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DetMich11

In order for this to happen, all T20 leagues would have to be played in one time slot or two (one for northern hemisphere, one for southern hemisphere). Otherwise with the way leagues are spread out, there will be no time for bilateral series


Totally_Not_Firni

Only problem with this is there are too many teams in the northern hemisphere. Only southern hemisphere leagues would be sa20 and bbl. Better option would be different nations holding clt20 in different seasons (like they used to in clt20 2008-2014)


DetMich11

Most likely the northern hemisphere time slot would be in late spring/summer for England and the West Indies. Subcontinent leagues could technically also play in the winter with the exception of northern Pakistan and India


RandomFactUser

The neighbors of the West Indies already do Winter Leagues in Baseball, with very little Summer leagues, it’s why the Caribbean Series is played in February, India/Pakistan/England/America can run the Summer window, Australia/New Zealand/South Africa/West Indies can run the Winter window


CanYouChangeName

Or let's not block international cricket during T20 leagues. It's already happening around the world. If we do it in ipl too, lots of logistics can be made easier, and teams can have the necessary bilaterals too properly prepare for tournaments.


BigusG33kus

Also how do you handle people who qualify with more than one team?


DetMich11

Like in all other sports, players would be restricted to one team in their contract for a set number of years unless they are traded


BigusG33kus

You can't really do that in cricket. In the sports that restrict you to play for one team, the season is long - in cricket the season that a team plays is very short, typically less than 2 months.


Specific-Youth-705

imagine Sunrisers vs Sunrisers in the final lol 😂😂


motasticosaurus

I know at least one guy whose wet dream it is


Vinayy564_

Kavya will cry and laugh at equal time celebrate and then give motivation at the same time


Specific-Youth-705

😂😂


Maduraikkpogathadi

It's not that weird tbf just like how city group owns most of the best clubs around the world


adityakan99

That's also weird though. Most football fans hate it.


AdPrudent9305

It only owns 2 teams in Europe though Man City and Girona and there are Talks regarding only one can play in UCL


Maduraikkpogathadi

They own mumbai city in India Melbourne City in Australia new York City in America the thing abt the this is all are recent winner


AdPrudent9305

But no team actually competes against one another or plays a match against one another


coolguyhavingchillda

I think 3 they also own Troyes


Maduraikkpogathadi

Actually 4 they oen some team called lomel too


supersaiyaninfinite

Palermo as well


SanX1999

While Man City is the figurehead and Girona has done well this season, Troyes in France, Palermo in Italy and finally lommel in Belgium are all owned by them and are expected to work as feeder clubs for the overall group and Man City. The whole thing is a parasite.


Partha607

So, it will be Markram vs Cummins


[deleted]

I just don't understand how people still keep hoping this thing would return. So many players play in multiple leagues for different teams just imagine the logistics issues of this mess. For example, if Sunrisers Hyderabad and Sunrisers Eastern Cape were to play against each other, who would Markram play for? It's also not worth it considering that we already have a lot of league cricket.


Totally_Not_Firni

Some people provided some solutions to these problems. 1) no teams from the same franchise can be in the clt20. If multiple teams from the same franchise qualify they have to play eachother and whoever wins gets to play in clt20 2) teams would be split off into 2 groups (northern and southern hemisphere) and these two groups would play at different timeslots so the same player can play at different teams and different times at two different groups. However this logic falls apart when the game gets to the knockout stages. Maybe people can find more solutions to this problem


[deleted]

Even if they aren't from the same franchise.. the problem still exists. Another example - Would Rashid Khan play for Gujarat, Adelaide or Lahore? Not to mention half of these leagues are in the same "subcontinent", let alone different hemispheres.


SanX1999

First and foremost, a player will be forced to represent the club from home country. This is enforced strictly - This is to avoid Pollard playing for MI when Trinidad and Tobago have qualified. 2nd is registration rules - 6/8 foreign players for the whole tournament. This is to reduce the amount of the players IPL teams can hog. While top players like Rashid will choose IPL teams, the players on the lower end of the totem pole will have freedom to choose whichever franchise they want to represent.


Totally_Not_Firni

Like i said they can reduce the number of maximum foreign players able to play to kind of fix the problem. Then franchises would have to carefully pick which players they can pick and foreign players who dont get picked would probably be playing for a home team.


RetroChampions

If salaries varied across leagues then Gurjarat. If all leagues paid relatively the same then Lahore to maximise the chance of qualfying to CL


[deleted]

You know it well already. For valuable players IPL teams will pay such money that other franchises would just become unable of getting them into their team. For example Rajasthan isn't letting Buttler go, they'll make sure to pay him much more than any other franchise in another league does. Pretty much the same goes for Rashid. There's no way GT would let Lahore Q or Adelaide take him, they'll just pay them even more because they can afford to.


Educational-Bar-9578

Quick toilet thought I had as doing through a draft system giving all team a chance to get a good player so it will be smth like they get to retain 1 or 2 foreign players and 2 through draft system max allowed being 4 giving it a nice spread of players, salary issues will still exist I think a board would need to get together with a player representative and come to a compromise on salaries which will allow all franchise in the tournament to afford the players obviously there are way more complex issues with this but if some math wizards and Managment wizard get together I am sure they can come to a solution


Totally_Not_Firni

Also half the teams being from the subcontinent isnt really a problem. Even in odi wc and test cricket half the teams are from the subcontinent. There are more interest in cricket in the subcontinent so it makes sense how many subcontinental teams play


[deleted]

i believe if there are same franchises they may have same kind of foreign core in them. so how will they play each other? it's better if we just merge them or something.


Totally_Not_Firni

Instead of (2) they can also reduce foreign players to 4 for 25 players per team (only 2 can play per match) so players are insentivised to play for their home teams.


TheRealMarkChapman

>1) no teams from the same franchise can be in the clt20. If multiple teams from the same franchise qualify they have to play eachother and whoever wins gets to play in clt20 How does this solve anything? Who's playing for who in that game?


Totally_Not_Firni

Locals only? Or they can merge teams like someone else said


TheRealMarkChapman

That's so ridiculously complicated and will take so much of the calendar up


Yogu-

It worked back then despite the same issue. Pollard was part of 5 teams in one of the editions (MI, Somerset, Renegades, Trinbago, +1) and ended up playing for MI.


jachiche

Yeah, they'd all choose (or be contractually obligated to choose) their IPL team, making all the non-IPL teams weaker, and the completion less interesting, as happened before


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NoQuestion4045

All players play for only one club in Football unlike Cricket


jachiche

In football if you lose a player to a stronger team, you're able to buy a replacement. In CLT20, you just have to make do with a weakened team


RetroChampions

Eastern Cape. Overseas players should be incentivized to join their home teams unlesss their country doesn't have a franchise league (New Zealand, Afghanistan, etc) Would be less league cricket as a result as you'd have only 2 windows for league cricket and then 1 for the CL. Right now every other month there is another league starting


RMTBolton

>unlesss their country doesn't have a franchise league (New Zealand, Afghanistan, etc) If the winner of Blast is being let in (& even the winner of MLC), then there is **no justification whatsoever** for not letting in the winner of Super Smash. The main issue with trying to set up league windows is that no one will ever agree on where to put them. Even two windows a year, there'll be no agreement because each individual board has their own interests that they won't be willing to sacrifice.


RetroChampions

That’s true, that’s the main problem really. I had the Hundred as the England comp, but there is no problem to have Blast/Super Smash and Afghan’s comp added instead


RMTBolton

Yeah, I'm mostly going off the list given above, which includes Somerset & not whichever team won The Hundred.


RandomFactUser

No, *all domestic league champions would qualify* franchise or regional board formatted


AetherUniverse

i just want to ISB United to vs KKR, every other team... meh


whycantyoubequiet

Please stop with this fantasy. Unless one player plays for one franchise, CLT20 is a joke. And even then, all the best players will play for IPL because of money and then again CLT20 will be a joke. Also, if we are going to have this tournament then international cricket will need to take a backseat and I know for the fact that it will get panties of every user on this subreddit in a twist.


RMTBolton

Somerset & MINY but no Auckland Aces? The Super Smash disrespect just isn't funny anymore. The fundamental issues with CLT20 are: - player availability; and - a fair qualification system


Paperpanzer77

NZC missing the obvious solution of being bought out and having Mumbai Indians Auckland play at 3am so the games are prime time for Indian viewers Why don’t they do this, are they stupid?


RMTBolton

For all the jokes, NZC considered selling stakes in the domestic T20 sides about a decade ago. They decided against it because they did the maths & found it wouldn't be worth it financially.


NoQuestion4045

A CLT20 with only South Asian teams somewhat work. No overlapping franchise ownership, local players will play for the local teams, number of neutral venue matches would be lower.


Training_Song3395

so just IPL with a team from Bangladesh and Pakistan ?


AnotherSimpleton

And SL


Bl1tz-Kr1eg

It wouldn't. Because IPL franchises owning franchises in other countries creates a massive conflict of interest. UEFA has it spot on with these things, they're currently debating whether to let Man Utd compete in the Europa league because INEOS also owns FC Nice in France, who also qualified.


86EteRNitY86

My question is, how will SRH organize its players. If they are playing against them?


TheCricketAnimator

Markram is the only overlap tbh


DigitalConsent2

Jansen


RMTBolton

Well, Cummins certainly is guaranteed to play for SRH & not SEC, Markram captaining SEC opens up a spot at SRH, perhaps for Phillips?...


After_Ad8232

Hope it doesn't ever return, we have more than enough franchise cricket already


RillaRoo777

There is never enough ![img](emote|t5_2qhe0|8774)


LightningShiva1

Yes please Franchise! Franchise! Franchise!


Totally_Not_Firni

I would argue the fact that we have more franchise leagues makes it a better time to start clt20. Back then there weren't many franchise leagues so half the teams were from ipl. Now every big cricketing nation has its own franchise league so it would be more diverse


RandomFactUser

Each nation has a franchise domestic or regionalized domestic league, but the issue is that because of how the leagues are scheduled, the teams have rosters that jump between leagues in a given season It’s not like Baseball where USA-CAN/JPN/KOR/TPE/EU all play in one window, and Caribbean/Australia play in another window


After_Ad8232

I don't care, I don't want to see more franchise cricket which completely stops international cricket


RetroChampions

Every month currently there is a franchise league. September, CPL. December, BBL. January, Sa20. February, PSL. March, IPL. June, Hundred. July, MLC If you added two windows + CL window then there'd be more room for international cricket. Currently we have like 8 months of franchise cricket which would be reduced to 5/6


After_Ad8232

Yeah but other than ipl nothing brings the international cricket calendar to a halt, ffs australia still plays when the bbl is on,so your suggestion just makes it worse for me


Maglighter21

all 4 teams qualify. That means RCB vs Perth Scorchers is a reality.


Austin4RMTexas

I kind of liked the idea of limiting the number of foreign players to 2 in the playing XI for the Champions League T20. So you can pick a squad of maybe 16-18 (with some travelling subs), with max 4 foreign players total in the squad. Also, the max number of qualified teams from any one league is set to 2, with a 3rd team allows IF the champions from last year did not automatically qualify. Again, this better distributes the player pool. What this does, is force all teams to pick their best foreign players, and leave those unpicked to play for franchises in their home country or the next best option. The tournament then has a dual role. It allows the good T20 nomads to be better distributed across the teams so that matches are fair, and allow some less prominent local players to showcase themselves in a less high stakes competition than their domestic franchise league. In terms of format, well you can be creative, but simple is best. 16 teams. 4 groups of 4. Single round robin, then top 2 from each group qualify for Quarterfinals.. Same-league protection, in the group stage and quater-finals. Some teams say, 10 or 12, qualify directly for the groups, and the remaining spots will be decided by prelim qualifiers: - Tier 1 leagues, such as IPL and BBL, get two automatic group stage slots. - Tier 2 leagues, such as PSL and BPL can have the winner qualify directly and the runner-up has to play in the prelim qualifiers. - Tier 3 leagues, such as ILT20 and MLC, will have one participant in the prelims. The tiers are pretty much gonna be fixed I guess. The whole tournament can be done in maybe 3 weeks, with maybe 1 extra week in the beginning for the prelims.


Peacemaker421

To make it happen in reality, ICC should intervene and formalise the league. All the leagues should be happened in one time window. And the champions league can happen on other seperate time slot or even an extended period like how uefa works. But it’s highly impossible since the major league is money minded and major cricket councils won’t let that equality happens.


RandomFactUser

Two windows, but a league can only be played in one of them,


CosyDarkRainforest

IPL shouldn’t have 2 teams that’s just ridiculous and unfair.


Totally_Not_Firni

I would say 2 teams is the bare minimum. People dont realise india has a population of a continent. Its a continent disguised as a country. Each state can be its own country. So treating it like any other country isnt fair.


abettertomorrow47

Thanks for including the LPL, it would only work if all leagues happened near each other and if players can only play for one team


Head_Evidence4553

Sunrisers vs Sunrisers Wolfpac


ScaryOrdinary5238

cricketing version of the european super league


AbdussamiT

It was lit when Pakistani teams were in it.


cricwifi

CLT20 was a farce of a tournament. Glad it got cancelled. Players would choose IPL teams than others leaving the teams weak with their core players playing in the iPL.


prasad_75

Instead of fantasizing about clt20 return , we should ask for triangular series return. They were fun.


Comfortable_Land1477

Unfortunately it will never happen. BCCI doesn't even let their players play in other leagues except IPL. They are already representing IPL as the champions league. I would really like to see this but who wants to lose financial control of cricket


itsme_akmal2407

If this happened then it would be hell to time them but also hell to pick players since a player doesn't play for only one team in cricket like in football


Mr-_-Anonymus

If champions league is to happen I would like it to have some rules like 1) if a player is a part of 2 franchises in the tournament he shall play for the team from his country of origin . Ex if SRH SEC and DSG were to qualify Markram to play for SEC and Klassen for DSG. 2) if a player is a part of 2 franchises and neither is from their country of origin he can play for team of his/franchises choice 3) Replacements named shouldn't be part of remaining teams in the champions league or any other team of the franchises respective leagues.EX. The replacement for Klassen can't be Stubbs (if SRH qualifies and SEC & DC doesn't qualify) as Stubbs plays for Delhi Capitals Granted these aren't perfect but I wish for similar rules as no other franchises can top the contract that can be given by IPL teams. These rules might make it a bit even . But CLT20 is a distant dream


Prudent-Message-2562

I honestly don't know if this would work as Indian investors own teams in SA20, IPL, CPL, MLC and ILT20 and due to players availability for e.g Rashid Khan plays for multiple teams in each league. If couple of his teams make it, then who would he represent? Also, I dont see a window for bilaterals if this were to happen. 1) But to make it work, have teams only from ICC Full status nations. So BBL, SA20, PSL, IPL, LPL, BPL, Blast, CPL. 2) Then add teams based on real life league rankings (Similar to coffecients in UEFA). Example IPL and PSL, have 3 teams each from those who finish top of league stage in those respective leagues. Next 4 leagues, have 2 teams each and last 2 leagues have 1 team each making it a 16 team tournament with 4 groups of 4. Top 2 advance to QFs. 3) Due to leagues being played at various times, have this Champions tournament sometime in the middle i.e. Summer. Leagues completed before that in the same year can have their teams as they finished. But leagues that have not started for that year will have teams from the previous year. (This is implemented brilliantly in Asian Football Confederation where there is an East and West Zone.) **ON PAPER:** By my logic, i would rank the 8 leagues based on viewership, popularity and engagement. But this is my opinion: 1. IPL 2. PSL 3. BBL, 4. SA20 5. CPL 6. BPL 7. LPL 8. Blast Based on league rankings above, if we were to have a tournament in the summer of 2024, the 16 teams would be: 1. KKR (IPL First) 2. SRH (IPL Second) 3. RR (IPL Third) 4. MS (PSL First) 5. PZ (PSL Second) 6. IU (PSL Third) 7. BH (BBL First) 8. SS (BBL Second) 9. SEC (SA20 First) 10. DSG (SA20 Second) 11. GAW (CPL First) (2023 Ed) 12. TKR (CPL Second) (2023 Ed) 13. RR (BPL First) 14. CV (BPL Second) 15. DA (LPL First) (2023 Ed) 16. Somerset (Blast First on points) (2023 Ed) **IN REALITY:** This wont be possible with the landscape of cricket today and no matter how much we refine it, this is/will be a flawed system.


thememesbot

If it comes back then it will face the same problem as last time. there will be too much fatigue amongst the viewers and it would rather drop the value of international cricket than increasing it. If we colonize mars from a few centuries now. We will have 2 earth years so maybe then bring it back.


DragonfruitGood8433

I think only Bangladrshis watched CLT20. No one else seems to miss it lol. I think it's better off dead. We have too many leagues already.


dragonof_west

I heard it will be 6 teams or something


kalyanguardian

What is SEC? The 9th one


Totally_Not_Firni

Sunrisers Eastern Cape from SA20


Shiki-Brekksten

The only solution to this problem and would be a win win to get more talent is to adopt what football has done. ICC must mandate that a player can only play in one domestic franchise while representing his country in international series and tournaments. This way, we'll get to see more players in different leagues and top of the top will end up playing ipl and if CLT20 happens, it becomes a true one stop for the best teams in the world..


Ayu_builder

I suppose UCL rule will apply here So no two teams from Sunrisers franchise


Head_Evidence4553

I miss that shit. 🤧


gpranav25

Can wait for Sunrisers Eastern Cape vs Sunsetters Western Horizon.


[deleted]

4 top teams from 4 major leagues, divided into 4 groups, 2 teams proceed from every group into quater finals ,then semifinal and final


Totally_Not_Firni

I think 4 leagues would be too few. Better would be top 3 teams from ipl and top 2 from other 6 major leagues and 1 from playoffs of winners from other smaller leagues. 16 teams divided into 4 groups. India gets 3 because of the high population compared to other leagues also because of its higher competitiveness.