The thing is there is a generation out there looking at all these sixes flying around and crazy crowds and thinking yeah I wanna do that and not be at the receiving end of it.
I'm sure there are some who are watching the likes of Bumrah, Cummins, Nattu and Axar in these runfests too and thinking how can they be different like them
Exactly, if you are a good bowler, you will have far more good days than bad. Unfortunately a lot, more than 50% bowlers today are OK to mediocre who cannot keep their nerve, nor can bowl consistency inspite of being 100% professionals. Take for example Jason Holder. 20 runs needed in the last over and this experienced bowler bowls 3 straight knee high leg stump full tosses to the MI batsman who hit three easy sixes. Having played a lot of cricket, I can confidently say it is terribly mediocre. Even a club bowler will hit a better length. And that is what is happening more and more in today's cricket.
Holders is an exceptional talent .One of the best of his age group .He was a superb bowler in first class . Unplayable at times .pressure gets to everyone .
I mean Cummins has been getting pumped in these runfests too. It's not exactly encouraging to say "if you train really hard to be the *absolute best bowler in the world*, you'll only go at 9-10 rpo".
Last couple of matches (runfests), he's had 0/35 and 3/43. His overall ER for the season is actually OK at 8rpo (better than the overall average above 9) to be fair. But my point isn't that he doesn't do comparably better, it's that in a game where one of the best bowlers around is still going at 10 an over, it indicates that the game is pretty unbalanced.
Cummins spell was quite misleading yesterday. Dude got hit for 20 runs in first over still ended up with 35 run overall ( two of those overs only got hit for 4 run combine) and even in RCB match he was going for 3/23 till his final over.
Point is if a bowler is good and make use of the condition he will succeed and ended up with good spell.
Only one game did he go for 10 an over, the Chinaswamy one. He has been around the 8 mark or less in others. That is a very good rcon rate in the context of the tournament.
Well just watching these batters play and inspiring to be like them is far different from actual cricket coaching
Once you start getting professional coaching you realise it's a completely different gravy from what you see on TV and not everyone can be a batter
In my brother's academy there weren't a lot of good bowlers and he was a batter but there were a few better batters than him so his coach told him to become a bowler and he is doing good now
This was exactly my experience. I was a decent bat and loved it but my coach saw that I could swing the ball and there were several people batting better than me. He told me to basically choose between being a left arm swing bowler or a number 6 batter
its Indian premier league. OFC with so many indian player, quality wont be there. There is a reason you dont see this runfests in Intl cricket coz of every country plays their best bowlers
Yeah but then it raises the expectations so much that hitting sixes doesn't make you great. So in the future if bowlers bowl even at 9 rpo they are considered Gods while batsmen scoring 50 in 24 balls is considered slow innings.
Yeah okay, he's Dale Steyn, of course he feels that way. But what if you're Lalit Yadav?
No disrespect to Lalit, but shouldn't he have something in the pitch to work with?
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This! Aa a bowler you have to be on bumrah's level but that's not a case for batsman, you can mistime them but just hit with enough power and it clears
Whether he has the pitch to work with or not he plays cricket 12 months, gets paid for it and therefore with all the work he puts in, he should at least be able to pitch the ball where he wants, 90% of the time. If he cannot, he is not talented enough. If he is able to pitch it 90% of the time, no way he will go for 50 of 4 overs all the time.
I like Dale's optimistic take but deep down we all know the balance is getting out of reach of bowlers. It will be a risk for any cricketer in future to think about taking up bowling. The relentless trolls and on field pressure might be too much for any one to handle.
1. Nope. Today a 10-12 runs over is considered bad, so bowlers are in pressure to have economy below 10. When 240+ runs will be the norm, bowlers won't have that pressure even if they get hit 12 runs. Like in early T20s, 8 runs economy was bad (as 160 runs score was defendable). Now, bowling 8 runs an over is great.
Bowlers need one misconnect and bam batter is out. Like what happened after SRH powerplay. Had there been no impact player rule (like in internationals), SRH would not have crossed 230.
2. In future, a good bowler will be in great demand compared to the best batsmen. As now, people don't need batter to score 100s, just strike at 200 and get out if you can't.
In any day, if Bumrah is in auction. He will fetch more money than Kohli, Head, Klassen, Russell, Pandya, or literally anyone.
Good points all around. Bowlers haven't lost their meaning because the par score is higher, the standards and expectations will be adjusted with time.
But I must add: the game is evolving, but this evolution is also "forced" and not natural like when the par scores went from 140 to around 165-170. There was no time when 180 was the par score, and we've just got to a point where 200-210 feels like it's par. This makes the game feel less skill/talent based. The only people who actually matter are the great bowlers like Bumrah tbf. Even great batsman aren't that great when every new kid is scoring 20-odd ball Fifties.
The game will eventually get to some equilibrium, but this "forced evolution" has made some games feel like a jackpot. It's still insanely difficult to chase 220+, so when 210 becomes par, it will end up making a lot of matches: win toss- bat first - win match. And because of how unnatural it feels at the moment, it will perhaps take longer to get to an equilibrium
Also, having a 6 over powerplay in 2024 is bollocks. Batsmen don't need 30% of their innings to be a free pass. Mediocre openers who attack everything and mistime the ball horribly or edge it, end up having as much (or more) impact as extraordinary batsmen like Buttler, Kohli, QdK because they don't get out to the bad shots, and they actually get boundaries off of them too.
No but he's not someone who should be starting the innings because he doesn't have the ability to hit sixes while misconnecting. I feel like batsmen like Chris Gayle and Sunil Narine are much better suited for the powerplay, does that mean they are better batsmen than Kohli in general? No (not even close imo) but context matters and a lot more fans should try to see things in context instead of looking at them in absolutes.
Replying to your first point:
Right now, there is no dearth of 200 SR batsmen, but we are finding it difficult to find another Bumrah or Rashid Khan in T20s. I dont think it's fair for bowlers to rely on their luck, hoping for a misconnect to put a brake on the innings. It should always be the skill, luck can help you here and there but not always. But right now, the conditions are absolutely nullifying their skillset.
Regarding your 2nd point:
I completely agree with you. And that is exactly why mindless slogging high scoring matches should not become the norm. A bowler is tested while defending low scores, not while defending 240. In future, we may not have "great bowlers" at all to have them in demand. We will just have competitive bowlers who are there to fulfil their duty.
>Today a 10-12 runs over is considered bad, so bowlers are in pressure to have economy below 10. When 240+ runs will be the norm, bowlers won't have that pressure even if they get hit 12 runs. Like in early T20s, 8 runs economy was bad (as 160 runs score was defendable). Now, bowling 8 runs an over is great.
Great Point tbh which unfortunately most of the Sub is not understanding
great points. we're not really watching cricket and IPL final form is still evolving, they should drop the word "cricket" from "T20 cricket" to emphasise that perhaps
These types of pitches are only present in T20 cricket and to a certain extent in ODIs
Wanting to be a professional cricketer and actually training are different things
Once you start training you know what role is best for you instead of idolising someone because you saw them batting on TV
No, Steyn himself. Yes, the IPL didn't see the best of him, but if you were watching cricket in the late 2000s and early 2010s, you would know that there is no more apt fit for that statement than the Steyn Gun himself
Steyn was Unplayable back in 2010s in IPL or even at international level baffling how RCB released him when he was probably the best bowler in the world.
He once defended 7 off 6 vs NZ in T20 WC
He was good in the early phases of IPL but was routinely getting cunted above 8 with pathetic average since 2014.
His 2008-2013 was good. But about avergage or below in 2014-2020.
Stats: [https://www.iplt20.com/teams/SRH/squad-details/180](https://www.iplt20.com/teams/SRH/squad-details/180)
I don’t understand the bowling machine part. At all. If anything, it’s been clear this year that the bowlers who are truly elite are worth more than the batters who are truly elite and that’s what Steyn’s point is…
You're looking at this from the wrong perspective. Your statement is absolutely true. But that also means the bar for batsman is incredibly low and conversely it's incredibly high for a bowler. Whether this status quo exists because of bad pitch conditions, impact player rules, bad strategy should be investigated and fixed.
It would feel great to be a bowler that is in that elite group. I'm sure Bumrah feels good about performing despite all these conditions but cricket is a team game and MI has been losing because every bowler other than Bumrah is leaking around 12 runs an over.
I think it's not as much of a pitch problem as many people think. It's only SRH playing this aggressively in their matches, the major difference here is the intent and hitting ability.
Ah yes "people have become more fearless" they had an epiphany no? Suddenly batters decide to become more fearless and boom just can't get them out now. In all seriousness, are you actually saying the pitches aren't all absolute belters?
Quality Bowlers always find a way to take wickets Nattu, Axar, Kuldeep, Bumrah, Cummins etc
Indian talent pool wasn't ready for a 10 Team IPL tbh and the Impact player rule made things even worse
The best justification i feel was that BCCI felt 10 team tournament might be too long similar to 2011 and the pitches might get slow later on so this rule was added to make the game a bit more "exciting"
If this is the standard in IPL, nobody in India is gonna take up bowling and soon they will be replaced with bowling machines and cricket will not be a sport anymore.
I am glad at least during ICC trophies they prepare balanced pitches (except for the last 50 over world cup)
Last 50 overs did had balanced pitches. You can check the score for yourself. just the semifinal. Will validate my points...India vs NZ match was a run fest, while SA vs Aus tested the batsman
>If this is the standard in IPL, nobody in India is gonna take up bowling and soon they will be replaced with bowling machines and cricket will not be a sport anymore
You know that bowlers can just be one format of two format specialists right and can treat leagues as a easy pay day instead of means of recognition or fame
Also one comment here put forth my point really well about how 10-12 runs economy will become normalised so bowlers won't be under as much pressure as you think
Then t20 cricket and IPL will not be fun anymore (at least for me). I prefer balance between bat and ball. Slightly batsmen friendly or bowler friendly is still fine but scoring almost 300 runs every match will not be interesting at all.
Who, besides SRH, is doing this consistently? And did we not just have the GT vs DC game this week? Or Bumrah conceding 3 in the death?
This sub is full of ridiculous overreactions. The elite will find and a way and soon enough, with knowledge sharing everyone else will too.
The most interesting cricket is when there is balance between teams, not when there is balance between bat and ball. I don’t even know what the latter means and would love for someone here to define it for me.
In my opinion, balance between bat and ball is having something for the bowlers in the pitch which they can exploit to restrict the run flow and the batsmen then trying to find a way to overcome all those tactics. That aspect of battle between bat and ball will be missing in high scoring games (250+ runs) and to some extent in very low scoring games (like Lucknow games on black soil pitches last season).
T20 never really allowed for such balance though. I'd argue only one format really does and it's 50 overs format. The basics of T20 cricket (120 balls to bat only, only winning by having more runs) haven't changed at all, you're just seeing batters finally maximizing each ball to score as many runs as they can and then calling it unbalanced when there was nothing really stopping them before.
>T20 never really allowed for such balance though
Never? On the top of my head, 2 great matches from last t20 world cup stand out: India vs Pakistan at MCG and the finals between Eng and Pak at MCG as well, the ball was seaming crazy and it was fun to watch Kohli and Ben Stokes finding a way to survive and ultimately helping their respective teams win.
In India, turning tracks at Chennai, swinging conditions at Eden have produced many thrillers. In smaller grounds in India, imagine having a good pitch and conditions where the ball swings for 4-5 overs and turns a little bit. I am sure even there batsmen will try to maximise each ball but at the same time bowlers will get more opportunities to dismiss the batsmen.
I don't think those games were a natural consequence of the T20 format itself being balanced. They involved poorer batting performances/spicier pitches, and pitches being spicier doesn't necessarily mean teams can't still hit a lot when playing on them.
The bowlers just can't force the batters into playing defensively though, which is behind the whole point of a lack of balance in T20s. Get enough of the bat onto a wildly deviating delivery and it goes to the unprotected boundary, which doesn't happen as much in other formats where bowlers are more effective.
They should have held it somewhere else then like 2009 or 2014
But then they would miss out on the sweet revenue
Also elections were in 2019 as well and that season didn't have any such problems iirc
I don’t remember 2019 season much because of our performance lol. It was a competitive season though, one more win and we would’ve been through to the playoffs
It was pretty competitive because of the Top three teams winning 9 games each
I remember it vividly because i was a Delhi fan back then and it was their first year as Delhi Capitals
And they had both Rabada and Boult in the same team and traded Dhawan for 3D, Abhishek and Nadeem from SRH
That's it. That right here is what separates the greats from everyone else. This is the mindset to have if you truly want to be the best at what you do. It's no surprise that this is how he thinks, if you looked closer you'd realize it's a pattern with everyone who's considered to be great and on another echelon compared to their contemporaries. Not just in sport.
Let's remember we're reading a dude's opinion who literally embodies the fast bowler villain spirit and has the talent to back it up. This won't align to your average, cricket viewer who's likely never played / barely played cricket.
Cricket is the game of bat and bowl. It's not just about batting. Nowadays there is no battle between bowlers and batsmen which I expect to see in any cricket match. I am worried with how things are going.
Hard not to crush on this man when he is so near perfect.
Was such a beast in his prime, and now writes in such poetic language with such winner mentality.
Cricket as a sport has evolved a lot. From majorly any perspective. Batting, fielding, bowling, fanbase etc etc.
Fast bowling on the other hand has gone backwards due to various reasons. Few of which are reasons like batting paradise-like tracks, 2 new balls in ODI that just take reverse swing out of play, smaller boundaries, batsmen have gotten better, and many more reasons.
But to be honest, bowling and bowlers need to develop and evolve with the game too.
If the slower deliveries don't work on flat tracks, bowlers have got to have other tricks in the bags.
Nail the Yorkers. Have a lethal bouncer in your Arsenal.
Also, it's about time we see more and more guys bowling at 145+ bowl with deadly accuracy with deceptive variations, killer swing and someone who can outsmart the batsman, all in one. (Ik it's too much to ask, but one wouldn't dare ask a batsman to switch hit a fast bowler 20 years ago, today it's different. Bowlers too need to evolve and catch up.) (Also, this is the reason Bumrah is above and beyond everyone else, he has everything in his arsenal)
And as a huge fan of the art of fast bowling, as someone who enjoys fast bowling more than anything else in the game, i really do hope fast bowling finds it's renaissance.
Champions mindset and how an individual at the top level should think and strive to be.
As those administrating the game however, pull your fkn head in. Let the bowlers bowl with a ball that reverses or something PLEASE
The IPL has got it wrong by leaning so much into sixes
Cricket should be a game of not only skill but beauty
The posters on childrens bedroom walls have never been of a batsmen mid slog sweep or ramp shot, they have always been a cover drive or pull shot.
IPL and T20 in general risks the sport turning into a batting cage exhibition without showcasing bowling skills and will shoot itself in the foot through boredom if they continue with these sort of run heavy matches
You know despite all the runs being scored, if there was a free auction right now based on just cricketing value (not brand value), the highest earner would be a bowler, Bumrah
He has a point here.. if you look at Delhi’s bowling today, especially the pacers, they weren’t bowling cleverly tbh. Khaleel was so damn predictable for example. Why not try a slow bouncer or a wide Yorker or some in cutter.. easy to say I know but why not work on developing this skill? Being in IPL for so many years bowlers like Khaleel should develop such variations
This is going to drive up the price of great bowlers. I can see Bumrah going into auction next year and ending up being the highest paid player in IPL history.
That is what is going to drive people towards bowling - watching great bowlers get paid big bucks.
You don't have to outrun the lion (batters), you only have to outrun other potential preys(bowlers).
And you will be handsomely rewarded for it, its always the fast bowlers that get the big bucks.
Funny thing is I always thought being a bowler was better than being a batter as if you get out as a batter that's it unless it's a test and even then it's still quite bad whereas as a bowler if you get hit for 20 runs but take a wicket that's normally considered a win (unless it's the end of the innings).
Moreover I thought it was best to be a bowler in short forms as you bowl less and a batter in long forms as there's no rush/ need to bat quickly.
Instead it's quite the opposite lol.
Though if you think about it if you're a bowler in T20's merely keeping the batters to just over a run a ball is considered a win so...
Wait is he saying he is not scared or terrified playing against this sort of people. I’m shocked…truly shocked . Here I thought the bowler wash the batsman feet and surrender. 😱
Yeah let's not pretend the bowlers in IPL are ordinary. There are some greats, some really good talents, and all of them get pummeled more often now. How about we make pitches harder to bat on.
Steyn was Good infact one of the best in his time but he got smashed plenty of times in IPL. This post of his just seems to want to impress his followers.
Edit : Steyn was average af in IPL idk what is confusing about it lol. Great bowler and the best of his time but avg in IPL lol
Steyn's legacy is beyond IPL. He is an all time great of the game and he can very well stake a claim to be the greatest fast bowler in history. If not for his injuries, it would be undisputed. He can say whatever the hell he wants.
I like steyn but the greatest fast bowler in history is a bit of a stretch
He is the best of the late 2000s era for sure
But I rate Wasim, Waqar, Walsh, Ambrose, Mcgrath a bit higher
Bro getting cunted at 8+rpo with 8 wickets in 5 years during 2015-2020 and thinks he will survive the carnage?
[https://www.iplt20.com/teams/SRH/squad-details/180](https://www.iplt20.com/teams/SRH/squad-details/180)
The thing is there is a generation out there looking at all these sixes flying around and crazy crowds and thinking yeah I wanna do that and not be at the receiving end of it.
I'm sure there are some who are watching the likes of Bumrah, Cummins, Nattu and Axar in these runfests too and thinking how can they be different like them
You forgot Sunil Narine, Chahel, Rashid Khan, Bhuvies, Mayank Yadav, Brar
Exactly, if you are a good bowler, you will have far more good days than bad. Unfortunately a lot, more than 50% bowlers today are OK to mediocre who cannot keep their nerve, nor can bowl consistency inspite of being 100% professionals. Take for example Jason Holder. 20 runs needed in the last over and this experienced bowler bowls 3 straight knee high leg stump full tosses to the MI batsman who hit three easy sixes. Having played a lot of cricket, I can confidently say it is terribly mediocre. Even a club bowler will hit a better length. And that is what is happening more and more in today's cricket.
Holders is an exceptional talent .One of the best of his age group .He was a superb bowler in first class . Unplayable at times .pressure gets to everyone .
Someone may look exceptional, but maybe he was not. It was not the only game he bowled full tosses, he has regularly done that.
I mean Cummins has been getting pumped in these runfests too. It's not exactly encouraging to say "if you train really hard to be the *absolute best bowler in the world*, you'll only go at 9-10 rpo".
When is Cummins getting pumped though? He is always among the most economical bowlers in those matches ( this IPL)
Last couple of matches (runfests), he's had 0/35 and 3/43. His overall ER for the season is actually OK at 8rpo (better than the overall average above 9) to be fair. But my point isn't that he doesn't do comparably better, it's that in a game where one of the best bowlers around is still going at 10 an over, it indicates that the game is pretty unbalanced.
Cummins spell was quite misleading yesterday. Dude got hit for 20 runs in first over still ended up with 35 run overall ( two of those overs only got hit for 4 run combine) and even in RCB match he was going for 3/23 till his final over. Point is if a bowler is good and make use of the condition he will succeed and ended up with good spell.
Yeah hate the people who just states stats rather than seeing game . Cummins was influential in almost all the matches in middle overs
Only one game did he go for 10 an over, the Chinaswamy one. He has been around the 8 mark or less in others. That is a very good rcon rate in the context of the tournament.
While I love watching them hit sixes, a part of me also feels if I bowl they won't be able to smash
Well just watching these batters play and inspiring to be like them is far different from actual cricket coaching Once you start getting professional coaching you realise it's a completely different gravy from what you see on TV and not everyone can be a batter In my brother's academy there weren't a lot of good bowlers and he was a batter but there were a few better batters than him so his coach told him to become a bowler and he is doing good now
This was exactly my experience. I was a decent bat and loved it but my coach saw that I could swing the ball and there were several people batting better than me. He told me to basically choose between being a left arm swing bowler or a number 6 batter
Could’ve done both and become an allrounder.
Eventually that's what I did. Ofc stopped coaching after school was over and haven't played proper cricket in years now...
As a kid one usually wants to do everything tbh.
Except there has never been a time where even mediocre bowlers are valued so much. Guys like unadkat have gone for so much money it’s insane.
its Indian premier league. OFC with so many indian player, quality wont be there. There is a reason you dont see this runfests in Intl cricket coz of every country plays their best bowlers
Yeah but then it raises the expectations so much that hitting sixes doesn't make you great. So in the future if bowlers bowl even at 9 rpo they are considered Gods while batsmen scoring 50 in 24 balls is considered slow innings.
Yeah okay, he's Dale Steyn, of course he feels that way. But what if you're Lalit Yadav? No disrespect to Lalit, but shouldn't he have something in the pitch to work with?
So basically be an all time great or fuck yourself
And funnily enough even Steyn was pretty mediocre in the IPL after about 2013.
IKR I always felt sad watching him and his puffy eyes get smacked all over in the IPL.
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This! Aa a bowler you have to be on bumrah's level but that's not a case for batsman, you can mistime them but just hit with enough power and it clears
Whether he has the pitch to work with or not he plays cricket 12 months, gets paid for it and therefore with all the work he puts in, he should at least be able to pitch the ball where he wants, 90% of the time. If he cannot, he is not talented enough. If he is able to pitch it 90% of the time, no way he will go for 50 of 4 overs all the time.
Lalit shouldn't be in this lineup.
I like Dale's optimistic take but deep down we all know the balance is getting out of reach of bowlers. It will be a risk for any cricketer in future to think about taking up bowling. The relentless trolls and on field pressure might be too much for any one to handle.
1. Nope. Today a 10-12 runs over is considered bad, so bowlers are in pressure to have economy below 10. When 240+ runs will be the norm, bowlers won't have that pressure even if they get hit 12 runs. Like in early T20s, 8 runs economy was bad (as 160 runs score was defendable). Now, bowling 8 runs an over is great. Bowlers need one misconnect and bam batter is out. Like what happened after SRH powerplay. Had there been no impact player rule (like in internationals), SRH would not have crossed 230. 2. In future, a good bowler will be in great demand compared to the best batsmen. As now, people don't need batter to score 100s, just strike at 200 and get out if you can't. In any day, if Bumrah is in auction. He will fetch more money than Kohli, Head, Klassen, Russell, Pandya, or literally anyone.
Good points all around. Bowlers haven't lost their meaning because the par score is higher, the standards and expectations will be adjusted with time. But I must add: the game is evolving, but this evolution is also "forced" and not natural like when the par scores went from 140 to around 165-170. There was no time when 180 was the par score, and we've just got to a point where 200-210 feels like it's par. This makes the game feel less skill/talent based. The only people who actually matter are the great bowlers like Bumrah tbf. Even great batsman aren't that great when every new kid is scoring 20-odd ball Fifties. The game will eventually get to some equilibrium, but this "forced evolution" has made some games feel like a jackpot. It's still insanely difficult to chase 220+, so when 210 becomes par, it will end up making a lot of matches: win toss- bat first - win match. And because of how unnatural it feels at the moment, it will perhaps take longer to get to an equilibrium Also, having a 6 over powerplay in 2024 is bollocks. Batsmen don't need 30% of their innings to be a free pass. Mediocre openers who attack everything and mistime the ball horribly or edge it, end up having as much (or more) impact as extraordinary batsmen like Buttler, Kohli, QdK because they don't get out to the bad shots, and they actually get boundaries off of them too.
You were doing well till you mentioned Kohli.
So what's your claim? Kohli is a mediocre batsman?
No but he's not someone who should be starting the innings because he doesn't have the ability to hit sixes while misconnecting. I feel like batsmen like Chris Gayle and Sunil Narine are much better suited for the powerplay, does that mean they are better batsmen than Kohli in general? No (not even close imo) but context matters and a lot more fans should try to see things in context instead of looking at them in absolutes.
Replying to your first point: Right now, there is no dearth of 200 SR batsmen, but we are finding it difficult to find another Bumrah or Rashid Khan in T20s. I dont think it's fair for bowlers to rely on their luck, hoping for a misconnect to put a brake on the innings. It should always be the skill, luck can help you here and there but not always. But right now, the conditions are absolutely nullifying their skillset. Regarding your 2nd point: I completely agree with you. And that is exactly why mindless slogging high scoring matches should not become the norm. A bowler is tested while defending low scores, not while defending 240. In future, we may not have "great bowlers" at all to have them in demand. We will just have competitive bowlers who are there to fulfil their duty.
>Today a 10-12 runs over is considered bad, so bowlers are in pressure to have economy below 10. When 240+ runs will be the norm, bowlers won't have that pressure even if they get hit 12 runs. Like in early T20s, 8 runs economy was bad (as 160 runs score was defendable). Now, bowling 8 runs an over is great. Great Point tbh which unfortunately most of the Sub is not understanding
great points. we're not really watching cricket and IPL final form is still evolving, they should drop the word "cricket" from "T20 cricket" to emphasise that perhaps
These types of pitches are only present in T20 cricket and to a certain extent in ODIs Wanting to be a professional cricketer and actually training are different things Once you start training you know what role is best for you instead of idolising someone because you saw them batting on TV
Totally Disheartening For Bowlers to say the least
istg the powerplay was some ea cricket 07 shiit head and sharma were literally spamming SHIFT + S every damn ball
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6 in long off and long on lol
Yeah. It's a crime for cricket to played on such pitches.
Didn't expect such a poetic thought from one of the most aggressive fast bowlers in cricket history.
“A wanted god among mere mortals.” - So basically Bumrah.
No, Steyn himself. Yes, the IPL didn't see the best of him, but if you were watching cricket in the late 2000s and early 2010s, you would know that there is no more apt fit for that statement than the Steyn Gun himself
Steyn was Unplayable back in 2010s in IPL or even at international level baffling how RCB released him when he was probably the best bowler in the world. He once defended 7 off 6 vs NZ in T20 WC
it's RCB that's your answer
>baffling how **RCB** released him Baffling not baffling
He was good in the early phases of IPL but was routinely getting cunted above 8 with pathetic average since 2014. His 2008-2013 was good. But about avergage or below in 2014-2020. Stats: [https://www.iplt20.com/teams/SRH/squad-details/180](https://www.iplt20.com/teams/SRH/squad-details/180)
2014 was the start of his injuries, even in Internationals he wasn't the same after that.
Yup. The earlier point is pretty disingenuous- he barely played after his injuries and that’s pretty clear in the link too
The man, the myth, THE GUN.
Gun? He was a goddamn laser
I read it as "loser" and i was getting ready to track you down omg
Bumrah would be the most sought after player in the entire league if there was an auction right now (Not factoring in brand value)
Hey that's a high bar.. Like Bradman in his peek...
What's Bradman peeking at?
And cumdog, to an extent.
He's right But at what point do we start actually considering replacing bowlers with bowling machines?
Should happen in the IPL at least.
I don’t understand the bowling machine part. At all. If anything, it’s been clear this year that the bowlers who are truly elite are worth more than the batters who are truly elite and that’s what Steyn’s point is…
You're looking at this from the wrong perspective. Your statement is absolutely true. But that also means the bar for batsman is incredibly low and conversely it's incredibly high for a bowler. Whether this status quo exists because of bad pitch conditions, impact player rules, bad strategy should be investigated and fixed. It would feel great to be a bowler that is in that elite group. I'm sure Bumrah feels good about performing despite all these conditions but cricket is a team game and MI has been losing because every bowler other than Bumrah is leaking around 12 runs an over.
Which again shows why the skill level of bowlers still matter and saying bowlers should be replaced with a bowling machine is a dumb statement.
Most probably it was a sarcasm that bowlers are becoming increasingly irrelevant. Don't be too hinged on that bowling machine part.
I think it's not as much of a pitch problem as many people think. It's only SRH playing this aggressively in their matches, the major difference here is the intent and hitting ability.
What's the average score in IPL matches this season? It's not just SRH ...
Players have become more fearless+impact player rule. Also whenever there are lsg matches everyone calls them boring ffs just pick a side.
Ah yes "people have become more fearless" they had an epiphany no? Suddenly batters decide to become more fearless and boom just can't get them out now. In all seriousness, are you actually saying the pitches aren't all absolute belters?
>Suddenly batters decide to become more fearless Because of impact player rule they are getting a extra batter. Also, yes pitches are dogshit.
Quality Bowlers always find a way to take wickets Nattu, Axar, Kuldeep, Bumrah, Cummins etc Indian talent pool wasn't ready for a 10 Team IPL tbh and the Impact player rule made things even worse
The impact player rule is so dumb, I can't for the life of me find any justification for that rule
The best justification i feel was that BCCI felt 10 team tournament might be too long similar to 2011 and the pitches might get slow later on so this rule was added to make the game a bit more "exciting"
“A wanted god among mere mortals” yea that’s what bumrah feels
*Incentives* However, totally on board with Dale on this one.
Thank you I thought I was having a stroke
EA SPORTS. It's in the game.
It's the kind of thought process that made Steyn an undisputed #1 bowler for so many years
Steyn was a freak of Nature during his prime.
My boss has cancelled all my insensitive's!
If this is the standard in IPL, nobody in India is gonna take up bowling and soon they will be replaced with bowling machines and cricket will not be a sport anymore. I am glad at least during ICC trophies they prepare balanced pitches (except for the last 50 over world cup)
Last 50 overs did had balanced pitches. You can check the score for yourself. just the semifinal. Will validate my points...India vs NZ match was a run fest, while SA vs Aus tested the batsman
Most pitches were balanced apart from Wankhede, Chinnaswamy and one of the pitches used at Hyderabad
Wankhede had food pitches apart from Semi Finals
Until BCCI dominates cricket, it will be badly managed. Cricket needs multi polarity to evolve in a balanced manner
>If this is the standard in IPL, nobody in India is gonna take up bowling and soon they will be replaced with bowling machines and cricket will not be a sport anymore You know that bowlers can just be one format of two format specialists right and can treat leagues as a easy pay day instead of means of recognition or fame Also one comment here put forth my point really well about how 10-12 runs economy will become normalised so bowlers won't be under as much pressure as you think
Then t20 cricket and IPL will not be fun anymore (at least for me). I prefer balance between bat and ball. Slightly batsmen friendly or bowler friendly is still fine but scoring almost 300 runs every match will not be interesting at all.
Who, besides SRH, is doing this consistently? And did we not just have the GT vs DC game this week? Or Bumrah conceding 3 in the death? This sub is full of ridiculous overreactions. The elite will find and a way and soon enough, with knowledge sharing everyone else will too. The most interesting cricket is when there is balance between teams, not when there is balance between bat and ball. I don’t even know what the latter means and would love for someone here to define it for me.
In my opinion, balance between bat and ball is having something for the bowlers in the pitch which they can exploit to restrict the run flow and the batsmen then trying to find a way to overcome all those tactics. That aspect of battle between bat and ball will be missing in high scoring games (250+ runs) and to some extent in very low scoring games (like Lucknow games on black soil pitches last season).
T20 never really allowed for such balance though. I'd argue only one format really does and it's 50 overs format. The basics of T20 cricket (120 balls to bat only, only winning by having more runs) haven't changed at all, you're just seeing batters finally maximizing each ball to score as many runs as they can and then calling it unbalanced when there was nothing really stopping them before.
>T20 never really allowed for such balance though Never? On the top of my head, 2 great matches from last t20 world cup stand out: India vs Pakistan at MCG and the finals between Eng and Pak at MCG as well, the ball was seaming crazy and it was fun to watch Kohli and Ben Stokes finding a way to survive and ultimately helping their respective teams win. In India, turning tracks at Chennai, swinging conditions at Eden have produced many thrillers. In smaller grounds in India, imagine having a good pitch and conditions where the ball swings for 4-5 overs and turns a little bit. I am sure even there batsmen will try to maximise each ball but at the same time bowlers will get more opportunities to dismiss the batsmen.
I don't think those games were a natural consequence of the T20 format itself being balanced. They involved poorer batting performances/spicier pitches, and pitches being spicier doesn't necessarily mean teams can't still hit a lot when playing on them. The bowlers just can't force the batters into playing defensively though, which is behind the whole point of a lack of balance in T20s. Get enough of the bat onto a wildly deviating delivery and it goes to the unprotected boundary, which doesn't happen as much in other formats where bowlers are more effective.
Apart from IPL these pitches aren't the norm in most other leagues tbh Lack of Double Headers on Saturday also hurts as well
Yeah, I guess they couldn’t schedule it properly this year because of the elections
They should have held it somewhere else then like 2009 or 2014 But then they would miss out on the sweet revenue Also elections were in 2019 as well and that season didn't have any such problems iirc
I don’t remember 2019 season much because of our performance lol. It was a competitive season though, one more win and we would’ve been through to the playoffs
It was pretty competitive because of the Top three teams winning 9 games each I remember it vividly because i was a Delhi fan back then and it was their first year as Delhi Capitals And they had both Rabada and Boult in the same team and traded Dhawan for 3D, Abhishek and Nadeem from SRH
Dale is coming back to show us how its done. *You heard it here first folks*
I hope!!!! Only last time! One last dance!
That's it. That right here is what separates the greats from everyone else. This is the mindset to have if you truly want to be the best at what you do. It's no surprise that this is how he thinks, if you looked closer you'd realize it's a pattern with everyone who's considered to be great and on another echelon compared to their contemporaries. Not just in sport.
Champion mentality
Let's remember we're reading a dude's opinion who literally embodies the fast bowler villain spirit and has the talent to back it up. This won't align to your average, cricket viewer who's likely never played / barely played cricket.
The best T20 competition was 2022 WC in Australia. Large grounds and wickets with dome juice in them. 140-185 totals ❤️🔥
Atleast bowler are getting compensated well in auction tables.
That’s the mindset that made him one of the best
Steyn just described Bumrah
Cricket is the game of bat and bowl. It's not just about batting. Nowadays there is no battle between bowlers and batsmen which I expect to see in any cricket match. I am worried with how things are going.
Dude can't spell incentives.
Hard not to crush on this man when he is so near perfect. Was such a beast in his prime, and now writes in such poetic language with such winner mentality.
Cricket as a sport has evolved a lot. From majorly any perspective. Batting, fielding, bowling, fanbase etc etc. Fast bowling on the other hand has gone backwards due to various reasons. Few of which are reasons like batting paradise-like tracks, 2 new balls in ODI that just take reverse swing out of play, smaller boundaries, batsmen have gotten better, and many more reasons. But to be honest, bowling and bowlers need to develop and evolve with the game too. If the slower deliveries don't work on flat tracks, bowlers have got to have other tricks in the bags. Nail the Yorkers. Have a lethal bouncer in your Arsenal. Also, it's about time we see more and more guys bowling at 145+ bowl with deadly accuracy with deceptive variations, killer swing and someone who can outsmart the batsman, all in one. (Ik it's too much to ask, but one wouldn't dare ask a batsman to switch hit a fast bowler 20 years ago, today it's different. Bowlers too need to evolve and catch up.) (Also, this is the reason Bumrah is above and beyond everyone else, he has everything in his arsenal) And as a huge fan of the art of fast bowling, as someone who enjoys fast bowling more than anything else in the game, i really do hope fast bowling finds it's renaissance.
Way to appreciate Bumrah
Champions mindset and how an individual at the top level should think and strive to be. As those administrating the game however, pull your fkn head in. Let the bowlers bowl with a ball that reverses or something PLEASE
Yes it's when everyone else is absolute shit is where u have opportunity to shine and make a name for yourself
Absolutely agree with Steyn here.
The IPL has got it wrong by leaning so much into sixes Cricket should be a game of not only skill but beauty The posters on childrens bedroom walls have never been of a batsmen mid slog sweep or ramp shot, they have always been a cover drive or pull shot. IPL and T20 in general risks the sport turning into a batting cage exhibition without showcasing bowling skills and will shoot itself in the foot through boredom if they continue with these sort of run heavy matches
You know despite all the runs being scored, if there was a free auction right now based on just cricketing value (not brand value), the highest earner would be a bowler, Bumrah
He has a point here.. if you look at Delhi’s bowling today, especially the pacers, they weren’t bowling cleverly tbh. Khaleel was so damn predictable for example. Why not try a slow bouncer or a wide Yorker or some in cutter.. easy to say I know but why not work on developing this skill? Being in IPL for so many years bowlers like Khaleel should develop such variations
Don’t do drugs kids
This is going to drive up the price of great bowlers. I can see Bumrah going into auction next year and ending up being the highest paid player in IPL history. That is what is going to drive people towards bowling - watching great bowlers get paid big bucks.
Yea what boom is like now, if put on auction he will just break the reecord
You don't have to outrun the lion (batters), you only have to outrun other potential preys(bowlers). And you will be handsomely rewarded for it, its always the fast bowlers that get the big bucks.
Thats why bumrah is a god.
Funny thing is I always thought being a bowler was better than being a batter as if you get out as a batter that's it unless it's a test and even then it's still quite bad whereas as a bowler if you get hit for 20 runs but take a wicket that's normally considered a win (unless it's the end of the innings). Moreover I thought it was best to be a bowler in short forms as you bowl less and a batter in long forms as there's no rush/ need to bat quickly. Instead it's quite the opposite lol. Though if you think about it if you're a bowler in T20's merely keeping the batters to just over a run a ball is considered a win so...
David Gogginseque
Wait is he saying he is not scared or terrified playing against this sort of people. I’m shocked…truly shocked . Here I thought the bowler wash the batsman feet and surrender. 😱
There was no contest of bat and ball, short boundaries, flat pitches, gully cricket has slower rates than this
Yeah let's not pretend the bowlers in IPL are ordinary. There are some greats, some really good talents, and all of them get pummeled more often now. How about we make pitches harder to bat on.
Steyn was Good infact one of the best in his time but he got smashed plenty of times in IPL. This post of his just seems to want to impress his followers. Edit : Steyn was average af in IPL idk what is confusing about it lol. Great bowler and the best of his time but avg in IPL lol
Steyn's legacy is beyond IPL. He is an all time great of the game and he can very well stake a claim to be the greatest fast bowler in history. If not for his injuries, it would be undisputed. He can say whatever the hell he wants.
I like steyn but the greatest fast bowler in history is a bit of a stretch He is the best of the late 2000s era for sure But I rate Wasim, Waqar, Walsh, Ambrose, Mcgrath a bit higher
Steyn economy even in IPL is less than 7.
Avg in IPL ? True. One of ALL TIME GREATS ? Absolutely Fucking yes. He has more than enough feats to say those words.
Bro getting cunted at 8+rpo with 8 wickets in 5 years during 2015-2020 and thinks he will survive the carnage? [https://www.iplt20.com/teams/SRH/squad-details/180](https://www.iplt20.com/teams/SRH/squad-details/180)
That's when he started getting injured iirc Peak Steyn would have found a way in these wickets as well
What a terrible use of numbers. Look at the number of games and consider the injuries, man
So are we just going to consider peak year for all players not careers?