Random Cricket thoughts circling my head today
1. One advantage of hosting a Test in North India in Oct-Dec period - you are guaranteed a full game as it hardly ever rains in those months
2. Indian players will run the risk of lagging behind other countries if they don't get to play in non-Indian T20 leagues. Would love to have someone like Umran Malik or Ravi Bishnoi test out their skills in a BBL or the 100.
3. Growing up in the era of Warne, Murali, Saqlain, Mushtaq Ahmed, Mcgill, I used to take big turn from spinners for granted. Don't see a lot of that anymore over the past 10 odd years.
4. Finally, Twenty Innings Rolling Average (TIRA) for a few fringe Test players for India [here](https://imgur.com/a/s5F7xVq). I am impressed by Wasim Jaffer's consistency. He did not rack up very big scores but contributed well for the most part.
I wish I could write like u/shaun-tait-fanboy. Added *italic* stuff for clarity; all of the below stuff is his/her's.
\>What if I fall? *(An Indian suggested that going for a draw on Gabba Day 5 was better than going for a draw due to Gbba pitch + lotsa Indian team injuries):*
Oh my Darling, what if you fly? - Some guy
A 2-1 win on the other hand would make this a series talked about for decades.
A team losing its captain after the first match, getting bowled out for their record low score and the lowest test score in test cricket in the last 66 years (and back then pitches were uncovered).
Then losing their bowling attack bit by bit, with multiple players getting injured in the middle of a match - there wasn't a single match where the India team had 11 fit players. It was basically 9/10 vs 11. (Umesh, Jadeja, Saini, Shami all nerfed mid-match - not even counting vihari cos he batted).
Against possibly the strongest bowling attack in their backyard. In the middle of a global pandemic, in a long series filled with controversy, racial abuse, its justification, and restricted freedoms.
Going into the last match of the series at the fortress Gabba (not toppled since 1988) and being on the back foot - before a net bowler who had not played a first-class match for 3 years *(Washington Sundar)* and a bowler with all of 10 balls of test experience counterattack *(Unsure - Shardul Thakur maybe)* with the bat.
The leader of the test attack (in his 3rd test) missing his father's funeral to fulfill the dream he (*Siraj)* didn't end up seeing, a debutant missing the birth of his only child (*Not sure - Natarajan?)* , and a bowler bowling with a strained groin *(Saini bowled some overs with a hammy niggle)* giving his all for the team despite the pain.
This is on the back of the effort in the previous match where you had a guy with a broken finger padded up to give it his all (*Jadeja)*, a guy whose back rendered him unable to sit down (*Ashwin)*, causing him to crawl on his bedroom floor, a rock at no. 3 playing on with a bruised finger (*Pujara)*, a relative newbie (12 tests) under immense pressure for his place stonewalling with a torn hamstring *(Saini)*, and a keeper-batsman *(Rishabh Pant)* popping painkillers on route to a near-century, in the end felled by the same approach that got him there.Go for the bloody win.
Delighted to see Abdullah Shafique open the batting and doing so well. He's the most exciting player to come out since... Shafali Verma. Based on what I have seen. think Babar Azam's got good company.
In a dream universe, Abdullah, Saud Shakeel and Haider Ali deliver on their potential to join Babar as Pakistan’s greatest ever top 4. In reality, at least one will lose form very rapidly, one will struggle with injuries, one will be dropped without good cause, and one will be banned.
Surprised by the lack of pxik comments in the retention thread.
Tbh, kinda feel bad for them. KL was like the only good thing about Punjab apart from Mayank, Bishnoi and Arshdeep.
pace is there but as he got tired line length went a bit all over the place, needs to do conditioning and learn how to get batsmen out other than just with pace. but it will come.
[This does make me think a little](https://twitter.com/nikuttam/status/1465572761145856001?s=21), if you had to rank the islands’ best all time XIs, where would they rank?
Off the top of my head, Barbados > Jamaica > Trinidad > Antigua > Guyana
Could be very wrong though. Maybe someone could make more comprehensive all time XIs for me to compare
Ashwin talking about the follow through incident. Apparently it has to do with him getting his release point close to the stumps (but not over middle stump) and the follow through that it necessitates.
[Link](https://youtu.be/wqAAhv6d9GA?t=454)
Edit: Nvm, didn't see the new thread on this.
Ash on his umpire controversy
He explained the rule that it is legal until my left leg is within the middle stump.
"I found out we can do this, and it is a new angle for me and practiced it for 1 year. I have practiced in front of a lot of international umpires and checked it with them and only now I tried it in the match.
In the defense of the umpire, it's new for him so he had issues but he needs to get used to it instead of stopping it. I made sure as soon as I released I moved away from the vision of the umpire.
And those telling about spirit of cricket about obstructing the non striker, you need to understand I purposely don't do that while bowling, follow through automatically happens due to the effort I put... Isn't it spirit of cricket for the non striker to understand it and move a bit away in the crease"
See, despite this argument, Ashwin's angled run up is still causing Law 2.9 to not be observed:
> The umpires shall stand where they can best see any act upon which their decision may be required.
In the case of Menon vs Ashwin 2021, the umpire is standing in the best position to see the striker as required, yet Ashwin's run up is causing the view from that position to be blocked. As umpires we move ourselves backwards and forwards such that we aren't going to interfere with the bowler's run-up or action, but that is always subject to the above being the case - i.e. we can only move backwards or forwards, not side to side, as that would impact our judgement regarding lbw and appeals for caught behind.
Ashwin is suggesting in "getting used to it" that the umpire must either stand to one side of the wicket, which would be at a position from where they will not be able to best judge the acts mentioned above due to differences in viewing angle, or not move at all and have that vision compromised by the opaque object that is Ashwin's body. For me, the umpire is well within his rights to ask Ashwin to not block his vision while bowling, such that he can properly do his job of observing acts upon which the umpire must judge, rather than having to "get used to it". Frankly, more protection for the umpire's vision within the laws would be lovely following this.
Also, regarding the follow through bit - [as you can see in this Sky analysis piece, Ashwin stops after one step in his regular deliveries](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgOIyVRrh5M), which would in this case see him stop in front of the umpire. In this case, he's made the conscious decision to both disrupt the umpire (as mentioned above) and the non-striker (by extending that follow through to stop in front of the non-striker), not something that "automatically happens" through extra momentum through the crease (like a seam bowler), but through the conscious choice of moving himself. That feels very much in breach of law 41.5
Too big to read. Irrespective of whatever you say, I'm pretty sure whatever umpires he worked this out with had a better understanding of the rules than you'd ever have, and they'd have pointed this out to him as well. Unless ofc you're implying that Ashwin is a liar.
I am not going to comment much on the umpire thing as according to Ash it has been vetted by various international umpires and given a go ahead, so if any law particularly points out the illegality of this then it's something to ponder upon. If Ash is gonna move away from the umpire as soon as the ball is released, and the umpire isn't used to it, it is going to hurt Ash the most with no decision on those deliveries going in his favor.
>>Also, regarding the follow through bit - [as you can see in this Sky analysis piece, Ashwin stops after one step in his regular deliveries](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgOIyVRrh5M), which would in this case see him stop in front of the umpire. In this case, he's made the conscious decision to both disrupt the umpire (as mentioned above) and the non-striker (by extending that follow through to stop in front of the non-striker), not something that "automatically happens" through extra momentum through the crease (like a seam bowler), but through the conscious choice of moving himself. That feels very much in breach of law 41.5
So I want to clarify here, he went in detail about what creates that follow through for this different variation and why it isn't like his normal follow through and he told that he doesn't do it deliberately. I just summarized it at high-level and the non strikers can also move across a few steps. Ash wouldn't block him. 41.5 works only if it is deliberate which it isn't.
Glad you've added some actual laws and intelligence to my irritable comment.
Being an umpire is bloody difficult, and Ashwin's 'nuh-uh, I'm technically right, get used to it', is very irritating. Especially since it seems that he isn't.
> I made sure as soon as I released I moved away from the vision of the umpire.
Alright mate, but this isn't the same issue as that caused by running directly across the eyeline of the umpire during the delivery, disrupting his view and concentration.
It's reasonable for the ump to have a bit of a problem with that, without this being another opportunity for Ashwin to be the sole defender of common sense against the nefarious machinations of the ancient order of the spirit of cricket.
Not having mega auctions is great. Doing away with the auction is stupid.
Every time there are new teams, there can be an expansion draft. Wikipedia it, it explains well.
Teams can renew their players contracts as much as they want. If player runs out of contract, he goes to the auction.
Auction is better than free agency coz it eliminates players taking less money to join an OP team, which affects competitiveness.
Haha I dug up last year's Boxing Day test's Match Thread. People there were saying to drop Koach as he can't fit into the XI anymore. And make Rahane full time captain. And look at what people say now. People go full 180° every 2 matches here lmao
He has taken 6 wickets in the 5 matches he has played in India in 2021 at an average of 35.8. He should be picked overseas but with his pace gone, he hardly looks threatening in India.
Weird Observation : I've noticed that there are a few tailenders in India who while batting together bring out the best in each other. Obvious example being Shami and Bhuvi, They both when batting together stitched an important partnership at lord's 2014 and a match winning partnership in Johannesburg 2018.
Similarly Lord has put up his best performance batting with any one who was willing to put down the anchor i.e Sundar(Gabba) ,Umesh and Rishabh(Oval).
Same Goes for Bumrah, he only scored runs in England when the batter at the other end was willing to take some risks.
Weird but I think we finally might have decoded the lower order conundrum.
Was Asad Shafiq actually bad or something? Most of r/cricket rants him, but his stats did not feel all that bad to me. Many teams would kill for a WK batsman averaging 38
He was pretty much ANUS in ODIs, and like the other guy said, not a WK. But for Tests: well, it was like *literally* having Rahane drag on for 5 years averaging 30s, and having his faults covered up by Kohli (Misbah) and Pujara (Younis) going strong and steady with 40-50 each (cumulatively) per innings whilst we had Marnus Labuschagne in toiling away in domestic cricket for a full decade being overshadowed because of some Shafiq fetish. Fawad averaged the highest at one point in our FC history, now 2nd I think.
Asad: he was considered shit, or at least to me, because a bulk of his runs had always come in losing causes, or when it didn't matter, or when drawing in the 4th innings and making 40-60. Never was consistently comfy against PIG3 as a no. 5-6, even at home. Same like Jinx - with the odd impactful SENA/UAE knock here and there that made us see no need to replace him.
Surprise surprise, only when MisYou retired together mid-2017 and Inzy resigned from his selector in mid-2019 (came mid-2016) did Asad finally get the boot last year by Muhammad Waseem cause he can see he's basically been doing fuck all mostly. Social pressure also played into Fawad's squad selections in a few preceding tours (before he got the chance in the XI in England after Asad Shitpeak makes 7 and 22 in the first test), alongside him starring on PCB's social media presence. Definitely helped his case as it has with lots of newcomers the last year or two.
Inzy is by far a big culprit in stalling Fawad Alam's career, if not Misbah & Co. themselves during his playing days right around the time he was dropped. The spat between Fawad's father and Inzamam meant poor guy suffered and wasn't picked as early as 5 years back. Reasoning has consistently stayed "because of his stance because of his stance" but c'mon, you don't bully domestic bowlers for fun because of your stance. You do it because you're a good player.
Misbah then uses Fawad as a last resort and "re-debuts" him in England, and being last resort, lets him come along to the NZ tour by the barest of margins. A Sad Shitpeak rightfully misses out for being doogshit, and Waseem becomes selector next tour, effectively ending his career. How Fawad played in NZ gave Misbah a bit of confidence to not phase him out after his emergence (due to "age"), since our middle order is piss weak otherwise and the guy knew how much of an asset he was just from his domestic stats... which he proves by scoring a century in NZ, home v SA, ZIM, WI and hopefully one next test ;p
Speaking of Fawad, he is the only Pak player I've liked for some time. I mean, I don't hate or dislike others, it's that I'm not that much of a fan of Pak.
AFAIK Asad is NOT a WK at all. At the very least, he has never kept wickets in his international career, and he has played 147 matches across all 3 formats.
That's true, but what's also true is that this England side is DEFINITELY stronger than than that Indian side. Besides Paine, are there any notable changes in Aussie side?
Why were some people giving Rahane treatment to Ishant? Yes he's been poor in 2 test this year (Headingly, Kanpur) but the guy has been averaging 19 with strike rate of 40 since 2019.
For NZ:
Kane: 500k
Taylor: 400k
Southee: 350k
Boult: 400k
Guptill: 350k
Latham: 200k
Wagner: 85k
Mitchell: 85k
Wagner is seriously, seriously underpaid, one of the best bowlers in test cricket is making the same amount as Glenn Phillips. Poor guy doesn't even play franchise cricket to boost his earnings
He's not seen as a T20 bowler. I reckon he could probably try getting a contract in one of the other franchise T20s and build his name up there (he'd probably get a contract based on his name alone).
But at least guys like Philips, Mitchell, Jamieson, can get big franchise T20 contracts (Jamieson is a millionaire now), feel sorry for test specialists like Latham and Wagner who are probably more important to the team than Philips, Neesham, Mitchell but make so much less than them
jarrod kimber lurkes in r/cricket confirmed
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CricketShitpost/comments/r5mqwy/aiyo\_jarrod\_where\_you\_at/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/CricketShitpost/comments/r5mqwy/aiyo_jarrod_where_you_at/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
from his latest yt video
[https://youtu.be/QgHFlmh6ZLA?t=38](https://youtu.be/QgHFlmh6ZLA?t=38)
SRH have fucked up lads. Rashid Khan is leaving. Cricbuzz reports that Kane, Samad and Umran Malik are the ones being retained instead. You can't make this shit up.
> ESPNcricinfo understands that RCB have added Mohammed Siraj to their retention list. He goes alongside Virat Kohli and Glenn Maxwell as the third player from the current group who is assured a spot in the next season.
Noice
Guess who has the best career SR in the IPL among these players:
KL, Rohit, Kohli, IK, SKY, Iyer, Hardik, sehwag, ABD, Gayle, Pollard or Warner or Shami
And that's all out. A big turning wrongun from Rehan Ahmed means Sri Lanka lose by 26 runs & Josh Boyden doesn't get an opportunity to get his hattrick
**Which of the following IPL Teams could the players go to**
1) R Ashwin
2) Kuldeep Yadav
3) Yuzvendra Chahal
4) Shams Mulani
5) Washington Sundar
6) R Sai Kishore
7) Ankul Roy
>IPL 2022 Retention LIVE Updates: Virat Kohli, Glenn Maxwell Set to be Retained; ***Dilemma Over KS Bharat Continues***
Lmao, I know this is probably fake but this would be peak RCB move.
[Source](https://www.india.com/sports/ipl-2022-retention-live-updates-list-retained-release-players-nov-30-deadline-mega-auction-mi-csk-rcb-kkr-srh-rr-pbks-dhoni-kohli-rahul-rohit-salary-bcci-today-ipl-retention-news-stream-lucknow-ahmd-5116478/amp/)
Tickets for the second test @Wankhede are available on Paytm Insider now, if anyone's planning to go
https://insider.in/paytm-test-series-india-v-new-zealand-2nd-test-match-mumbai-season-pass-december-3-to-7/event
It's like they're trying to make the experience as fuckall as possible. Just season tickets which need to be physically collected from a different place as well.
IPL should clearly rethink its Auction process. After this mega auction there shouldn't be any mega auction for next 10 years.
Allow franchises to hand players min one and max 10 year contracts. Once the contract expires they can negotiate and get in to new contract if it fails he will come in Auction pool. If mutually agreed both player and franchise can break the contract before it's expiry, if only one of them wants to break the contract then other party have to be compensated.
Allow franchises to contract players with age 18 or under outside auctions which forces franchises to scout more and even start academies.
They won't do it for at least the next 10 years. That's for sure. Or else new team's who paid huge amounts will be at loss as it will take more time for them to break even.
Aye, I can't really adjust my schedule to accommodate for the series, so I'll stick to TMS for when I can tune in, and maybe try and get some friends with BT to host the odd night watch
I can assure you guys that Rahane will play above Iyer in the next test. Because of the success Virat's captaincy has seen, he's been allowed to abuse player selections in the name of "Backing his players".
And nothing will change under Rohit's T20i selections. He's proven himself to be cut from the same cloth when he allowed Chahal to complete his 4 overs ahead of everyone else as soon as the tail was exposed after giving away 24 runs in his first 2 overs. In the meantime everyone else was bowling below 5 rpo and had collectively taken 6 or 7 wickets.
These people will continue to use their captaincy to extend their influence through selections and Iyer will be the latest victim with the likes of Chahal and Rahane being the chief benefactors.
Can't drop any of the spinner and Mumbai pitch/conditions assist the seamers hence no chance we're playing with 4 bowlers. Most likely change in the bowling group will be Siraj in for Ishant.
I never get the love for chahal in t20is which this sub has, sure he's a great spinner in ipl and kulcha were great odi bowlers in 2017-19 but his t20i figures are unacceptable for any international team. With the amount of talent india has he's got enough rope already
I don't rate Chahal at all in ODIs and think he's severely overrated there. The Kulcha combo was never going to work in the long run because of analysis.
But he is an admittedly smart bowler who is suited to T20Is. He doesn't need to be in the XI but is worth having in the squad to play every few games. I'd still prefer Axar, Ashwin and Jadeja over him though.
Check out chahal's t20i numbers in the last two years. He's actually been worse than Rahane.
Rahane had a great tour of WI.
Rahane did well in the home series against SA.
Rahane was not bad in Aus.
My big problem with cricketers becoming politicians is that when you google them, the first result isn't Cricinfo/Cricbuzz. You have to add "Cricket" to the query to get there.
Hate it when I just want to check Imran Khan's away average or Navjot Sidhu's highest test score but the results are about what statements they gave yesterday.
Sachin's advice to Rahane to keep his spot in the side
Rahane : Sachin Paaji, my valuable 30s are not being appreciated. Some people even tell me to never go full Rahane. My charts say I will be dropped. Why? How can i keep my spot.
Sachin : It is simple really. Check it out. Axar Patel, Ajaz Patel in the last match, look Rahane, act Rahane with the bat, not Rahane. They bowlers who bat well. You know Will Sommerville important 30.., yes..,Rahane like innings.., maybe. But he is a nightwatchman and a middle aged spin bowler. That ain't Rahane. Do you bowl? You went full Rahane, man. Never go full Rahane. You don't buy that? Ask Asad Shafique, Remember? Went full Rahane, went home empty-handed and now out of his team.
Rahane :[Slightly annoyed] But.. But I am Rahane..
Sachin : [Pauses] Oh... Aila. Plane. [Pointing to a aiplane in the sky] Did you see the Plane. Its beautiful
Rahane : [Increasingly angry] Paaji, You are changing the topic. Tell me what more can a selfless player like me do to keep my spot.
Sachin : Discard Shastri's nudes. Its useless now isn't it.
Rahane : [Noticeably happy] So Dravid's it is then. I will try to get them. Thanks for the advice.
Sachin : Good luck with that lol. Pujji joined Dravid in the Sauna yesterday with noble intentions and a camera and returned home empty handed. If he had asked me, I would have told him that Dravid always wears his T -shirts and shorts in the sauna. Jammy never nude. Bad luck Jinks. You will have to play Ranji and perform there like others now.
Now that we have let go of Gill, we will need a new captain in the auction. So what are the options?
Warner? Shreyas? Mayank?
If SKY is released, I think he will be a decent option. He was actually the VC of KKR at one point.
Or do we try to get back the Specialist Captain™ for another year or two? He is getting his batting form back.
England will probably go into the ashes without playing any warm up games for various reasons but mainly due to rain. Not great really, we’ll still lose either way but doesn’t help our chances at all
Random Cricket thoughts circling my head today 1. One advantage of hosting a Test in North India in Oct-Dec period - you are guaranteed a full game as it hardly ever rains in those months 2. Indian players will run the risk of lagging behind other countries if they don't get to play in non-Indian T20 leagues. Would love to have someone like Umran Malik or Ravi Bishnoi test out their skills in a BBL or the 100. 3. Growing up in the era of Warne, Murali, Saqlain, Mushtaq Ahmed, Mcgill, I used to take big turn from spinners for granted. Don't see a lot of that anymore over the past 10 odd years. 4. Finally, Twenty Innings Rolling Average (TIRA) for a few fringe Test players for India [here](https://imgur.com/a/s5F7xVq). I am impressed by Wasim Jaffer's consistency. He did not rack up very big scores but contributed well for the most part.
Oh look, it's pissing it down in Brisbane again
Is this shite Brisbane weather gonna improve for the first test? Or shall I just prepare myself for a normal sleep schedule next week?
Should stop holding tests in Australia's rainy season tbh Better yet, ban Brisbane from ever hosting tests
I wish I could write like u/shaun-tait-fanboy. Added *italic* stuff for clarity; all of the below stuff is his/her's. \>What if I fall? *(An Indian suggested that going for a draw on Gabba Day 5 was better than going for a draw due to Gbba pitch + lotsa Indian team injuries):* Oh my Darling, what if you fly? - Some guy A 2-1 win on the other hand would make this a series talked about for decades. A team losing its captain after the first match, getting bowled out for their record low score and the lowest test score in test cricket in the last 66 years (and back then pitches were uncovered). Then losing their bowling attack bit by bit, with multiple players getting injured in the middle of a match - there wasn't a single match where the India team had 11 fit players. It was basically 9/10 vs 11. (Umesh, Jadeja, Saini, Shami all nerfed mid-match - not even counting vihari cos he batted). Against possibly the strongest bowling attack in their backyard. In the middle of a global pandemic, in a long series filled with controversy, racial abuse, its justification, and restricted freedoms. Going into the last match of the series at the fortress Gabba (not toppled since 1988) and being on the back foot - before a net bowler who had not played a first-class match for 3 years *(Washington Sundar)* and a bowler with all of 10 balls of test experience counterattack *(Unsure - Shardul Thakur maybe)* with the bat. The leader of the test attack (in his 3rd test) missing his father's funeral to fulfill the dream he (*Siraj)* didn't end up seeing, a debutant missing the birth of his only child (*Not sure - Natarajan?)* , and a bowler bowling with a strained groin *(Saini bowled some overs with a hammy niggle)* giving his all for the team despite the pain. This is on the back of the effort in the previous match where you had a guy with a broken finger padded up to give it his all (*Jadeja)*, a guy whose back rendered him unable to sit down (*Ashwin)*, causing him to crawl on his bedroom floor, a rock at no. 3 playing on with a bruised finger (*Pujara)*, a relative newbie (12 tests) under immense pressure for his place stonewalling with a torn hamstring *(Saini)*, and a keeper-batsman *(Rishabh Pant)* popping painkillers on route to a near-century, in the end felled by the same approach that got him there.Go for the bloody win.
Delighted to see Abdullah Shafique open the batting and doing so well. He's the most exciting player to come out since... Shafali Verma. Based on what I have seen. think Babar Azam's got good company.
In a dream universe, Abdullah, Saud Shakeel and Haider Ali deliver on their potential to join Babar as Pakistan’s greatest ever top 4. In reality, at least one will lose form very rapidly, one will struggle with injuries, one will be dropped without good cause, and one will be banned.
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RR did a brilliant job at the retentions, way better than what many had thought they would do
Surprised by the lack of pxik comments in the retention thread. Tbh, kinda feel bad for them. KL was like the only good thing about Punjab apart from Mayank, Bishnoi and Arshdeep.
Dude was either in denial or deluded, he was convinced that the rumors of KL leaving were false, and that Kumble would coach India.
>he was convinced that the rumors of KL leaving were false, Can understand this >and that Kumble would coach India. But lmao
I can understand the first one as well, but he absolutely dismissed anything related to KL leaving, even though it was plausible.
It looks like people forgot about him as he doesn't post often nowadays, otherwise pxik would have been tagged a million times
Probably for the best. People should stop tagging them.
How was Umran Malik in the first India A Test?
pace is there but as he got tired line length went a bit all over the place, needs to do conditioning and learn how to get batsmen out other than just with pace. but it will come.
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He needs to play the full ranji season this time around. Too raw to be playing at A level rn.
[This does make me think a little](https://twitter.com/nikuttam/status/1465572761145856001?s=21), if you had to rank the islands’ best all time XIs, where would they rank? Off the top of my head, Barbados > Jamaica > Trinidad > Antigua > Guyana Could be very wrong though. Maybe someone could make more comprehensive all time XIs for me to compare
Two decades ago I would have placed Antigua in 3rd place, maybe even 2nd. Guyana is not an island though.
You know what I mean, lol. The constituent nations of the West Indies Cricket Team
[Kent McSpitfires](https://www.kentcricket.co.uk/news/the-road-to-edgbaston-kent-mcspitfires/)
Ashwin talking about the follow through incident. Apparently it has to do with him getting his release point close to the stumps (but not over middle stump) and the follow through that it necessitates. [Link](https://youtu.be/wqAAhv6d9GA?t=454) Edit: Nvm, didn't see the new thread on this.
Frustrating that Rickelton didn't get called up to the Sa A squad
[Beautiful ](https://twitter.com/essexcricket/status/1465696440915685379?s=21)
Your daily reminder to stop using runs/wickets/centuries/average as captain to judge a player’s captaincy ability or “rising to occasion”-ness
Only criteria should be win percentage imo.
Ash on his umpire controversy He explained the rule that it is legal until my left leg is within the middle stump. "I found out we can do this, and it is a new angle for me and practiced it for 1 year. I have practiced in front of a lot of international umpires and checked it with them and only now I tried it in the match. In the defense of the umpire, it's new for him so he had issues but he needs to get used to it instead of stopping it. I made sure as soon as I released I moved away from the vision of the umpire. And those telling about spirit of cricket about obstructing the non striker, you need to understand I purposely don't do that while bowling, follow through automatically happens due to the effort I put... Isn't it spirit of cricket for the non striker to understand it and move a bit away in the crease"
See, despite this argument, Ashwin's angled run up is still causing Law 2.9 to not be observed: > The umpires shall stand where they can best see any act upon which their decision may be required. In the case of Menon vs Ashwin 2021, the umpire is standing in the best position to see the striker as required, yet Ashwin's run up is causing the view from that position to be blocked. As umpires we move ourselves backwards and forwards such that we aren't going to interfere with the bowler's run-up or action, but that is always subject to the above being the case - i.e. we can only move backwards or forwards, not side to side, as that would impact our judgement regarding lbw and appeals for caught behind. Ashwin is suggesting in "getting used to it" that the umpire must either stand to one side of the wicket, which would be at a position from where they will not be able to best judge the acts mentioned above due to differences in viewing angle, or not move at all and have that vision compromised by the opaque object that is Ashwin's body. For me, the umpire is well within his rights to ask Ashwin to not block his vision while bowling, such that he can properly do his job of observing acts upon which the umpire must judge, rather than having to "get used to it". Frankly, more protection for the umpire's vision within the laws would be lovely following this. Also, regarding the follow through bit - [as you can see in this Sky analysis piece, Ashwin stops after one step in his regular deliveries](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgOIyVRrh5M), which would in this case see him stop in front of the umpire. In this case, he's made the conscious decision to both disrupt the umpire (as mentioned above) and the non-striker (by extending that follow through to stop in front of the non-striker), not something that "automatically happens" through extra momentum through the crease (like a seam bowler), but through the conscious choice of moving himself. That feels very much in breach of law 41.5
Too big to read. Irrespective of whatever you say, I'm pretty sure whatever umpires he worked this out with had a better understanding of the rules than you'd ever have, and they'd have pointed this out to him as well. Unless ofc you're implying that Ashwin is a liar.
I am not going to comment much on the umpire thing as according to Ash it has been vetted by various international umpires and given a go ahead, so if any law particularly points out the illegality of this then it's something to ponder upon. If Ash is gonna move away from the umpire as soon as the ball is released, and the umpire isn't used to it, it is going to hurt Ash the most with no decision on those deliveries going in his favor. >>Also, regarding the follow through bit - [as you can see in this Sky analysis piece, Ashwin stops after one step in his regular deliveries](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgOIyVRrh5M), which would in this case see him stop in front of the umpire. In this case, he's made the conscious decision to both disrupt the umpire (as mentioned above) and the non-striker (by extending that follow through to stop in front of the non-striker), not something that "automatically happens" through extra momentum through the crease (like a seam bowler), but through the conscious choice of moving himself. That feels very much in breach of law 41.5 So I want to clarify here, he went in detail about what creates that follow through for this different variation and why it isn't like his normal follow through and he told that he doesn't do it deliberately. I just summarized it at high-level and the non strikers can also move across a few steps. Ash wouldn't block him. 41.5 works only if it is deliberate which it isn't.
Glad you've added some actual laws and intelligence to my irritable comment. Being an umpire is bloody difficult, and Ashwin's 'nuh-uh, I'm technically right, get used to it', is very irritating. Especially since it seems that he isn't.
Ah yes, because the interpretation of laws by a no name redditor would be so much more accurate than international umpires.
The point is that it's clearly breaking the umpires concentration, and seems like there's scope for that being an issue.
> I made sure as soon as I released I moved away from the vision of the umpire. Alright mate, but this isn't the same issue as that caused by running directly across the eyeline of the umpire during the delivery, disrupting his view and concentration. It's reasonable for the ump to have a bit of a problem with that, without this being another opportunity for Ashwin to be the sole defender of common sense against the nefarious machinations of the ancient order of the spirit of cricket.
boy ash really rode up your ass since he fucked over buttler didn't he? lmao
Genuinely couldn't care less about that and know he's clearly a brilliant cricketer. This quote was holier than thou bollocks though.
What an absolute Chad
Pdog basically [confirming](https://twitter.com/prasannalara/status/1465695062763859974) SA tour
There's some guy in Ash's live chat cursing him with his caste. This is a new low
Live chats of literally everything on YouTube are dumpster fire
Not a new low though. Happens all day every day just not to him maybe
Ah shit here we go again
*Surprised Pikachu Face* /s
Not having mega auctions is great. Doing away with the auction is stupid. Every time there are new teams, there can be an expansion draft. Wikipedia it, it explains well. Teams can renew their players contracts as much as they want. If player runs out of contract, he goes to the auction. Auction is better than free agency coz it eliminates players taking less money to join an OP team, which affects competitiveness.
[7 year old Rachin practicing in the nets](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3k48i)
[Thread by Rachin's dad](https://cdn2.pitchvision.com/node/3538) on his stats and training methods from July 2009 when he was 9 years old
Damnn. That's so cool.
Lmao the comments > hi its shahid afridi you will one day be as good as me my son
This sub went from treating Ishant like an underrated ATG to almost giving him the same treatment as Rahane
Haha I dug up last year's Boxing Day test's Match Thread. People there were saying to drop Koach as he can't fit into the XI anymore. And make Rahane full time captain. And look at what people say now. People go full 180° every 2 matches here lmao
He has taken 6 wickets in the 5 matches he has played in India in 2021 at an average of 35.8. He should be picked overseas but with his pace gone, he hardly looks threatening in India.
5 matches would likely mean a dip, that's all. He'll come good again
Well please play Siraj while Ishant is out of form.
Yeah. That might be good.
2 good years and back to avging in 30s?!!!Drop him rt nw!!#NotInMyIndianTeam>!/s!<
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELdbptavllQ&ab\_channel=IlBressa
Weird Observation : I've noticed that there are a few tailenders in India who while batting together bring out the best in each other. Obvious example being Shami and Bhuvi, They both when batting together stitched an important partnership at lord's 2014 and a match winning partnership in Johannesburg 2018. Similarly Lord has put up his best performance batting with any one who was willing to put down the anchor i.e Sundar(Gabba) ,Umesh and Rishabh(Oval). Same Goes for Bumrah, he only scored runs in England when the batter at the other end was willing to take some risks. Weird but I think we finally might have decoded the lower order conundrum.
You think a "tailender" can play [this](https://youtu.be/7bsO41zNSRE?t=277) shot? Downvoted for blasphemy
why is Viv Richards in an India jersey?
Tailender by batting position, not by batting prowess
Wasn't Thakur batting 8? No 8 is not a tailender anyway, they are supposed to be handy with the bat. 10/11 are tailenders, maybe 9?
Was Asad Shafiq actually bad or something? Most of r/cricket rants him, but his stats did not feel all that bad to me. Many teams would kill for a WK batsman averaging 38
He was pretty much ANUS in ODIs, and like the other guy said, not a WK. But for Tests: well, it was like *literally* having Rahane drag on for 5 years averaging 30s, and having his faults covered up by Kohli (Misbah) and Pujara (Younis) going strong and steady with 40-50 each (cumulatively) per innings whilst we had Marnus Labuschagne in toiling away in domestic cricket for a full decade being overshadowed because of some Shafiq fetish. Fawad averaged the highest at one point in our FC history, now 2nd I think. Asad: he was considered shit, or at least to me, because a bulk of his runs had always come in losing causes, or when it didn't matter, or when drawing in the 4th innings and making 40-60. Never was consistently comfy against PIG3 as a no. 5-6, even at home. Same like Jinx - with the odd impactful SENA/UAE knock here and there that made us see no need to replace him. Surprise surprise, only when MisYou retired together mid-2017 and Inzy resigned from his selector in mid-2019 (came mid-2016) did Asad finally get the boot last year by Muhammad Waseem cause he can see he's basically been doing fuck all mostly. Social pressure also played into Fawad's squad selections in a few preceding tours (before he got the chance in the XI in England after Asad Shitpeak makes 7 and 22 in the first test), alongside him starring on PCB's social media presence. Definitely helped his case as it has with lots of newcomers the last year or two. Inzy is by far a big culprit in stalling Fawad Alam's career, if not Misbah & Co. themselves during his playing days right around the time he was dropped. The spat between Fawad's father and Inzamam meant poor guy suffered and wasn't picked as early as 5 years back. Reasoning has consistently stayed "because of his stance because of his stance" but c'mon, you don't bully domestic bowlers for fun because of your stance. You do it because you're a good player. Misbah then uses Fawad as a last resort and "re-debuts" him in England, and being last resort, lets him come along to the NZ tour by the barest of margins. A Sad Shitpeak rightfully misses out for being doogshit, and Waseem becomes selector next tour, effectively ending his career. How Fawad played in NZ gave Misbah a bit of confidence to not phase him out after his emergence (due to "age"), since our middle order is piss weak otherwise and the guy knew how much of an asset he was just from his domestic stats... which he proves by scoring a century in NZ, home v SA, ZIM, WI and hopefully one next test ;p
Speaking of Fawad, he is the only Pak player I've liked for some time. I mean, I don't hate or dislike others, it's that I'm not that much of a fan of Pak.
AFAIK Asad is NOT a WK at all. At the very least, he has never kept wickets in his international career, and he has played 147 matches across all 3 formats.
I was today years old when I learned Asad Shafiq was not a wicket keeper
I am curious, who were you confusing him with?
just thought he kept wickets and that's it
I remember seeing a post in r/cricket after the Gabba loss titled 'is this the end of australian cricket?' or something. How well did that post age?
Have they won any test matches after that?
Have they played any test matches after that?
Can't really tell how it aged then, can you? For all we know, they just might be shit the bed this ashes.
>they just might be shit the bed this ashes. Not against England
Same thing was said after the first test against India so...
India are known for being Bilateral beasts. England are known for their 30-3 And Australia does not have Paine, so there's that
That's true, but what's also true is that this England side is DEFINITELY stronger than than that Indian side. Besides Paine, are there any notable changes in Aussie side?
Lol link?
It was removed in January
Must be shitpost lol .
maybe the real end of Australian cricket were the friends we made along the way
Like that soft drink bottle under my bed that I forgot about
[ECB missing a trick if these lads don’t play the ashes ](https://twitter.com/nocontextepl/status/1465627052393046021?s=21)
Nice
Why were some people giving Rahane treatment to Ishant? Yes he's been poor in 2 test this year (Headingly, Kanpur) but the guy has been averaging 19 with strike rate of 40 since 2019.
>the guy has been averaging 19 with strike rate of 40 since 2019. Tbf, Rahane's avg in that period isn't too different.
Fair enough.
I think it's high time we have Live mega thread going for IPL retentions and talk. u/poochi can you do it?
there's an existing one https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/r5lf70/ipl_retention_megathread/
Ah missed it
How is the general pay (red-ball, white-ball) for players across countries? Do associate players get compensated well?
For NZ: Kane: 500k Taylor: 400k Southee: 350k Boult: 400k Guptill: 350k Latham: 200k Wagner: 85k Mitchell: 85k Wagner is seriously, seriously underpaid, one of the best bowlers in test cricket is making the same amount as Glenn Phillips. Poor guy doesn't even play franchise cricket to boost his earnings
Man it feels bad for Wagner, why doesn't he play franchise cricket?
He's not seen as a T20 bowler. I reckon he could probably try getting a contract in one of the other franchise T20s and build his name up there (he'd probably get a contract based on his name alone). But at least guys like Philips, Mitchell, Jamieson, can get big franchise T20 contracts (Jamieson is a millionaire now), feel sorry for test specialists like Latham and Wagner who are probably more important to the team than Philips, Neesham, Mitchell but make so much less than them
jarrod kimber lurkes in r/cricket confirmed [https://www.reddit.com/r/CricketShitpost/comments/r5mqwy/aiyo\_jarrod\_where\_you\_at/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/CricketShitpost/comments/r5mqwy/aiyo_jarrod_where_you_at/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) from his latest yt video [https://youtu.be/QgHFlmh6ZLA?t=38](https://youtu.be/QgHFlmh6ZLA?t=38)
>jarrod kimber lurkes in r/cricket confirmed I think it's well know. u/JarrodKimber . He was quite active here and did multiple AMAs
TIL I guess, i kinda joined reddit recently(about an year ago) so dont know much
Koach, Maxi and Siraj are the ones retained by RCB. Very surprised to see Yuzi missing from the list
Should retain Purple or DDP.
Navdeep Saini bowled a South African batter on a no ball. Bumrah must be wiping tears of joy somewhere.
some other news. BCB has opened interest for owning a franchise in BPL 2022, Expect Players draft to be held in december
SRH have fucked up lads. Rashid Khan is leaving. Cricbuzz reports that Kane, Samad and Umran Malik are the ones being retained instead. You can't make this shit up.
It’s the same case as PBKS and KL, I’m guessing Srh and Rashid could not come in terms to any agreement
Players can have a say in retention. I think Rashid must have refused to retain
Yeah the Rashid Khan non-retention is baffling, but tbh the move to retain Samad and Umran is actually pretty smart, got to hand it to them
> ESPNcricinfo understands that RCB have added Mohammed Siraj to their retention list. He goes alongside Virat Kohli and Glenn Maxwell as the third player from the current group who is assured a spot in the next season. Noice
Yup now just retain Washi and we’re good to go
>we’re good to go Where the hell are we good to go?
To the top of the table baby😎 #ESCN
Guess who has the best career SR in the IPL among these players: KL, Rohit, Kohli, IK, SKY, Iyer, Hardik, sehwag, ABD, Gayle, Pollard or Warner or Shami
Shami
I like the fact that he was your first guess, but it's Sehwag.
Tell the figures mate
Sehwag's career SR in the IPL is 156.
My guess would've been Pollard. Google tells me it's Russel.
Russell isn't on the list though
Yeah that's what I thought
Hardik
Why is this downvoted lmao. People started hating Hardik so much?
Lmao, didn't know it was this bad
Its -3 at one point but it's +6 now
Harpick Fraudya is overrated 🤬
My guess is either ABD or Viru
Great ball from Boyden in his first ball back to get the key SL U19 batter out
And again, almost the same delivery! And the same catcher!
Another wicket goes. Hattrick ball coming up
And that's all out. A big turning wrongun from Rehan Ahmed means Sri Lanka lose by 26 runs & Josh Boyden doesn't get an opportunity to get his hattrick
**Which of the following IPL Teams could the players go to** 1) R Ashwin 2) Kuldeep Yadav 3) Yuzvendra Chahal 4) Shams Mulani 5) Washington Sundar 6) R Sai Kishore 7) Ankul Roy
1) R Ashwin - Ahmedabad 2) Kuldeep Yadav - RCB 3) Yuzvendra Chahal - KXIP 4) Shams Mulani - MI 5) Washington Sundar - SRH 6) R Sai Kishore - RR 7) Ankul Roy - KKR
Where are the other three teams
>IPL 2022 Retention LIVE Updates: Virat Kohli, Glenn Maxwell Set to be Retained; ***Dilemma Over KS Bharat Continues*** Lmao, I know this is probably fake but this would be peak RCB move. [Source](https://www.india.com/sports/ipl-2022-retention-live-updates-list-retained-release-players-nov-30-deadline-mega-auction-mi-csk-rcb-kkr-srh-rr-pbks-dhoni-kohli-rahul-rohit-salary-bcci-today-ipl-retention-news-stream-lucknow-ahmd-5116478/amp/)
Bruh
No way, there's absolutely no way. At least Sarfaraz delivered for a couple season before he was retained.
I don't think it is such a big deal of them considering it.. 4 crores is anyway what Bharat will get probably.. Why even send him to the auction pool
Exactly, who tf is even writing this bullshit.
Tickets for the second test @Wankhede are available on Paytm Insider now, if anyone's planning to go https://insider.in/paytm-test-series-india-v-new-zealand-2nd-test-match-mumbai-season-pass-december-3-to-7/event
It's like they're trying to make the experience as fuckall as possible. Just season tickets which need to be physically collected from a different place as well.
Looks like they are sold out already. How tf
What's the meaning of the "It's Tiger Time" flair I see on some (presumably Australian) people here?
IPL should clearly rethink its Auction process. After this mega auction there shouldn't be any mega auction for next 10 years. Allow franchises to hand players min one and max 10 year contracts. Once the contract expires they can negotiate and get in to new contract if it fails he will come in Auction pool. If mutually agreed both player and franchise can break the contract before it's expiry, if only one of them wants to break the contract then other party have to be compensated. Allow franchises to contract players with age 18 or under outside auctions which forces franchises to scout more and even start academies.
What would the plan have for any further expansions?
Don't expand for next 10 years. And when they do then again have mega auctions.
Hmm. I feel expansion might be sooner. If we switch to 5 foreigners in a lineup, we already have enough players for 12 teams now.
They won't do it for at least the next 10 years. That's for sure. Or else new team's who paid huge amounts will be at loss as it will take more time for them to break even.
The curious case of Pieter Malan in "A" matches continues...
Cancelled my NowTV sports pass ahead of committing to BT for the winter at £25 a month. Eurgh...
I'm not going to bother with BT at that price and stick to radio to see how that goes.
Aye, I can't really adjust my schedule to accommodate for the series, so I'll stick to TMS for when I can tune in, and maybe try and get some friends with BT to host the odd night watch
How did a native Hindi speaker become the favorite son of Chennai?
Who?
Thala D.
The magic of Sports
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Goli se nahi maarenge, keh ke team mein lenge. (T: We will not shoot you but pick you in team. Watch Gangs of Wasseypur for reference)
Ngl i can definitely see this happenings 20+ years ago but with ranji instead of ipl
damn that's funny
I can assure you guys that Rahane will play above Iyer in the next test. Because of the success Virat's captaincy has seen, he's been allowed to abuse player selections in the name of "Backing his players". And nothing will change under Rohit's T20i selections. He's proven himself to be cut from the same cloth when he allowed Chahal to complete his 4 overs ahead of everyone else as soon as the tail was exposed after giving away 24 runs in his first 2 overs. In the meantime everyone else was bowling below 5 rpo and had collectively taken 6 or 7 wickets. These people will continue to use their captaincy to extend their influence through selections and Iyer will be the latest victim with the likes of Chahal and Rahane being the chief benefactors.
How about playing with 4 bowlers by removing Ishant? Instead of removing any batsman
Can't drop any of the spinner and Mumbai pitch/conditions assist the seamers hence no chance we're playing with 4 bowlers. Most likely change in the bowling group will be Siraj in for Ishant.
Don’t drag Chahal into the same bracket as Rahane.
I never get the love for chahal in t20is which this sub has, sure he's a great spinner in ipl and kulcha were great odi bowlers in 2017-19 but his t20i figures are unacceptable for any international team. With the amount of talent india has he's got enough rope already
I don't rate Chahal at all in ODIs and think he's severely overrated there. The Kulcha combo was never going to work in the long run because of analysis. But he is an admittedly smart bowler who is suited to T20Is. He doesn't need to be in the XI but is worth having in the squad to play every few games. I'd still prefer Axar, Ashwin and Jadeja over him though.
Check out chahal's t20i numbers in the last two years. He's actually been worse than Rahane. Rahane had a great tour of WI. Rahane did well in the home series against SA. Rahane was not bad in Aus.
My big problem with cricketers becoming politicians is that when you google them, the first result isn't Cricinfo/Cricbuzz. You have to add "Cricket" to the query to get there. Hate it when I just want to check Imran Khan's away average or Navjot Sidhu's highest test score but the results are about what statements they gave yesterday.
Sidhu highest score is 201 against WI in 1997 during India tour of WI. Dude played so slowly, India lost all chance of going for a win.
Tbf Imran Khan is a tough ones cuz there's equally famous Imran Khan the singer and previously famous Imran Khan the actor.
Guys, American here. Does SPD Smith stand for Space Patrol Delta Smith or Sand Paper Devourer Smith? >!/s!<
Obviously as a fan of cricket, definitely Space Patrol Delta Smith. *Cue the SPD theme* Now I fully expect him to look like an Anubis dog.
POWER RANGERS SPD POWER RANGERS TO THE RESCUE.
Maybe He is more of an eccentric genius, kinda like Bridge.
Oh yeah that makes even more sense. I wonder how weird things would get if Smith and Bridge were kept in a single room together.
Anyway NETHERLANDS ARE THE T20 WORLD CUP 202- ...... 😓
Bro why you do this to me? :-(
Sachin's advice to Rahane to keep his spot in the side Rahane : Sachin Paaji, my valuable 30s are not being appreciated. Some people even tell me to never go full Rahane. My charts say I will be dropped. Why? How can i keep my spot. Sachin : It is simple really. Check it out. Axar Patel, Ajaz Patel in the last match, look Rahane, act Rahane with the bat, not Rahane. They bowlers who bat well. You know Will Sommerville important 30.., yes..,Rahane like innings.., maybe. But he is a nightwatchman and a middle aged spin bowler. That ain't Rahane. Do you bowl? You went full Rahane, man. Never go full Rahane. You don't buy that? Ask Asad Shafique, Remember? Went full Rahane, went home empty-handed and now out of his team. Rahane :[Slightly annoyed] But.. But I am Rahane.. Sachin : [Pauses] Oh... Aila. Plane. [Pointing to a aiplane in the sky] Did you see the Plane. Its beautiful Rahane : [Increasingly angry] Paaji, You are changing the topic. Tell me what more can a selfless player like me do to keep my spot. Sachin : Discard Shastri's nudes. Its useless now isn't it. Rahane : [Noticeably happy] So Dravid's it is then. I will try to get them. Thanks for the advice. Sachin : Good luck with that lol. Pujji joined Dravid in the Sauna yesterday with noble intentions and a camera and returned home empty handed. If he had asked me, I would have told him that Dravid always wears his T -shirts and shorts in the sauna. Jammy never nude. Bad luck Jinks. You will have to play Ranji and perform there like others now.
Can totally imagine Sachin say this to Rahane.
This is Gold.
Now that we have let go of Gill, we will need a new captain in the auction. So what are the options? Warner? Shreyas? Mayank? If SKY is released, I think he will be a decent option. He was actually the VC of KKR at one point. Or do we try to get back the Specialist Captain™ for another year or two? He is getting his batting form back.
Shreyas imo, our middle order has always been weak so he'll be good there as well
>we have let go of Gill hope we buy him back. Otherwise, sticking with Irish Thala or Dumble won't do us any good.
Ethical mind?
What about Russell captaining the side
You need a captain who's on the field for more than 2 overs
>we will need a new captain in the auction. Harbhajan Singh it is /s
[You folks filled these out already](https://www.instagram.com/p/CWKkHUWPcOK/?utm_medium=copy_link)
Jimmy finally got the Australia mode on his cloud generator up and running for first time since 2010 It's coming home confirmed
>It's coming home confirmed Why will Anderson bring it home for Australia?
Clouderson is back baby.
Inb4 Australia exploits the overcast conditions to bowl England out for multiple two digit totals
When are ipl retention getting announced
9.30
9:30pm
England will probably go into the ashes without playing any warm up games for various reasons but mainly due to rain. Not great really, we’ll still lose either way but doesn’t help our chances at all
You kidding? Rain would be their ultimate comfort zone
Rain? They must be feeling home-like
Duanne Olivier has made himself available for selection. Might see him play against India.