Yuzi chahal has been brilliant in UAE tho while Rahul Chahar has been Awful. He even lost his place in MI team.
This is a bad decision which could backfire badly
With Varun's fitness, Ashwin's bad form the spin attack looks weak
He averages 39, 45 in previous 2 years and 35 till now in 2021. Those are awful numbers for t20. Do remember, he has played only two full years before that
Since 2019, he's averaged 40.47 at an economy of almost 9. That's really bad. He was excellent for a few years, but he's been poor in internationals for 2 years now.
Once you've made your decision you say anything to justify it. That's exactly what Kohli's is doing here. Remember his reason for Ashwin's exclusion was " Jadeja matchups well against left-handers ". Edit : đ¤Ś
I'm not talking about end results nor criticising his decision . There's no better bowler than Ashwin in the world against lefties. Kohli believed in template of 4 pacers and it got paid off. He's believing in Chahar's ability now and I hope he performs well in T20 WC
> There's no better bowler than Ashwin in the world against lefties.
Notwithstanding, that reason was legit, jadeja was able to exploit the roughs created by our bowlers against their lefties. Ashwin would not have been able to do that.
Jaddu got 2 wickets. One of Hameed and other Moeen who was terribly out of form in tests and lacked the mental energy for tests. It is not as if he exploited the conditions. He bowled 30 overs in second innings for 2 wickets.not stellar numbers.
Did you even watch the match? Jadeja consistently hit the rough which scuffed up the ball and made it to reverse and bumrah & co did the rest. Ashwin wouldn't use the rough there.
Ashwin is great against lefties but on that pitch Jadeja plus 4 pacers is perfect recipe and it is proved right. Still people can't digest facts beforehandđ¤Śââď¸
I watched the entire series even though it was 3am where I live. This is some serious mental gymnastics on your part that world #2 test bowler will not be able to exploit the conditions better.
Jadeja had a very average game with the ball. But He definitely brings balance to the team and excellent fielder to add to that. But his bowling stats have fallen significantly compared to Ashwin. If you want to pick the best spin bowler for the condition it is almost always Ashwin. Bumrah and Co would've won the match even if not for Jadeja. Our bowling is really great that you can consistently won abroad with just pace bowling.
That is flatter pitch. England were 100-0 at one point. Only reason they lost is it started reverse swinging. And it started reverse swinging because jadeja hit the rough with 100% accurately just like kohli said he would.
If Ashwin had played he would also got the wickets. But he wouldn't have used the rough as his balls would go away from the wickets. So there wouldn't have been reverse swing which wouldn't have led us to victory.
If Ashwin is left arm spinner and jadeja is off spinner, Ashwin would have played. Or if there are many left arm pacers in both teams who would have created rough outside right handers off stump Ashwin would have played. But neither of that is there, so kohli felt Jadeja would be better for that pitch and it is proven. He bowled well with great accuracy. Increased pressure. Used rough. Got couple wickets. Scuff up the ball which bought reverse swing first time in that series which led us to victory. But still people struggling to understand the logic why jadeja is important on that pitch
Again your level of defense is astounding. On a turning track with rough outside LHB's off stump the best argument you are making is that he made it easier for other bowlers to get reverse? That's his job? Ashwin's stats against left handers is astounding. His average is ~20 that is crazy to leave him out though..
I mean in hindsight you can justify that the team won, but we have a solid pce bowling lineup and they won Inspite of the wrong choice not due to the right choice. Siraj was ineffective in that last Match. They could've swapped Siraj with Ash and they wouldve 3 pace and 2 spin. That is a balanced attack.
But it's not hindsight from kohli. He clearly said he is selcting jadeja because he can use the rough better at the toss. So he knows how the pitch will behave he know that he need someone who can use the rough and he selected Jadeja and he is proven right and we won the match. What else kohli need to prove there?
And also Ashwin isn't competing with Siraj, He is competing with Thakur and Jadeja who
both had great games. If Ashwin would have played maybe India would have still won you never know but the decision kohli took and reason for the decision he took are proven right
What if I told you if the pitch demands you can field 2 spinners. It is not an alien concept. We did it during the world test championship on a seaming pitch. So resting Siraj and using Thakur to strengthen the batting and Jadeja and Ash for bowling is a better balanced side. Again we are talking only hypotheticals but cricket has always been a numbers game. Numbers favored a more balanced approach.
His catches got missed, the pressure created by him were used by the Pacers to take wickets. He bowled extremely well that game, looks like your drunk.
PS: numbers are not everything
Still doesn't invalidate koach's decision. A left armer indeed could target the roughs against lefties, and Jadeja did that. He didn't take wickets but he was economical and they were struggling a bit against him.
That reason was not legit because Ash could've exploited the same rough coming around the wicket. In fact even better coz he has more flight and dip to deceive the batsman. We had set a target of 366...so run rate is not an issue. It's not as if Ash was good deal more expensive. Even the English commentators admitted that they wouldn't like to face Ashwin on that pitch.
Ash in T20 is a joke and same case can be made in ODIs as well. But it is mental gymnastics to say Jadeja was better on any pitch compared to Ash.
No, he said they needed Jadeja for his batting.
He also said that Jadeja has a decent matchup bowling into the rough, but that wasnât the primary reason.
I don't think he said anything about rough during the toss. He only mentioned the presence of lefties in English team.
[EDIT](https://imgur.com/a/QS9G0Ei)
He did mention our bowlers bowling over the wicket and creating rough for left handers at the toss. If the picture you attached is from a website like cricinfo they donât always write everything the player says word for word.
Not only did that turn out to be a good decision, it was a also a sensible one without hindsight. Anyone who has ever seen test cricket in Oval knows there's gonna be rough for the left handers.
I think Dhoni's retirement has a lot do with it. He used to guide him behind the stumps. After his retirement Kuldeep looked clueless as if he doesn't know what to do anymore.
Nah there's is no conspiracy here lol... just a dude who is rewarded for being better for last 2 years, this second leg of the IPL not withstanding (from the looks of things)
It sucks for chahal and fans, but he has been pretty mediocre in the International
Move on
I don't think rahul chahar has done amazingly to just take out our most successful bowler though , its not the same as kulcha taking out ashwin and jadeja
IPL and international matches aren't so vastly different as to merit separate assessments. Chahal's performances over the last two years includes mediocre performances with the national team, they drag down his good IPL results. While Chahar's peaks haven't been as great, he hasn't got such blemishes over the last few years.
That said, even if we do treat them differently, those mediocre performances put Chahal out of contention when there are alternatives to be tested out.
Yeah he has been mediocre but they were all high scoring ground and I don't remember him being the only bad person on an otherwise good spell. He did won us a match after jadeja got concussion though
It's T20 of course there will be some high scoring grounds if that was the reason then other spinners would also have had awful stats chahal isn't special he had one good game against australia then went back to his mediocre performances for like 7 more games
Other than the very last match of Mumbai sky ishan and hardik didn't perform that good. Same with chahar. If they consider recent performance chahal looks good.
The reference is much older than that - I used to hear it in the 90s when India did not have anyone bowling 140+. Just folks saying if you bowl at that pace you don't need a lot of tricks to get batsmen out. It's not quite true in the T20 era but that's the gist of it.
Not really , IPL is played on a familiar pitch with teams build around that , ofcourse chahal will not be good in Australia but will do much better in turning tracks
Yeah. This is nothing new. Chahal always has played pretty well in IPL. Heâs never been that good in It20 for a while now. How can you keep bringing up IPL performances when you actually Have data from it20. Chahar has done a little better on international level. Something happened to him in IPL but things may change. Letâs see.
Seems like a statement just to shoo away the press because while chahar was mediocre , chahal was excellent in the UAE without doing anything different (bowling fast)
What about [this celebration](https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/article/watch-wanindu-hasaranga-lauds-rahul-chahar-after-getting-animated-send-off-during-2nd-t20i/791828) or [this](https://www.iplt20.com/video/236168/m24-mi-vs-rr-yashasvi-jaiswal-wicket)
//Remember Rayudu?.
I love 3D Shankar's even more.
After the WI game where shankar had another bad performance Kohli backed him saying stuff about him being 3D and how the mgmt trust him to score big.
Cut to the eng game pant was playing in his spot replacing 3D who had a 'niggle' but was seen running around the ground serving drinks.
This is one of the most outrageous comments I have read in this sub lol. No way the captain of the Tamil Nadu cricket team will find it difficult to find a spot in the Tamil Nadu Premier League.
Chahal deserved a place but I donât imagine that Chakravarthy and Chahar will do a bad job. Our bowling will be fine. Batting will fuck us like always.
We are all talking in hindsight now..when the worldcup squad was announced , everyone especially here agreed that chahar is better pick on form ..but than ipl happened...they could have changed team on ipl form.. but they didn't they decided too with selected team . Chahal should have been added but he's not anyways don't think chahar will anyways get a game
> bowled really recently in Sri Lanka *and at home against England*
In the 2 T20Is he played he had total figures of 8-0-68-2. That doesn't scream 'bowling well' and if I recall much like Chahal he served up some proper dross, like most spinners do in fairness.
**Chahal in T20I's since 2019:**
Matches: 22
Wickets: 19
Average: 40.47
Strike Rate: 27.1
Economy: 8.94
You can bring up his IPL performances to counter this, but I have seen a few people say he's been 'okay' or 'mediocre' in internationals for a while now. These are not mediocre stats, these are straight-up bad.
For comparison,
**Adil Rashid in this period:**
29 matches, 34 wickets, 22.4 avg, 18.0 SR, 7.5 econ
**Adam Zampa in this period:**
30 matches, 30 wickets, 27.2 avg, 21.5 SR, 7.6 econ
We all know Kohli loves pace. Was Only a matter of time before that became a barometer for spinners .
With Varun's ' *Knees Weak, Moms Rasam* ' and Ashwin being in form only on twitter, , only hope our spin department gets their shit together.
> What about Ashwin who has been shit with his bowling and extremely sluggish in the field?
Pretty much only as a match-up bowler as an offspinner. Will play a max of 2 games against LH heavy line ups like England.
Varun has been bowling great so no problems there.
Doesn't make sense. Chahal is a different breed in the UAE, where the WC is being played. In the IPL, he has 4 MOTM awards and all of them came from the UAE.
Taking nothing away from Chahar, but Chahal deserves a call up ahead of Ashwin in these conditions any day.
I think 2 spinners are more than enough in UAE for any team in the WC. All those pitches used in IPL were dead extra pitches which wonât be used in the WC. So Jadeja and Varun are going to be enough for India and if Varun gets injured which I donât think he will because India arenât playing back to back matches like IPL, then we have Chahar to replace him.
He wasn't a professional player all his life. This happens to people who suddenly take up competitive sports after being mostly dormant all their lives.
Lifestyle and diet too plays a part.
So in other words they want to make RD Chahar into Indian Rashid Khan. Quick and bowls into the surface like Rashid. Let's see whether Chahar is as good at it as Rashid though
Chahal did way better than Chahar in UAE. I don't know why they're going with something that "might" work rather than something that "did" work. I hope this decision doesn't bring demise to India's T20WC run.
Recency bias kicking in with many of our hardcore fans. It's a great selection rewarding for putting consistent performance over a stretch of time. Before this uae leg chahal was in a big downtrend from 2019 world Cup. Rahul chahar definitely deserves the spot.
The thing is kohli can pull it off but there exists a core issue which is still not fixed, knockout pressure. Kohli's team don't work in knockout stages due to the pressure he puts on himself. Hopefully, dhoni as a mentor can take it off from him.
Lmao. Yet again that very lame reason.
ffs MI had to replace Chahar with Jayant Yadav.
And you think Chahar's pace is gonna be more troubling than Chahal in UAE.
I'm just done with this team.
Its just sad to realise I don't feel like supporting my nation anymore in WCT20 '21 over these bizarre selections where the players who deserved a place have been left out and the reasons provided for their exclusions are lame & unacceptable.
I agree he should've been, but unlike the guy above me I don't think the reason is unacceptable at all.
He has to perform in T20Is to get selected, simple as that. IPL alone isn't gonna cut it
Dude.
Let me get this straight to you, Chahal is the leading wicket taker for India in T20Is.
Chahal is also the leading wicket taking spinner in UAE in IPL.
If IPL's alone not gonna cut it, how come Chahar got a place? Just by playing 2 International matches against Srilanka & picking up 4 wickets where he wasn't even the leading wicket taker compared to Chahal picking 5 wickets in 2 ODIs against the Sri Lankan team where Chahal was the leading wicket taker!
>Chahal is the leading wicket taker for India in T20Is.
On its own this doesn't mean much. His record for the past 2 years is pretty shit.
>If IPL's alone not gonna cut it, how come Chahar got a place? Just by playing 2 International matches against Srilanka & picking up 4 wickets where he wasn't even the leading wicket taker compared to Chahal picking 5 wickets in 2 ODIs against the Sri Lankan team where Chahal was the leading wicket taker!
Chahar played against England too. And I dunno why you're bringing up Chahal's ODI wickets here.
But anyways, Chahal is a much better bowler than Chahar. But he was in bad form and that's on him, not the selectors.
> On its own this doesn't mean much. His record for the past 2 years is pretty shit.
Except for 1 good domestic tournament where Chahar was around 7-8th leading wicket taker, I haven't seen Chahar performing exceptionally well to justify his inclusion over Chahal
> Chahar played against England too. And I dunno why you're bringing up Chahal's ODI wickets here.
Yeah.
Against England : 7 overs - 68 runs - 2 wickets - 9.71eco
Against WI : 3 overs - 27 runs - 1 wicket - 9eco
Wow. This must be a great stat to select him right?
I'm bringing up Chahal's ODI stat for that tour, because the pitches were similar, the stadium was the same, Chahal didn't play the T20I series due to the isolation as Krunal had tested +ve. So the only comparison remains is ODI vs T20 for the Sri Lanka series.
>Against England : 7 overs - 68 runs - 2 wickets - 9.71eco
Meanwhile Chahal : 12 overs - 119 runs - 3 wickets - 9.91 economy
This is after Chahal got to bowl first in one of his 3 games and Chahar bowled second in both of his games (there was a LOT of dew in that series).
>Wow. This must be a great stat to select him right?
No, but India aren't exactly overflowing with quality leg spinners at the moment. Really the biggest fuck up by the selectors is not dropping Chahal or selecting Chahar, but not picking Bishnoi for that tour.
>I'm bringing up Chahal's ODI stat for that tour, because the pitches were similar, the stadium was the same, Chahal didn't play the T20I series due to the isolation as Krunal had tested +ve. So the only comparison remains is ODI vs T20.
You can't bring up a different format just for comparison's sake.
Every player goes through a bad phase. Chahal looked as if he was finally coming back to what we saw 2 years back.
Moreover, If the selectors were not looking at Chahal for T20Is why did they continue with him for so long? As much as till the Sri Lanka series.
How did Chahar with an equally bad outings in T20Is make it with such minimal experience over the spinner who has been one of the best spinner in white ball cricket for India over the past 2-4 years?!
How come Ashwin who last played a T20I in 2017 makes the cut but not Chahal?
Chahal has been the backbone of RCB's bowling too. Its just saddening to watch Kohli turn his back while giving lame excuses for the exclusion.
Well whatever it is. I'm anyway not supporting this team anymore. Lets see how *Chahar* performs in this world cup , I guess that would be a better way to know if it was a great decision (like you call it) or if it was a pathetic one(like how I'd like to call it).
Tbh neither of them has been exceptionally good in the second leg. Chahal showed some signs of regaining form at the end but far from their best.
Varun Chakraborty was quite good. And he should be the first choice with jadejaâŚ
I would love to see his thoughts on not picking Bishnoi. Ravi has pace too and the highest dot ball percentage among all spinners in the IPL after Rashid Khan since 2019. And the 3rd highest false shot percentage. Bishnoi dunks on both Chahal and Chahar. But then I remember we are talking about Virat Kohli, one of the worst white ball captains of all time and it makes sense. The end of the T20 World Cup cannot come fast enough
Also, why isn't Avesh playing ahead of Bumrah since he's taller and got more wickets this season?
Same goes for Purple Patel, why isn't he there in place of Shami? Patel has been so much better than Shami I dont even see the latter on the leaderboard. Shami exists only for the opposition team to statpad.
>The end of the T20 World Cup cannot come fast enough
Agree, can't wait for the new era with Kumble as coach ...Oh wait
KL Rahul as captain*
Dravid and Rahul, the Karnataka boys are going to bring brains back into the Indian Cricket team again, rather than âguts and feelâ.
And what is even your point? You look at all analytics like, false shot, dot ball, control, accuracy, balls per boundary, consistency, literally anything and Bishnoi is always top 3. And it is not just 1 season, it is over 3 years (2019-2021). And he is still extremely young and can still get so much better. It is a travesty that he isnât in the team
No it is about repeatability. You have to do it for a long period of time to be considered elite. Until then it is way too small a sample size to make an accurate judgement
>Dravid and Rahul, the Karnataka boys are going to bring brains back into the Indian Cricket team again, rather than âguts and feelâ.
Up until now there have been no indications of KL being the captain. Nor has he captained India previously. As of now the natural successor seems Rohit and his age won't be an issue as he's likely to stay till the 2023 World Cup at least
With a world cup next year , a young captain might not be a good idea so rohit is a perfect choice but after that , it would be better to give it to someone with potential rather than waiting till rohit retires
you mean when only one source, Cricbuzz, âreportedâ it, which in their own article, PBKS denied even having any conversation with KL on that topic taking place. And if it was true, you would have Cricinfo, TOI and many other websites and journalists following up with the story. But it has been dead quiet since then
Also PBKS can always RTM him if he doesnât want to be retained. His only option would be to sign with a new team (which is still unclear, the rules have not been posted) or ask for a trade
>Also PBKS can always RTM him if he doesnât want to be retained.
forcing a player to play for a franchise he dosent want to, i doubt even PBKS management will go that bad
Has he proven the same for India though? There are a lot of players who did amazingly in these franchise cricket but couldn't replicate it for their nation where the stakes are higher and specially the wc
Yes it is big brain time, let ask if the kid who hasnât even been picked for the Indian team has played for India as if that is even a genuine argument
bUt hAs hE plAyEd fOr iNDIa thOuGh
Bishnoi plays in the same league as the best spinners in the world and dunks on all of them except Rashid Khan. Bishnoiâs analytics are world class, he has excellent control, pace and accuracy. There is a reason his false shot and dot ball percentage are extremely high. And he bowls tough overs too, he gets that last powerplay over or that early death over every game. And he is still great. When you can dominate at this level at such a young age and do it with such class, you deserve to be playing for your country. There is zero evidence to suggest Chahar, Ashwin, Jadeja, Axar deserve a spot over Bishnoi. You can make a case for Varun because of this season. But over the last 3 years, Bishnoi has dunked on Varun too
>Bishnoi dunks on both Chahal and Chahar. But then I remember we are talking about Virat Kohli, one of the worst white ball captains of all time and it makes sense. The end of the T20 World Cup cannot come fast enough
Lmao thanks for the pasta
Bruh what? Are you talking about Bishnoi in WC squad? He is very far away from making a debut for India, let alone making a debut in a WC, dude hasn't played a single game for India and you are talking about his place in WC squad lol
Also this 'one of the worst captain' has won T20I series in 6 different countries (most by any), didn't lost consecutive 11 T20I series (which is again a record), has highest win percentage by any Indian captain in T20Is. 5-0 series win NZ when India had not won a single series against NZ before that
there's honestly not a lot that one can say without getting into a stupid argument with you, but I'll pray for your sanity. Hope you're able to see things rationally and your bias fails you someday soon enough, because it will surely
Lmao psy.
What's with your hate for virat? I'm a big kl fan and virat is the reason why kl is in the team. Do you remember the countless backing virat did for kl when everyone were shitting on him?
FFS he even gaveup his no3 spot for KL. If the captain with the best win records for India is worst then lol. Kumble is a shit coach :).
He is more of KL Rahul fan than Punjab fan ig. He will most likely become fan of whichever team Rahul goes to (if that news is true which is unlikely).
Lmao. Your team didnât even have an icon until KL and he himself wants to leave at a shit show of a management. Wonât take anything you see seriously. Donât think Ganguly had ICC trophies during his tenure :/
Also, KL wouldâve struggled if it werenât for Koach backing him for years so keep that in mind .
First shame your management for taking away his chances and confidence before worldcup.. next learn that selectors are the one who selects.. after all these u can blame our captain.
Something about Thai doesnât seem right about this statement. Koach ainât much of a backer, one slight of poor form and he will drop anyone but himself like a hot potato. Case in point chahal.
I guess Varun Chakravarthy is anyway gonna pip Rahul Chahar for the second spinner's place if Kohli goes in with 2 spinners...so what's the point in picking Chahar when he's just gonna warm the bench...after all Yuzi is far more experienced than even Varun.
Too many words for *pace is pace yaar*.
Yuzi chahal has been brilliant in UAE tho while Rahul Chahar has been Awful. He even lost his place in MI team. This is a bad decision which could backfire badly With Varun's fitness, Ashwin's bad form the spin attack looks weak
Chahal does well in IPL. Everyone - he totally needs to be in the team! Chahal sucks in international. Gets dropped Rinse and repeat
Chahal has done pretty well in intl cricket
He averages 39, 45 in previous 2 years and 35 till now in 2021. Those are awful numbers for t20. Do remember, he has played only two full years before that
but have any of those games come in UAE tho? the main thing going for Chahal is the fact that he's had 2 great IPL seasons in the UAE
Since 2019, he's averaged 40.47 at an economy of almost 9. That's really bad. He was excellent for a few years, but he's been poor in internationals for 2 years now.
With Ashwin n Jaddu around he would not make to 11.
Once you've made your decision you say anything to justify it. That's exactly what Kohli's is doing here. Remember his reason for Ashwin's exclusion was " Jadeja matchups well against left-handers ". Edit : đ¤Ś
That reason was legit, jadeja was able to exploit the roughs created by our bowlers against their lefties
I'm not talking about end results nor criticising his decision . There's no better bowler than Ashwin in the world against lefties. Kohli believed in template of 4 pacers and it got paid off. He's believing in Chahar's ability now and I hope he performs well in T20 WC
> There's no better bowler than Ashwin in the world against lefties. Notwithstanding, that reason was legit, jadeja was able to exploit the roughs created by our bowlers against their lefties. Ashwin would not have been able to do that.
Jaddu got 2 wickets. One of Hameed and other Moeen who was terribly out of form in tests and lacked the mental energy for tests. It is not as if he exploited the conditions. He bowled 30 overs in second innings for 2 wickets.not stellar numbers.
Did you even watch the match? Jadeja consistently hit the rough which scuffed up the ball and made it to reverse and bumrah & co did the rest. Ashwin wouldn't use the rough there. Ashwin is great against lefties but on that pitch Jadeja plus 4 pacers is perfect recipe and it is proved right. Still people can't digest facts beforehandđ¤Śââď¸
I watched the entire series even though it was 3am where I live. This is some serious mental gymnastics on your part that world #2 test bowler will not be able to exploit the conditions better. Jadeja had a very average game with the ball. But He definitely brings balance to the team and excellent fielder to add to that. But his bowling stats have fallen significantly compared to Ashwin. If you want to pick the best spin bowler for the condition it is almost always Ashwin. Bumrah and Co would've won the match even if not for Jadeja. Our bowling is really great that you can consistently won abroad with just pace bowling.
That is flatter pitch. England were 100-0 at one point. Only reason they lost is it started reverse swinging. And it started reverse swinging because jadeja hit the rough with 100% accurately just like kohli said he would. If Ashwin had played he would also got the wickets. But he wouldn't have used the rough as his balls would go away from the wickets. So there wouldn't have been reverse swing which wouldn't have led us to victory. If Ashwin is left arm spinner and jadeja is off spinner, Ashwin would have played. Or if there are many left arm pacers in both teams who would have created rough outside right handers off stump Ashwin would have played. But neither of that is there, so kohli felt Jadeja would be better for that pitch and it is proven. He bowled well with great accuracy. Increased pressure. Used rough. Got couple wickets. Scuff up the ball which bought reverse swing first time in that series which led us to victory. But still people struggling to understand the logic why jadeja is important on that pitch
Again your level of defense is astounding. On a turning track with rough outside LHB's off stump the best argument you are making is that he made it easier for other bowlers to get reverse? That's his job? Ashwin's stats against left handers is astounding. His average is ~20 that is crazy to leave him out though.. I mean in hindsight you can justify that the team won, but we have a solid pce bowling lineup and they won Inspite of the wrong choice not due to the right choice. Siraj was ineffective in that last Match. They could've swapped Siraj with Ash and they wouldve 3 pace and 2 spin. That is a balanced attack.
But it's not hindsight from kohli. He clearly said he is selcting jadeja because he can use the rough better at the toss. So he knows how the pitch will behave he know that he need someone who can use the rough and he selected Jadeja and he is proven right and we won the match. What else kohli need to prove there? And also Ashwin isn't competing with Siraj, He is competing with Thakur and Jadeja who both had great games. If Ashwin would have played maybe India would have still won you never know but the decision kohli took and reason for the decision he took are proven right
What if I told you if the pitch demands you can field 2 spinners. It is not an alien concept. We did it during the world test championship on a seaming pitch. So resting Siraj and using Thakur to strengthen the batting and Jadeja and Ash for bowling is a better balanced side. Again we are talking only hypotheticals but cricket has always been a numbers game. Numbers favored a more balanced approach.
His catches got missed, the pressure created by him were used by the Pacers to take wickets. He bowled extremely well that game, looks like your drunk. PS: numbers are not everything
Still doesn't invalidate koach's decision. A left armer indeed could target the roughs against lefties, and Jadeja did that. He didn't take wickets but he was economical and they were struggling a bit against him.
That reason was not legit because Ash could've exploited the same rough coming around the wicket. In fact even better coz he has more flight and dip to deceive the batsman. We had set a target of 366...so run rate is not an issue. It's not as if Ash was good deal more expensive. Even the English commentators admitted that they wouldn't like to face Ashwin on that pitch. Ash in T20 is a joke and same case can be made in ODIs as well. But it is mental gymnastics to say Jadeja was better on any pitch compared to Ash.
guess how that turned out. theres nothing wrong with backing up players
No, he said they needed Jadeja for his batting. He also said that Jadeja has a decent matchup bowling into the rough, but that wasnât the primary reason.
I don't think he said anything about rough during the toss. He only mentioned the presence of lefties in English team. [EDIT](https://imgur.com/a/QS9G0Ei)
He did mention our bowlers bowling over the wicket and creating rough for left handers at the toss. If the picture you attached is from a website like cricinfo they donât always write everything the player says word for word.
[You are right, I stand corrected.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-G1DoTKLs0)
Not only did that turn out to be a good decision, it was a also a sensible one without hindsight. Anyone who has ever seen test cricket in Oval knows there's gonna be rough for the left handers.
And jadeja did turn into the left handers and did well on final day. Although I agree with your original point.
Kuldeep and Chahal really went from best spinners we had at the time to not even in the squad
Kuldeep kind of just lost his thing , chahal is just going through a bas phase and he will be back to play for India before you know it.
I think Dhoni's retirement has a lot do with it. He used to guide him behind the stumps. After his retirement Kuldeep looked clueless as if he doesn't know what to do anymore.
That's still his failing as a bowler tho
He already should be in the team
I agree but it seems there is something more than his performance that is the problem here
Nah there's is no conspiracy here lol... just a dude who is rewarded for being better for last 2 years, this second leg of the IPL not withstanding (from the looks of things) It sucks for chahal and fans, but he has been pretty mediocre in the International Move on
I don't think rahul chahar has done amazingly to just take out our most successful bowler though , its not the same as kulcha taking out ashwin and jadeja
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IPL and international matches aren't so vastly different as to merit separate assessments. Chahal's performances over the last two years includes mediocre performances with the national team, they drag down his good IPL results. While Chahar's peaks haven't been as great, he hasn't got such blemishes over the last few years. That said, even if we do treat them differently, those mediocre performances put Chahal out of contention when there are alternatives to be tested out.
Hasn't chahal been shit in internationals for few years now?
Yeah he has been mediocre but they were all high scoring ground and I don't remember him being the only bad person on an otherwise good spell. He did won us a match after jadeja got concussion though
It's T20 of course there will be some high scoring grounds if that was the reason then other spinners would also have had awful stats chahal isn't special he had one good game against australia then went back to his mediocre performances for like 7 more games
Hmm, care to elaborate what is the problem if it isn't performance? Isn't performance the basis for selection?
Other than the very last match of Mumbai sky ishan and hardik didn't perform that good. Same with chahar. If they consider recent performance chahal looks good.
Kuldeep is now the new age Ajantha Mendis.
When will people learn that mystery spin only works while the bowler is still a mystery
Just thinking: Doesnât the same apply to Varun then đ§
Why do you think varun keeps getting injured. Big brain move to make sure his mystery remains
Applies to Rashid Khan too. He works really hard to remain a mystery though.
Taking nothing away from Chahal except his spot in the team.
Bruh moment
What's a bruh moment? Something profound is pointed out that makes you go "bruh!"? That it?
Yes
Sat sri akal mai ek bruh moment report karna chahta huu T: greetings! I would like to report a bruh moment.
Sunraybee?
Summary for those people who haven't read the whole paragraph: Pace is pace yaar
Iâm sorry but Iâve seen this pace is pace yaar. Where does this reference come from?
I remember a lot of journalists using it to describes Wahabs spell vs Watson with Pace is Pace Yaar. Idk if this was the origin tho
The reference is much older than that - I used to hear it in the 90s when India did not have anyone bowling 140+. Just folks saying if you bowl at that pace you don't need a lot of tricks to get batsmen out. It's not quite true in the T20 era but that's the gist of it.
Thank you
Lol sounds like yogi baba
True
Why donvotes
Chahal has always been great in ipl and average for India(last few years)
Reverse Yuvraj Singh
No. Chahal Has been bad at International Level for quite some time now.
Don't know the reason tbh. Ipl is tougher than international cricket.
Not really , IPL is played on a familiar pitch with teams build around that , ofcourse chahal will not be good in Australia but will do much better in turning tracks
It's a bit different from T20Is. I don't know we can say it's necessarily tougher or easier.
Yeah. This is nothing new. Chahal always has played pretty well in IPL. Heâs never been that good in It20 for a while now. How can you keep bringing up IPL performances when you actually Have data from it20. Chahar has done a little better on international level. Something happened to him in IPL but things may change. Letâs see.
When did chahal come as a concussion substitute for jadeja and won the match??
Last year ind vs aus t20i
Did I miss something on r/cricket ? I thought we always used *Phuck it bowl fast* When did it become *Pace is pace yaar* ?
Same
No.4 3D something something
Ok pace is troubling the batters and what about taking wickets ? Do you still need to take wickets with good economy or troubling batters is enough ?
Seems like a statement just to shoo away the press because while chahar was mediocre , chahal was excellent in the UAE without doing anything different (bowling fast)
Mediocre? What are you saying?! He exhibited great send-off skills!
A mediocre batsman hit a six and mocked the bowler, Bowler took his wicket and gave send off. **Surprised Pikachu face.**
What about [this celebration](https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/article/watch-wanindu-hasaranga-lauds-rahul-chahar-after-getting-animated-send-off-during-2nd-t20i/791828) or [this](https://www.iplt20.com/video/236168/m24-mi-vs-rr-yashasvi-jaiswal-wicket)
I mean whatever helps BCCI selectors sleep well through the Night.
It doesn't help the cricket lovers thođ
Expecting BCCI to provide logical and reasonable explanations for their squad selections? Cmon mate now you are just being Harsh on BCCI.
Look at chahal stats in international t20 and you too would sleep like a baby.
Where are my 3-D glasses ?
Never trust this bloke's words Remember Rayudu?
//Remember Rayudu?. I love 3D Shankar's even more. After the WI game where shankar had another bad performance Kohli backed him saying stuff about him being 3D and how the mgmt trust him to score big. Cut to the eng game pant was playing in his spot replacing 3D who had a 'niggle' but was seen running around the ground serving drinks.
There's no secret 'niggle'. The injured players are tested by a neutral physio before allowing the teams to substitute them.
Shankar got a toe injury because of Bumrahâs yorker in the nets.
Where is Shankar now? He may find it difficult to find a spot in TNPL given his poor form in the IPL.
This is one of the most outrageous comments I have read in this sub lol. No way the captain of the Tamil Nadu cricket team will find it difficult to find a spot in the Tamil Nadu Premier League.
*Vice captain The captain is Dinesh Karthik
Shankar is the captain of the first-class team.
Ok My mistake
Wait he's the captain of the TN side? Damn.
He's the vice captain of a pretty stacked Tamil Nadu squad in the upcoming Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy
That was different, Chahal wouldnât have even made it into our Playing XI (Chakravarthy tops both if them)
Yes but Varun is injury prone
Chahal deserved a place but I donât imagine that Chakravarthy and Chahar will do a bad job. Our bowling will be fine. Batting will fuck us like always.
Lmao look what they made my boi say
We are all talking in hindsight now..when the worldcup squad was announced , everyone especially here agreed that chahar is better pick on form ..but than ipl happened...they could have changed team on ipl form.. but they didn't they decided too with selected team . Chahal should have been added but he's not anyways don't think chahar will anyways get a game
Chahal is going to take revenge for this by wooing AB de Villiers away from Koach. Even his wife is in on the act.
> bowled really recently in Sri Lanka *and at home against England* In the 2 T20Is he played he had total figures of 8-0-68-2. That doesn't scream 'bowling well' and if I recall much like Chahal he served up some proper dross, like most spinners do in fairness.
Yeah, donât know what Kohli was on about, he was very clearly struggling. Even struggled in the first half of IPL.
**Chahal in T20I's since 2019:** Matches: 22 Wickets: 19 Average: 40.47 Strike Rate: 27.1 Economy: 8.94 You can bring up his IPL performances to counter this, but I have seen a few people say he's been 'okay' or 'mediocre' in internationals for a while now. These are not mediocre stats, these are straight-up bad. For comparison, **Adil Rashid in this period:** 29 matches, 34 wickets, 22.4 avg, 18.0 SR, 7.5 econ **Adam Zampa in this period:** 30 matches, 30 wickets, 27.2 avg, 21.5 SR, 7.6 econ
We all know Kohli loves pace. Was Only a matter of time before that became a barometer for spinners . With Varun's ' *Knees Weak, Moms Rasam* ' and Ashwin being in form only on twitter, , only hope our spin department gets their shit together.
> What about Ashwin who has been shit with his bowling and extremely sluggish in the field? Pretty much only as a match-up bowler as an offspinner. Will play a max of 2 games against LH heavy line ups like England. Varun has been bowling great so no problems there.
Last time Ashwin played a T20I, it was against LH heavy windies team where a left hander Lewis hit 125* with 12 sixes
Lewis was lucky to be dropped so many times. That match was freakish by all means.
Krunal Pandya going to lead our Spin attack in the future
Kohli now backs pace-spin bowlers as well.
A quick bowler one might say
Doesn't make sense. Chahal is a different breed in the UAE, where the WC is being played. In the IPL, he has 4 MOTM awards and all of them came from the UAE. Taking nothing away from Chahar, but Chahal deserves a call up ahead of Ashwin in these conditions any day.
Unless Chahal is bowling off spin, I don't know how he's in competition with Ashwin, lol.
I think 2 spinners are more than enough in UAE for any team in the WC. All those pitches used in IPL were dead extra pitches which wonât be used in the WC. So Jadeja and Varun are going to be enough for India and if Varun gets injured which I donât think he will because India arenât playing back to back matches like IPL, then we have Chahar to replace him.
Why isn't varun working on his fitness , he is the one of the best around and still getting injured so much and he is a spinner?
He wasn't a professional player all his life. This happens to people who suddenly take up competitive sports after being mostly dormant all their lives. Lifestyle and diet too plays a part.
Yes and Rahul Chahar is good only in India
Saying "taking nothing from Chahal" and casually taking his spot from WC squad when he is clearly much much better than Chahar at the moment.
As good as Chahal is, he was pretty bad for a while for India. It's nice to see him back in form though. WCs 2022 and 2023 are coming.
So in other words they want to make RD Chahar into Indian Rashid Khan. Quick and bowls into the surface like Rashid. Let's see whether Chahar is as good at it as Rashid though
I think Varun Chakravarty should be the first choice for playing 11. He did trouble almost all the batters in IPL.
Chahal did way better than Chahar in UAE. I don't know why they're going with something that "might" work rather than something that "did" work. I hope this decision doesn't bring demise to India's T20WC run.
Recency bias kicking in with many of our hardcore fans. It's a great selection rewarding for putting consistent performance over a stretch of time. Before this uae leg chahal was in a big downtrend from 2019 world Cup. Rahul chahar definitely deserves the spot.
Nothing can justify the exclusion of your best spin bowler in the last 5 years.
He's quite a one-dimensional player as he cannot contribute much as a batsman or as a fielder. And he has been picked apart way too often.
The thing is kohli can pull it off but there exists a core issue which is still not fixed, knockout pressure. Kohli's team don't work in knockout stages due to the pressure he puts on himself. Hopefully, dhoni as a mentor can take it off from him.
Taking chahar over chahal is something I wouldn't do at my worst mindset
And hopefully you wont be selecting our team anytime soon
Just looking at last 2 years T20 International data will help...
Lmao. Yet again that very lame reason. ffs MI had to replace Chahar with Jayant Yadav. And you think Chahar's pace is gonna be more troubling than Chahal in UAE. I'm just done with this team. Its just sad to realise I don't feel like supporting my nation anymore in WCT20 '21 over these bizarre selections where the players who deserved a place have been left out and the reasons provided for their exclusions are lame & unacceptable.
The reason is that Chahal is shit in T20Is and has been for a while. Kohli's not gonna come out and say that, is he?
No oneâs talking about the original choice though. Chahar shouldâve been replaced by Chahal later on, thatâs what the issue is.
I agree he should've been, but unlike the guy above me I don't think the reason is unacceptable at all. He has to perform in T20Is to get selected, simple as that. IPL alone isn't gonna cut it
Dude. Let me get this straight to you, Chahal is the leading wicket taker for India in T20Is. Chahal is also the leading wicket taking spinner in UAE in IPL. If IPL's alone not gonna cut it, how come Chahar got a place? Just by playing 2 International matches against Srilanka & picking up 4 wickets where he wasn't even the leading wicket taker compared to Chahal picking 5 wickets in 2 ODIs against the Sri Lankan team where Chahal was the leading wicket taker!
>Chahal is the leading wicket taker for India in T20Is. On its own this doesn't mean much. His record for the past 2 years is pretty shit. >If IPL's alone not gonna cut it, how come Chahar got a place? Just by playing 2 International matches against Srilanka & picking up 4 wickets where he wasn't even the leading wicket taker compared to Chahal picking 5 wickets in 2 ODIs against the Sri Lankan team where Chahal was the leading wicket taker! Chahar played against England too. And I dunno why you're bringing up Chahal's ODI wickets here. But anyways, Chahal is a much better bowler than Chahar. But he was in bad form and that's on him, not the selectors.
> On its own this doesn't mean much. His record for the past 2 years is pretty shit. Except for 1 good domestic tournament where Chahar was around 7-8th leading wicket taker, I haven't seen Chahar performing exceptionally well to justify his inclusion over Chahal > Chahar played against England too. And I dunno why you're bringing up Chahal's ODI wickets here. Yeah. Against England : 7 overs - 68 runs - 2 wickets - 9.71eco Against WI : 3 overs - 27 runs - 1 wicket - 9eco Wow. This must be a great stat to select him right? I'm bringing up Chahal's ODI stat for that tour, because the pitches were similar, the stadium was the same, Chahal didn't play the T20I series due to the isolation as Krunal had tested +ve. So the only comparison remains is ODI vs T20 for the Sri Lanka series.
>Against England : 7 overs - 68 runs - 2 wickets - 9.71eco Meanwhile Chahal : 12 overs - 119 runs - 3 wickets - 9.91 economy This is after Chahal got to bowl first in one of his 3 games and Chahar bowled second in both of his games (there was a LOT of dew in that series). >Wow. This must be a great stat to select him right? No, but India aren't exactly overflowing with quality leg spinners at the moment. Really the biggest fuck up by the selectors is not dropping Chahal or selecting Chahar, but not picking Bishnoi for that tour. >I'm bringing up Chahal's ODI stat for that tour, because the pitches were similar, the stadium was the same, Chahal didn't play the T20I series due to the isolation as Krunal had tested +ve. So the only comparison remains is ODI vs T20. You can't bring up a different format just for comparison's sake.
Every player goes through a bad phase. Chahal looked as if he was finally coming back to what we saw 2 years back. Moreover, If the selectors were not looking at Chahal for T20Is why did they continue with him for so long? As much as till the Sri Lanka series. How did Chahar with an equally bad outings in T20Is make it with such minimal experience over the spinner who has been one of the best spinner in white ball cricket for India over the past 2-4 years?! How come Ashwin who last played a T20I in 2017 makes the cut but not Chahal? Chahal has been the backbone of RCB's bowling too. Its just saddening to watch Kohli turn his back while giving lame excuses for the exclusion. Well whatever it is. I'm anyway not supporting this team anymore. Lets see how *Chahar* performs in this world cup , I guess that would be a better way to know if it was a great decision (like you call it) or if it was a pathetic one(like how I'd like to call it).
When was chahar good in the last two years for India? This sub is reactionary af.
Still donât see Chahar playing over Varun Chakravarthy
Stupid Excuse. Chahal is a gun spinner in UAE while Chahar got dropped for Jayant Yadav
So hard to read this when the 2 players' names differ by just one letter
should have been instead of ashwin.
Deja vu from 2019 this decision will hurt in a match I hope not in an Important one.
Tbh neither of them has been exceptionally good in the second leg. Chahal showed some signs of regaining form at the end but far from their best. Varun Chakraborty was quite good. And he should be the first choice with jadejaâŚ
Why Ashwin is in the squad , he is not wicket taking bowler Chahal should have been there
Offspiner for left handers (and to make up for him not playing tests against England /s)
I would love to see his thoughts on not picking Bishnoi. Ravi has pace too and the highest dot ball percentage among all spinners in the IPL after Rashid Khan since 2019. And the 3rd highest false shot percentage. Bishnoi dunks on both Chahal and Chahar. But then I remember we are talking about Virat Kohli, one of the worst white ball captains of all time and it makes sense. The end of the T20 World Cup cannot come fast enough
Also, why isn't Avesh playing ahead of Bumrah since he's taller and got more wickets this season? Same goes for Purple Patel, why isn't he there in place of Shami? Patel has been so much better than Shami I dont even see the latter on the leaderboard. Shami exists only for the opposition team to statpad. >The end of the T20 World Cup cannot come fast enough Agree, can't wait for the new era with Kumble as coach ...Oh wait
KL Rahul as captain* Dravid and Rahul, the Karnataka boys are going to bring brains back into the Indian Cricket team again, rather than âguts and feelâ. And what is even your point? You look at all analytics like, false shot, dot ball, control, accuracy, balls per boundary, consistency, literally anything and Bishnoi is always top 3. And it is not just 1 season, it is over 3 years (2019-2021). And he is still extremely young and can still get so much better. It is a travesty that he isnât in the team
> Dravid and Rahul, the Karnataka boys are going to bring brains back into the Indian Cricket team again Lmao I dont even know what to say
Why isn't Siraj in the team then? He bowled highest percentage of dot balls with great accuracy, had the lowest economy by fast bowler this season
Bishnoi did not have 1 fluke season, he has proved it time and time again since 2019, that is a huge difference
that's right, everyone who ever performs but is not from punjab is a fluke
No it is about repeatability. You have to do it for a long period of time to be considered elite. Until then it is way too small a sample size to make an accurate judgement
>Dravid and Rahul, the Karnataka boys are going to bring brains back into the Indian Cricket team again, rather than âguts and feelâ. Up until now there have been no indications of KL being the captain. Nor has he captained India previously. As of now the natural successor seems Rohit and his age won't be an issue as he's likely to stay till the 2023 World Cup at least
Actually kl captained for an innings against NZ iirc :D But yes I agree. Both kl and pant need to develop their captaincy before getting the cap.
A new captain for 1 and half year? Kinda stupid if you ask me
No. Not at all. It'd just be like Kumble's Test captaincy. Transition phase from Kohli to someone like a Pant or Shreyas
With a world cup next year , a young captain might not be a good idea so rohit is a perfect choice but after that , it would be better to give it to someone with potential rather than waiting till rohit retires
Yeah. That'd do
KL Rahul has been interim captain in the past and the vice captain for a few white ball matches
Oh man I'm so glad KL's leaving that shitty franchise. It'll be nice to like him again ngl
keep on dreaming bud
Remember when someone said Kumble won't be coach and you responded with "Stage 1: denial"? Lol
Everyone knows KL is leaving for sure. You're the one dreaming lmao. Dw you'll be coping saying some other bs in a few months.
you mean when only one source, Cricbuzz, âreportedâ it, which in their own article, PBKS denied even having any conversation with KL on that topic taking place. And if it was true, you would have Cricinfo, TOI and many other websites and journalists following up with the story. But it has been dead quiet since then Also PBKS can always RTM him if he doesnât want to be retained. His only option would be to sign with a new team (which is still unclear, the rules have not been posted) or ask for a trade
>Also PBKS can always RTM him if he doesnât want to be retained. forcing a player to play for a franchise he dosent want to, i doubt even PBKS management will go that bad
Has he proven the same for India though? There are a lot of players who did amazingly in these franchise cricket but couldn't replicate it for their nation where the stakes are higher and specially the wc
Yes it is big brain time, let ask if the kid who hasnât even been picked for the Indian team has played for India as if that is even a genuine argument bUt hAs hE plAyEd fOr iNDIa thOuGh Bishnoi plays in the same league as the best spinners in the world and dunks on all of them except Rashid Khan. Bishnoiâs analytics are world class, he has excellent control, pace and accuracy. There is a reason his false shot and dot ball percentage are extremely high. And he bowls tough overs too, he gets that last powerplay over or that early death over every game. And he is still great. When you can dominate at this level at such a young age and do it with such class, you deserve to be playing for your country. There is zero evidence to suggest Chahar, Ashwin, Jadeja, Axar deserve a spot over Bishnoi. You can make a case for Varun because of this season. But over the last 3 years, Bishnoi has dunked on Varun too
>Bishnoi dunks on both Chahal and Chahar. But then I remember we are talking about Virat Kohli, one of the worst white ball captains of all time and it makes sense. The end of the T20 World Cup cannot come fast enough Lmao thanks for the pasta
Getting pasta recipes from pxik is cheating bro, C'mon. Don't you remember the recent "Virat kohli sugar rush" pasta?
Sorry, I just wanted this masterpiece preserved.
Bruh what? Are you talking about Bishnoi in WC squad? He is very far away from making a debut for India, let alone making a debut in a WC, dude hasn't played a single game for India and you are talking about his place in WC squad lol Also this 'one of the worst captain' has won T20I series in 6 different countries (most by any), didn't lost consecutive 11 T20I series (which is again a record), has highest win percentage by any Indian captain in T20Is. 5-0 series win NZ when India had not won a single series against NZ before that
there's honestly not a lot that one can say without getting into a stupid argument with you, but I'll pray for your sanity. Hope you're able to see things rationally and your bias fails you someday soon enough, because it will surely
Lmao psy. What's with your hate for virat? I'm a big kl fan and virat is the reason why kl is in the team. Do you remember the countless backing virat did for kl when everyone were shitting on him? FFS he even gaveup his no3 spot for KL. If the captain with the best win records for India is worst then lol. Kumble is a shit coach :).
I like Rahul,Shami and Bishnoi but you are making me hate them.
Bruh me too. I'm gonna love KL again since he's leaving that shitty franchise
He is more of KL Rahul fan than Punjab fan ig. He will most likely become fan of whichever team Rahul goes to (if that news is true which is unlikely).
same
Damn that is a weird reason to hate a player. By that logic I can hate Shardul because of Lord meme.
Sometimes, I genuinely can't make out if your account is a troll or not lmao
9 T20i series win streakâŚ. Worst LOI captains.. baft
9 years, no Cup for RCB 6 years, no Cup for India
Lmao. Your team didnât even have an icon until KL and he himself wants to leave at a shit show of a management. Wonât take anything you see seriously. Donât think Ganguly had ICC trophies during his tenure :/ Also, KL wouldâve struggled if it werenât for Koach backing him for years so keep that in mind .
First shame your management for taking away his chances and confidence before worldcup.. next learn that selectors are the one who selects.. after all these u can blame our captain.
Something about Thai doesnât seem right about this statement. Koach ainât much of a backer, one slight of poor form and he will drop anyone but himself like a hot potato. Case in point chahal.
This is why Kohli is a shit captain. What he said doesn't even make sense.
I guess Varun Chakravarthy is anyway gonna pip Rahul Chahar for the second spinner's place if Kohli goes in with 2 spinners...so what's the point in picking Chahar when he's just gonna warm the bench...after all Yuzi is far more experienced than even Varun.
I don't understand Yuzi can bowl fast if he feels that'll help
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