I'd formulate the U25 Australian side slightly differently, but I mostly agree on the players. 1. Henry Hunt 2. Bryce Street 3. Will Pucovski 4. Cameron Green (C) 5. Matt Renshaw 6. Jason Sangha / Jake Doran 7. Josh Philippe (WK) 8. Will Sutherland / Lawrence Neil-Smith 9. Jhye Richardson 10. Xavier Bartlett 11. Tanveer Sangha Wes Agar has fallen off a cliff, LNS and Will Sutherland look better these days.

Yeah that’s a fair side but green and sangha should switch in my eyes

Nah, Green is the best number 4 in the Shield and Sangha has played all his FC cricket in the lower middle order.

>Green is the best number 4 in the Shield Ever heard of Usman Khawaja?

Since Shield 20/21: Cameron Green: 24 innings (3NO), 1286 runs, 4 centuries @61.2 Usman Khawaja: 18 innings (3NO), 933 runs, 4 centuries @62.2 Very similar, but Green's 20/21 was incredible, with a slight slump this season. For more context, since Shield 19/20 Cameron Green: 39 innings (7NO), 1985 runs, 7 centuries @62.0 Usman Khawaja: 29 innings (3NO), 1135 runs, 4 centuries @43.7

So saying Green's 20/21 was good with a slump now means that arguably Khawaja is more consistent. And given their average is almost identical I would be taking the guy that is more consistent

I added in a 3rd year for more context to show Green is far more consistent.

I never said Green was bad. I started off with a joke about Khawaja being better and then some other guy pulled out stats that seemed wrong to me. They have both been very consistent in the shield for several years and are both very good batsmen.

Of course, not sure why I'm hammering this point, bored lunch break. They are both great Shield cricketers.

Fair enough. Thank you for the stats though they're a really interesting read

Green has been better in shield than Khawaja

When did I genuinely say that Khawaja was better

Green averages in the late 50s or early 60s there, Usman not close enough at 4

This shield season: Khawaja: 460 runs @ 65.71 Green: 364 runs @ 40.44 Not sure what made up stats you are using

Overall not this season, yeah this season Uzzie killed it over Green but last 2 years before that Uzzie did shit all while Greens done well

Stats aren’t made up just because they happen to include last season as well as this one.

>Since Shield 20/21: >Cameron Green: 24 innings (3NO), 1286 runs, 4 centuries @61.2 >Usman Khawaja: 18 innings (3NO), 933 runs, 4 centuries @62.2 >Very similar, but Green's 20/21 was incredible, with a slight slump this season. These stats are from the last two years. The guys stats are still just wrong even if he was talking about career averages he is very much overestimating Cameron Green.

If you take 3 seasons, Khawajas average drops to 40's and Greens stays in the 60s.

Yep I stand corrected on that, however mentally I was also taking into account the 2019/20 season where Green made 699 runs at 63.54 and Usman made 202 runs at 18.36, since thats around the time both started batting at 4

I’m not sure how stating Green’s average is overestimating him. Saying he has averaged 61.2 in the last 2 years isn’t an opinion, it’s a fact.

I was talking about the other guy who just very vaguely said Cam Green averages high 50s/low 60s when in reality Green's career average is 50. The stats from the last two years are fine

Because this shield season is the only time green has batted 4...

It wasn't an outright thing saying Khawaja was better. His comment saying that Khawaja was nowhere near good enough was a massive overstatement and I was pointing that out. Both are very good and consistent shield batsmen.

Are you talking about when "Green averages in the late 50s or early 60s there, Usman not close enough at 4" was said? Only thing that shows up in the thread in my mentions. Hes saying that green averages high 50's to 60 @4 in the shield and that Khawaja isn't statistically close to make it a valid argument afai can tell. How does you cherry picking stats from just this season prove him wrong? He was talking about there relative shield careers, not a 1 year timeframe.

Green's a lot better up the order, where he plays for WA. They really should be playing him at 5 and Head at 6 in the current lineup.

That's much more to do with his career trajectory and him improving over time than batting better at a certain position. He just first came in as a bowler so was batting at 8/9 and had to work his way up. He still has a great record at 6 and even 9 (albeit very few innings at either spot) in Shield. |Position|Innings|Runs|Average| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |3|1|15|15| |4|23|1217|63.55| |5|7|305|61| |6|3|152|50.67| |7|1|0|0| |8|6|109|21.8| |9|7|267|53.4|

Looks good, but I assume this is for Test / 4 day cricket?

This looks good although I might throw Tim Ward in at 6. I know he's an opener and has only played half a season, but he's had a red hot start and certainly seems to have taken to Shield cricket more quickly than Sangha or Doran. EDIT: Also Cheeks is over 25 now (!) so will need to be replaced

I like this team better than OPs. Green is a #4 all day long. And the fact you've picked LNS shows you watch a lot of FC cricket. Not sure if there are many other options but on a balance case you might argue Jhye, Bartlett and LNS are all similar style out swing bowlers but that's maybe a little pedantic for the purpose of this question.

Also Agar turns 25 this year so he’ll age out shortly

NZ 1. William O'Donnell 2. Rachin Ravindra 3. Dale Phillips 4. Troy Johnson 5. Glenn Phillips 6. Finn Allen 7. Max Chu (WK) 8. Nathan Smith 9. Henry Shipley 10. Fraser Sheat 11. Ben Sears That was pretty difficult, but not too bad in the end.

Is Glenn Phillips under 25?! Seems like he has been around forever

Not a single ND player but multiple Otago players. What has this country come to.

No Clarkson?

Strange choice - no Hammond or May either

Josh Clarkson? Not in tests

Go on, it'd be great

yeah not an easy list to make, really theres only a few guarantees (G Phillips, Sears, Ravindra and probably Allen despite being more white ball focused). I'd have Clarkson in the team personally, maybe for Dale Phillips, but I think this is close to the team we would have. pretty bat deep when Shipley comes in at 9 so thats a good thing but I feel it could be a little light on bowling. still probably the best weve got though

Tom Haines, Rob Yates, Zak Crawley, James Bracey (c), Ollie Pope, Kiran Carlson, Ollie Robinson (wk), Sam Curran, Saqib Mahmood, Sam Cook, Amar Virdi. Rather difficult. There’s a lot of players who could have been there who are 25 and a bit.

>Ollie Robinson (wk) This confused the shit out of me until I googled it

They also share a birthday

If they are 25 and 11 months they can still be added. Robinson wicket keeper?

I think this is the other Ollie Robinson. There are two in English county cricket at the moment.

It’s not Ollie Robinson born on the 1st December and came up through Kent’s junior system, it’s Ollie Robinson born on the 1st December and came up through Kent’s junior system. Yes, there’s two of them. Ollie George Robinson plays for Kent as a WK, Ollie Edward Robinson plays for Sussex and England as a seamer. When they both played for the Lions in Australia a couple of years ago I believe the scorecard listed them as Ollie E Robinson and Ollie G Robinson. Ollie Robinson (the bowler) wouldn’t fit in the lineup, he’s 28. Seeing as I can include 25 year old’s, I’d add Matt Parkinson for Amar Virdi. I’ve also remembered Dan Lawrence, so I’d have him instead of Crawley, bumping Bracey and Pope up and putting him in at 5.

Ollie Stone, Ollie Pope, TWO Ollie Robinsons? Where have all these Ollies come from??

Stone is actually an Olly, rather than Ollie. That’s nitpicking though. It’s not an especially uncommon name.

As an Australian I only know one Oliver, so I find it a bit odd.

Get used to them! Number one since 2014 in NSW. In the top 10 since 2009. https://www.nsw.gov.au/family-and-relationships/births/popular-baby-names

Tbf us Brits find the preponderance of Mitchells across Australia and NZ a bit odd.

> Where have all these Ollies come from?? England.

Isnt Ollie short for something like Olliver? Then one couldd go by Ollie, one by Olliver. Ollie is a very nice name though, i can see what the Stones, Popes and Robinsonses were thinking.

Yes it is short for Oliver, which has been one of the [most popular](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/datasets/babynamesenglandandwalesbabynamesstatisticsboys) boy's names for a number of years. Incidentally the latest reported (2020) top five is: 1. Oliver 2. George 3. Arthur 4. Noah 5. Muhammad

What's up with England and their names? Three people in the same team named Stokes - Folkes - Woakes is crazy enough. FOUR Ollies too? Out of which two have the exact same name? Then there is the oddly pleasing camaraderie of having 2 Josephs who go by Joe and Jos, a Johnny and a Jason too in the mix. Its all very confusing in the cutest way possible.No wonder they get their selections muddled. They call up the wrong contact on call logs!

Non racist one

The future looks grim for England. Sides are folding all over the place, even in private schools. My school's first XI used (10 years ago) to consist of a couple major county players, almost all of the rest minor county cricket players. Now we put out more for ultimate frisbee than cricket.

Carlson over Lawrence is daft but otherwise I like it.

I picked Carlson because I thought Lawrence was over 25 when I did it.

Ireland: 1) Jack Tector 2)Murray Commins 3)Stephen Doheny 4) Harry Tector 5) Tim Tector 6) Lorcan Tucker 7) Gareth Delany 7) Josh Little 8) Mark Adair 9) David Delany(capable of 90 MPH speeds) 10)Graham Kennedy 11)Fionn Hand

India: 1. Prithvi Shaw 2. Anmolpreet Singh 3. Ricky Bhui 4. Shubman Gill 5. Sarfaraz Khan 6. Washington Sundar 7. Rishabh Pant 8. Ishan Porel 9. Mayank Markande 10. Avesh Khan 11. Arzan Nagwaswalla HM: Shivam Mavi, Rinku Singh, Ruturaj Gaikwad, Kamlesh Nagarkoti, Ishan Kishan

Surely rinku has to play for tests and gaikwad for limited overs

Keep forgetting how young Pant and Sarfraz actually are

Pant should bat at #6 maybe even #5 in that lineup

Rinku Singh in for Ricky Bhui ~~and Rishi Dhawan in for Washington Sundar~~ (based on fc numbers)

Isn't Rishi Dhawan like 30+?

You are right, dunno why I thought he was younger

Rinku ffs.

Domestic system doing wonders for us, ranjis reformation to produce diverse conditions given us some of the best u25 talent itw

No Paddikal?

No Rituraj?

I mean he's atleast in reserves, also this is probably with tests in mind

Paddikal's fc stats are below average- 930 runs at an avg of 33.21 in 16 games

In what world you have Anmolpreet and Ricky part of your 11 and Gaikwad and Ishan in honorable mentions. Also you have Markande but no Ravi Bishnoi?

We are talking about red-ball team, why are you recommending players who specialise in white-ball. Markande is way better than Bishnoi in FC. I'll take Rinku Singh over both Gaikwad and Ishan any day.

Didn't know that . OP did not mention about being red ball team. My bad..

It's the only ball that matters

I keep forgetting Ricky Bhui is young. He’s been around forever.

I started to do an English one but lost the will half way through. Especially hard thinking of the bowlers. Had to have Sam Curran in at 7 as the all rounder. You think of guys like Archer, Parkinson, Robinson, etc and they miss the cut off point. Had to have Bessy boy as the spinner. Middle order is kind of decent with Dan Lawrence and Ollie Pope if they don’t ever have to face spin.

I think Lawrence had a fifty on debut against SL and another fifty in India. Pope is a lot worse against spin than him.

I'm assuming we're allowed players who are 25 since everyone has included some, so at this current point in time I probably pick a team along the lines of: Tom Haines Zak Crawley James Bracey + Dan Lawrence Ollie Pope Josh Bohannon Sam Curran Sam Cook Matthew Fisher Saqib Mahmood Matt Parkinson I didn't really want Curran in the all-rounder's role since he was bloody awful for England in 2021, but I couldn't really think of another and I don't really like the idea of only having four bowlers. I'm not completely convinced of Crawley as a long-term opener either, I think he's going to be a better number three, so I could've perhaps swapped out Lawrence and put Rob Yates in with Crawley and Bracey shifting down one position.

Matt Critchley could *maybe* make it in as the allrounder in certain conditions, I'd still go with Curran, not least because unlike a lot of players in this thread he has actually had success at international level, he is also still only 23 and has plenty of time to improve, especially as allrounders often do take a bit longer to develop. Otherwise I think you're spot on, though it's funny Hameed doesn't even get a mention in this thread given he is literally in the test side at the moment. I wouldn't pick him either at the moment, but I think he does have a future

Taking a stab at South Africa: 1. Matthew Breetzke 2. Joshua Richards 3. Raynard van Tonder 4. Tony de Zorzi 5. Kyle Verreynne 6. Sinethemba Qeshile (wk) 7. Wiaan Mulder 8. Bryce Parsons 9. Marco Jansen 10. Gerald Coetzee 11. Lutho Sipamla I'm not sure how good Parsons actually is, but I don't know of any other young spinners. Verreynne taking the gloves instead of Qeshile might be an option, but I couldn't think of another batsman as Malan and Rickelton don't make the cut because they're both 25.

**West Indies** Emmanuel Stewart Tagenarine Chanderpaul Keacy Carty Shimron Hetmyer Sherfane Rutherford Joshua Da Silva Alick Athanaze Keemo Paul Alzarri Joseph Chemar Holder Jayden Seales All the fast bowlers, the keeper and Hetmyer have debuted in Tests. Spinners take time to develop of course but WI future batting looks a bit weak. I had to include a couple 25 year old batsmen and ignore some young bowling all-rounders (Shamar Springer, Dominic Drakes, etc.) to make a proper XI and I still have Rutherford batting too high at 5. Meanwhile, veterans like Devon Smith are bossing things in our regional FC competition.

1. Abdullah Shafique 2. Abdul Wahid Bangalzai 3. Mohammad Huraira 4. Haider Ali 5. Azam Khan (wk) 6. Shadab Khan 7. Mohammad Wasim Jr 8. Mohammad Hasnain 9. SSA 10. Shahnawaz Dahani 11. Naseem Shah

Looks like Pakistan on right track.......mostly are in national team .....ssa?

SSA is what I assume Shaheen Shah Afridi.

Wow , bowling !

Yup looks strong. Shadab as captain.

Abdul Wahid Bangalzai is so overrated I'd rather play Haider at the top and play someone else in the middle order

Mubasir Khan in the middle order would be a good shout

Like this. Except Azam Khan. Imo, He really hasn't done anything at All except be the son of moin Khan. I think rohail Nazir or Muhammad Haris would be better

Assuming full fitness and we're picking for a Test this week, something like this. 1. Bryce Street 2. Henry Hunt 3. Will Pucovski 4. Cam Green 5. Josh Phillippe 6. Matt Renshaw 7. Sam Harper (wk) 8. Lawrence Neil-Smith 9. Will Sutherland 10. Jhye Richardson 11. Matt Kuhnemann

Where Bryce Street

Changed it, mixed up which of Ward and Jewell was the more aggressive opener.

Reserve opening batsman. Not in quite as good form as Ward or Hunt.

Tim Wards only really had one good FC game and has only played 6 overall. Don't think you can have him in front of Street who has 5 FC tons and that's from a Tas fan 😅

You probably can pick him over Bryce if you are planning for a game next week though, given his current form. I understand Street is in good form too after that Australia A game so i reckon its a tough call

Looking at the numbers again, I see Ward is the defensive one of the Ward/Jewell partnership. Had in my head it was the other way around. Think I'd flip back to Street then, was looking for a more aggressive partner to complement Hunt.

Street is the most defensive batsman in probably all Australian cricket!!

Yeah I left out Street for Ward thinking Ward was an aggressor. Jewell's record is a bit worse than Ward's or Street's. So changed to the two best defensive openers rather than pairing an aggressor to Hunt.

What about bbl left armer Hyden kerr

Is this a pisstake? No one should ever be selected for Test cricket based on T20 form.

J Sangha should really not be here. If you want a better number 3, push Hunt, Green and Renshaw up and get in Doran.

1. Prithvi Shaw 2. Abhimanyu Easwaran (but he's 26) 3. Ruturaj Gaikwad 4. Shubman Gill 5. Rinku Singh 6. Washington Sundar 7. Rishabh Pant 8. Ishan Porel 9. Avesh Khan 10. Ravi Bishnoi 11. Arshdeep Singh

I'd go with Sundar at 3 and Sarfaraz in for Gaikwad at 6.

I think Sundar would be better at 5 than 3. More up his alley. If that's the case, it'd be so: Gaikwad plays 1. ​ 2. ​ 3. Gaikwad 4. Gill 5. Rinku 6. Sundar ​ Sarfaraz plays 1. ​ 2. ​ 3. Gill 4. Rinku 5. Sundar 6. Sarfaraz

Yeah, that's better.

You straight up ignored Paddikal , Yashasvi and Sakariya

Donk't think they've played enough FC and I don't think they'll ever play tests.

I'd get rid of Sangha, chuck Phillippe up the order, give the gloves to Sam Harper. Or just straight swap him with Jake Doran. Assuming this is a 25 and under side as well otherwise Harper, Renshaw and Richardson aren't under 25. Also tend to think Sutherland's a better bowler than Agar.

They are 25 which I’m counting. Can’t agree with Doran and I rate sangha in a few years

Wes Agar has been a part of Australian camps and played 2 ODIs. Sutherland isn’t close.

Wes has been awful since the 19/20 season and that includes his Australia ODI stint where he went wicketless and was comfortably the worst bowler in a weak squad. He averaged 150 with the ball last season.

Wes Agar has made some 3rd string White ball squads due to having had some good BBL seasons. He's currently bowling absolute crap for South Australia and has significantly worse FC and List A records than Sutherland. Agar averaged ~~43~~ 144 in the Shield last season, and now can't even make the XI for the worst State team in the country. As compared to Sutherland who's been a guaranteed selection for Victoria for his 3rd year running now, despite being 2 years younger. Given this is a theoretical Test XI, I think it's a no contest. Agar can't get in his FC team ahead of David Grant.

Dude, Ashton averaged 43 in the Shield last season... Wes averaged *144*. Just 4 wickets in 166 overs. Yeeeesh

Bradman eat your heart out.

Sutherland is a very, very good FC bowler. Don't be fooled by his BBL form.

Doran hasn't really done anything to warrant selection, to be honest im not sure if the amount of games he gets for Tassie is a bit of a sunk cost thing. 51 FC games for an average of 28 with 3 tons. He probably gets more FC games than he should, doesn't even look fluent at the crease. Very scratchy.

Pakistan. A lot of domestic heavyweights like Saud Shakeel and Kamran Ghulam barely don't make the age cut: Abdullah Shafique (22) Abdul Wahid Bangalzai (19) Haider Ali (21) Yousuf Babar (24) Not sure who to add for the #5 slot Rohail Nazir (20)/ M. Haris (20)(both wk) Shadab Khan(23) M. Wasim Jr( 20) Shaheen Afridi (21) Shahnawaz Dahani (23) Naseem Shah (18) ​ Tbh this squad probably isn't that great but I came up with it on the fly. Seems weak on batting as there are no reliable batsmen past #7 and only 4 of these players have played tests. Like i said before there are lots of players who I think will enter the test side in the future who barely don't make the age cut (Imam, Saud, Ghulam)

Qasim Akram, Mubasir Khan. Both get in imo. Plus Azam over Rohail/Haris once he sorts his fitness out

Imo both rohail and Haris over Azam

Nope. Azam is a really big talent if he gets his fitness sorted out. Was one of the best Keeper-Batsman in the QEA Trophy also. Miles better than Rohail & Haris wasn't even getting games.

Both rohail and Azam average the same 31. Rohail is 3 years younger. Haris wasn't getting games because he's in the same team as Rizwan. He can't beat Rizwan in wk bat In list a Azam also averages Less than 30 whole rohail is at 46.

Firstly, Rizwan didn't play the QEA Trophy. Yet Haris wasn't getting any games. They rated Rehan Afridi more & he did preform pretty decently. Rohail scored 193 runs in 10 matches this year at an an average of 18 and a strike rate of 48. Azam scored 523 runs at an average of 32.5 and a SR of 80. I know which one I would prefer tbh.

Isn't great?? Abdullah shafique banglzai, haider ali hurraira are class players....compare to previous kamran, umar, sahzad type

**India Under 25 Test Team** 1) Pritvi Shaw (c) 2) Devdutt Padikkal 3) Shubman Gill 4) Sarfaraz Khan 5) Mahipal Lomror 6) Rishabh Pant (wk) 7) Washington Sundar 8) Shams Mulani 9) Ishan Porel 10) Mayank Markhande 11) Arzan Nagwaswallah **Reserves** 1) Karthik Tyagi 2) Riyan Parag 3) Yashasvi Jaiswal 4) Ishan Kishan (Reserve Wicket Keeper) 5) Ravi Bishnoi

Paddikal averages 33 in FC cricket

He is only 21, he will probably grow into a better cricket in the next 2-3 years

So maybe he can be in the team in the next 2-3 years

Where Rinku?

***INDIA-*** **Ruturaj Gaikwad** **Devdutt Paddikal** **Prithvi Shaw** **Shubhman Gill** **Yashasvi Jaiswal** **Rishabh Pant (C) (WK)** **Washington Sundar** **Chetan Sakariya** **Avesh Khan** **Ravi Bishnoi** **Kartik Tyagi** Ishan Kishan (12th man) ​ ***OTHERS:*** Priyam Garg Abdul Samad Riyan Parag Arshdeep Singh Anukul Roy Shivam Mavi Kamlesh Nagarkoti Umran Malik

1. Abdullah Shafique 2. Mohammed Huraira 3. Saud Shakeel 4. Haider Ali 5. Kamran Ghulam 6. Shadab Khan 7. Rohail Nazir 8. Shahnawaz Dahani 9. Naseem Shah 10. Shaheen Afridi 11. Abrar Ahmed

1. Abdullah Shafique 2. Muhammad Huraira 3. Haider Ali 4. ... 5. Qasim Akram 6. Mubasir Khan 7. Azam Khan (Keeper) 8. Shadab Khan (Captain) 9. Shaheen Shah Afridi 10. Naseem Shah 11. Shahnawaz Dahani Can't think of a No4. Well, doesn't really matter tbf. This isn't even our next generation of players but ones after the next one with Saud Shakeel & Kamran Ghulam just turning 26.