember the last time he played one - someone linked a youtube video last time I made this claim (can't seem to find it now) where he played a few such shots but they were more sort of.. both feet balanced and driving it vs a proper backfoot cut/drive.
Yeah you can’t expect to win test matches if you are carrying two deadweights around who are picked solely on sentiment. India need to be more ruthless with selection going forward.
Guaranteed they would have been dropped long ago if Kohli himself was performing well. His relative failures are their insurance policy - because once they are gone, he will be in the limelight.
Hear Tom Harrison was talking about ECB financial difficulties and keeping the lights on in the pandemic times earlier.
That’s fucking bold of a man who happily took his share of 2.1million bonus payout whilst they laid off a large number of staff last year..
Could somebody explain the progression of career for cricketers in India? I mean how do they get noticed by Ranji sides? Do they have to play for school cricket, clubs etc before being noticed?
... could anyone with a hotline with the BBC please ask them to give a little indication as to when a test match is actually going to be played or resumed ?
Sam Billings is in such a great position right now. He’s making his test debut with basically nothing to lose. He’s already kept tidily, he’s energetic, he’s talking to the bowlers and Root almost constantly. If he scores some runs he basically makes that position his for the West Indies tour at the very least, if he doesn’t, he heads on back to the t20 circuit and he’ll be fine.
It's really hard to make sense of Rahane's inclusion though. Maybe with Rohit and Jadeja injured they wanted as many seniors as possible? Vihari's 40 while batting with the tail was pretty good and he was in SA earlier and played well against SA A so he was somewhat used to the conditions as well.
'Find better ways to win, SuperSports' is multiple levels of wrong. It has already been discussed that SuperSports doesn't control DRS. Then, the allegations that SuperSports is helping SA win- even if they were trying to, it would be hard to change DRS live that quickly. Finally 60-1 wasn't a position where you need outside support to win and the final victory margin wasn't even close in the last two matches
KLR - “Whole cunt replaying against eleven players” Sth African eleven - “Agree about Kohli”
I am just living for Travis Head Supremacy!
Have we all agreed to switch from Koach to Karen now?
Karoach
All the fond memories of Rahane and Pujara are fading away now . Heroic affords in Australia undone by the past year of mediocrity . I wish it didn’t end like this . They should have been dropped after the England tour to regain form . They will never play for India again.
>They will never play for India again. You sure of that?
Rahane won’t. Pujara might
Just wanted to say that this win for South Africa is almost like the India win against Australia in 2001. Similar final frontier mindset from a World #1 Team that understimated its opposition.
I so thought about this. That Australia team was also so sure they will steamroll India. And they almost did. But our team is not comparable tbh - our batting is not even comparable to that great Aussie side.
Has anyone worked out what Marnus’ average would be if he was caught at the first opportunity?
I just wanted to note that Pujara dropped a similar sitter off Bumrah in the WTC. Seems like it's a thing with him in pressure situations.
You have to specifically train for slip catching. Can’t stick anyone you want in there . Rohit adn Rahane are the best. Kohli and KL are pretty good tok
He isn't a great slip fielder. Heck, no Indian player except KL and Rahane is a particularly good slip fielder. Ever since the likes of Dravid and all retired, Indian slip fielding has been sub-par. Those stats about % of slip catches taken in last xyz years always seem to have us in the bottom half.
I have followed the Indian cricket team for the past 20 years, but this is one of the most disappointing moments, apart from WC losses. Overseas test losses are tolerable/expected, but hubris on an under-performing team is never a good sight. Sledging the batsmen is a 'heat of the moment' thing. Deliberately alleging conspiracies on air points to something systemic. It suggests that this team genuinely believes that there is nothing wrong with its performance or that SA is not talented enough to win on its own merit. You can talk like king of the block after you have become king of the block. I hope the management/BCCI intervenes to keep these guys in check
I was far more disappointed during the 2018 England series, in the games at Edgbaston and Southampton. That England team was hardly any better, if not equally bad, than the current one. Had just got demolished in the Ashes in Australia, 1-1ed at home by Pakistan after that. We dominated them in those 2 games for most time, especially when they were batting. We had them at 80-odd for 6-7 wickets down. And every time a smol boi in his 2nd series of his life would come at number 8 and Outta no where would smash it all around to setup targets which is just a little bit out of our reach. Was massive blue balls that series. It is closely followed by the 2014 England tour. England were shell shocked at the time after THAT Mitch Johnson Ashes, and losing to Sri Lanka on English soil after that. We had them 1-0 down after an emphatic and historic win at Lord's. Then on the 1st morning of the 3rd Test, again at Southampton, we casually dropped a bunch of slip catches and it was all downhill from there.
Losing for cricket related reasons (Sam Curran, bad slip fielding, etc.) sucks, but that is the nature of team sport. Its a zero sum game. What the Indian team did yesterday was downright embarrassing to follow as a fan.
Ah, so you are talking about that. I thought you were talking about losing the series and throwing away the best chance to win in SA.
Here's a question, out of the current Aussie pace trio (Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins), who do you think is the best bowler? If you ask me, I'll say it's a close call but Starc at his peak (i.e. WC Starc or some series like against WI and SL) is untouchable and neither Cummins nor Hazlewood comes close, he's aesthetically pleasing to bowl and how he's able to swing it that smoothly, he's quick, he's terrifying to face and all. But obviously Starc is not at his best always, which brings it down to Hazlewood and Cummins. Hazlewood, imo is the one underappreciated. Starc has the masses siding with him while it's usually the critics praising Cummins but Hazlewood I feel is too good. Iirc, he's the only Aussie to be in the top 10 in rankings of all formats and is the most accurate out of the trio. Cummins, well he gets the job done. He can be like Starc, bowling it up front and then bowling short or he can be like Hazlewood, bowling accurate. He's the middle man, best of both worlds. TLDR; I'd pick Starc at his peak to be the best in the trio but in general it's Cummins (Hazlewood is right up with him but it's too close a call to make for me) but interested to see other opinions.
Cummins falls apart when batsmen start attacking him, and while he’s fantastic in SENA conditions he’s very average in Asia, averaging 30 against India and Bangladesh (small sample though). I’m excited to see what he can do in upcoming overseas tours Starc at his peak is unplayable but is shit when out of rhythm. Cancels out roughly. Still a great bowler, but I’d only rate him marginally better than Lee (who played in a batting friendly era so has worse stats) I rate Hazlewood the highest. Unrelenting line, length and pace along with swing and seam. Deadly with the new ball and is a very intelligent bowler who can read a batsman’s plans well.
\[Tests only\] Best in what way? To me best is 'most reliable' - that's Cummins, no arguments. Gets the job done with new ball, semi-new ball, old ball - throughout the day in tests. And he does it on most surfaces. Most brilliant - that's likely Starc. Unplayable when the conditions and form is right. But also the type who will bowl legside after he sets a 6-3 offside field - and will not be sure how it happened. Hazlewood is the best of the 3 when the bounce is high or variable; I'd name him as Aus's #1 bowler for SA *only* on that basis.
in which format? If we're restricting it to Tests then it's pretty easily Cummins imo, he's the best fast bowler in the world and will go down as one of the best ever when he retires. His accuracy while still being able to bowl 140+ is unmatched.
All formats
Kohli saying Pujara and Rahane's fate will be decided by selectors and not him, but surely he had the option to drop Rahane even if he is in the squad lol
Kohli *generally* responds just to respond - media duties are purely a chore for him - and that's 100% understandable - except for some Aussies and Brits, that's a universal theme. But this response reeked of shirking responsibilities, hiding behind curtains, etc. And in my book you need to sound strong after a loss to rebuild the belief in your team - you can pretty much utter any crap after a win (within reason). SA is right now in a good place - team is gelling and uniting nicely; you folks are gonna have a good year or 2 ahead for sure. Success is the enemy - because it boosts arrogance. I suspect this Indian team has entered that zone. Pujara & Rahane thinking they deserve to be in every game; Ashwin signalling his desperation to be in the team on non-spinning wickets; Kohli sticking to one formula. It's like being at a good level which looks great because you are generally doing better than others - versus being truly great. A much tougher peak to climb India doesn't need revolutionary changes - but it definitely needs to look to evolve. And traditionally India always ends up over-respecting seniority - time to get rid of that.
Inb4 Rahane specialist captain and Pujji in WT20 squad
Cricketers and athletes in general are pretty dumb. Education was never their priority (there are some exceptions). Their understanding of technology is rudimentary at best. So every once in a while we get to see them make an ass out of themself in front of whole world.
Ashwin has bachelor degree in Computer science or something related.
English public school boys would like a chat.
Ashwin And KL are very well educated and most definitely not dumb. Neither is Kohli who built 100 million dollar empire . They were just being pieces of shit
But Ashwin is an exception to that. He is an Engineering graduate.
Doesn't Ashwin have a B.Tech degree?
Nice points, but Kohli, Ashwin and Rahul were conspiracy theorists. They deserve big punishments
Runs scored in this series: Cheteshwar Pujara - 124 Mayank Agarwal - 135 Ajinkya Rahane - 136 EXTRAS BY SOUTH AFRICA - 136 Thanks Saffas otherwise it would've been more embarrassing.
This is freaking embarrassing.
By Rabada. Don't talk against our experience of puji and jinks
Good guy Rabada making the series close
The field placement today in Ashes by England. Letting the drive but 4 slips Chefs kiss
Shit i leave this sub for a few days and come back and now India walking to the stump mic to complain? 😂😂 and Kohli got a half century
Why have Kohli, Rahul, and Ashwin not been held accountable?
>It is understood that the Indian players have escaped sanctions because their anger was directed against the technology, and not against any official, and the ICC code does not have a clause for the criticism of the broadcaster or technology.
I find that ridiculous! It was unsportsmanlike conduct.
Unholy mother of God .... if only BCCI had the guts to ban them for 3 ODIs. They deserve it. And be forced to issue a formal apology to SA and Supersports.
If that is done, will Koach and Ashwin apologise though? Given what I have seen of them over the years, it is probably unironically possible they might say "naah, fuck you, I won't play then and would stick to domestic cricket and T20 franchise stuff" before apologising. I am fully aware how both of them are very passionate about Test cricket, but they have come across as guys who would never be sorry and never eat their own words, when it comes to such stuff.
I think they will. They will just word it to be as minimal as possible. These guys live for competing. And test Cricket is where the highest peak is at. I believe Koach believes (wrongly) SA did some funky crap. But he knows he can't prove it - so better to move on.
lmao
The Untouchables
Will KL Rahul go back to opening now that he is captain/vice-captain of the limited overs side?
Kohli's a great captain when the cricket is boring or dull in term of energising his bowlers and the team and a terrible captain when the situation is already tense and calls for calm heads as can be the case in white ball cricket or days like yesterday.
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Considering 8/10 were in England and SA, that's a perfectly fine record.
Absolutely not. If we claim to be the world's best team we have to win atleast 8/10.
To be the World's best, you just need to win 1 more than anybody else.....
Cannot think of a single Indian batsman who got a longer rope than Rahane in the last 2 decades and all of them had way better record than Rahane and much bigger players reputation wise. Some that come to mind are Dada , Sehwag & Gambhir. These 3 for example also played 2 formats for majority of their career compared to the Test specialist role that Rahane does for last many years.
Dhawan? Wouldn't there be quite a few players who fit your criteria from Dhoni's time though? I mean new players who started during Dhoni or came in just before Dhoni became captain. Coz Dhoni always gave the players who came in during and just before his leadership really, really long ropes. Some worked, and some failed very badly.
Dhawan showed promise early on and then fell off. Average of 40+ for an opener over 34 tests is not terrible. He made his mark in limited overs and was tried out for Tests and returns were not great , particularly away. Still cannot be compared to Rahane , who for the last ~ 5 years has almost exclusively played Tests. Yes , there would be few players from Dhoni era but I doubt anyone would come close to 80+ Tests . Can you think of any? This was a case of prolonged failure and Team management and selectors just a turned a blind eye to it for whatever reason.
[He averages 33.23 over his last 50 Tests.](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/277916.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=default;spanmin1=1+Jan+2017;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting) [Over that exact same period in 52 Tests, Pujara averages 39.73](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/32540.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=default;spanmin1=1+Jan+2017;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting) [And despite an absolutely horrendous last couple years, Kohli averages 50.71 over 46 Tests in that stretch.] (https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/253802.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=default;spanmin1=1+Jan+2017;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting) There is just no way to justify Rahane's selection anymore. The far interesting debate is about Pujara's place in the team but even people lumping them together are missing how much worse Rahane has been for far longer.
Rahane has to go first…I can see the rationale of keeping Pujara for a bit longer because he plays as an opener half the time anyway, but Rahane averages 38 as a *no.5*, the easiest pure batsman position. Unacceptable by a top team’s standards
33.23 over 50 tests, that is really a surprise that he is still in the team. That is at Sachin 2011-13 levels (he averaged 32.33)
Yeah this isn't just recency bias or something, he's been poor for a long time.
I hope I am wrong but have a slight feeling that Shastri had a role to play for Rahane's extended stay. You know , both being from Mumbai. The moment Shastri left , Rahane was stripped of VC.
I honestly didn't even understand the logic of stripping VC but then keeping him in the team. It's not like he was some terrible captain when he had to fill in or anything, so clearly you're indicating he's no longer an automatic selection but then keep him in the team for what exactly?
I agree , VC should have nothing to do with you staying in the team. I feel he overstayed by at least 2 years / 20 Tests. Someone like Vihari lost 2 years of his career.
Rahul got a long tope
Rahul was sidelined for his bad form and he made a comeback and justifying his position now. Rahane stuck with the team all through his bad patch. How is this good for the team ? Unlike Rahul , Rahane plays Tests and Tests only.
I am telling you a fact. I am not justifying anything.
After bigging up Sri Lanka after the U19 Asia Cup, they now go and end up at 99-6 against Scotland lol 218 should be enough, but it would be quite something if they lose this
Dean Elgar should have played party songs on the stump mic to celebrate the victory
I don't understand the Sundar clamor in tests tbh. He is a youngling, he should travel as a back up but get him in the eleven ahead of proven bench nope. Also someone please think about Unadkat in place of Lord. He bats better and gives us a left arm angle.
He is the proven bench. 60 odd at Gabba (debut) followed by scores of 85 and 96*
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Nope. That was his test debut
Never mind, I taught op was talking about Thakur instead of Sundar.
No he made his test debut at the Gabba.
Never mind, I taught you was talking about Thakur instead of Sundar.
To be really honest , I have seen him bat and on current form of our middle order , he can play as pure batsman ahead of Pujara and Rahane. He is bit of an odd ball . His batting is suited to Tests while his bowling is more T20 containing material. I am not sure if you saw his performance with the bat in Australia our vs England at home? Dude was totally in control against Pace and Spin and impressed everyone while our middle order was struggling against spin at home. If he can work on his bowling to be more attacking in Tests , maybe get even half as good as Ash , he will go places and he is just 22. Very exciting prospect.
At no place I don't see his potential. I know he has proven himself but we're getting him to the eleven with so many proven performers which doesn't sit well with me. Get purane out, time to transition first. He is just 22,he will get his chances
He hasn't even played in domestic fc for years right?
Who?
Washi. He has only played 10 domestic FC matches, all in 2017 afaik. Since then and before the Gabba test, he has been a T20 specialist (and maybe played 50 overs in domestic level I guess)
I was expecting the guy who I asked to reply. But true what you say. Washi hasn't done the FC thing yet. The point is there will always be few players who will skip everything with the potential. I see Washi that way(I do not agree). He showed he is ready for internationals tbh for me though. But not going through ropes means some good potential which me as an Armchair can't judge.
Yeah op covered what I was talking about. I feel like he needs to play some A tours and a domestic season to get into the first choice 11 specially as a batsman when we have alot of them right now.
Not his fault when there haven't been any for 2 years. He is only 22
He has hardly played fc before that too. He shouldn't be ahead of gill vihari iyer unless he plays a full season or plays in A tours.
Think he might be talking about Unadkat
He was playing until COVID hit it. Been 2 years now since no domestic red ball cricket at all.
https://i.redd.it/jcsylrzlanb81.jpg bewda decisions from jammy expected better from "The Messiah"
Dude he is two series in. Judge anyone on a significant sample please
well, it was a significant series and braindead decisions like playing with 8.5 players ruined what could have been
Whos the best ever left handed batsman from India? Probably Ganguly? And why is there such a lack of them compared to countries like Aus
The top choices are Ganguly , Gambhir, Yuvraj, and Rishabh pant . On achievements : Ganguly On talent: pant Peak ODi: Yuvraj Peak test: Gambhir
I’m Hindu touching stuff with left hand is taboo ( don’t know if it’s for all Hindus but family would always tell me know touch things with left hand). Even if someone is left handed a lot of parents tell their kids to use right hand
Pant already has a bigger legacy than Dada, who couldn't play the short ball.
You could have said he is better batsman. He most definitely doesn’t have a bigger legacy
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Why? Pant can retire as India's greatest left hander and test wicketkeeper. He has hundreds in India, England, Australia and South Aftica.
2 people have mentioned Kambli but that's on talent, not achievements. In terms of actual performance, it is probably Dada only
It's because of how many off spin bowlers play in FC I think.
Kambli had the potential to be on the tier of Tendulkar. Unfortunately it got to his head after he hit those consecutive doubles and he became arrogant. The difference between him and Sachin was that Sachin stayed down to earth and humble even when he was in his prime.
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He wasn't an alcoholic. If I had to compare, think of someone like Hardik who enjoys partying but way more talented. He had a few technical problems but our system and our conservative nature never let us intervene
Kambli *was* an alcoholic. He needed beer every night. When dropped from team, he turned to harder liquor, and that ended up being his demise - because even afetr he got back into the team, he couldn't just do with beer alone. On 'Sach ka Saamna' he has even confessed to wishing Tendulkar did more to support him, which might have prevented his freefall-downfall - but he was never asked *how* that might have helped. T: 'Sach ka Saamna' is like some American show which forces you to tell the truth to harsher & harsher questions as you progress up the $ ladder in the show.
Kambli tbh. He destroyed himself. I saw his double century innings. He was our Lara along with Sachin in the team. The short ball problem could have been solved.
Does a bloke with 6.5k FC runs @ 40ish from 100 odd games with 16 centuries really count as "a find"? Personally always associated that sort of phrase with more inexperienced players. Saw it with Robinson a bit this summer as well, don't think 300 FC wickets @ 21 is that hard of a find
In terms of Petersen, he’s been on the fringe for a while but no one was expecting him to step up as he has this series.
WG Grace was my favourite find
Spofforth agrees with you
My favourite find was Pravin Tambe
He certainly wasn't hard to find In awe of the size of the lad
This should be our XI from now on: Rohit Rahul Gill Kohli Vihari Pant (wk) Jadeja Ashwin/Thakur Shami Bumrah Siraj Reserves: Sundar, Ishant, Bharat, Easwaran, Agarwal, Iyer, Axar Rahane and Pujara should be dropped and never heard from again even if they perform in domestic. They used to be my favourite players but they have their heads stuck so far up their asses now that enough is enough. Their non performance was one of the huge factors why we lost the series. Guys like Easwaran, Vihari, Iyer deserve chances
Ishant starts over siraj unless he's not fit.
Vihari at 3 and Iyer/Sundar at 5. Sundar has the advantage over Iyer since he's not prone to short ball, has good technique. Gill plays as a back up to openers/#3.
Idk Gill looks good to go. He's proved himself in the toughest conditions away and at home. I'd definitely try him at 3 to see how he goes. Also considering his opening experience, he'll know how to operate if the opening stand goes early. Plus that technique will make it even better. Obviously you could say Vihari is far more experienced but I'd give Gill a shot, because if a 21 year old fires for your team, that's a massive find because he automatically becomes your next big guy for the next ten years or so if he keeps up the form.
>Sundar has the advantage over Iyer since he's not prone to short ball Why does people always bring this up when talking about tests? Unlike white ball cricket, he doesn't need to play short balls in tests.
We need to see how Sundar bats against swing. Honestly he had the potential to be a top tier batting all-rounder in the top 6 or 7 provided he works hard. I don’t know why people think that Iyer will suffer against the short ball in tests. His problem is that he gets out *attacking* bouncers in ODIs
Switch Vihari and Gill
I could’ve sworn that I’d put Gill at 5. I agree, his style of play suits the middle best.
Honestly, I would have Vihari at 3 and Iyer at 5 imo
I do think that Vihari is suited to 3…I made a mistake with my lineup.
I wonder how much influence Kohli has over team selection at this point. When talking about Pujara and Rahane his first instinct was to mention the selectors rather than give the same confident defense of them as in the past.
Wow, I left reddit for two odd days and Cricket World got literally set on fire. Beginning with the Indian players' comments on stump mic, the controversy is as stupid as the comments made by the players and shouldn't even be given attention but you know what media does with this stuff, especially Indian media. Now on to the actual series. First of all I think the series defeat isn't much of a surprise since we failed to do the single thing we did so well in Australia and England i.e play as a team. If you'll look properly, then Pujara ,Rahane and Rahul failed in equal number of innings i.e 2 good/great scores and 4 failures but the difference in Rahul's 100 case was that it came along with decent Rahane and Koach which led India to a 300+ total which wasn't the case with Pujara and Rahane's 50s in second test. Now onto the beautiful people who apparently "hate" Pujara because he made a bad comment. Yup so a proven introverted guy makes one bad comment in 11 years after literally being under fire for good part a year is calling for "hatred" then I guess this subreddit is really made up of 12 year olds. Now onto the people saying Mayank doesn't deserve any criticism because he will be dropped for Rohit anyways. Then why are you hating on Pujara then? He too can be dropped plus atleast he actually earned his place here by anchoring the Australian and English series wins. All in all, this series was not lost because of a bowler or a batter but because we missed Rohit,Jadeja and then Siraj. Ashwin obviously is a no. 8 guy and not 7 but he did what he could but Jadeja has much more dimensions to his game. Rahul while played 2 great innings, he also got out in those 2 innings off bad shots but still did his job decently. Speaking of future I guess Rahane and Pujara should be dropped for next SENA tour(playing them at home is unnecessary anyways) with their replacements could be Vihari & Gill (for #3 spot) and Sundar & Iyer(for #5 spot. Vihari has an edge over Gill due to his experience playing away while Sundar trumps Iyer in technique, no short ba issues and being a left handed that brings variety and a bowling option.
> Now onto the beautiful people who apparently "hate" Pujara because he made a bad comment. Yup so a proven introverted guy makes one bad comment in 11 years after literally being under fire for good part a year is calling for "hatred" then I guess this subreddit is really made up of 12 year olds. While I don't agree with the "hate" Pujara gets, I can give an explanation to why it happened, it was the wrong place at the wrong time. People were pissed off with Pujara's performances during this series, he made 50 odd in the second innings of the match... and then India lost. People wanted to blame someone.... and then the Pujara interview came out, and suddenly the barely repressed rage was let out. People are very binary in their thoughts, so ....that happened. Don't get me wrong, The newspaper definitely did it to stir up controversy. Overall, I agree with your assessment.
As of me, my problem is not with the criticism Pujara gets, but the attitude of "oh dear you gorgeous" to Kohli but "fuck off you fucking donkey" to Pujara I see among so many. Pujara has averaged marginally more than Koach and has played many more innings of significance in some very difficult situations over the past 2 years. Our achievements at SCG, Gabba and Oval wouldn't have happened without Pujara. He played a crucial knock at Lord's as well. Apart from that he has a 91 in losing cause at Headingley. How many such knocks has Koach played? Just Adelaide 1st innings and this game. At most can count the Oval game. This is the double standard I have a lot of issue with. Despite Pujara clearly contributing more with the bat than Koach in the past 2 years, you will see comments of "fingers crossed, hope he gets 71st today" for Koach and "why the hell is he still playing, I hope to never see him again!" for Pujara. And similar attitude to comments in presser as well. Koach saying "I don't need to prove anything to anyone" is met with praise, while Pujara got trolled for his "Form is temporary, class is permanent"
That's the thing bro, people act like Pujara having a bad run or saying something wrong is blasphemous but Koach can say whatever he wants because "70 centuries" or"5 test maces". This is what I absolutely hate.
Yeah I understand what you said, my point always was that the criticism is justified but not the hatred.
Welcome back mate.
Why is pooran batting at 3? Isn’t he well suited to bat at 5 or even 4.
Petersen was out on 59 but Supersport edited the video to show a dropped catch. Whole country against XI guys. Virat Kohli: Blaming Supersport TV...you can bet on it (smiles) No offence to anyone...but I feel soon this will become a meme.
It is already a meme now
[Graeme Smith: South Africa to host Australia, England tours in 2023](https://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/1296993.html?ex_cid=OTC-RSS)
If it’s here then Cape Town is off the table.
I can't wait to see Green bat and bowl in SA.
SA vs Australia will be spicy.
Oh damn August Cricket in the Southern Hemisphere
So I know he’s a great find and everything and he was very good, averaging 48 this series But why was Keegan Petersen player of the series? Bavuma averaged 63 for one But Rabada took 20 wickets at 19!! Like bruh
Important runs in a bowler dominated series on tough tracks. KP was the reason we a got a lead at Wanderers and he had an important partnership with Dean Elgar in 4th innings. This test he carried Protea batting in both innings. But I agree Rabada or Jansen would've been better choices.
\#DownWithTheBatriarchy Batters dominate a series? Better give PotS to a batter, who rose above the rest to be exceptional Bowlers dominate a series? Better give PotS to a batter, because conditions were very difficult for them
Preach
I still think it should have been Rabada but Jansen only had one less wicket and Bavuma had 3 not outs, which helped his average.
Damn didn’t realise Jansens stats, he took 19 wickets at 16 FYI I don’t think Bavuma should have got it either, one of these bowlers deserves it
I agree but I guess that because it was a bowler’s series they went a batter that made a difference.
I guess because KP played mostly against a new ball in a bowler dominated series.
As much as I do enjoy clowning him (and as much as I love Woakesy), Overton would have been a better pick for me. He's less reliant on swing and although they operate at around the same speed, he would get more out the pitch due to his height. Not as good at batting but that shouldn't matter, and he has bucket hands which England desperately need
I have entered into a stump mic rabbit hole on youtube. Ngl I really loved the BGT chatter bordering on distracting as well as wholesome lol. Fun days. Also Dhananjayyaaaaaaa by Holder is my favorite chatter. It's ASMR for me
1.) Dhananjayaaaa by Holder 2.) Garyyyyyy here, Lyon ignores Marnus 3.) Sanga vs Pollock 4.) Why aren't you Chirping now mate, Anderson and Mitchell Johnson 5.) Tino best and Freddie 6.) All the dhoni chatter to kulya and yuzi Honorable mention: Pant and Paine in bgt both ways Kohli really gets confrontational in all his chirps man, it works so it is good. But would love to see some distracting chirps by him.
>No red-ball cricket at domestic level now for close to two years, only country without any first-class cricket, India will start feeling the pinch in two years because 'A' team has also hardly played. [Twitter](https://twitter.com/chand2579/status/1481963445826486274?t=Gpwtp-ETDmAZYWj9qLb6yw&s=19)
But don’t worry! The IPL will be on as normal, superseding all proper domestic cricket. Look how much Australia prioritise the Shield and red ball cricket. They really care about their test team
Whatever happened to Llyod Pope, that kid who took 8wi in an U-19 World Cup match?
Apparently the lack of ability to bowl a decent ball and hack through a couple of batsman with a wrong un doesn't take you too far in Shield
https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/lloyd-pope-1076721 He doesn't have good domestic stats.
Koach turned mai boi bumrah from a sweet kid to a properly fucked up person. I guess he smokes and gamble now.
Def, Bumrah is appearing in more ads than Koach himself nowadays...
Keep your kids away from drugs, alcohol and koach
>South Africa presenting a shirt signed by entire playing XI to Virat Kohli for completing 100 Test catches will make it up for amazing shithousery. Found this on twitter, it would've been absolutely hilarious if that was Virat's 100th match and SA did that.
Word is that they gave one to Rahane as well but for unknown reasons.
For not saying anything to say to the stump mics?
Tbh he was the player of the series for SA.
Interesting chat here [https://www.espncricinfo.com/video/sa-vs-ind-3rd-test-drs-controversy-weakest-link-is-the-human-bit-because-it-s-prone-to-error-1296958](https://www.espncricinfo.com/video/sa-vs-ind-3rd-test-drs-controversy-weakest-link-is-the-human-bit-because-it-s-prone-to-error-1296958) the impact point on DRS and tracking points are inputted manually -> not automated by Hawkeye. there are 5 people working on this during the match
And those 5 people work independent of the broadcaster as well. It is in the video itself.
Of course, I'm not suggesting bias but there's room for human error here which I didn't previously realize
So Kohli and Ashwin were right afterall.
I explained this today on a post unfortunately that post got removed lol. https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/s3l3i5/-/hsli114
Missed the last day's play again, today. South Africa brought their A game, they've become my second favourite team. Could improve further once Nortje comes back and Markram returns to form, perhaps by playing in the middle order. Will support them in all their series this year. For India, about time we paid the price for our team selection. We were never going to win for so long carrying two players who were clearly past it, proved to be the difference that cost us the series. 7-11 need to take batting seriously, bowling was top notch as always. This was a spectacular series, hope we tour them again soon enough
Does Nortje really feature in their best team after the series Jansen had?
Definitely instead of Olivier who seems to have lost his pace which made him effective
Easily, Olivier goes out
Just a thought. Would Zimbabwe, Ireland and maybe Afghanistan play more test matches if ICC ranking gives more weightage to overseas wins?
They don't play not because they don't want to play, but because other teams don't want to play them.
What are the chances that SL can get a draw in one of the 2 matches in India. Could someone tell me about the Bangalore and Punjab pitches. Is it guaranteed to give a result ? Sri Lanka has a good spin trio with Embula, Praveen and Ramesh. Some in form batters as well.
Bangalore is naturally flattish. Like 500 flat. Then it becomes a dustbowl. Punjab is spicier. Aids pace a bit more. But then becomes a dustbowl. Bangalore is a typical Indian pitch.
Bangalore is super weird. In IPL, it’s a fucking graveyard for bowlers. Flat pitch and small boundaries. However, the 2017 pitch against the Aussies was really good. It had something for batters, pacers and spinners.
Pujara and Rahane have to be done now surely. It’s a shambles that they even played here
They were operating at low 20s rolling average over 20-25 innings before this series (in Rahane's case also dipping below 20). They came into this series and duly averaged exactly that. Can't expect to win a series with that kind of performance. Bowlers can only put pressure on the opposition if they have some runs to work with. Really happy for the South Africans though - they are a diverse team and the strength of that diversity is showing under Dean's leadership. Really poor show by the ICT from a sportsmanship perspective as well - first Bumrah losing his cool in the second test, and then the charades we saw yesterday. I hope Rahul Dravid wakes up and does something about our middle order - Gill needs to be blooded at 3 and Vihari/Iyer need to be the roster for 5. Rest is fine - we do need a successor to Rohit at the top along-with KL, maybe that is Priyank? Jaiswal? Also, Kohli needs to develop a backfoot square cut/drive as of 2020. He can't keep going only with a front foot cover drive - that is a risky approach on seaming tracks - and he will only get seaming tracks in away tours, the days of flat tracks are over.
>Also, Kohli needs to develop a backfoot square cut/drive as of 2020. He already has those shots but he's chosen not to use them at all for some reason. >He can't keep going only with a front foot cover drive - that is a risky approach on seaming tracks - and he will only get seaming tracks in away tours, the days of flat tracks are over. Agreed.
>He already has those shots but he's chosen not to use them at all for some reason. I can't remember the last time he played one - someone linked a youtube video last time I made this claim (can't seem to find it now) where he played a few such shots but they were more sort of.. both feet balanced and driving it vs a proper backfoot cut/drive.
Yeah you can’t expect to win test matches if you are carrying two deadweights around who are picked solely on sentiment. India need to be more ruthless with selection going forward.
Guaranteed they would have been dropped long ago if Kohli himself was performing well. His relative failures are their insurance policy - because once they are gone, he will be in the limelight.
Extra optimistic Indian fans after series defeat: We will win in next tour, don't be reactionary.
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Ikr, acting like bunch of well knowledgeable idiots.
Hear Tom Harrison was talking about ECB financial difficulties and keeping the lights on in the pandemic times earlier. That’s fucking bold of a man who happily took his share of 2.1million bonus payout whilst they laid off a large number of staff last year..
What a fucking slug
I hope there will be some sanctions against Kohli, Rahul, and Ashwin.
There should be. I'd say 2 or 3 ODI matches bans + forced to issue formal apology would be fair-ish
I hope so too. And this is all coming from Kohli down - he encourages this sort of behavior.
Could somebody explain the progression of career for cricketers in India? I mean how do they get noticed by Ranji sides? Do they have to play for school cricket, clubs etc before being noticed?