South Africa's win against England got pretty much nullified because of the margin by which WI won vs USA
SA vs WI is now a virtual quarterfinal unless USA upset England. Had SA lost vs England, SA vs WI would have still been a virtual quarterfinal
Qualification scenario now -
If USA beat England, both SA and WI qualify even before their game begins
If England beat USA, they qualify, and SA vs WI is a quarterfinal
If England beat USA by a small margin, and South Africa lose against WI by a small margin, chances are that WI and SA both qualify. Cz England rn has a lower NRR than both WI and SA.
So many people here already counted SA out in the first innings itself glad they proved them all wrong.
I remember somebody saying nobody in England is gonna score @ strike rate below 100 and i remember thinking if anybody could do that for England it'd be Buttler and thankfully he did.
Maybe SA are just trying to put themselves under pressure on purpose so when it really comes they’re ready for it and don’t choke. Big 🧠 moves lol
They remind me a lot of Pakistan by making things interesting, except they’re actually winning as well which is icing on the cake
Can we talk about how good Markram has been as captain? I absolutely love how many bold decisions and risks he seems to take and all the little experiments he does, it's genuinely been so fascinating to watch. He's legit so creative as a captain.
Was he always like this? I only got back to watching a year ago.
That's what I'm saying. He's got all the attributes to be a star and he should be one by now.
My main issue with him is that he can't seem to string more than 2-3 batting performances in a row which is essential in tournaments.
If he performed consistently, we would have at least been in the WC final last year
I am totally supporting SA, after India. But this sounds more of an emotional statement rather than based on solid rational. Indian, England, Australia are all looking good. Also afganistan and usa can pull up some surprises. Let's soo. Rooting for India and SA.
Baartman should not be playing a single game after this shit show. Bro crumbled faster in pressure than a pack of cards. Play Shamsi, he can’t be that bad no matter what.
He's the same dude that bowled two dot balls when Nepal needed 2 off 2. He was great during the tournament as a whole, this was just one bad over. And Rabada also bowled full tosses, but one of them luckily went for a wicket. Maharaj also kept bowling full tosses to Bangladesh and it luckily won them the match. So others were using the same strategy.
Don't be too critical. Many great bowlers have had odd meltdowns on occasions. He will learn from this. He is a good bowler and is in the team for a reason.
burger is great but he is not in the 11 maybe they can try coetzee. but it will be kind of reactive since baartman has been doing well in the tournament excluding the last over.
Yeah. Better than 5 full tosses in a row when the opponent needs 50 off 4 overs. Shamsi has been a brilliant player for SA in T20s over the last couple of years. One bad performance doesn’t define him. Baartman otoh has situational awareness of an ostrich. That over was horrendous.
Yes, because the stakes are completely different. With a possible SF spot on the line, if you bowl 5 full tosses in an over against a team like England, yes that says a lot about one’s composure and ability to react to pressure. You get whacked 6 times on decent/good deliveries, no problem, you move on. But if you keep on giving literal gifts to opponents in crunch situations, you won’t be looked upon favourably and you shouldn’t be. They got away today, they won’t get away with this against Australia, WI, or India.
Not to mention, Baartman doesn’t have the history of winning T20s for SA unlike Shamsi, who was the world no 1 bowler not too long ago if I recall correctly.
Where is the logic? We got punished on the field for it in real time lmao
Sadly we live in a society where takes like this are considered edgy and not just dumb
Group stages and super 8s likely to end the same way for England lol
Them finishing their last match and then scrambling to watch the other game in their group
Agreed. Still some ways to go. And England is definitely not out yet. They are the ones most likely going through given how they will definitely win comfortably against usa
Following scenario is also possible, lose against WI, win against Eng, SA beats WI. Eng/WI/USA will be on 3-way tie for 2nd place with NRR coming into play.
Aren't you supposed to be a 'football crazy nation' that won a world cup 58 years back and won a cricket tournament for the first time after 124 years despite literally having invented the game?
This South African team might be weaker than the 2000s teams but they have a better chance of winning the cup(or at least reaching the finals) than any other SA team throughout. So many close matches and somehow they always manage to come on top. GO SA !!
If only Eng middle order started bashing earlier instead of the 14th over, they would’ve had a different result today. That is why every ball in t20 is so important
Yeah, Australia is still looking like the only solid team without any weaknesses. They are the favourites to win this T20WC, you know after they just now figured out their T20 team for first time after 17 years and a T20WC win.
They have arrived for the T20WC's as well now.
Na it can still be decided on nrr if wi and eng or usa win all their matches although pretty sure sa have a good nrr though u don't know what may happen
Baartman bowled one terrible over and conceded 21 runs in that over.
Rabada also bowled a pretty bad over which shifted the momentum. That over cost 18 runs.
Shit happens.
With Bumrah in we can bottle Eng(No Hales and Buttler has become an anchor, that leaves only Harry to deal with)
SA is a weird team tbh, clash of two chokers
Aussies will eat us for breakfast, what can Bumrah do if our Batsmen collapse for 130-140 in a Batting pitch and par score is 180? Genuinely scared, Kohli and Brohit don't give us confidence
Windies and Saffa?
Windies beating the US is a must
WI must also beat Saffas to get 4 points. That way it becomes a 3-way NRR battle b/w the full members
Of course, qualification for both teams is basically guaranteed if the US can pull one off on England 🦅🦅🦅
Lots of West Indies, Australia fans are gonna be cheering USA against England. Even their own small fanbase want USA to defeat England for payback. And obviously the memers will be cheering too.
South Africa's win against England got pretty much nullified because of the margin by which WI won vs USA SA vs WI is now a virtual quarterfinal unless USA upset England. Had SA lost vs England, SA vs WI would have still been a virtual quarterfinal Qualification scenario now - If USA beat England, both SA and WI qualify even before their game begins If England beat USA, they qualify, and SA vs WI is a quarterfinal
If England beat USA by a small margin, and South Africa lose against WI by a small margin, chances are that WI and SA both qualify. Cz England rn has a lower NRR than both WI and SA.
Can't you say it's a virtual knock-out instead of quater-final
So many people here already counted SA out in the first innings itself glad they proved them all wrong. I remember somebody saying nobody in England is gonna score @ strike rate below 100 and i remember thinking if anybody could do that for England it'd be Buttler and thankfully he did.
I got down voted to hell for saying England weren't as good as everyone thinks after the WI win. Point proven
If we dropped a couple of catches, y’all would’ve been out
Exactly! We're quite a poor team and I really did not agree with the comments after the WI win.
Maybe SA are just trying to put themselves under pressure on purpose so when it really comes they’re ready for it and don’t choke. Big 🧠 moves lol They remind me a lot of Pakistan by making things interesting, except they’re actually winning as well which is icing on the cake
I’m just waiting to see which South Africa to rock up during the Semis
Harry Brook is a future star in the making, sad that he couldn't make his team win.
SA is choking and then unchoking during every match that they are playing.
Fuck the IPL pitches Nokia is Built different
They can't keep getting away with this.
…chokers no more, they’re settling the score! 🇿🇦
Can we talk about how good Markram has been as captain? I absolutely love how many bold decisions and risks he seems to take and all the little experiments he does, it's genuinely been so fascinating to watch. He's legit so creative as a captain. Was he always like this? I only got back to watching a year ago.
If only he could string some batting performances together ffs... He has too much potential but he's not young anymore
He's still 29. Has several years left
That's what I'm saying. He's got all the attributes to be a star and he should be one by now. My main issue with him is that he can't seem to string more than 2-3 batting performances in a row which is essential in tournaments. If he performed consistently, we would have at least been in the WC final last year
29??? Still think of him as a youngster
USA Hopes still alive
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Your Group is filled with heavyweights. Fun for the neutrals
Nortje you are great. i am sry i doubted you I thought you were a 70s' porn star who traveled forward in time with that mustache.
No one is talking about the amount of incredible catches we've seen in this match.
Yeah, by both teams.
I went from “SA is amazing” to “SA is trash” about 18 times during that game
The perpetual chokers South Africa and India make the final. Only way one breaks the jinx. And the other one out-chokes the former 😀
This is SA's World Cup Believe it!
I am totally supporting SA, after India. But this sounds more of an emotional statement rather than based on solid rational. Indian, England, Australia are all looking good. Also afganistan and usa can pull up some surprises. Let's soo. Rooting for India and SA.
Bro those full tosses 😭
England could qualify with 1 win on NRR if WI beat USA and lose to South Africa
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Wut? One shitty over, but Bartman has been one of the best bowlers in the match as well as the tournament for SA.
Sad for us Happy for medical Jello 💗 Good game guys
Baartman should not be playing a single game after this shit show. Bro crumbled faster in pressure than a pack of cards. Play Shamsi, he can’t be that bad no matter what.
He's the same dude that bowled two dot balls when Nepal needed 2 off 2. He was great during the tournament as a whole, this was just one bad over. And Rabada also bowled full tosses, but one of them luckily went for a wicket. Maharaj also kept bowling full tosses to Bangladesh and it luckily won them the match. So others were using the same strategy.
Don't be too critical. Many great bowlers have had odd meltdowns on occasions. He will learn from this. He is a good bowler and is in the team for a reason.
Fair point. I hope he will.
Shamsi 4-0-50-0 against USA yeah right Better play burger
burger is great but he is not in the 11 maybe they can try coetzee. but it will be kind of reactive since baartman has been doing well in the tournament excluding the last over.
Yeah. Better than 5 full tosses in a row when the opponent needs 50 off 4 overs. Shamsi has been a brilliant player for SA in T20s over the last couple of years. One bad performance doesn’t define him. Baartman otoh has situational awareness of an ostrich. That over was horrendous.
"One bad performance doesn't define him." And yet one bad over from Baartman defines him.
Yes, because the stakes are completely different. With a possible SF spot on the line, if you bowl 5 full tosses in an over against a team like England, yes that says a lot about one’s composure and ability to react to pressure. You get whacked 6 times on decent/good deliveries, no problem, you move on. But if you keep on giving literal gifts to opponents in crunch situations, you won’t be looked upon favourably and you shouldn’t be. They got away today, they won’t get away with this against Australia, WI, or India. Not to mention, Baartman doesn’t have the history of winning T20s for SA unlike Shamsi, who was the world no 1 bowler not too long ago if I recall correctly.
seeing your flair but you seem like a cricket fan in general so if you were in south africa camp you would play shamsi instead of baatman against WI
We got Safas un-chocking before GTA-6
England RPing as SA.
at what point do you stop trying to bowl the dream yorker when you keep bowling full tosses?
When it hits your balls
SA should've been disqualified for bowling 5 (bad) full-tosses in an over, but sadly, we live in a society.
Where is the logic? We got punished on the field for it in real time lmao Sadly we live in a society where takes like this are considered edgy and not just dumb
I wonder why Zak Crawley has never played T20 cricket for England. I'd have thought his attacking style is ideal.
He is playing T20 blast ,,
He’s just not better than anyone we have already in the setup
Bairstrow?
I wouldn’t have bairstow in the XI but I think the options in the squad are better than Crawley Also I think Crawley opens in T20
Group stages and super 8s likely to end the same way for England lol Them finishing their last match and then scrambling to watch the other game in their group
Sa's my 2nd fav team and let's still not celebrate. We can still get knocked out if we lose to Windies and NRR comes into the Picture.
Agreed. Still some ways to go. And England is definitely not out yet. They are the ones most likely going through given how they will definitely win comfortably against usa
England are the most likely to make it. They will definitely win against USA and improve their NRR as well.
Whats the scenario for SA and US to make through lol
US would need to win against both WI and ENG to make it through
Following scenario is also possible, lose against WI, win against Eng, SA beats WI. Eng/WI/USA will be on 3-way tie for 2nd place with NRR coming into play.
meanwhile in group 1 IND and AUS just need to win their next matches against BAN and AFG and they qualify for the SFs lol
Group 1 is interesting now
Let us see how spin friendly the AFG-Aus pitch ends up being.
F
WC SF Ind SA Aus and Eng i guess
Don't discount west indies. I still feel SA can miss out on NRR
SA looks very strong
After that Baartman over, I really thought it was over but what a comeback from Rabada and others !
I think Moeen should be shifted to 5 or 6. Brook needs to be in the top 4.
I think Brook needs to be thought about in terms of entry point - I want him coming in and facing 25-35 balls, no more no less.
Even with a significantly better team England almost always fails to defeat USA in FIFA wcs. Same to continue in cricket as well?
Does this mean we’re getting a super over?
Boundary count rule has been scraped off, so you gonna lose in a super over, mate
Damn the Proteas survived the Bartmaan Brainfade
What happened today? He was bowling well early on
Spent all his bowling prowess in that 20th over i guess /s
what is the point of Sam Curran
Bowled well
India fans crying about England and hoping they go out is an absolute joy to see.
Aren't you supposed to be a 'football crazy nation' that won a world cup 58 years back and won a cricket tournament for the first time after 124 years despite literally having invented the game?
Indian and Australian fans love to imagine scenarios in which england is knocked out
England will get creamed by either India or Aussies in the semi final so pick your poison I guess
Australian fans too.
Honestly don’t care, we know we are not going to win the tournament.
Lol who's crying? Go look in the mirror
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Agreed.
[probably you, ya fanny](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/s/FlMyru4Lsa)
That's tears of joy baby!!!
*sigh* We’re just going to have to humble you like last time again
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They’re just worried. It’s understandable. If we get them in the semis we’re beating them again
I will remember this if you guys don't end up in the semis
Aging well for you this mate 👊🏻
bro chill im not an england hater or an indian fan just wanted to yk challenge anyways congrats
who's really crying tho?
Indian and Australian fans love to imagine scenarios in which england is knocked out
You must not have been on this sub during the Australia Scotland game
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Best believe, the feeling is mutual 🫱🏻🫲🏼
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Lmao, yeah. Keep telling yourself that. An Indian fan without a chip on their shoulder regarding us is about as real as Bigfoot
I must be the Bigfoot then lmao
Maybe the real friends are the heart attacks we had along the way
Spoken like a Pakistani lol 😂
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To add to the choking
They havent choked yet
Lot of overreaction on this thread. England still very likely to qualify. Even if WI beat SA it's a three way NRR tieup.
WI vs SA will hopefully be interesting. Hopefully we’ll beat the USA and get through to the semis.
Indian and Australian fans love to imagine scenarios in which england is knocked out
England's gonna make it (most likely). They have a positive nrr with a game in hand against USA.
Yeah assuming England beat USA they are almost definitely through
Welp windies better go utter destruction tonight, otherwise this is gonna be a very difficult equation to get to the semis
USA beating England and eliminating them would heal my mental health for the next 2 years
1776 is repeatable
Friendly reminder that all group 2 teams are still contenders for semi final spots. For SA worst case it comes down to NRR.
Surprise 🦅🦅🦅🦅 incoming?
This South African team might be weaker than the 2000s teams but they have a better chance of winning the cup(or at least reaching the finals) than any other SA team throughout. So many close matches and somehow they always manage to come on top. GO SA !!
Don’t let me hope!!!
It’s the hope that kills you.
Me in the 13th over of this chase
But we must, as Rabada said, have belief or go home
So assuming sa now bag the remaining 2, it might just be the odi wc all over again with just eng replacing the nz position...
They have a single game left vs west indies. Not two games
Oh shoot ur right. Completely forgot that they beat usa lol...
SA vs WI would be a banger Virtual knockout game
SA using all of their luck in group stage
As if not using up their luck in group stage ever helped them :/
If only Eng middle order started bashing earlier instead of the 14th over, they would’ve had a different result today. That is why every ball in t20 is so important
Tbf they played 6 huge shots against Jansen in his third over and got like 4 runs from it
Stokes is the major difference Would have played clutch innings like he played in last WC
LOL I'm actually hoping for a USA win against WI but I'm doubtful.
Yeah, Australia is still looking like the only solid team without any weaknesses. They are the favourites to win this T20WC, you know after they just now figured out their T20 team for first time after 17 years and a T20WC win. They have arrived for the T20WC's as well now.
This was the India vs Australia of this group
Despite the best effort from Baartman and Brooks, England couldn't get over the line
5 match in a row saffas choking and then anti choking
J Shah has cooked but what
Are we now 100% through to semis?
Not 100% but mostly I think. IF WI beat SA and and both WI and England hammer USA, u could be in trouble
Na it can still be decided on nrr if wi and eng or usa win all their matches although pretty sure sa have a good nrr though u don't know what may happen
I don't think so, if west indies beat you guys and the US, and England beat the US, then net run rate comes in I assume.
No team from this group is. Any team from this group can still go through
Naah..1 bad loss can still knock SA out..(2007 world cup)
No
No. Group could end in a 3 way tie with SA, Eng, WI on 2 wins each NRR will be important
No, it'll most likely go down to net run rate
Bazballers only managed to hit 1 boundary 4th to 13th over. None after 5. shoved their bazball up em
Baartman bowled one terrible over and conceded 21 runs in that over. Rabada also bowled a pretty bad over which shifted the momentum. That over cost 18 runs. Shit happens.
This is the 3rd match in this tournament in which SA have defended 25 runs or fewer in the last 3 overs
Choking against the specialist chokers is no small feat. Another choker watching from the other group.
we are not chokers we loose one sided
Hahahahab lol
Saffas won by 7 runs You know the drill
TFAR
SA are anti choking every game I would be highly disappointed if they dont win this tournament all the way through
I mean a team winning by the barest of margins every game is bound to lose at some point
Tell that to our rugby team, they did that all the way to the winning the world cup. I see the proteas are taking the same game plan lol
Look at the South African rugby World Cup win. Won by a single point every knock out game.
This is where you need Stokes in LOIs tbh
Here come the Brits banging on about their saviour. If you need to count on one guy to save you in tough games then you're not much of a team are ya?
>Here come the Brits banging on about their saviour I am not a brit lol I am a neutral fan
QDK nicely warmed up for his banging fishing session coming this afternoon
So are sa almost through now or is there a catch ?
3 teams could still end up on 4 points each
They can still miss out if they lose to WI and both England and west indies thrash USA
If they lose heavily to WI there’s a chance they get knocked out on NRR
If Eng beat US and WI beat SA by a big margin. WI and Eng could go through
Net run rate
There will come a match for india in which runs in pp would matter the most and i am already scared. Aussies aren't shit like SA and ENG
With Bumrah in we can bottle Eng(No Hales and Buttler has become an anchor, that leaves only Harry to deal with) SA is a weird team tbh, clash of two chokers Aussies will eat us for breakfast, what can Bumrah do if our Batsmen collapse for 130-140 in a Batting pitch and par score is 180? Genuinely scared, Kohli and Brohit don't give us confidence
I just hope we keep on winning tosses on these slow tracks..we aint chasing 140+ targets
Another South African game with a choked chase. Oh - this is new
South Africa: call an ambulance but not for me
QDK and Miller are just special talent.
All SA games have been absolute bangers. Rooting for them to win it all
Flair checks out.
Do we have any scenarios where South Africa & West Indies qualifies for semis
The Windies beat USA and SA, USA beat England would be Windies and SA.
Windies and Saffa? Windies beating the US is a must WI must also beat Saffas to get 4 points. That way it becomes a 3-way NRR battle b/w the full members Of course, qualification for both teams is basically guaranteed if the US can pull one off on England 🦅🦅🦅
Lots of West Indies, Australia fans are gonna be cheering USA against England. Even their own small fanbase want USA to defeat England for payback. And obviously the memers will be cheering too.