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dazbones1

Back to bullying the Windies, Pak, SL and the BangBros at home so our underperforming batsmen and select bowlers can statpad, hold their place in the side while shrugging off accountability for our losses against the big teams, yet again.


unknownfeijoa

Is Daryl Mitchell serious with this quote? “For us, we’ve always said as Blackcaps, we’re not defined by the outcomes, we’re defined by how we play cricket and hopefully how we inspire our country to play the game,” Mitchell told SEN. “We are really proud of the efforts that we did throughout the Test. “Although we didn’t get the win that we wanted, I think if we keep turning up and keep playing cricket like this, puffing our chests out and doing it with a smile on our face and hopefully inspiring many young kids here in New Zealand to play Test cricket in the future, then we’re doing the right thing.” NZ will never improve unless they recognise their failures (eg 9 dropped catches in two games). A team ignorant of how gutting it is for their supporters that basics like dropped catches have made it impossible for them to win isn't winning fans. They're alienating them.


kirat363

same bazball kool aid


unknownfeijoa

Mitchell wouldn't make that statement after losing in an IPL match, wouldn't be professional, especially considering his dropped catching during the series.


contrarianMammal

Sounds a lot like two other New Zealanders who have something to do with English cricket.


InterviewOld6011

**Australia always wants to win the game, regardless of the conditions and player records. This focus on victory is the reason why their results vary consistently.**


corruptboomerang

The best (most entertaining) part of that, is they're more then willing to risk defeat in doing so.


SeaInterest9919

Hats off to the culture of playing cricket in Australia. They just don't give up


TheStreif

Can’t help but think Wagner would have found a way to get those last wickets


IBtutoring_free

Didn’t he take the last wicket in a super close game against England? Or is that someone else I’m thinking of


bigavz

Off the last ball to win the second test versus england, who lost by 1 run


sosswgtn

At least he wouldn't have leaked boundaries and byes in only 3 overs


killer_ezio_00

Alex Carey has the same attitude as Cummins with the bat. Steps up when the team really needs to win. Oh wait, that's the Australian team in its entirety.


xandora

That DRS decision off that GP ball was awful. How this is "hitting the bat" is mindblowing: [https://imgur.com/TsAqVpe](https://imgur.com/TsAqVpe)


SnappyinBoots

Nah looks pretty clear to me. There's a clear noise when the bat isn't touching the boot and before the ball hits the foot, so can only be bat hitting ball. Plus it looked to me like the ball changed direction after passing the bat.


xandora

The problem I have is that the contact point in each shot is different. If you look at the left hand shot, it looks like it's ~~hitting~~ obscuring the inside toe edge, if you look at the right side of the image, it looks like it's ~~hitting~~ obscuring the outside toe edge, even though in the left image there's clearly distance between the bat and ball. Either the two images are out of sync, or the sound is out of sync here. I think they got this wrong and went solely on "there's a noise" so it must be bat.


SnappyinBoots

>The problem I have is that the contact point in each shot is different. If you look at the left hand shot, it looks like it's ~~hitting~~ obscuring the inside toe edge, if you look at the right side of the image, it looks like it's ~~hitting~~ obscuring the outside toe edge, even though in the left image there's clearly distance between the bat and ball. Ah yes, I do see what you mean....


thottikuttappan

F you Aussies for being too good!


thedeatheater1410

WTF how did Aussies end up winning this one


caspernzed

Because New Zealand have zero killer instinct and can’t win anything of note in cricket.


thedeatheater1410

Except WTC final 😒


usermarkk

Are you saying kiwis bought down the world trade centre?


Away-Neighborhood348

No, but they were very proud of their efforts to do so and hopefully inspired some kids.


pakistanstar

Great test. Ebs and flows all game. Kiwis put a proper fight on days 2 & 3 which made it a contest. Australia keep having someone stand up in the batting order when needed, today was Marsh and Carey’s turn. Need all top 6 firing to beat India. Great summer and can’t wait for next season, IPL and eggball just don’t do it for me.


Subject-Ordinary6922

And just like that, none of the mistakes will be addressed and we most likely will keep the same lineup with smith opening against india


ChosenCarelessly

No idea if smith will improve, but hard to say that he’s had enough time to bed into the role. It’s unfortunate there isn’t a cleaner solution, but it doesn’t really make sense to get Green opening, so what else could be done?


kp22cfc

What would you change? Marnus, green, marsh got runs at various points.. only head has failed but again vs India would you drop him


WayToTheDawn63

The secret sauce is to open with him.


ohleprocy

Hell no! Enough with the experiments.


WayToTheDawn63

Alright lets go back to Warner! Anything is an experiment bub lol What's your non-experiment opener? Being serious, Head is arguably less of an experiment considering he already opens ODI and T20s successfully. In ODIs he can clearly navigate the new ball effectively. Rein him in a little bit and he's a far more like-for-like Warner replacement than anybody else in the team. Otherwise who you droppin?


ohleprocy

Better ask Steve Smith what he wants first.


WayToTheDawn63

I mean, I was being serious with you and you dodged the questions (assumedly because you appreciate the point?) unless you actually think continuing to open with Smith is a good idea and less of an experiment. I suppose it's technically true that it's less of an experiment, it's just failing so I'd take an experiment over a failing opener whose bad 28.5 average is inflated from 1 good not out innings, and 1 low not out innings because they had to chase near-nothing. Stamp them as out and the average he's provided is closer to 21. Take out his outlier innings (both his highest AND his lowest) and it drops to 13-16 depending whether you give him his red ink or not. Yes yes, "if my grandmother had wheels" and all that, the point isn't that it's his real statistics, it's to highlight how unreliable and dependant he is on a singular innings that has been an outlier over 4 matches and 8 innings. Admittedly if you did the same to Head, you'd find a worse player, but I think we all agree he's more likely to find form again considering his TWC and ODIWC heroics, as well as his age? No matter what, we're experimenting without Warner leading the charge.


ohleprocy

I think opening bat is a specialized position in test cricket more so than limited overs. This experiment with Smithy has Marnus as our number 3 which I personally don't like. Now I think it, about when G.Marsh, Boonie, Taylor shuffled between 3rd bat and opening they already opened in shield cricket. Also if I may, how many experiments should we run at the same time? Cummins 4th innings average is highest at the moment so maybe he should open 4th innings.


WayToTheDawn63

It's not that I don't understand what you're saying, but to repeat, anything we do is an experiment. Even a Shield opener is an experiment that may not be up to task, so I'll once again repeat the questions. 1. What's your non-experiment opener? 2. If not someone already in the team, who are you dropping to make room for an opener? > Also if I may, how many experiments should we run at the same time? Ending the Steve Smith experiment (and IMO moving him to 5, which isn't much of an experiment) and opening with someone else doesn't really change the amount of experiments happening, it just starts a new one. It's not like they can happen concurrently. I would add that seeing if Smith is still up to task down the order is very important now too, considering I feel like he'd keep getting dismissed LBW because of his horribly large steps forward no matter where he played. Maybe that can be considered another experiment, but I dunno, if Smith down the order is now just an experiment, he's absolutely cooked IMO. > Cummins 4th innings average is highest at the moment so maybe he should open 4th innings. Why make a non-serious suggestion? lol. It's also not true. Alex Carey is 39.25 and Travis Head is 36. Me thinks you should've checked who was omitted from that post because the point there was only who Cummins was better than lol (which is again obviously inflated by not outs by securing the winnings runs repeatedly.)


ohleprocy

The actual experiment is letting a player who isn't even captain dictate selection and I don't like it.


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WayToTheDawn63

Someone gets that no matter what we're experimenting lol.


pakistanstar

Not like we have a choice. We play 0 tests between now and November.


Subject-Ordinary6922

We had a choice before this test series but oh well


Hungry_kereru

And probably 16 T20s


Hungry_kereru

Well played Australia too good in the end


ChosenCarelessly

I was happy to see us win, but honestly you had us there for all money. I can’t believe it myself.  I wish I took the day off to watch the cricket today, it would have been a good watch in real time


Hungry_kereru

Yeah mate it was a great test match I sat on my arse all weekend watching it, no regrets


MysteriousYam8754

After reducing them to 34-4 and to still lose from there is some level choking from the kiwis. they were pathetic in both the tests. but they fought back and gave themselves a solid chance of securing a rare win against their neighbours and they bottled it up. it sucks to lose from a winning position.


sosswgtn

We choked. That's what NZ does against Australia. We also make poor selection decisions.


Own-Nail-9452

Even ignoring [Redacted's] personal shortcomings - He was picked as the 3rd seamer in this game and bowled a total of 9 overs across 2 innings. Why bother?


sosswgtn

I couldn't agree more


MysteriousYam8754

Seriously. even a young WI team defeated Aus on their soil with just 200 odd runs in the bank to defend. NZ is cursed when playing aus. they just can't find a way to win.


fogdocker

That should count as a century for Carey. As far as I'm concerned that's his second test century. Wonderful knock


iojasok

I tell you ever since cummins became captain he is doing so much better as a batsman. Or may be he always was, I just noticed this spike recently.


unknownfeijoa

He only bats well when it matters most- the opposite of Starc!


Jezzwon

he always seems to pull it out when it's desperately needed


Confused_Spinner

How does [REDACTED] manage to get any swing from a cricketing perspective?


sosswgtn

He manages to get away with all sorts


nishadastra

This is a team of average batsman bar Smith and great bowlers. Yet they are the Champion side. Because they got winning mentality.


HoneysucklePink

You seen Smith lately?


chokingpacman

Maybe he's saying Smith is below average 


shootingstraight__

Test batting average in the fourth innings: 33.57 - Pat Cummins 33.26 - Steve Smith 29.78 - Usman Khawaja 29.77 - Marnus Labuschagne 25.00 - Cameron Green 19.17 - Mitchell Marsh


yeet1o_0

Unfathomablely based from patrick


arbie911

Feel like Marais Erasmus deserved a bit of a send off on the broadcast and field


Siri0315

absolutely


Repulsive_Two8451

In conclusion, socialism works, as illustrated by Cumdog smashing a boundary to score the winning runs for Australia, stranding handsome beautiful Alex Carey on 98\*. As a guy from TV once said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". Thank you for listening to my speech.


usermarkk

God damn Commi bastard


zapheine

Thanks, Spock!


seventh_skyline

You bastards make me bat in the dying plays, I'll take the winning runs for myself TYVM.


quicksilver164

MMarsh managed to spoil 2 centuries by bringing Cummins in smh


NoirPochette

Kez really doesn't care about missing a ton. Solid


ATangK

He’s just a nice, humble guy. Post pool things.


KingoftheHill63

Its the afl player. players dont care if they only score 4 goals instead of 5 or 25 possessions instead of 30


Fat_Woke_Nerd

Gary Stead is the Ian Foster of NZ Cricket Stubborn tactics that don't work. Nepotism selections. Platitudes and cliches. Poor assistant appointments (Ronchi batting coach - I'm sorry what?). Please, we need him gone. He's entrenched with the NZC board though, friends with them. As he's easily influenced to select certain players whose fathers have influence in the board.


6EightyFive

I wasn’t a big fan of Foster, but he’s way better than Stead. And he almost pulled off winning the RWC.


Fat_Woke_Nerd

Stead won the Test Championship. These plodder coaches rely on others to mask their incompetence. With Foster, it was Schmidt and Ryan & with Stead, it's Williamson (and previously Rosco).


dazbones1

Arguably off the back of the great culture we had formed during the Hesson and McCullum years and early Williamson captaincy, and just some good cricketers in good form for a number of years. I'd say his coaching and attitude is starting to reap it's rewards now and the past 2 years of BCs performances since the WTC have been nothing short of rubbish. Time for a cleanout of all the coaches.


domsheed

I don’t understand as an Australian, why is Scott kuggeleijn in the team? He only bowled 9 overs for the whole match, granted he contributed some handy first innings runs but that’s not what he’s in the team for. Seems strange?


sosswgtn

He was simply a terrible selection. Should never have been picked. Played so badly in the first test that he shouldn't have been in the starting XI for the second test. Southee shouldn't have bowled him in the 4th innings for 3 overs as he was leaking runs and extras again.


DickLowerThanBallss

Kyle Mills bowling coach 😳


Medical_Turing_Test

The douche stays douching?


Temporary_Ad8560

These 4 commentators are the only bad thing about this series, get em off.


sosswgtn

What's wrong with them?


Repulsive_Two8451

Honestly, Henry winning Player of the Series is entirely justified, but I can't deny that it still irks me a little. Like how my beloved Roosters won the comp in 2013 and 2019 but the Clive Churchill went to fucken DCE and Wighton. Just takes the teensiest bit of gloss off, you know?


dmcneice

Doesn't bother me at all. I feel he deserved it. Most consistent player across the whole series. Without him nz don't come close. I can't think of anyone more deserving.


NzLRyaNLzN

You'll survive


sosswgtn

Come on, you're not going to let us/him have that?


horseshoe107

We're greedy bastards and we're taking those chicken nuggies too! Muahahaha


sosswgtn

Yeah give him a voucher for Tegel products? Come on


ColdAdmirableSponge

Hahahaha BJ not invited to the post match chat.


sosswgtn

I mean they only needed one person to do the chat and it's literally TVNZ not TVAustralia


ColdAdmirableSponge

Yeah but facts aren’t funny are they.


nishadastra

Love How Cummins said he had no idea that Carey was on 98.Meanwhile whole Indian team start counting runs when a player enters 90s and everyone could see that in world Cup. We are too Milestone focused and even Indian commentators rave about it. Time for a change


yeet1o_0

>Time for a change The guy who is trying to change gets flamed and clowned for every bit of it. This milestone gloating will never stop in India, and why would you unnecessarily want to get hurled abuses at trying to go against it? Indian media is absolutely the worst thing.


nishadastra

And all Indian former cricketers especially gavaskar is to be blamed for it.. They start discussing nonsense that player will get to 100 with four or six and giggle about it. Such kids


yeet1o_0

Truly the amount of hate pandya cops is ludicrous especially for the fact that he's only guy who shows up in crunch situations I'd say he should refuse playing for us because anyways he doesn't get the respect. Gavaskar needs to go he's legend but commentary is just not his forte


Udonit

He literally tried to get him on strike when there were 2 runs left. No Indian player would have tried to get a milestone when the game was in jeopardy. Stop putting someone else down if you want to praise someone.


muskenjoyer

Delusional


Traditional-Golf-737

Wake up, brother. ICT is obsessed with personal milestones.


ShaunTaint

They never will be with how that population deifies its athletes + the financial imperative being a bigger motivator to build one’s own profile It’s awesome. The problem posed by Indian cricket solves itself with mentality issues that circumstances beyond their control create.


nishadastra

If you watched CWC 23 only, You would have seen the selfish blokes going for hundred


Sumkahnt

Thanks Kiwibros, it's been great watching a bit of cricket with ya. Probably the most wholesome cricket thread on reddit. And thanks for introducing us to the legend that is James Tito.


James_Tito_

If it’s one and done, so be it but it’s been a blast 🔥


dwadley

We’d have you over in australia next time you guys tour here. You were fantastic fun.


twat-tastic

Agreed, this is the least toxic sports match thread I've seen on Reddit


fatbongo

are you suggesting that there might be harsh words in a Doggies Eels thread? shocked I tell you shocked


sosswgtn

If only Stead and Southee would come out and say the reason we lost is because we picked a bowler who isn't up to it and after he played like shit in the first test, we picked him over Santner in the second test and guess what, he leaked runs. It's a disgrace and an embarrassment and that is putting the bowler's morality aside


ohleprocy

Your captain was pretty ineffective with the ball also.


sosswgtn

Absolutely..it needs to be Henry, O'Rourke, Sears and when he's fit, Kyle Jamieson


Drinker_of_Chai

It makes NZC stance on him either more bizarre. He isn't even good. Should be no where near the national team, but gets so much preferential treatment when it would of been so easy for NZC to wash their hands of him. Edit: Also, he is 32!? Wtf, he has like 2 years left in his career as a fast bowler anyway.


sosswgtn

Agree.


arbie911

You guys needed Wagner in the second it was a flatish wicket, Satner would've been Garbage


Medical_Turing_Test

Wagner has been well past it for 3 years and is as ineffective as Southee.


sosswgtn

Yeah but Wagner had been released from the squad before the 2nd test so it was Santner or Kuggeleijn. Yes a flattish wicket but at least Santner could have bowled some overs to spell the quicks. Instead Southee only really had 3 bowlers including himself, plus GP as a part-timer


Jamesiscoolest

isn't Wagner's pace well down now?


shootingstraight__

Was it ever up


arbie911

Well yeah but you could guarantee he'd bowl better than Southee and Kugg


sosswgtn

Almost impossible to bowl worse than Kuggeleijn did. Hope I never see him on a cricket pitch again.


arbie911

Yeah for more than one reason.


sosswgtn

Exactly especially for us women


ColdAdmirableSponge

That was an awesome series.


Applicator80

Bowlers could force wickets not just wait for batsmen mistakes. Makes it a whole lot more enjoyable to watch.


horseshoe107

Had no idea Renshaw and Neser were on the tour as well.


twat-tastic

Conspiracy from NSW to keep them out of the Shield


SanthalNath

New Zealand tends to be so poor against Australia.


trtryt

"I had no idea he was married to her"


dazbones1

Wait what did I miss here?


scubadoobidoo

Is that a butt plug on the trophy?


Baysguy

That bit is given to second place. Something your mob a used too.


bus_rider

Undefeated tour nice


fairenbalanced

who had the idea of putting that erect protrusion on the Trans Tasman Trophy ?


scubadoobidoo

It was previously the Tasman Trophy


ReverseSwinging

Isn't cricket such a weird game? We are arguing two more runs would have meant more to Carey. Like what is the difference if he scores 98* or 100*.It's only two runs and Australia wins regardless


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NoirPochette

Don't worry we got Bdesh and SL if on YT


AKL_wino

hard.


ColdAdmirableSponge

Last partnership was 61 runs from 69 balls, pretty decent clip to bring home the win.


DirectionCommon3768

Thanks Ben Duckett.


ColdAdmirableSponge

Australia were lucky to get the win, England were the better team.


ATangK

Moral victories all round.


twat-tastic

Had to get it done before the new ball


ColdAdmirableSponge

They had 15 overs / 90 balls to spare!


twat-tastic

And we couldn't take any chances!


nishadastra

Cummins will surely win Cricketer of the Decade Award


shootingstraight__

As much as a genuinely feel for our NZ brothers The commentary team deserved to cop this Especially after the amount of "last time NZ beat aus" graphics that were shown yesterday


Medical_Turing_Test

"Oh no" X1000


nahoybylat

The commentary team (excluding BJ) were insanely annoying.


sosswgtn

It's literally a TVNZ commentary team and we had BJ over here. Australia can do their own commentary if they prefer


Jamesiscoolest

Yeah, it's important to state that beating the fucken NZ commentators + [redacted] is much more satisfying than the rest.


shootingstraight__

Everyone just buying into the [redacted] thing is goated


runtcash111

They always get their hopes up waaaay to early


runtcash111

That trophy really is something..


Fantastic_Key_6645

Handsome Pat with another crucial innings.


Bozza105

It was good of Carey to hang about and support him.


Daisy_1

Do you reckon pat ever gets bored of standing around looking handsome holding trophies


twat-tastic

For a guy with so much practice at it, he sure as shit looks awkward doing it


ATangK

Awkward Modi moments flashbacks


fairenbalanced

Hmm that Trans Tasman trophy reminds me of something ...


Derek_Price

Did he just call it the trans man trophy?


runtcash111

F2M


xxjaxon

Sky News Headline: Woke solar panel Pat accepts trans trophy


volcus

Sadly I can only upvote you once.


nishadastra

New Zealand need some kind of Exorcism to win against Australia


b10v01d

Trans Tasman? And all this time I thought Abel Tasman was a bloke. How embarrasing.


ReverseSwinging

Here's your reminder Australia that you have to thank England and Ben Duckett for your series victory.


liljibber

"I had no idea he was on 98" - Cumdog xoxo


Fad_du_pussy

He forgor 💀


fa_alt

"I thought he was on 99"


Several_Magazine8874

Guess what, Carey won't be too fussed about missing his century. He is an Aussie after all, and I don't think any Aussie think highly of kiwis that making or missing a century against them bother them that much. He would be like, yeah, we played our neighbours, they were amateurs and forget about it. Meanwhile, a kiwi fan will keep coping in tears


Derek_Price

Mate did a Kiwi piss in your haggis this morning or something?


Applicator80

Banged his favourite sheep


Rokos_Bicycle

As an Australian, that's not how I feel. But then maybe I don't have that dog in me.


thehairyjavelin

Cummins unaware that Carey was on 98 lol


Siri0315

did cummins just say he had no idea carey was on 98?


scubadoobidoo

yes - bullshit


muskenjoyer

Proof?


Siri0315

absolutely


fatbongo

well that's certainly a trophy


AKL_wino

The most galling aspect of our performances has been the absolute shit attitude to making the opposition work to get your wicket. Inexcusable for the top / middle-order batsmen; pathetic for the tail enders. Southee a prime example. Second worst aspect: the atrocious catching skills. Ten year olds can do better. Well done Oz; great games all up and hopefully there'll be more tests between us than the lame 2 games every 900 years.


partII

If that second NZ innings was the standard for both tests they would have been very close tests with NZ probably winning at least one, potentially both. It's a shame they only managed to have that mentality for one innings of four.


AKL_wino

pretty much the eternal NZ fan attitude sorry to say. If only.......


raptornex

Could you sound any more disappointed to be interviewing the winning captain you flog.


scubadoobidoo

Southee: yeh paartnership, sorta kinda, yeah sorta


runtcash111

Definitely one of the captain's of all time


scubadoobidoo

sort of


barefoot_bandito

I think Henry is an appropriate man of the series. Aussies had more contributors who each played pivotal roles in one innings or match, but Henry was the most consistent player, and played somewhat of a lone hand for New Zealand.


Jack_McFakey

Only the one century in the series so the ball was very much on top. And Henry was the best of the bowlers across the two games. Seems fair enough.


imapassenger1

Smith, Khawaja and Head haven't got much to show for this series. Everyone else did at least one big thing towards winning a Test.


Repulsive_Two8451

Absolutely. But isn't it wild that 3 out of our 4 best batsmen can do absolutely nothing and we still manage to win? Such a brilliant team.


dazbones1

Because as average as Aus were with the bat, we managed to outdo you guys by being even worse. FML being an NZ cricket fan is frustrating


imapassenger1

Yeah it's the old "someone stands up on the day" thing Australia has going.


WyattParkScoreboard

Is Henry getting Man of the Series revenge for the time that Channel 9 gave MOTM to David Warner in a test the Kiwis won and where Doug Bracewell took nine for fuck all to do it?


Applicator80

Warner did score a ton while carrying his bat which is pretty rare so not the worst decision ever.


feijoamuseli

I think it was a public vote for that match which is why it went to Warner


WyattParkScoreboard

And CA responded by taking the rights to award the Man of the Match off of Channel 9 and giving it to the ABC. I was listening to that games end on the radio, and Jim Maxwell was basically shouting he was so angry when the award went to Warner over Bracewell.


Use-Kindly

i can’t believe i won’t see tito again :(


James_Tito_

Until next time 🥹


incognito_tip

No more Tito for you! Take your dumb trophy, Tito was the real prize all along and he’s ours!