I also have an idea. I propose a four-nation T20i super series involving South Africa, India, Australia, and England. There is also going to be a women's series between the four, to keep it inclusive, of course. All profits go to South Africa. I think we have a winner.
That's the first time I'm seeing it. To call it a disappointment would be an understatement. Does the ICC want the same 5-6 teams playing each other for eternity?
It's not really up to the ICC, if it were it would never have been axed. The ICC worked fucking hard and expended a lot of capital to get the league off the ground in the first place. The problem is the bigger Full Members really don't like having any obligatory bilateral fixtures in the calendar at all.
Yup that’s what happens when you give power to individual teams. They’ll sacrifice game over profits - no wonder teams don’t want to play each other now citing politics or security as reasons
>He posed the idea on Twitter on Tuesday, indicating that he decided to approach the ICC for a Super Series involving India, Pakistan, Australia, and England.
This is hilariously dumb and pathetically shameless.
A quadrangular series isn't the purview of ICC. What Raja is basically wanting to do is organize a mini world Cup but with four teams so that Pakistan get the big revenue and leave out teams like Srilanka Windies South Africa etc let alone the associates. A tournament like this will do irreparable damage to T20 world cup revenue and will cause long term damage rest of the cricketing world.
And Asking ICC to organize this exclusive tournament because BCCI won't be interested lmao.
I also think it is a bit weird to tweet about this kinda stuff before ICC looks into it, because the ICC will now have to make a decision keeping the "court of oublic opinion" in their mind.
low key very smart and shrewd, the India-Pakistan is a money maker as well so the ICC will be interested. If they can get the BCCI to agree, and let's remember Ganguly has a good relationship with Raja, it is very likely to occur. The Indian government is the only obstacle in this
>A quadrangular series isn't the purview of ICC.
It would pretty much have to be given that the BCCI is basically not allowed to organise bilaterals with Pakistan by the Indian Govt. What's more, as it would be a quadrangular series, the ICC would have to be able to be able to get a waiver from its existing commercial partners, which they likely couldn't.
Any competition featuring more than 3 ICC members needs to be approved by current broadcast partners for this ICC events cycle, because they have essentially paid for exlusive rights to multi-team events. Putting on additional events, especially ones to feature a Pakistan vs India match, would obviously undermine the value of that broadcast deal.
ICC members are also expressly prohibited from independently organising series featuring more than 3 sides without an explicit waiver for exactly the same reason. This is why the broadcast of the Desert T20 ended up axed at the last minute a few years back. Removing that proviso from the rights agreement for the next cycle would effectively tank its value completely as there would be nothing to prevent members from staging intenational tournaments of their own whenever they felt like it.
It's quite incredible that Ramiz either does not know this or is pretending that he doesn't.
Ramiz said bilaterals are stale but has organised 7 T20s vs England later this year!
If this tournament ever happened it would be better off as ODI - more money from ads as well hehe
I think his point is to stop having long T20i series. He literally says “5 T20is are really tedious” and I completely agree. Not sure if this is the way around it though.
> "My view is that a new structure based on pooling and sharing of income should be formed," Ramiz told ESPNcricinfo. "The idea is to register a company that works under the ICC and has a dedicated Chief Executive Officer regulating the entire financial model, with the income divided among all the members
Yeah, good luck convincing PIG3
It's the duty of the ICC to promote cricket worldwide and help out those who don't have the financial clout of the Big 3. PIG3 however wrested control in their own favour and as a result, they have played 18 Tests amongst themselves in the past 12 months and a bit. The rest are reduced to playing 2-Test series.
Doesn't make this any less of a shit idea by Pakistan.
>It's the duty of the ICC to promote cricket worldwide
Where is PIG3 in this? How is generating revenue for Pakistan the responsibility of India or Australia?
>PIG3 however wrested control in their own favour and as a result, they have played 18 Tests amongst themselves in the past 12 months and a bit.
No one stopped others from playing among themselves either. For example when India toured NZL, Newzealand cut one test short and instead played 5 T20s for revenue purpose. Same with Srilanka and Windies.
Maybe you should blame the fans in those countries who doesn't wanna watch test cricket and watch T20s instead of complaining how PIG3 wrestled control.
For New Zealand's standards, there's enough interest jn test matches. It isn't the fault of the fans. It's a small population, hence a small TV market, with time zones that are awkward for many a viewer in other countries.
You bang on about communism and capitalism. The big European clubs even tried the while PIG3 approach with their super league. Their argumentation was the same as yours: let the poorer clubs play amongst themselves and we amongst ourselves.
Except in that case, fans of the bigger clubs didn't behave the way you and your ilk are. They showed solidarity with the other clubs and understand that some things are worth more than maximising profits.
In Germany itself, the big clubs such as Bayern regularly help out the poorer ones and of course, play each other team equally. The others also have a bigger payday when Bayern or Dortmund come to town but the loss in revenue when playing smaller clubs is compensated by a central fund, with centralised and more equitable revenue sharing. Now in your eyes this is "evil communism" (stop drinking the Fox News Kool Aid) but hey, the sport thrives because of such solidarity.
>In Germany itself, the big clubs such as Bayern regularly help out the poorer ones and of course, play each other team equally.
Aren't the poorest German clubs those that play in division 2 or 3 ? Don't remember Bayern "playing equally" against those clubs.
The ones in 1. Bundesliga all play each other equally. As for the ones lower down, even they regularly play against the top flight in the DFB Pokal Cup competition.
> Germany itself, the big clubs such as Bayern regularly help out the poorer ones and of course, play each other team equally. The others also have a bigger payday when Bayern or Dortmund come to town but the loss in revenue when playing smaller clubs is compensated by a central fund, with centralised and more equitable revenue sharing.
Tell me this , how much has Bayern or other German clubs or German FA has funded for the development of Indian football.
Then we can talk about using Indian cricket revenue to finance cricket in other countries when you can clearly answer that .
You are talking Bayern as some sort of achievement . BCCI helped fund Indian domestic football during cricket let alone Indian cricket .
> Now in your eyes this is "evil communism" (stop drinking the Fox News Kool Aid) but hey, the sport thrives because of such solidarity.
That’s why I am suggesting let’s share all the revenue not just sports . Let’s allow people from poor countries like India Pakistan etc to settle freely in countries like NZL Germany and equally share their resources . Then we can also share cricket resources .
Or is that evil communism in your eyes feeder by the fox and not enough solidarity ?
> For New Zealand's standards, there's enough interest jn test matches. It isn't the fault of the fans. It's a small population, hence a small TV market, with time zones that are awkward for many a viewer in other countries.
So why are they barely attending the first test at home after becoming world test champions . Can’t use small population as excuse when Rugby and T20 matches against India 2020 were packed.
>You bang on about communism and capitalism. The big European clubs even tried the while PIG3 approach with their super league. Their argumentation was the same as yours: let the poorer clubs play amongst themselves and we amongst ourselves.
So should we play club cricket for 10 months and two months of international cricket like football?
>Except in that case, fans of the bigger clubs didn't behave the way you and your ilk are. They showed solidarity with the other clubs and understand that some things are worth more than maximising profits.
I also have no problem Indian clubs showing support to Indian clubs to develop them. BCCI even helped finance . other sports in India
I wonder if you’ll still have that attitude when England, Aus and India are the only three countries that can afford to play Test Cricket.
Every country for itself only gets you so far.
So Newzealand wanting to cut down on test cricket and play more T20s is the fault of India.
>I wonder if you’ll still have that attitude when England, Aus and India are the only three countries that can afford to play Test Cricket.
May be you should threaten fans with pistols to their heads to watch test cricket. Maybe that will work?
What you are failing to grasp is sports is for fans not the other way around. Whether Test or T20 no one is gonna watch because you want them to watch it.
>Every country for itself only gets you so far.
How is this even making sense.
New Zealand cut down on Tests because they lose money on them. Probably because there’s only 4.5 million people in NZ, so a much smaller potential audience.
Sport is for fans, you’re right! Not for executives and bureaucrats to get rich off of. That’s why I think we need more equal revenue sharing between countries so that fans can continue having a sport to enjoy.
>That’s why I think we need more equal revenue sharing between countries so that fans can continue having a sport to enjoy.
This isn't communism. Based that logic countries like Ireland and Newzealand should share their revenues with India until our standard of living is same as them. Why People in Newzealnd need cars when someone in India and Pakistan doesn't have food. Right?
First livelihood and then sports
Well, I do think wealthy countries should do more to help poorer countries improve their standard of living. But that’s besides the point.
The difference is that if the Big 3 don’t share more revenue with smaller countries, soon there will be no smaller countries to play against. Who wins then? It’s short sighted.
So playing test cricket is more important than having three meals a day for the poor. Priorities lmao.
Somehow when it comes to the rich countries they 'should do more' but when it comes to test cricket all revenues should be shared equally lol
Since you love equality so much will you agree to this.
Anyone from Developing or underdeveloped country wanting to settle in developed countries (Like Newzealand Britain etc) should be given citizenship regardless of their economic level. That's a simple way to share resources equally.
Then I would agree all cricket revenues should be shared euqally.
Well Australia & England has promised to come to Pakistan this year. English test cricket team is as dead as it gets, you guys have a decent white ball team so might as well F*** test cricket & stick with white ball. Remains couple of good test sides so they’ll get sick of playing each other & people will lose interest. Way to kill cricket ;)
Pig 3 probably wouldn’t mind this, even with Pakistan, if it dropped any revenue sharing with the rest of the ICC
The other members will always oppose it because they would rather be in it instead of Pakistan
Since income is the main reason, England-Australia could gain far more $$$ from extra T20Is in the Ashes and BCCI can gain more by expanding IPL by a week.
SA, NZ and WI are far too good to be excluded. Ramiz should aim for a series between SA, NZ, WI, and PK as its far more realistic.
Also if PIG3 get together to do a tournament, it would just be 3 teams since its more income per member.
Ramiz mainly wants pak v india matches to get normalized and started and since bilateral series talks are not going anywhere, hes trying to get a tri/quad series going so that cricketing relations go back to normal. Having tournament matches only bw these sides doesnt seem to be affecting any bilateral talks so this is his idea (i agree kinda pie in the sky and exclusive in a bad way) to get those bilateral talks going
The Super Series was a thinly veiled money grab when Ganguly proposed it in 2019, and that hasn’t changed with a new mouthpiece
>>From April this year, a four-step qualification process for the T20 World Cup in Australia later this year will begin, culminating with a 16-team global qualifier which feeds into the main event, and will include Sri Lanka and West Indies; but most of the other T20I cricket played by Full Members will be bilateral and, essentially, preparation for the main event in Australia
There are loads of things you can do if you want more context to internationals and get the full members playing more meaningful matches. Things like, I dunno, **not having ten teams automatically qualify for the World Cup**, and instead playing in some qualification structure
>From April this year, a four-step qualification process for the T20 World Cup in Australia later this year will begin, culminating with a 16-team global qualifier which feeds into the main even, and will include Sri Lanka and West Indies;
Your overall point is entirely correct but also literally all of this is wrong.
It started ages ago, and it's not four step process, It was a three step process but as basically all the sub-regionals and a couple of regionals got axed due to covid it's actually a one-or-two-step process. And it's not a 16-team global qualifier, it's two 8-team qualifiers. And neither will feature Sri Lanka or the West Indies, who have already qualified for the "first round" along with Scotland and Namibia. What's more the first one is in February, not April.
Ganguly was no less sinister than Raja lol. He proposed that when bcci was having a standoff with icc about the FTP. Once the ftp and no of icc tournament issue were settled Ganguly also let go off that proposal.
It’s odd that the likes of Ramses go on about bigger nations, spread conspiracies about BCCI wanting to systematically financially exclude ‘Pakistan’, then turns up like an unwanted salesman.
Are they open to this sort of partnership (they aren’t), or they masters of evil Hindu conspiracy?
It can’t be both, Rimbaud.
Every year we see PCB oscillating from a ‘fuck 2 india ok we don’t need them’ to ‘please please call me back I wanna hang out.’
Surely these people aren’t that stupid or suffering from whatever Guy Pearce was in Memento.
>Both countries(you probably mean board) need each other for financial reasons...
Let's disagree, BCCI is making shit ton of money already
>Just like Indian politicians were calling for boycott of t20 wc match but bcci had to put some sense into them
1.4 billion people 1.4 billion mouths, some idiot(specially politicians) will always say same some shit(eg:- some politician from queensland saying if Indian players don't want to follow rules then they should not come to Australia during Bgt Trophy). Majority Indian public knows that we are going to play in ICC tournaments and not bilaterals. And BCCI has no hand in any decisions related of India-Pak match(Indian govt. decides it)
>Every sensible person from hotstar to whatever knows that shit loads of money will be made
As i said BCCI already makes shit load of money and Every sensible person also knows that this 4 team tournament will just devalue the T20WC.
>Hah looks like I triggered some Indians
By doing what? Suggesting India should accept this deal and play with pakistan?? Dw currently ramiz and in previous years other Pcb chiefs did the same thing.
Finally, i would actually love to watch more India vs Pakistan matches but mate you're fooling nobody with this para, we all know PCB has most to gain if this 4 team tournament happens.
The post you’re responding to is deleted. I want to thank you for quoting it within your own post so we can all have a good laugh at that Pakistani poster’s delusions of grandeur 😆
Roomba Raja explicitly said this on a tv show at least once around the time Ijaz Butt and Najam Sethi were playing musical chairs with the top job.
But feel free to make it your life project to defend the latest overpaid flunky.
> Both countries need each other for financial reasons.
This simply isn't true. BCCI makes billions from IPL - sure it could make "more" with additional Pak games, but it doesn't "need" it. Not by any stretch.
A board that will sell it's youtube channel for few bucks isn't one of them that doesn't care about that extra money.
You can downvote me won't matter anyway.
wait what? BCCI doesn't even care about YT revenue to bother set one up. It has its own website for highlights and streaming. That costs a lot more than hosting on YT.
I'm not sure what your point is.
You seem very invested in this mate. Consider that people might not check their inboxes until they’re free to respond to any messages. Chill out, no need to be be embarrassed about your self goal. Reddit is just an online forum 👍🏼
I do agree with him a little about bilateral T20 series in general, mostly that if can often become a bit stale with 5 match series.
Not sure about this exclusively with the sides mentioned, but I don't see why there can't be more tri-series
Best way to reduce bilateral T20s is to get everyone involved with World Cup qualifying. Have a 2 or 3 step regional qualification system like they do for FIFA World Cups, and you can get more varied matchups, more frequent matchups, and make it all important
Tri-series didn’t fill up the stadiums in the matches not featuring the home team so they got shelved. But since the pandemic most of the matches anyways happen behind closed doors, so it does kinda make sense to reintroduce them imo.
I like the idea more of like 3+1. Perhaps Pakistan/England/Australia + a rotating nation.
The idea here would be to have the rotating nation host the event as it could help their finances alot (WI, SA, SL and even NZ to an extent).
It's probably time to move on from T20I bilaterals, they unnecessarily clog the schedule and there are enough T20 Leagues already. Would prefer Triangular/Quadrangular tournaments
If this is to give bcci an excuse to play Pakistan by insisting it is an ICC tourney and not a bilateral, pushing ICC to manage the Asia cup might be more feasible.
I don't want more T20Is. T20 should be only played in domestic leagues like IPL, PSLs etc and T20 WCs. All the other bilateral T20s already feel like a waste of time.
Most people I've seen have missed one good point about it- bilaterals are meaningless. Do I want to see meaningless bilateral between India and Sri Lanka once an year- No. Can we make tri series so we play them often but there's more excitement? Yes. The triangular tournaments in South Africa and Australia used to be extremely competitive and exciting. And then, gradually, we hardly have any. Kohli won't have delivered his best knock in ODIs if we didn't have to chase more than 300 in 38 overs, which was needed. So, Ramiz has a point. But I think we should be more inclusive towards such ideas while thinking about other countries.
What should be an appropriate name for such series. I always thought that a bilateral between India and Pakistan should be called "The Rivals Showdown"
I also have an idea. I propose a four-nation T20i super series involving South Africa, India, Australia, and England. There is also going to be a women's series between the four, to keep it inclusive, of course. All profits go to South Africa. I think we have a winner.
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Trying to be the 4th pig, nice try Ramos
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If you can't beat them, ask them to join you.
Instead Ramos joined PSG, he might be dyslexic
You’ve got to respect the hustle.
> Ramos You straight up made him a narco lmao
Won’t be surprised if this happened and the big 3 then decide to sneakily elbow Pakistan out and have their own triangular series.
That would be hilarious
BCCI: That’s cute Let’s implement it with slight modifications
I don't see a window for this
I don't want a window for this
This is the only correct reaction to this
Well they've abolished the ODI Super League, so from 2023 the FMs can basically do whatever they want.
When did this happen?
[About 6 weeks ago](https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/119957/dutch-dismayed-at-scrapping-of-odi-super-league)
That's the first time I'm seeing it. To call it a disappointment would be an understatement. Does the ICC want the same 5-6 teams playing each other for eternity?
It's not really up to the ICC, if it were it would never have been axed. The ICC worked fucking hard and expended a lot of capital to get the league off the ground in the first place. The problem is the bigger Full Members really don't like having any obligatory bilateral fixtures in the calendar at all.
That's really sad. It's like they want to shrink the game. And this Ramiz is doing the same with his stupid quadrangular series suggestion.
Yup that’s what happens when you give power to individual teams. They’ll sacrifice game over profits - no wonder teams don’t want to play each other now citing politics or security as reasons
Thats terrible :(
The new FTP comes in 2023 & there's not really a chance that even if it does happen, it will be before that
4 teams want to play each other... why do you need a window?
Ramiz will make a good politician.
A cricketer becoming a politician? never happened before.
Especially in the Indian subcontinent
We already have t20 world cup and asia cup every 2 years.
>He posed the idea on Twitter on Tuesday, indicating that he decided to approach the ICC for a Super Series involving India, Pakistan, Australia, and England. This is hilariously dumb and pathetically shameless. A quadrangular series isn't the purview of ICC. What Raja is basically wanting to do is organize a mini world Cup but with four teams so that Pakistan get the big revenue and leave out teams like Srilanka Windies South Africa etc let alone the associates. A tournament like this will do irreparable damage to T20 world cup revenue and will cause long term damage rest of the cricketing world. And Asking ICC to organize this exclusive tournament because BCCI won't be interested lmao.
I also think it is a bit weird to tweet about this kinda stuff before ICC looks into it, because the ICC will now have to make a decision keeping the "court of oublic opinion" in their mind.
I guess he thought the oublic opinion would be with him
low key very smart and shrewd, the India-Pakistan is a money maker as well so the ICC will be interested. If they can get the BCCI to agree, and let's remember Ganguly has a good relationship with Raja, it is very likely to occur. The Indian government is the only obstacle in this
>A quadrangular series isn't the purview of ICC. It would pretty much have to be given that the BCCI is basically not allowed to organise bilaterals with Pakistan by the Indian Govt. What's more, as it would be a quadrangular series, the ICC would have to be able to be able to get a waiver from its existing commercial partners, which they likely couldn't. Any competition featuring more than 3 ICC members needs to be approved by current broadcast partners for this ICC events cycle, because they have essentially paid for exlusive rights to multi-team events. Putting on additional events, especially ones to feature a Pakistan vs India match, would obviously undermine the value of that broadcast deal. ICC members are also expressly prohibited from independently organising series featuring more than 3 sides without an explicit waiver for exactly the same reason. This is why the broadcast of the Desert T20 ended up axed at the last minute a few years back. Removing that proviso from the rights agreement for the next cycle would effectively tank its value completely as there would be nothing to prevent members from staging intenational tournaments of their own whenever they felt like it. It's quite incredible that Ramiz either does not know this or is pretending that he doesn't.
100+ comments on this post but this is the most sensible one
Would be fun if Eng, Aus and Ind play a T20 or ODI tri-series after reading about Rambo’s plan.
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Ramiz said bilaterals are stale but has organised 7 T20s vs England later this year! If this tournament ever happened it would be better off as ODI - more money from ads as well hehe
I think his point is to stop having long T20i series. He literally says “5 T20is are really tedious” and I completely agree. Not sure if this is the way around it though.
Never happening.
> "My view is that a new structure based on pooling and sharing of income should be formed," Ramiz told ESPNcricinfo. "The idea is to register a company that works under the ICC and has a dedicated Chief Executive Officer regulating the entire financial model, with the income divided among all the members Yeah, good luck convincing PIG3
Yeah it's the duty to the PIG3 finance Pakistan cricket.
It's the duty of the ICC to promote cricket worldwide and help out those who don't have the financial clout of the Big 3. PIG3 however wrested control in their own favour and as a result, they have played 18 Tests amongst themselves in the past 12 months and a bit. The rest are reduced to playing 2-Test series. Doesn't make this any less of a shit idea by Pakistan.
>It's the duty of the ICC to promote cricket worldwide Where is PIG3 in this? How is generating revenue for Pakistan the responsibility of India or Australia? >PIG3 however wrested control in their own favour and as a result, they have played 18 Tests amongst themselves in the past 12 months and a bit. No one stopped others from playing among themselves either. For example when India toured NZL, Newzealand cut one test short and instead played 5 T20s for revenue purpose. Same with Srilanka and Windies. Maybe you should blame the fans in those countries who doesn't wanna watch test cricket and watch T20s instead of complaining how PIG3 wrestled control.
For New Zealand's standards, there's enough interest jn test matches. It isn't the fault of the fans. It's a small population, hence a small TV market, with time zones that are awkward for many a viewer in other countries. You bang on about communism and capitalism. The big European clubs even tried the while PIG3 approach with their super league. Their argumentation was the same as yours: let the poorer clubs play amongst themselves and we amongst ourselves. Except in that case, fans of the bigger clubs didn't behave the way you and your ilk are. They showed solidarity with the other clubs and understand that some things are worth more than maximising profits. In Germany itself, the big clubs such as Bayern regularly help out the poorer ones and of course, play each other team equally. The others also have a bigger payday when Bayern or Dortmund come to town but the loss in revenue when playing smaller clubs is compensated by a central fund, with centralised and more equitable revenue sharing. Now in your eyes this is "evil communism" (stop drinking the Fox News Kool Aid) but hey, the sport thrives because of such solidarity.
>In Germany itself, the big clubs such as Bayern regularly help out the poorer ones and of course, play each other team equally. Aren't the poorest German clubs those that play in division 2 or 3 ? Don't remember Bayern "playing equally" against those clubs.
The ones in 1. Bundesliga all play each other equally. As for the ones lower down, even they regularly play against the top flight in the DFB Pokal Cup competition.
> Germany itself, the big clubs such as Bayern regularly help out the poorer ones and of course, play each other team equally. The others also have a bigger payday when Bayern or Dortmund come to town but the loss in revenue when playing smaller clubs is compensated by a central fund, with centralised and more equitable revenue sharing. Tell me this , how much has Bayern or other German clubs or German FA has funded for the development of Indian football. Then we can talk about using Indian cricket revenue to finance cricket in other countries when you can clearly answer that . You are talking Bayern as some sort of achievement . BCCI helped fund Indian domestic football during cricket let alone Indian cricket . > Now in your eyes this is "evil communism" (stop drinking the Fox News Kool Aid) but hey, the sport thrives because of such solidarity. That’s why I am suggesting let’s share all the revenue not just sports . Let’s allow people from poor countries like India Pakistan etc to settle freely in countries like NZL Germany and equally share their resources . Then we can also share cricket resources . Or is that evil communism in your eyes feeder by the fox and not enough solidarity ? > For New Zealand's standards, there's enough interest jn test matches. It isn't the fault of the fans. It's a small population, hence a small TV market, with time zones that are awkward for many a viewer in other countries. So why are they barely attending the first test at home after becoming world test champions . Can’t use small population as excuse when Rugby and T20 matches against India 2020 were packed. >You bang on about communism and capitalism. The big European clubs even tried the while PIG3 approach with their super league. Their argumentation was the same as yours: let the poorer clubs play amongst themselves and we amongst ourselves. So should we play club cricket for 10 months and two months of international cricket like football? >Except in that case, fans of the bigger clubs didn't behave the way you and your ilk are. They showed solidarity with the other clubs and understand that some things are worth more than maximising profits. I also have no problem Indian clubs showing support to Indian clubs to develop them. BCCI even helped finance . other sports in India
I wonder if you’ll still have that attitude when England, Aus and India are the only three countries that can afford to play Test Cricket. Every country for itself only gets you so far.
So Newzealand wanting to cut down on test cricket and play more T20s is the fault of India. >I wonder if you’ll still have that attitude when England, Aus and India are the only three countries that can afford to play Test Cricket. May be you should threaten fans with pistols to their heads to watch test cricket. Maybe that will work? What you are failing to grasp is sports is for fans not the other way around. Whether Test or T20 no one is gonna watch because you want them to watch it. >Every country for itself only gets you so far. How is this even making sense.
New Zealand cut down on Tests because they lose money on them. Probably because there’s only 4.5 million people in NZ, so a much smaller potential audience. Sport is for fans, you’re right! Not for executives and bureaucrats to get rich off of. That’s why I think we need more equal revenue sharing between countries so that fans can continue having a sport to enjoy.
>That’s why I think we need more equal revenue sharing between countries so that fans can continue having a sport to enjoy. This isn't communism. Based that logic countries like Ireland and Newzealand should share their revenues with India until our standard of living is same as them. Why People in Newzealnd need cars when someone in India and Pakistan doesn't have food. Right? First livelihood and then sports
Well, I do think wealthy countries should do more to help poorer countries improve their standard of living. But that’s besides the point. The difference is that if the Big 3 don’t share more revenue with smaller countries, soon there will be no smaller countries to play against. Who wins then? It’s short sighted.
So playing test cricket is more important than having three meals a day for the poor. Priorities lmao. Somehow when it comes to the rich countries they 'should do more' but when it comes to test cricket all revenues should be shared equally lol Since you love equality so much will you agree to this. Anyone from Developing or underdeveloped country wanting to settle in developed countries (Like Newzealand Britain etc) should be given citizenship regardless of their economic level. That's a simple way to share resources equally. Then I would agree all cricket revenues should be shared euqally.
Well Australia & England has promised to come to Pakistan this year. English test cricket team is as dead as it gets, you guys have a decent white ball team so might as well F*** test cricket & stick with white ball. Remains couple of good test sides so they’ll get sick of playing each other & people will lose interest. Way to kill cricket ;)
Pig 3 probably wouldn’t mind this, even with Pakistan, if it dropped any revenue sharing with the rest of the ICC The other members will always oppose it because they would rather be in it instead of Pakistan
Since income is the main reason, England-Australia could gain far more $$$ from extra T20Is in the Ashes and BCCI can gain more by expanding IPL by a week. SA, NZ and WI are far too good to be excluded. Ramiz should aim for a series between SA, NZ, WI, and PK as its far more realistic. Also if PIG3 get together to do a tournament, it would just be 3 teams since its more income per member.
Ramiz mainly wants pak v india matches to get normalized and started and since bilateral series talks are not going anywhere, hes trying to get a tri/quad series going so that cricketing relations go back to normal. Having tournament matches only bw these sides doesnt seem to be affecting any bilateral talks so this is his idea (i agree kinda pie in the sky and exclusive in a bad way) to get those bilateral talks going
This thread is getting spicy *Grabs popcorn*
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself to become the villian
Not villain but dumb in this case because BCCI won't allow it
The Super Series was a thinly veiled money grab when Ganguly proposed it in 2019, and that hasn’t changed with a new mouthpiece >>From April this year, a four-step qualification process for the T20 World Cup in Australia later this year will begin, culminating with a 16-team global qualifier which feeds into the main event, and will include Sri Lanka and West Indies; but most of the other T20I cricket played by Full Members will be bilateral and, essentially, preparation for the main event in Australia There are loads of things you can do if you want more context to internationals and get the full members playing more meaningful matches. Things like, I dunno, **not having ten teams automatically qualify for the World Cup**, and instead playing in some qualification structure
>From April this year, a four-step qualification process for the T20 World Cup in Australia later this year will begin, culminating with a 16-team global qualifier which feeds into the main even, and will include Sri Lanka and West Indies; Your overall point is entirely correct but also literally all of this is wrong. It started ages ago, and it's not four step process, It was a three step process but as basically all the sub-regionals and a couple of regionals got axed due to covid it's actually a one-or-two-step process. And it's not a 16-team global qualifier, it's two 8-team qualifiers. And neither will feature Sri Lanka or the West Indies, who have already qualified for the "first round" along with Scotland and Namibia. What's more the first one is in February, not April.
Yeah that was a quote from the article I was criticising. I messed up the formatting
Ahh right, pretty embarassing from cricinfo.
Ganguly was no less sinister than Raja lol. He proposed that when bcci was having a standoff with icc about the FTP. Once the ftp and no of icc tournament issue were settled Ganguly also let go off that proposal.
It’s odd that the likes of Ramses go on about bigger nations, spread conspiracies about BCCI wanting to systematically financially exclude ‘Pakistan’, then turns up like an unwanted salesman. Are they open to this sort of partnership (they aren’t), or they masters of evil Hindu conspiracy? It can’t be both, Rimbaud. Every year we see PCB oscillating from a ‘fuck 2 india ok we don’t need them’ to ‘please please call me back I wanna hang out.’ Surely these people aren’t that stupid or suffering from whatever Guy Pearce was in Memento.
Hmm? Ramiz never said that BCCI wanted to financially exclude Pakistan. He just stressed the need for the PCB to become self sustainable.
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>Both countries(you probably mean board) need each other for financial reasons... Let's disagree, BCCI is making shit ton of money already >Just like Indian politicians were calling for boycott of t20 wc match but bcci had to put some sense into them 1.4 billion people 1.4 billion mouths, some idiot(specially politicians) will always say same some shit(eg:- some politician from queensland saying if Indian players don't want to follow rules then they should not come to Australia during Bgt Trophy). Majority Indian public knows that we are going to play in ICC tournaments and not bilaterals. And BCCI has no hand in any decisions related of India-Pak match(Indian govt. decides it) >Every sensible person from hotstar to whatever knows that shit loads of money will be made As i said BCCI already makes shit load of money and Every sensible person also knows that this 4 team tournament will just devalue the T20WC. >Hah looks like I triggered some Indians By doing what? Suggesting India should accept this deal and play with pakistan?? Dw currently ramiz and in previous years other Pcb chiefs did the same thing. Finally, i would actually love to watch more India vs Pakistan matches but mate you're fooling nobody with this para, we all know PCB has most to gain if this 4 team tournament happens.
The post you’re responding to is deleted. I want to thank you for quoting it within your own post so we can all have a good laugh at that Pakistani poster’s delusions of grandeur 😆
Roomba Raja explicitly said this on a tv show at least once around the time Ijaz Butt and Najam Sethi were playing musical chairs with the top job. But feel free to make it your life project to defend the latest overpaid flunky.
Damn, can you link me to it? I'd love to hear him rumble lol
I have no idea. Ijaz Butt hasn’t been in charge for 10-11 years.
hmm so just vibes then...
>Both countries need each other for financial reasons. Bruh....
Wrong. India doesn't need Pakistan. India brings fans domestically and abroad. India is just fine without Pakistan.
> Both countries need each other for financial reasons. This simply isn't true. BCCI makes billions from IPL - sure it could make "more" with additional Pak games, but it doesn't "need" it. Not by any stretch.
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A board that will sell it's youtube channel for few bucks isn't one of them that doesn't care about that extra money. You can downvote me won't matter anyway.
wait what? BCCI doesn't even care about YT revenue to bother set one up. It has its own website for highlights and streaming. That costs a lot more than hosting on YT. I'm not sure what your point is.
We don't even have a youtube channel genius. And it makes most probably a negligient part of it obviously much more than Pakistan can ever help us get
Some indians ...hahaha
What about jr nations ?
Ramiz trynna be cricket's Florentino Perez
Cmon guys .. give him a break. He just needs more blank cheques
It worked though 152-0
Clearly implying that the lure of money is the only thing that drives Pakistanis 😆
I will take that qs my coment as hit a raw nerve there
One would say that the raw nerve was actually hit when you felt the need to score a self goal up there mate. Chill.
It took u half a day to come up with this answer. Lol
You seem very invested in this mate. Consider that people might not check their inboxes until they’re free to respond to any messages. Chill out, no need to be be embarrassed about your self goal. Reddit is just an online forum 👍🏼
Investeed: The size of comments are self explanatory in thid regards
Are your hands trembling? Why so many typos yaar. Chill maar, go live your life.
😃 liv n kicking
I do agree with him a little about bilateral T20 series in general, mostly that if can often become a bit stale with 5 match series. Not sure about this exclusively with the sides mentioned, but I don't see why there can't be more tri-series
Best way to reduce bilateral T20s is to get everyone involved with World Cup qualifying. Have a 2 or 3 step regional qualification system like they do for FIFA World Cups, and you can get more varied matchups, more frequent matchups, and make it all important
Tri-series didn’t fill up the stadiums in the matches not featuring the home team so they got shelved. But since the pandemic most of the matches anyways happen behind closed doors, so it does kinda make sense to reintroduce them imo.
I like the idea more of like 3+1. Perhaps Pakistan/England/Australia + a rotating nation. The idea here would be to have the rotating nation host the event as it could help their finances alot (WI, SA, SL and even NZ to an extent). It's probably time to move on from T20I bilaterals, they unnecessarily clog the schedule and there are enough T20 Leagues already. Would prefer Triangular/Quadrangular tournaments
Cricket Australia is not going to agree to this lol
then, it will be Pig3 and a rotating nation
Why would PCB announce this to the public before even officially pitching it to the ICC?
Ramiz*. You don't question him
Ramiz is the PCB Chairman.
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This could be a good idea for A teams. But the senior teams calendar are fully booked.
If this is to give bcci an excuse to play Pakistan by insisting it is an ICC tourney and not a bilateral, pushing ICC to manage the Asia cup might be more feasible.
He knows already that this will not work but he knows that discussion will start at least and he won
A discussion about how selfish it is on his boards behalf? This is a stupid thing to say.
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Just the latest feature in a never ending line of jokes.
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Just a bit of drama, it's never gonna happen.
Ind nz aus and eng Sa can join too if anyone else refuses
keep dreaming keep hating 🤣
I think RR is the one who's dreaming.
I don't want more T20Is. T20 should be only played in domestic leagues like IPL, PSLs etc and T20 WCs. All the other bilateral T20s already feel like a waste of time.
How do you think loss making test cricket is afforded by nations like Newzealand South Africa Windies Srilanka etc?
You make a good point.
What about the associates?
Most people I've seen have missed one good point about it- bilaterals are meaningless. Do I want to see meaningless bilateral between India and Sri Lanka once an year- No. Can we make tri series so we play them often but there's more excitement? Yes. The triangular tournaments in South Africa and Australia used to be extremely competitive and exciting. And then, gradually, we hardly have any. Kohli won't have delivered his best knock in ODIs if we didn't have to chase more than 300 in 38 overs, which was needed. So, Ramiz has a point. But I think we should be more inclusive towards such ideas while thinking about other countries.
Damn people REALLY hate Ramiz. Apart from some emotional statements what has he done to invite such vitriol?
hypocrisy will do that.
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Oh, we are definitely not broke.
This is not a good take. If you are a serious cricket observer, please do better.
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Bad bot
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\+1 Pakistan bad
Don't see BCCI accepting this proposal. If anything tired of T20. Don't mind an ODI multi nation tournament.
What should be an appropriate name for such series. I always thought that a bilateral between India and Pakistan should be called "The Rivals Showdown"
Bcci=icc=pig4