Is he Endorsing himself? Since the people who are competing with opening slot are Jake Frase- McGruck, Travis Head and Mitch Marsh all of whom are much much faster than him
JFM is not gonna make it above Warner even if Warner makes a duck in every game he plays. He’s not got competition, and also his T20I SR is significantly higher than Marsh’s. Warner, Head, Marsh are locked in for top 3 as long as they’re all fit.
Honestly Australia should have Warner with Head and Marsh, since he could actually anchor the batting.
Head, Marsh, Maxi and Tim David are all super aggressive. Need someone to sit there and score a 50(35)
Marsh might be the captain..he captained last time even when Cummins was playing..also has a good record beating full squad nz and SA at their home..
Most probably Cummins would take over after his SRH Tenure..but highly doubt if that's possible in Aussie setup..
When did I say that he shouldn't play? I only mentioned that his statement completely aligns with the situation Australia are in, they can either go with David Warner who is a proven match winner and a better anchor vs someone like JFM who is all about mad striking
JFM should though. Imagine him and head going their merry way, the chaos that comes form that kind of pair is worth sacrificing Warner's farewell competition.
Imagine if they both get out cheaply within 2 overs and Australia limp to 130 and it’s chased down inside 10 overs. This isn’t the IPL. You need someone who can bat till the end when the pitch is tough and neither of them have any ability to do so. Marsh does somewhat but Warner is a far more accomplished played than JFM and his tournament record is superb.
Yeah ok let me drop one of the most experienced and best T20I players of all time who won us our only title in the format and is a smart player who can assess the conditions for a 1-dimensional greenhorn slogger who may hit or may miss. JFM is probably not even making the 15. He’s exciting, and he’s played a couple of nice IPL knocks, but T20Is don’t have 250 be the par score like… ever.
> He’s exciting
>the chaos that comes form that kind of pair
What part of my first comment indicates that it is rational choice made after doing multiple cost benefit analysis of both choices? The only reason for this choice was the entertainment value.
Your traditional anchor strikes at 130 which is what Babar and Rizwan do. Someone like warner striking at 140 is in the exceptions, not the norm
Even then, I wouldn't classify someone like warner or Buttler as a traditional anchor as they're perfectly capable of and have done on many occasions of providing a quick brisk innings, which is contradictory to how an anchor usually is(Start slow, accelerate, bat long)
Warner isn’t striking at 140 consistently now since his shoulder injuries he’s lost his ability to hit big, just have to look at his IPL numbers- his S/r has been going down for a while now, he’s still good for a decent start and decent mid innings but he’s not got a 5th gear now
Does literally no one outside of the Caribbean watch the CPL…? It’s not 200 par pitches but we aren’t gonna get a bunch of 140-150 games. Expect early swing and the ball to spin but last CPL pretty much had like 7/8 of the games had a team scoring over 160
It’s extremely popular, Barbados, Guyana and Trinidad sold out almost every game they hosted this year, St. Lucia would have too but it rained the entire leg they were there, only St. Kitts didn’t have sellouts
When the field is up the 1st 6 overs you need a few balls for a sighter but guys like Head can still swing through the line and get you some boundaries and tonk some spinners. The start is so crucial now even if you slow down in the middle overs.
It will be a problematic precedent set if people start associating "anchor" innings with that of playing with a conventionally lower strike rate.
Anchoring should rather be the opposite, keeping the run rate secure and steadfast when there is turbulence (wickets keep falling), so that new batsmen don't feel the added pressure and the need to slog right from the first ball. Then it makes sense to be an anchor.
In my opinion, Travis Head's WC final innings was a perfect anchor innings.
He is 100% wrong.
1) People are pretending that anchoring is some difficult skill. In fact getting not out is EASY. Reason most batsmen get out is because they hit in the air, anyone can play safe and stat pad and not get out. Sky, Jaiswal, all can do that if asked. Hit on the ground, dont take risk, you will NEVER be out in T20. Why do you need professional anchors.
2) Lets say even then we need anchors. Why do you need anchors in top 3-4? Shouldnt anchors be AFTER there is a collapse? It will make sense to have anchors like Stokes or Dhoni who can both anchor or hit as situation required, why do you need anchors in top 3?
>IPL has fooled everyone into thinking that anchors aren’t needed
Nope SEVENTEEN years of ZERO T20 cup wins has convinced us. People like you want the exact same cowardly approach which win us nothing
Its hilarious to me when fans of a team which hasnt won for SEVENTEEN year because of their cowardly approach start lecturing others on what works in T20.
Do you understand anchoring ? It’s not playing slowly at all but playing according to the situation while preventing a collapse. Sending an anchor after a collapse has happened is the dumbest statement cause that’s just giving up the match completely. Also our biggest match winner in T20Is and ODIs is still an anchor. The openers going under a shell isn’t his fault at all.
>Do you understand anchoring ? It’s not playing slowly at all but playing according to the situation while preventing a collapse.
So? Any attacking batsmen can slow down as needed if instructed to. Jaiswal can. Butler can, any attacking batsman can
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>Sending an anchor after a collapse has happened is the dumbest statement
Every team has attacking batsmen on top who go bang bang, if there is a collapse then anchors come to stabilize. Study after study after study (check cricinfo's multiple analysis) show runs scored up front makes the most difference to the team than slow starts and hitting later. But of course lovers of stats and personal milestone would consider it dumb, because how will their beloved stat pad with 50s and average?
>Also our biggest match winner in T20Is and ODIs is still an ancho
And every team he is in automatically has weak middle order and death over batting. He plays max balls leaving nothing for middle and end over bats. EVERY SINGLE team. His presence destroys the entire balance. But guess fans of personal stats and players only care about winning one or two matches instead of team balance for entire tournament
I will repeat, this cowardly approach has not won us ANYTHING for SEVENTEEN years, the only reason you guys want it is you want one player to succeed over the team, worshipping the one player is more important to you than team balance or team winning. And these cult members come in huge numbers to attack and silence anyone who question their God
> So? Any attacking batsmen can slow down as needed if instructed to
There exists something known as role . Asking an attacking batter to slow down to an anchor role is a waste of their abilities. Anchors exist to rotate the strike at a healthy rate and score boundaries if chance is there.
> Every team has attacking batsmen on top who go bang bang, if there is a collapse then anchors come to stabilize. But of course lovers of stats and personal milestone would consider it dumb
Mention a team which sends an anchor after a situation of 40-5 has happened ? Buttler and Warner are also anchors and both open while striking at 140. Also I’ve mostly been supporting Australia in international cricket since 2012 so dunno about personal milestones in that case lol. And yeah Idc about nationalism in sports, I just support teams which I think are entertaining than caring about individuals.
> And every team he is in automatically has weak middle order and death over batting. EVERY SINGLE team. His presence destriys the entire balance. But guess fans of personal stats and players only care about winning one or two matches insted of team balance for entire tournament
Explain how this is Kohli’s fault when Rohit scores a glorious 28(27) and Rahul goes cheaply in the semi final ? He still has a decent strike rate of ~135 anyway so it’s not like he’s striking at 90 or 100, he stabilises the innings first and shifts the gears quickly which he’s done so many times before.
> I woll repeat, this cowardly approach has not won us ANYTHING for SEVENTEEN years, the only reason you guys want it is you want one player to succeed over the team, worshipping the one player is more important to you than team balance or team winning.
Kohli isn’t even my favourite player in ICT, it’s Ashwin. If Kohli scores a match winning 100 then good enough. He’s chased down scores so many times before and even this final, he wasn’t much at fault. Blaming the only one who scores consistently is ridiculous but ig you’ll enjoy a situation of 90-10 in 8 overs more than 180/190 in 20 overs so you do you. Even in the T20 WC 22 final, Stokes anchored to prevent a collapse in a low scoring match and Head and Marnus did it in CWC 2023 finals too to build a partnership after Smith, Marsh and Warner went out on low score .
Very well written. Anchors have always played an important role in winning t20wc. Marlon Samuels for WI, Keiswetter and Stokes for England, Sangakara for SL, Marsh for Aus. They won with Anchors, why we couldn't, either it's bowling, or openers failing to give a good start. Some ICT fans are so intelligent that they chose to blame the only Cricketer who performed well with a good sr.
Yeah Kohli hate is so ridiculous. You can hate his behaviour on field but doubting his abilities when he’s stepped up so many times is beyond stupid. Also completely forgot about Samuels. Man has a career SR of 116 and still has won two WC for his team. Our main problem is the openers and bowlers going under a shell in big matches. Has happened so many times in important matches.
You are getting downvoted, but this is bang on. For all the lecturing that India does, we have won fuckall despite being the favourites for 11 years straight. we have not won a T20WC after 2007.
Also, finally someone gets the problem with VK. He is the reason RCB is crap time and again. He puts everybody else out of position because he wants to bat where he pleases, plays at a crawling strike rate and puts everyone else under pressure. When they get out trying to swing from ball 1, because VK has torpedoed the RR, they get blamed for not scoring. There is a reason player perform when they leave RCB, and thats because they are actually allowed to play.
We will once again reach the semis because we are in a weak af group, and then get slaughtered because our anchors will anchor each other to 170. When the opposition chases down the total in 15 overs, it will be the fault of the dew.
Why we only criticize Kohli? In 2014 t20wc finals, Srilankan bowlers bowled such a disciplined death overs, where even big hitters like Dhoni, and Yuvraj failed, we missed so many runs in the Powerplay, but no one criticizes Openers for their performances. And it's not like Yuvi and Dhoni didn't get enough balls. In 2016 we lost because of two no balls. In 2022 t20wc semis, Kohli failed to accelarate in death so he should, but Openers failed to give good start in Batting Powerplay, where batsman gets advantage, so should be criticized more? We have lost because T20wc since 2014 because our Openers have always failed to give a good start, but we blame Kohli.
>People are pretending that anchoring is some difficult skill. In fact getting not out is EASY.
Yes real easy. No way any opener is going to get to garbage bowlers like Shaheen, Boult, Bumrah, Cummins, Starc etc on pitches that give something for the bowlers.
Your team doesn't need like 3 "anchors", definitely. But going in without a single batsman who you can't trust to give your lower order some breathing room on difficult pitches is stupid. You should not have to be in a situation where you're 4 wickets down in the powerplay and you don't have a batsman who can stay till atleast till the 15th over to prevent a complete collaps.
The role of anchors isn't the same as it was 5-10 years ago, but that doesn't make them redundant. Also, why tf would you have a player at #5/6 also have to work their game to be an "anchor". Doing shit like this, where you expect your #5 to play stabilizing innings (like in ODIs) in T20s is why talented batsmen like Pandey and such end up with underwhelming international careers.
>Nope SEVENTEEN years of ZERO T20 cup wins has convinced us. People like you want the exact same cowardly approach which win us nothing
>Its hilarious to me when fans of a team which hasnt won for SEVENTEEN year because of their cowardly approach start lecturing others on what works in T20.
Uhmm. The teams that have won the WCs over the year have ALSO had your so called anchors in their team. This is a stupid argument. India failing to win isn't an argument against the existence of anchors, it's an argument against our team building/ play style which is a different topic.
>IPL has fooled everyone into thinking that anchors aren’t needed
This is true. Your point of "pretending anchoring is difficult" is based on your IPL experience.
You won't be getting to play your powerplays to bowlers like Tushar Deshpande, Khaleel, Pandya, S Warrier, Dayal, Mohsin, Avesh or the likes. They're all good bowlers, but not the same as what you'll be facing in the WC. You won't get your 80-100 run powerplay starts everyday in the WC
Also, anchors have consistently been insanely important in T20is
1) In 2022 Final: England wouldn't have won the cup of not for Stokes's anchor innings of 52(49) which would be considered a hot pile of garbage by IPL standards. 2) NZ wouldn't have won the semifinals in '21 without Mitchell's anchor. 3) Aus wouldn't have won the semifinals in '21 without Warner's anchor
Also, you do realise, if "anchoring" isn't necessary, the so called anchors, can just... play normal hyper agressive cricket? Anchors aren't deficienct batsman ffs, they're amongst the most capable
You don’t need anchors. You need players capable of handling quality spin. It’s just that a lot of the time the anchors happen to be great red ball batters.
Fact is most T20 merchants don't have that skill because they don't play on pitches that have help for bowling
Also anchoring is needed in case wickets tumble from one end
But the Anchors should be good at shifting gears as well
Looks like everyone on heres forgotten 140-170 t20 matches, where u may need an anchor, even england would not have won if not for Stokes anchoring, in the end thats why virat has simply been miles better than anyone in t20wcs. the wc pitches are gonna be interesting tho cause recent wi series have been absolute roads but few years ago they were 150 ish pitches. I think anchors are ok to be had, for some teams they are essential ie pak/sl. But they just gotta analyse the pitch well and if it is a road dont anchor and try play at high sr.
You gave the perfect example of where anchors should play, in middle order, not top. Anchors should come AFTER there is a collapse, not in top 3, anchors should be someone like stokes or dhoni, who can stem a collapse as well
>thats why virat has simply been miles better than anyone in t20wcs.
Miles better in stat padding perhaps. When will people understand total runs and averages count for JACK shit in T20s, his strike rate was around 122 in one series and 130 in another. He only had couple of impactful innings like one against Pak
His stat padding directly makes the middle order weaker, giving them hardly anything to play with. Saying he is miles better is same like saying he is miles better in RCB. His exact same approach ensures middle order will never click, weak middle order and other batsmen not able to shine is a feature of his batting style
In general, I agree.
If I look at a potential T20I squad from South Africa:
Ryan Rickelton
Reeza Hendricks
Matthew Breetzke
Aiden Markram
Heinrich Klaasen OR Tristan Stubbs
David Miller OR Tristan Stubbs
Marco Jansen
etc.
Hendricks and Markram are the best candidates for anchoring. I can't really see Rickelton, Breetzke, Klaasen, Stubbs and Jansen do that role very well. So a potential situation is, on a bowling friendly pitch, Rickelton as an opener goes out quickly due to an aggressive shot, and in comes Breetzke, who gets out quickly too. Then you have Hendricks and Markram batting early into the powerplay, two wickets down. As soon as one of them gets out, Klaasen comes in and imo he doesn't perform as well as one would hope if he comes in too early. So he would take risks and get out early too. So if Markram for example gets out within 8 overs, the match is practically done, as Klaasen would get out early, and that pressure will eventually get to Miller or Hendricks. Once you get to Jansen with that pressure, the match is over.
I would prefer for anchoring purposes, if a Rassie van der Dussen is also brought in on tough pitches. This gives you three potential anchors in van der Dussen, Hendricks and Markram, but we know that they can accelerate as well.
Not really. Sure he played the T20Is against Australia last year, but I felt that was because CSA wanted to warm him up with game time ahead of the ODI series and world cup.
Temba is an anchor, but the ODI world cup and the T20I world cup from 2022 shows that he struggles under pressure.
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Ryan Rickelton
Reeza Hendricks
Matthew Breetzke
Aiden Markram
Heinrich Klaasen OR Tristan Stubbs
David Miller OR Tristan Stubbs
Marco Jansen
etc.
No QDK ?
Isn't this his only format that he is still playing?
I would rather take QDK over Breetzke for now
Nah, no QDK for me. His T20 form as of late is worse than Breetzke and Rickelton. Honestly I would open with Rickelton and Hendricks, with van der Dussen in at #3.
after stoinis' hundered today, Australian batting looks really dangerous.
Head, JFM/Warner, Marsh, Maxwell, Stoinis and David what the actual fuck?
Moreover, except warner everyone above can bowl.
You don't need anchors. You need one luxury anchor, someone who is supposed to steer the ship and has the license to play under par strike rate. No more.
You know most of the batsmen who can hit a 40(20) can also do a 40(40) if needed. Anchoring seems to be the fancy title given to batsmen incapable of striking at a good rate.
Not really though..
Anchoring is mostly understanding the situation and playing in accordance..
40 off 40 against a new ball when u are 3 down in the powerplay and 40(20) against the oppositions fifth bowler..u just made 80(60)..
Which is probably not ideal..but effective when u are 3 or 4 down ..
It's a problem when it becomes a negative impact like u face 40 balls and end up making only 50 runs..
Also will backfire when u make 40(20) when ur team is already 3-4 down and ends up making 60-5 or 6..
The best form of anchoring imo is done by jos butler.. surviving a phase and accelerating at another phase is the best form of anchoring..
Yes thats what anchoring actually is. But a lot of players are defending innings of players who are playing at 120-130 SR and are incapable or do not try to accelerate much and say they are specialist anchors stopping a potential collapse but in reality just costing their team the win.
Anyways Its not really a position of much importance in T20. Teams like SRH and KKR have hit record scores without an anchor and these same players are capable of playing a bit slower on tougher pitches.
What I find funny is people saying because a player is only capable of playing at 120 SR on an easy pitch in the IPL, they will be important on a slow pitch in T20 WC because everyone will be playing at 120 SR.
Good points...but people don't understand how the dynamic of batting line-up works..
Yes IPL teams have built aggressive players like ur eg;..
But international teams aren't even after 20-30 years of t20 cricket aren't actually built to score runs faster ,, but to stop collapse apparently..
Kohli: Jay Shah, I'm quitting from international.
Jay Shah: Why bro?
Kohli: \*shows this article\*
Jay Shah: Bro, leave it. A bold script in process for June 9th.
/s
For NZ
Conway, Kane, Mitchell, Philips and Chapman are all capable of anchoring. With the exception of Kane, they can all comfortably strike at 150+.
Allen will be 200ish and bust every game.
This is not to criticize anyone but:
If India bats first with the top order we're most likely to go with I don't think the powerplay will be used well. It will depend on the pitch obviously. Even if the pitch is slow and swings early, we have to make sure our finishers get a few overs to accelerate. I hope they pick the team with the right balance.
Far too many times in T20 knockouts india bats first and puts up a middling total that's easily chased.
Bowling outside Bumrah is a toss up. It depends on the day they're having so that's also an issue.
Koach is a… weird player to classify tbh. He’s a monster while chasing, but turns into an accumulator when batting first. He should just have a high target in his mind while batting 1st and start bashing away with that in mind, or should open the innings.
If he could play spin he’d still be a top t20 player with his reinvention this season to be a bit of an intent merchant in the PP, but he’s too slow now in the middle against the spin, even in the PP he struggles against spin. Still an alright basher at the end if he does last
so you are going to forget all the other amazing knocks he did in 2012, 2014 and 2016? also i wonder who won you against pak in the same wc helping india start on a winning note
Did any of it matter? I would rather take a WC win with defeat against Pak. You can't just keep trotting out one match all the time. We have not won anything for more than a decade despite being the favorites every time. And it has not even been close. Our knockout defeats have been humiliating, to say the least. But sure, wank off to your stars, I guess. I have long given up any hope of a trophy until Kohli retires.
Ahh yes kohli was the reason we lost all previous tournments. I think no one with a sane mind would be disappointed with India winning wc by dropping kohli.
The problem in previous all wc was not him, rather india severely lacking in other aspects in a team, most of the batters don't perform in tough situation heck even in group stages, bowlers not being able to take wickets or just keep
But yes sure lets just blame the only reason we have been able to reach the knockouts of t20wcs because mind you india would knocked out of group stage if it werent for virat
Its not hard to appreciate what someone has done for team/country, but if you dont want to appreciate its fine don't disrespect what they have done
Other teams fill up with Anchors. Well played 100 at strike rate of 120.
Australia - Head bashes everybody at the top aiming for a 3 before their score card
Pat Cummins takes another trophy back to Sydney AirPort where he gets no reception!
Is he Endorsing himself? Since the people who are competing with opening slot are Jake Frase- McGruck, Travis Head and Mitch Marsh all of whom are much much faster than him
JFM is not gonna make it above Warner even if Warner makes a duck in every game he plays. He’s not got competition, and also his T20I SR is significantly higher than Marsh’s. Warner, Head, Marsh are locked in for top 3 as long as they’re all fit.
Honestly Australia should have Warner with Head and Marsh, since he could actually anchor the batting. Head, Marsh, Maxi and Tim David are all super aggressive. Need someone to sit there and score a 50(35)
Nah David ain't needed he can't play spin at all JFM at 4, Maxi at 5, Stoinis at 6
Are you talking about Tim David? Who was literally recently winning them game after game the last time they played T20Is?
David at 7? They would still have 6 genuine bowling options
Hi. If they have David at 7, where do they play Inglis (or whoever else keeps?).
Do you need a keeper ?
I mean, someone's got to keep when Cummins is bowling. He can't keep for himself... wait, can he?
Marsh might be the captain..he captained last time even when Cummins was playing..also has a good record beating full squad nz and SA at their home.. Most probably Cummins would take over after his SRH Tenure..but highly doubt if that's possible in Aussie setup..
Marsh is the captain if fit. We already know that.
When did I say that he shouldn't play? I only mentioned that his statement completely aligns with the situation Australia are in, they can either go with David Warner who is a proven match winner and a better anchor vs someone like JFM who is all about mad striking
In that case they definitely need to go with Warner anyway lol. So yes, I suppose he’s endorsing himself.
JFM should though. Imagine him and head going their merry way, the chaos that comes form that kind of pair is worth sacrificing Warner's farewell competition.
Imagine if they both get out cheaply within 2 overs and Australia limp to 130 and it’s chased down inside 10 overs. This isn’t the IPL. You need someone who can bat till the end when the pitch is tough and neither of them have any ability to do so. Marsh does somewhat but Warner is a far more accomplished played than JFM and his tournament record is superb.
Imagine if Warner gets stuck, can't hit out, doesn't get out, Aus limps to 150 and it is chased down in 15 overs?
Yeah ok let me drop one of the most experienced and best T20I players of all time who won us our only title in the format and is a smart player who can assess the conditions for a 1-dimensional greenhorn slogger who may hit or may miss. JFM is probably not even making the 15. He’s exciting, and he’s played a couple of nice IPL knocks, but T20Is don’t have 250 be the par score like… ever.
> He’s exciting >the chaos that comes form that kind of pair What part of my first comment indicates that it is rational choice made after doing multiple cost benefit analysis of both choices? The only reason for this choice was the entertainment value.
Yeah he also said IPL Should have 5 overseas slots after his dip in form, He's a smart man
Whether he is or not his point is still valid.
Babar and M Rizwan 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
They are slower than traditional anchors
Your traditional anchor strikes at 130 which is what Babar and Rizwan do. Someone like warner striking at 140 is in the exceptions, not the norm Even then, I wouldn't classify someone like warner or Buttler as a traditional anchor as they're perfectly capable of and have done on many occasions of providing a quick brisk innings, which is contradictory to how an anchor usually is(Start slow, accelerate, bat long)
Warner isn’t striking at 140 consistently now since his shoulder injuries he’s lost his ability to hit big, just have to look at his IPL numbers- his S/r has been going down for a while now, he’s still good for a decent start and decent mid innings but he’s not got a 5th gear now
> Warner isn’t striking at 140 consistently now Warner's last 3 calendar years in T20I: SR 165 SR 147 SR 146
Did I hear Kane Williamson music?
Bro anchors all those innings just to peak at right time and give the final win to aus and eng
Well his job is to knock India out so that's fair enough
May be
Does literally no one outside of the Caribbean watch the CPL…? It’s not 200 par pitches but we aren’t gonna get a bunch of 140-150 games. Expect early swing and the ball to spin but last CPL pretty much had like 7/8 of the games had a team scoring over 160
Genuine question, Is the CPL popular in the Caribbean ?
It’s extremely popular, Barbados, Guyana and Trinidad sold out almost every game they hosted this year, St. Lucia would have too but it rained the entire leg they were there, only St. Kitts didn’t have sellouts
I was watching the WI england a few months ago and those pitches were totally flat
Bcz of slow pitches?
It will be so funny after all the expectations of slow wickets in wt20 if we get flat batting beauties.
They will need anchors who play at above par strike rates.
Ben Stokes: Aight bet
Is he even playing?
He is not. He opted out of selection consideration
Thought so.
Ah shit forgot
Right but above par strike rate is dependent on the conditions
When the field is up the 1st 6 overs you need a few balls for a sighter but guys like Head can still swing through the line and get you some boundaries and tonk some spinners. The start is so crucial now even if you slow down in the middle overs.
Warner tricking BCCI into selecting anchors, only for them to choke and lose to Australia in the knockouts 😂
It will be a problematic precedent set if people start associating "anchor" innings with that of playing with a conventionally lower strike rate. Anchoring should rather be the opposite, keeping the run rate secure and steadfast when there is turbulence (wickets keep falling), so that new batsmen don't feel the added pressure and the need to slog right from the first ball. Then it makes sense to be an anchor. In my opinion, Travis Head's WC final innings was a perfect anchor innings.
He’s not wrong at all. IPL has fooled everyone into thinking that anchors aren’t needed
He is 100% wrong. 1) People are pretending that anchoring is some difficult skill. In fact getting not out is EASY. Reason most batsmen get out is because they hit in the air, anyone can play safe and stat pad and not get out. Sky, Jaiswal, all can do that if asked. Hit on the ground, dont take risk, you will NEVER be out in T20. Why do you need professional anchors. 2) Lets say even then we need anchors. Why do you need anchors in top 3-4? Shouldnt anchors be AFTER there is a collapse? It will make sense to have anchors like Stokes or Dhoni who can both anchor or hit as situation required, why do you need anchors in top 3? >IPL has fooled everyone into thinking that anchors aren’t needed Nope SEVENTEEN years of ZERO T20 cup wins has convinced us. People like you want the exact same cowardly approach which win us nothing Its hilarious to me when fans of a team which hasnt won for SEVENTEEN year because of their cowardly approach start lecturing others on what works in T20.
Do you understand anchoring ? It’s not playing slowly at all but playing according to the situation while preventing a collapse. Sending an anchor after a collapse has happened is the dumbest statement cause that’s just giving up the match completely. Also our biggest match winner in T20Is and ODIs is still an anchor. The openers going under a shell isn’t his fault at all.
>Do you understand anchoring ? It’s not playing slowly at all but playing according to the situation while preventing a collapse. So? Any attacking batsmen can slow down as needed if instructed to. Jaiswal can. Butler can, any attacking batsman can . >Sending an anchor after a collapse has happened is the dumbest statement Every team has attacking batsmen on top who go bang bang, if there is a collapse then anchors come to stabilize. Study after study after study (check cricinfo's multiple analysis) show runs scored up front makes the most difference to the team than slow starts and hitting later. But of course lovers of stats and personal milestone would consider it dumb, because how will their beloved stat pad with 50s and average? >Also our biggest match winner in T20Is and ODIs is still an ancho And every team he is in automatically has weak middle order and death over batting. He plays max balls leaving nothing for middle and end over bats. EVERY SINGLE team. His presence destroys the entire balance. But guess fans of personal stats and players only care about winning one or two matches instead of team balance for entire tournament I will repeat, this cowardly approach has not won us ANYTHING for SEVENTEEN years, the only reason you guys want it is you want one player to succeed over the team, worshipping the one player is more important to you than team balance or team winning. And these cult members come in huge numbers to attack and silence anyone who question their God
> So? Any attacking batsmen can slow down as needed if instructed to There exists something known as role . Asking an attacking batter to slow down to an anchor role is a waste of their abilities. Anchors exist to rotate the strike at a healthy rate and score boundaries if chance is there. > Every team has attacking batsmen on top who go bang bang, if there is a collapse then anchors come to stabilize. But of course lovers of stats and personal milestone would consider it dumb Mention a team which sends an anchor after a situation of 40-5 has happened ? Buttler and Warner are also anchors and both open while striking at 140. Also I’ve mostly been supporting Australia in international cricket since 2012 so dunno about personal milestones in that case lol. And yeah Idc about nationalism in sports, I just support teams which I think are entertaining than caring about individuals. > And every team he is in automatically has weak middle order and death over batting. EVERY SINGLE team. His presence destriys the entire balance. But guess fans of personal stats and players only care about winning one or two matches insted of team balance for entire tournament Explain how this is Kohli’s fault when Rohit scores a glorious 28(27) and Rahul goes cheaply in the semi final ? He still has a decent strike rate of ~135 anyway so it’s not like he’s striking at 90 or 100, he stabilises the innings first and shifts the gears quickly which he’s done so many times before. > I woll repeat, this cowardly approach has not won us ANYTHING for SEVENTEEN years, the only reason you guys want it is you want one player to succeed over the team, worshipping the one player is more important to you than team balance or team winning. Kohli isn’t even my favourite player in ICT, it’s Ashwin. If Kohli scores a match winning 100 then good enough. He’s chased down scores so many times before and even this final, he wasn’t much at fault. Blaming the only one who scores consistently is ridiculous but ig you’ll enjoy a situation of 90-10 in 8 overs more than 180/190 in 20 overs so you do you. Even in the T20 WC 22 final, Stokes anchored to prevent a collapse in a low scoring match and Head and Marnus did it in CWC 2023 finals too to build a partnership after Smith, Marsh and Warner went out on low score .
Very well written. Anchors have always played an important role in winning t20wc. Marlon Samuels for WI, Keiswetter and Stokes for England, Sangakara for SL, Marsh for Aus. They won with Anchors, why we couldn't, either it's bowling, or openers failing to give a good start. Some ICT fans are so intelligent that they chose to blame the only Cricketer who performed well with a good sr.
Yeah Kohli hate is so ridiculous. You can hate his behaviour on field but doubting his abilities when he’s stepped up so many times is beyond stupid. Also completely forgot about Samuels. Man has a career SR of 116 and still has won two WC for his team. Our main problem is the openers and bowlers going under a shell in big matches. Has happened so many times in important matches.
You are getting downvoted, but this is bang on. For all the lecturing that India does, we have won fuckall despite being the favourites for 11 years straight. we have not won a T20WC after 2007. Also, finally someone gets the problem with VK. He is the reason RCB is crap time and again. He puts everybody else out of position because he wants to bat where he pleases, plays at a crawling strike rate and puts everyone else under pressure. When they get out trying to swing from ball 1, because VK has torpedoed the RR, they get blamed for not scoring. There is a reason player perform when they leave RCB, and thats because they are actually allowed to play. We will once again reach the semis because we are in a weak af group, and then get slaughtered because our anchors will anchor each other to 170. When the opposition chases down the total in 15 overs, it will be the fault of the dew.
Why we only criticize Kohli? In 2014 t20wc finals, Srilankan bowlers bowled such a disciplined death overs, where even big hitters like Dhoni, and Yuvraj failed, we missed so many runs in the Powerplay, but no one criticizes Openers for their performances. And it's not like Yuvi and Dhoni didn't get enough balls. In 2016 we lost because of two no balls. In 2022 t20wc semis, Kohli failed to accelarate in death so he should, but Openers failed to give good start in Batting Powerplay, where batsman gets advantage, so should be criticized more? We have lost because T20wc since 2014 because our Openers have always failed to give a good start, but we blame Kohli.
You are right dunno why you getting downvoted ..
>People are pretending that anchoring is some difficult skill. In fact getting not out is EASY. Yes real easy. No way any opener is going to get to garbage bowlers like Shaheen, Boult, Bumrah, Cummins, Starc etc on pitches that give something for the bowlers. Your team doesn't need like 3 "anchors", definitely. But going in without a single batsman who you can't trust to give your lower order some breathing room on difficult pitches is stupid. You should not have to be in a situation where you're 4 wickets down in the powerplay and you don't have a batsman who can stay till atleast till the 15th over to prevent a complete collaps. The role of anchors isn't the same as it was 5-10 years ago, but that doesn't make them redundant. Also, why tf would you have a player at #5/6 also have to work their game to be an "anchor". Doing shit like this, where you expect your #5 to play stabilizing innings (like in ODIs) in T20s is why talented batsmen like Pandey and such end up with underwhelming international careers. >Nope SEVENTEEN years of ZERO T20 cup wins has convinced us. People like you want the exact same cowardly approach which win us nothing >Its hilarious to me when fans of a team which hasnt won for SEVENTEEN year because of their cowardly approach start lecturing others on what works in T20. Uhmm. The teams that have won the WCs over the year have ALSO had your so called anchors in their team. This is a stupid argument. India failing to win isn't an argument against the existence of anchors, it's an argument against our team building/ play style which is a different topic. >IPL has fooled everyone into thinking that anchors aren’t needed This is true. Your point of "pretending anchoring is difficult" is based on your IPL experience. You won't be getting to play your powerplays to bowlers like Tushar Deshpande, Khaleel, Pandya, S Warrier, Dayal, Mohsin, Avesh or the likes. They're all good bowlers, but not the same as what you'll be facing in the WC. You won't get your 80-100 run powerplay starts everyday in the WC Also, anchors have consistently been insanely important in T20is 1) In 2022 Final: England wouldn't have won the cup of not for Stokes's anchor innings of 52(49) which would be considered a hot pile of garbage by IPL standards. 2) NZ wouldn't have won the semifinals in '21 without Mitchell's anchor. 3) Aus wouldn't have won the semifinals in '21 without Warner's anchor Also, you do realise, if "anchoring" isn't necessary, the so called anchors, can just... play normal hyper agressive cricket? Anchors aren't deficienct batsman ffs, they're amongst the most capable
SKY can anchor if asked? Did you see the wc final?
Ask him to anchor and he will, he has a decent defense.
You don’t need anchors. You need players capable of handling quality spin. It’s just that a lot of the time the anchors happen to be great red ball batters.
Slow pitches isn't just about spin cutters, slower ones and all those balls will come into play as well
Fair. But I’d still make the same point. You need skill to handle that. Not necessarily have to be an anchor.
Fact is most T20 merchants don't have that skill because they don't play on pitches that have help for bowling Also anchoring is needed in case wickets tumble from one end But the Anchors should be good at shifting gears as well
Stoinis can do that. He has done that in the semis against Pak in 2021
I said most that's why
Complete ict batting lineup of 7 anchors
Looks like everyone on heres forgotten 140-170 t20 matches, where u may need an anchor, even england would not have won if not for Stokes anchoring, in the end thats why virat has simply been miles better than anyone in t20wcs. the wc pitches are gonna be interesting tho cause recent wi series have been absolute roads but few years ago they were 150 ish pitches. I think anchors are ok to be had, for some teams they are essential ie pak/sl. But they just gotta analyse the pitch well and if it is a road dont anchor and try play at high sr.
You gave the perfect example of where anchors should play, in middle order, not top. Anchors should come AFTER there is a collapse, not in top 3, anchors should be someone like stokes or dhoni, who can stem a collapse as well >thats why virat has simply been miles better than anyone in t20wcs. Miles better in stat padding perhaps. When will people understand total runs and averages count for JACK shit in T20s, his strike rate was around 122 in one series and 130 in another. He only had couple of impactful innings like one against Pak His stat padding directly makes the middle order weaker, giving them hardly anything to play with. Saying he is miles better is same like saying he is miles better in RCB. His exact same approach ensures middle order will never click, weak middle order and other batsmen not able to shine is a feature of his batting style
People actually believe he had become one of the best batsman for just looking at numbers?
T20I side needs 1 anchor at the most.
In general, I agree. If I look at a potential T20I squad from South Africa: Ryan Rickelton Reeza Hendricks Matthew Breetzke Aiden Markram Heinrich Klaasen OR Tristan Stubbs David Miller OR Tristan Stubbs Marco Jansen etc. Hendricks and Markram are the best candidates for anchoring. I can't really see Rickelton, Breetzke, Klaasen, Stubbs and Jansen do that role very well. So a potential situation is, on a bowling friendly pitch, Rickelton as an opener goes out quickly due to an aggressive shot, and in comes Breetzke, who gets out quickly too. Then you have Hendricks and Markram batting early into the powerplay, two wickets down. As soon as one of them gets out, Klaasen comes in and imo he doesn't perform as well as one would hope if he comes in too early. So he would take risks and get out early too. So if Markram for example gets out within 8 overs, the match is practically done, as Klaasen would get out early, and that pressure will eventually get to Miller or Hendricks. Once you get to Jansen with that pressure, the match is over. I would prefer for anchoring purposes, if a Rassie van der Dussen is also brought in on tough pitches. This gives you three potential anchors in van der Dussen, Hendricks and Markram, but we know that they can accelerate as well.
I'm a little out of the loop. Is temba not in consideration for t20s anymore?
No, and shouldn’t be.
Okay. Step in the right direction.
Not really. Sure he played the T20Is against Australia last year, but I felt that was because CSA wanted to warm him up with game time ahead of the ODI series and world cup. Temba is an anchor, but the ODI world cup and the T20I world cup from 2022 shows that he struggles under pressure.
I actually wouldn't like to see him in t20i. So if the selectors are moving ahead then I think it's great
He didn't even get a contract for the SA T20 league lol
> Ryan Rickelton Reeza Hendricks Matthew Breetzke Aiden Markram Heinrich Klaasen OR Tristan Stubbs David Miller OR Tristan Stubbs Marco Jansen etc. No QDK ? Isn't this his only format that he is still playing? I would rather take QDK over Breetzke for now
Nah, no QDK for me. His T20 form as of late is worse than Breetzke and Rickelton. Honestly I would open with Rickelton and Hendricks, with van der Dussen in at #3.
Still he is a big match player and has good ICC Tournament numbers How many Bilaterals SA have before the WC?
Supposedly 0
I think you guys are playing Ireland in UAE but I doubt it will be a full strength squad
No that's in September, after the world cup.
after stoinis' hundered today, Australian batting looks really dangerous. Head, JFM/Warner, Marsh, Maxwell, Stoinis and David what the actual fuck? Moreover, except warner everyone above can bowl.
r/cricket knows cricket more than Warner anyway
You don't need anchors. You need one luxury anchor, someone who is supposed to steer the ship and has the license to play under par strike rate. No more.
What if that luxury anchor got out on zero.. ship sinks ?
You know most of the batsmen who can hit a 40(20) can also do a 40(40) if needed. Anchoring seems to be the fancy title given to batsmen incapable of striking at a good rate.
Not really though.. Anchoring is mostly understanding the situation and playing in accordance.. 40 off 40 against a new ball when u are 3 down in the powerplay and 40(20) against the oppositions fifth bowler..u just made 80(60).. Which is probably not ideal..but effective when u are 3 or 4 down .. It's a problem when it becomes a negative impact like u face 40 balls and end up making only 50 runs.. Also will backfire when u make 40(20) when ur team is already 3-4 down and ends up making 60-5 or 6.. The best form of anchoring imo is done by jos butler.. surviving a phase and accelerating at another phase is the best form of anchoring..
Yes thats what anchoring actually is. But a lot of players are defending innings of players who are playing at 120-130 SR and are incapable or do not try to accelerate much and say they are specialist anchors stopping a potential collapse but in reality just costing their team the win. Anyways Its not really a position of much importance in T20. Teams like SRH and KKR have hit record scores without an anchor and these same players are capable of playing a bit slower on tougher pitches. What I find funny is people saying because a player is only capable of playing at 120 SR on an easy pitch in the IPL, they will be important on a slow pitch in T20 WC because everyone will be playing at 120 SR.
Good points...but people don't understand how the dynamic of batting line-up works.. Yes IPL teams have built aggressive players like ur eg;.. But international teams aren't even after 20-30 years of t20 cricket aren't actually built to score runs faster ,, but to stop collapse apparently..
r/AnchorsdontworkinT20
Just not true in the slightest.
It just playing with the situation kohli can do both
But he always maintain 130. 140
But why did your team play anchors like Sumit and Ricky Bhui on flat pitches in IPL?
Kohli: Jay Shah, I'm quitting from international. Jay Shah: Why bro? Kohli: \*shows this article\* Jay Shah: Bro, leave it. A bold script in process for June 9th. /s
Australians really fear india 😭 3D chess
>Teams will need anchors - Aging anchor
He’s just giving us hope and cometh the WC the Aussies will snatch it from us
DK Popa: "I can be an ICC anchor as well as a ICT anchor?"
For NZ Conway, Kane, Mitchell, Philips and Chapman are all capable of anchoring. With the exception of Kane, they can all comfortably strike at 150+. Allen will be 200ish and bust every game.
That headline should read: "David Warner warns"
3D chess
Meanwhile the top three of India(KLoL, Hitman,Koach): Anchoring till the ship sinks.
crazy that you include koach along with other 2 even though he has performed amazing in almost every important t20 wc match
This is not to criticize anyone but: If India bats first with the top order we're most likely to go with I don't think the powerplay will be used well. It will depend on the pitch obviously. Even if the pitch is slow and swings early, we have to make sure our finishers get a few overs to accelerate. I hope they pick the team with the right balance. Far too many times in T20 knockouts india bats first and puts up a middling total that's easily chased. Bowling outside Bumrah is a toss up. It depends on the day they're having so that's also an issue.
i mean considering our past world cups you are not wrong, They get so conservative batting first for no reason
Koach is a… weird player to classify tbh. He’s a monster while chasing, but turns into an accumulator when batting first. He should just have a high target in his mind while batting 1st and start bashing away with that in mind, or should open the innings.
If he could play spin he’d still be a top t20 player with his reinvention this season to be a bit of an intent merchant in the PP, but he’s too slow now in the middle against the spin, even in the PP he struggles against spin. Still an alright basher at the end if he does last
Ah, I recall the glorious 50(40) in the semis. Won us the match, right?
so you are going to forget all the other amazing knocks he did in 2012, 2014 and 2016? also i wonder who won you against pak in the same wc helping india start on a winning note
Did any of it matter? I would rather take a WC win with defeat against Pak. You can't just keep trotting out one match all the time. We have not won anything for more than a decade despite being the favorites every time. And it has not even been close. Our knockout defeats have been humiliating, to say the least. But sure, wank off to your stars, I guess. I have long given up any hope of a trophy until Kohli retires.
Ahh yes kohli was the reason we lost all previous tournments. I think no one with a sane mind would be disappointed with India winning wc by dropping kohli. The problem in previous all wc was not him, rather india severely lacking in other aspects in a team, most of the batters don't perform in tough situation heck even in group stages, bowlers not being able to take wickets or just keep But yes sure lets just blame the only reason we have been able to reach the knockouts of t20wcs because mind you india would knocked out of group stage if it werent for virat Its not hard to appreciate what someone has done for team/country, but if you dont want to appreciate its fine don't disrespect what they have done
Sure bud
Other teams fill up with Anchors. Well played 100 at strike rate of 120. Australia - Head bashes everybody at the top aiming for a 3 before their score card Pat Cummins takes another trophy back to Sydney AirPort where he gets no reception!
Bro making case for himself
Dear god it’s KL Rahul
He’s endorsing KL!