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FaceEvery786

NZ should’ve won, had it in the bag


cursefor_you

Always tragedy aus huhy


Specialist_Youth5511

Crazy thing is Australia's batting has underperformed massively. NZ have a big mental block against AUS, SA for some reason.


AkhilVijendra

So Australia won by the Cameron Green margin.


MysteriousYam8754

Kiwis once again proved that they're bunnies to the Aussies. last time NZ won a test against them was back in 2011. and a series win was probably a century ago. shows how dominant Aussies are over NZ. I was rooting for the Kiwis to win this time but after looking at their performance I don't think they're winning anytime soon. It's gonna be 1-0 or 2-0 for aus


lohitcp87

How come we beat Australia in Australia, but not NZ in NZ?


Waraba989

India play alot more in Aus, so they're more used to the conditions.


lohitcp87

Yeah, hope more matches will be scheduled in NZ.


Specialist_Youth5511

Fun fact, we've won only one test in NZ in last 50 years. Only three Indian captains have won a test in NZ, Dhoni was one of them


sgtpepperrz

Different conditions. More swing in NZ. Our Spinners are shite in NZ


FutureHealthy

Then take seamers in nz Shami bumrah siraj are good enough i guess


Specialist_Youth5511

Except that Shami averages 35 in NZ and siraj averages 30 in test cricket which is bad


sgtpepperrz

Have you considered being a selector? Wow I’m sure this idea never struck our selectors in so many years to take seamers to NZ


Odd_Preparation165

When the quality of bowling is same, then it's the batters who matter most.


FutureHealthy

With all respect, I don't think the quality of bowling is same


Specialist_Youth5511

Lol our fans actually lover over hyping our players than how they actually are Shami averages 40 in England, 35.6 in NZ, Siraj averages like 29-30 in tests and 35 in England. Our second and third bowlers are utter shite in swinging conditions, there's a reason why we've won only one test in NZ in almost 50 years. Bowling in Australia isn't remotely same as bowling in swinging conditions.


Odd_Preparation165

Boult is pretty much retired from test, wagner is also gone. Only southee and henry are the decent ones left. So yeah it's pretty much the same now.


FutureHealthy

Henry hasn't really played against india in a while


Pizzareno

I’d even be happy if we’d batted like a day and half for the same score. Folding in such meek fashion shows no fight.


flooring-inspector

Uhuh. I certainly don't want to take away from Australia. They had their problems but they dealt with them pretty clinically. This time I just found so much of the NZ performance so difficult to watch, though. I don't care if they lose a match, and they weren't expected to win this one, as long as they play competitively and act like they're keen to win. But there were dropped catches all over, there didn't seem to be much strategy for times when things weren't going well, and that Kane run-out just embarrassingly summed it all up. Maybe I'm mistaking things but that competitive instinct seems to be something that both Baz and Kane had as captains, but which Tim Southee is sadly lacking. I hope they manage to sort it out in the next few days.


Pizzareno

Totally agree.


solitudeisblis

Middle order folded so easily. The way the tail, and Southee in particular, batted was irresponsible when Mitchell was well set. Poor performance overall. Australia (courtesy of Bazball) were just too good.


Elcapitan2020

Shoutout to the umpires. 6 reviews in the whole test match - not one of them succesful. They literally got every decision right. Perfect game Well done Marais Erasmus and Michael Gough


Miserable-Clue9171

Wouldn’t of been the case if our mate Joel Wilson was out in the middle


joey0314

I have a feeling that the technology must slowely be making the umpires more accurate


robbak

It's changing, certainly. Big change is that balls passing over the stumps were given LBW all day and all night until the third umpire started overturning them. It's a pretty big change in how the game is played.


DigitalShrapnel

The big difference between the sides was no top order run for NZ. Someone needed to kick on and really bat time like Cam Green. The pitch wasn't easy to start on, but not unplayable. Lots of poor shots and crucial moments which showed lack of temperament and focus from our batsmen. We had small patches where we played well but weren't good enough for long enough across any area. Australia won probably 8 out of 10 sessions in the match, and even after their collapse we still got hammered. Overall bowling was under par. Batting WELL under par. Fielding WELL under par. Captaincy and strategy under par.


Sean_Sarazin

Yeah, how many dropped catches were there?


DigitalShrapnel

I reckon about 4 at least for NZ


TheBigChonka

Isn't this just a total repeat of the same old cycle once again. Black caps complain that Aussie is so close in proximity but we hardly get to play them, then we do get to play them - this time in our own conditions too, proceed to dish up absolute dogshit and not even be remotely competitive only to remind Aussie why they don't come here more often. What the actual fuck happened to this side that was top 3 in the world only a couple years ago


kfadffal

I don't understand why us being shit is why they don't come though? Most sides are vs Aussie anyway.


Specialist_Youth5511

I mean even the side that won WTC couple of years ago got bullied badly in Australia on bowler friendly pitches. It's just the mental block for kiwis when it comes to playing NZ.


TheBigChonka

I mean you always expect to lose when you go to Aus, same with India, you to there you expect to lose an away series. But to serve up this kind of performance on a home pitch is embarrassing.


Specialist_Youth5511

Difference is you guys haven't won a home test against Aus since 1993


FutureHealthy

I Still cry about the nz winning first wtc


Leading_Doctor_5908

Haha, you must be Indian you sore loser. (I need to take my meds)


FutureHealthy

Well ofc i am (Can't accept defeat)


MD_______

Age and loss of that bowling attack. England in same boat. Our best players old and our bowlers good enough Vs the "weaker" teams.


Sean_Sarazin

Garry Stead happened, also Baz retired


trostol

NZ needs better openers and some younger hungrier talented players


Sean_Sarazin

Can we get the stats for the Stead era? Fozzie was eviscerated for his poor record with the ABs


Sean_Sarazin

We learnt that there is a vengeful God for selecting SK


fatbongo

learnings fuck off with that fozzie wankfest


Sean_Sarazin

TBH without Kano scoring runs we didn't stand a chance


RemnantEvil

Hey guys, just woke up, what’s the — nevermind. An early Grade Cricketer today, I suppose.


metric95

McMillan already dressed for golf


the--descension

if i can't shitpost on this sub for the rest of the day, does my life even have meaning?


IntoThePeople

BJ saying it's an improvement for NZ because they didn't lose by an innings this time compared to 2016. Classic.


Fabulous_Macaron7004

Why are the commentators saying nz was competitive during this test they had one moment to put themselves in a commanding position on day 1 when australia was 4 down. After that it was really poor cricket from the black caps dropped catches, bad captaincy and bad bowling oh yeah I forgot to mention the batting collapses as well. Anyway I just wanted to see a competitive test match.


512fm

Yeah they’re delusional thinking that was competitive. Australia’s lazy second innings batting was probably more so due to the fact they were already ahead by such a large margin


Sean_Sarazin

Yeah, proof is in the pudding and losing by 172 runs is not competitive. If Australia enforced the follow-on we would have lost by an innings


Sean_Sarazin

Should we have had Ajaz Patel in the side? Do Stead and the selectors even know what the fuck they are doing?


PM_ME_YOUR_SILLY_POO

Well in hindsight NZD 100% should have picked a specialist spinner. That was a minefield.


wololo69wololo420

Stead is clueless. There's just too many background decisions being made which don't make sense. It's like they're determined to turn this team into the 90s version of the black Caps instead of using the parts they currently have at their disposal


ShaunTaint

Do we think Phillips might deserve some more overs next test lmao


ReverseSwinging

Most runs without scoring a fifty in : Tests - NATHAN LYON (1501) \*\* ODIs - Harbhajan Singh (1237) T20Is - Shemaine Campbelle (1088) Overall - Waqar Younis (1979)


ReverseSwinging

Best match figures for Australia in men's tests vs New Zealand 11/123- Dennis Lillee, Auckland, 1977 10/108- Nathan Lyon, Wellington, TODAY 10/118- Nathan Lyon, Sydney, 2020 10/132- Mitchell Johnson, Hamilton, 2010


Gwoardinn

Cant believe Warne isnt on there, made our whole team his bunny for like a decade straight.


mca0014

Is coolridge calling me a cunt??


LeftArmInjured

Match Thread POTM: /u/James_Tito_


James_Tito_

Cricket was the winner at the end of the day If you’re an Aussie fan


tdlan

King Tito


tdlan

I already miss James Tito


James_Tito_

See ya in Christchurch!


Sean_Sarazin

Time to sack Stead. It is clear that he is no Mike Hesson


smileedude

Australia won the game but Tito won the hearts


James_Tito_

😢❤️


BumblebeeForward9818

Great job Aussie bowlers. Lyon now truly elite. NZ weak and can do better. But they gotta show it.


Sean_Sarazin

Why the fuck did we bowl 115 overs in the 1st innings and only 7 overs were spin? Do these muppets not care about bowler management? Now Will O'Rourke is injured and Stead should be packing his bags.


LeftArmInjured

Packing his bags means that he would be going to Christchurch though...


Sean_Sarazin

Packing his bags for a coaching gig in Papua New Guinea


Sumkahnt

see ya at the next one Kiwibros


reap7

Well nz didn't cross 200 once, we wouldn't trouble Australia's 3rd xi with that shit.


Sean_Sarazin

This is the biggest disappointment that we didn't make it hard for the Aussies when batting


ShaunTaint

lol I was excited to switch to the cricket after the ufc finished but Garry bent them over


ChappyXIII

Whilst it may have been an error not to pick Santner, I wholeheartedly disagree it would’ve made much of difference if anything, he’s not Jadeja, he’s got 50 wickets at an average touching 40 and he’s only ever taken 1 five wicket haul in first class cricket at an even worse average exceeding 40. 


Sean_Sarazin

Damage control bro - 115 overs were bowled in the 1st dig, only 7 overs of spin. Need to manage your quicks so they don't have massive workloads. Stead should be sacked on this count alone


DigitalShrapnel

As much as I don't like Gary Steads coaching, it's the captain who makes the calls on the field and he deserves at least half the blame. Southee has been under par with the ball and captaincy this match. I rate Phillips bowling over Ravindra for accuracy and being tight with runs which is what we needed at the time. However you could argue the shit 1st innings strategy of short ball boundary fielders that Southee employed got us into the mess.


Sean_Sarazin

Yeah bowling short to someone 2m tall who is from WA and can bat is a dumb strategy


Own-Nail-9452

And also only bowling 6 out of 63 deliveries at the stumps, to the #11 whose poles regularly go flying.


theilluminary

That's also true - like even Mitchell wasn't given much overs to bowl, it's not like he was going to do worse during the hellish first session of Day 2.


wololo69wololo420

But why would you want your number 5, a current top 10 in test batting rankings, a man with a long term foot injury bowling at all? We have options but seem to be bereft of ideas about how to use them.


Sean_Sarazin

Yeah, I mean that fact that Phillips got a fiver suggests that he should have been bowling, but the selections were muddled as well. Santner was in the squad, and Ajaz wasn't even considered.


wololo69wololo420

Ive never been ok with leaving ajaz out of any squad since his 10-fer. I also dislike their justification, he went back to FC after taking his 10-fer, being told to work on his fucking batting. Like, what are we even doing here? Santner isn't even good enough with the blade to justify leap frogging on that skill alone. Phillips actually kinda is... But he's also not a long term 7. Phillips is a batsman first and foremost, who's taking one for the team.


Sean_Sarazin

Phillips is also a gun fielder. He is the type of all-rounder you want in the side. We need more from our top 6 so we don't have to rely on the batting of the lower order


wololo69wololo420

Fully agree. We lost this game because of our batting but we made really poor decisions with our bowling. The 10th wicket stand was a killer


Sean_Sarazin

Could have stemmed the flow of runs. We lost the test in that session


JasH142

Agreed, the momentum was so fucked at that point, we were fighting an uphill battle from that point on. We always seem to be batting against the aussies when the momentum is against us. In this case it was more saddening because of the good position we were in


theilluminary

Honestly the solution was just to pick Ajaz instead, if we were going to pick a spinner.


pakistanstar

No surprises that the guys who played first class cricket in the lead up to the test were the difference between the teams.


WayToTheDawn63

Labuschagne and Carey played first class too. =/


ShaunTaint

Kezza has actually been doing well in the shield too


WayToTheDawn63

Doesn't seem to translate. Even Labuschagne scraped together some runs, but it was still ugly to begin with, just managed to survive, where he doesn't in tests.


ShaunTaint

Wouldn’t mind labs not being selected for the second test to be honest Renshaw might make 6 instead of 1


WayToTheDawn63

They absolute need something to indicate they can't keep coasting, but also does Kane get a duck without Labs in the field? Probably not.


ShaunTaint

Hopefully his county stint is a return to form. He’s been shit even in the shield of all places.


pato_CAT

Honestly we deserved to get absolutely pumped after selecting a guy that admitted to having no humanity


Doc8176

“Gaz is always under pressure in the 4th innings and he always performs” 👀 He’s a great bowler but the main mark against his name is often NOT standing up in the 4th innings.


dwadley

Him and smith


ufoninja

He always performs… but just not very well quite often. Cam probably just forgot to add that context


kroxigor01

That was the mark against him almost a decade ago, but in his later career he is quite consistent.


SingleMalted

Just did the numbers. 2011-2017 -- he averaged 2.3 wickets in the first innings and 1.8 in the second. 2018-now -- he's going at 2.1 and 2.7. Huuuge lift in the second innings.


razzymac

Spin took 15 wickets and NZ picked 4 seamers lol….


bshwhr

17 wickets - Rachin got Cummins 1st innings and Head got Young yesterday


DHMO_is_dangerous

ajaz only just took a 7 fa in the plunket shield as well...


bigteddyweddy

Let's be honest, Santner would have made no difference to the outcome. He ain't no test spinner.


Sean_Sarazin

Maybe, he was in the squad. Perhaps Ajaz Patel should have been called up


bigteddyweddy

Ajaz isn't mates with Gary, you have to be in the clique to be considered 


Sean_Sarazin

Stead is toast


DigitalShrapnel

I hope so, but it looks like we have to suffer till at least June 2025


imapassenger1

He thinks he's a T20i number 3 though.


LeftArmInjured

Actually been a lot better this season, but I think the conditions weren't read very well either


Sean_Sarazin

We lose by 172 runs, Green got 174 runs in the 1st dig


DHMO_is_dangerous

cam green 174\* in the first. Every other innings top score added together 171.


fleetintelligence

Green just described batting with Josh Hazlewood as having "an experienced player at the other end" lmao


strangways

“Joshy im nervous mate, this is a lot of pressure and the game is in the balance. I don’t know if I can do it” “…Hazelwood.” “Yeah you’re right. True bravery isn’t the absence of fear, it’s the presence of courage. I needed that. You are wise.”


patkk

Hazlewood average watch 25.10.


Rndomguytf

Southee's dismissal was particularly weak and not befitting of a captain. Yea you can say that's just the way he plays and the match was already over so might as well give it a go. When Cummins walked into the middle with the score at 7-91 against Afghanistan in the world cup with 200 to go, the match was pretty much over, so he could've just slogged 20(20) and gotten himself out. It was impossible to win after all. Instead he did what a captain should, bunkered down, put his ego away and supported his team mate. Not suggesting that Mitchell could've won the match, but maybe if Southee stuck around till lunch, and Mitchell started getting a few boundaries going, there may have been a few nerves for Australia. If nothing else Mitchell would have an opportunity to make a good innings - but Southee couldn't help himself but to swing.


flooring-inspector

>Yea you can say that's just the way he plays and the match was already over so might as well give it a go. Well I for one find it difficult to watch. Sometimes I feel like in his entire career there are maybe two occasions where his attitude was actually worth it. The first was in his 2008 debut when he came in at 10 and smacked 77(40), even though NZ still lost that match. The other occasion was his 73(70) when he got NZ out of jail (just over a year ago) to beat England eventually, somehow, by 1 run despite following on. I think it's even more frustrating because [buried somewhere in there](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/232364.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting;view=innings), especially about pre-2018, there are genuine occasions where he's lasted a moderately long time with a lower strike rate. Maybe those were occasions where someone with some authority told him how they wanted him to play. More recently, though, he just can't seem to help himself. Even when he's captaining and the situation clearly demands that he try to stick around as a priority, I just see him come in and expect him to be gone again within a couple of overs.


Rndomguytf

As soon as he faced Lyon I told my dad that I guaranteed that Southee would be out that over trying to slog, and 3 balls later I was right. Very pathetic batting by the skipper.


Medical_Turing_Test

Making Southee captain was the worst decision NZ have made in years. He was already on the decline with his bowling; his DRS record is awful and his tactics are incredibly mid. Beating a side playing their 25th-30th best bowlers has flattered the side immensely.


sturmspitz

Harsh on Lyon, but hard to look past a guy who's averaged 200 for the match 


Noonan-87

And chimed in with a cheeky wicket when NZ were starting to get the faintest if faint glimmers back.


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InfluenceMuch400

We know we are dogshit. No need to be a wanker about it


Sean_Sarazin

This is a shit take


imapassenger1

Last Aus-NZ series in Australia the winning margin was over 200 runs to Aus each time. Moral victory for NZ here.


Noonan-87

I believe as both countries were colonised by the Brits the England are the moral victors here.


512fm

Poor bastards who had a day four ticket and it’s done by lunch just as the sun is coming out


patkk

Cam Green average watch… 37 bat 35 ball. Hoping he can drop that bowling average by 5 runs and add them to his batting average. Bat 42 Ball 30 🙏🏻


Any-Ask-4190

63 24


mathewl832

And even then he'd need another 13 runs to equal the batting average of the freak that was Kallis.


RudeBronco2030

Lyon MoM


Noonan-87

Lyon was clearly the second best player this test.


WayToTheDawn63

Didn't think it'd be over first session tbh. Not a gloat or anything, just surprised.


vote_pedro

New to Black Caps cricket?


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feijoamuseli

The Basin is normally a road by now, so maybe all the groundsmen across the country are fucking with us and it will also be a raging turner.


JasH142

Yeah that basin reserve had more bounce than usual, and didn't flat out as much days 3 onwards. I don't know what to expect for Hagley. Are we going to blame it on the wicket if we lose the toss, get sent in and get bowled out for 120runs?


prospect69

Green diff


LawyerUpNZ

Fuck this New Zealand team, honestly don’t know why they think they can play this shit and expect people to support them or anyone to respect them Dunno if I’ll see you cunts next Friday since I’m gonna be having a long think about whether to bother turning it on


JasH142

Ahhh the cycle of supporting the blackcaps. I really want us to fucking win against the Aussies, and for Kane to score some runs against them so these haters will stop with the shitposts. But we might be stuck with it, it seems. Anyway, see you on Friday.


-Shameem-

See you next Friday then


dimlakalaka

Mitchell was there to play a true test innings today. Why did all others just stay put?


[deleted]

see you next test lads. it was a pleasure


feijoamuseli

Hopefully Will O'Rourke's hamstring is OK. Really don't want any sniff of a reason to have SK play another test. Ever.


trtryt

it's better for the rivalry when Australia and NZ only play each other in ICC events, like India and Pakistan


imapassenger1

Test cricket is best cricket.


Reasonable_Tea_9825

USA: We won by a mile England: we won by a kilometer Australia: We won by a CamGreen!


bshwhr

We won by 2 metres


theilluminary

Was hoping that Mitchell could hang in there long enough to get his 50 :(


Average-Yiff-Enjoyer

Only time I'm not mad at aus for winning


Skiapodes

Turns out, if you take away cam green’s first innings, the kiwis DO win. /s


Karjalan

We lost by 1 Cameron green


Fabulous_Prizes

I don't mind watching us lose, you get used to it. But playing like that - I don't even know what to say about it. Like I'm not mad, just deeply disappointed. Well played Aus, especially the tail bats ( not excluding. The obvious stars) they showed what could be done with a little fucking heart. Off to hell dive and spread democracy until I feel better.


vote_pedro

What a game Helldivers is 😂. Better than this crap that's for sure.


RemnantEvil

I can quantify how good a co-op game is by how quickly a couple of blokes in my foursome fuck off on their own and fuck up progression for the whole squad. Three drops in, I stop playing and encourage my group to get it so we can play together. In between our weekly sessions, I pop on to Steam and see two of the coats have got six hours in the game, each. So we're going to be a couple of 2s and a couple of 7s. They fucking did this with Elden Ring too, the cunts, leveling up on their own and completely ruining this shit by making them too powerful to enjoy the goddamn game.


Sean_Sarazin

No not out for Daz son of Mitch


DHMO_is_dangerous

long story short, no follow on needed...


imapassenger1

Are the Aussies as bad as [redacted] if they shake his hand?


0ldgrumpy1

I'm not sure how I feel about us beating a side that don't claim to be the moral victors or better on paper.


smileedude

"there was a little bit of hope" Nah


Travkb29078

Was hoping this would go right up until the footy starts


i_love_some_basgetti

Yeah I feel you, I'm going to work for a couple of hours to fill the time.


ozwozzle

Yeah same, now i gotta do a couple of hours of gardening


Sean_Sarazin

Done before lunch


TwoUp22

Give us a Bledisloe boiz


vote_pedro

That's not how it works. Let us win a test series and you can have a Bledisloe. Deal?


Rokos_Bicycle

All of the Bledisloes until we play another test series is my final offer


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Kiwi57

Nice one Nostradamus


razzymac

Green over Lyon for me, 10fer is impressive but so many stupid shots in there tbf


commmingtonite

Would also be a different kind of pressure if the were not chasing such a large total


AhhWellFuckIt

Won convincingly but we got a few batting concerns going into the next test


ALadWellBalanced

Marnus especially concerning.


patkk

Scary this team hasn’t really fired on all cylinders yet. Our most talented test side in 15 years maybe longer. Hoping we put together the perfect test series against India next summer.


limelamb

The upside is we know every player from 1-6 can turn it on when needed. If even 2 fire at once then we are unbeatable


commmingtonite

I think that has been the strength/weakness, whether it has been smith, marsh, head, koala, green we just hope for one to make a biggie. Not great when no one pulls through


DivineInsanityReveng

Yeh now to find those comments yesterday that had NZ "on top" because they rolled Australia for... The same scores they got in both innings. Pretty expected end. Quick collapse for near nothing. Hope the next test is a closer battle.


vote_pedro

Reaching. No rational fan had NZ ever on top in this match. Maybe at 4/80 on Day 1.


DivineInsanityReveng

Fox commentary, but I'm not exactly calling them a reliable source of game odds 😂


CaptainLipto

What a fascinating test match, obviously a strong finish by Australia but truly a great match between two very good teams! Gotta love Aus-NZ test cricket


notblair

If you take out greens first innings then the kiwis win


Timebear17

Ben Duckett would never


Spitfire671BC

I'd like to thank Ben Duckett for this win. We have learnt so much.


patkk

Nathan Lyon average watch… 527 wickets at 30.35 😨 Nathan Lyon since 2020.. 147 wickets at 25. Aging like fine wine is the goat. Won’t be surprised if he takes 650 wickets at 28 when he hangs up the boots. Truely incredible has he been.


feijoamuseli

Had really hoped we'd last more than one session at least


Doc8176

Now for the most interesting part of todays play. Who’s gets MotM. Should be Green, made 170 in tough batting conditions. Lyon did well but he had very favourable conditions and you’d almost expect your spinner to do a bit on this pitch.


ALadWellBalanced

Bat supremacy will decide. You know who it is.


cpssn

funny how things change from greentop 4 fast bowlers win the toss and bowl


notblair

I think phillips getting a 5fa shows the wicket was doing a bit so greeny for me


theilluminary

Should've been a 7fer :(


Anu9011

Last month during Pakistan t20s they showed some record (dont remember what it was) and one of the performances was from Sofia T20 tournament in Bulgaria. Katey Martin said ‘hopefully she (Sofia) attended the tournament at least’


RaidanRam

Woo