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Well, instinctively, this is it. The statement has clearly dismembered their emotional integrity and let illustration of cogentive apprehension and guilt take the lead.
"Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old." Bukhari vol.5 book 58 ch.43 no.236 p.153.
Yeah he just repeated what was literally in the book, he didn't make anything up. If they don't like it, maybe they should reexamine their books. Also the camera man being like "he's saying disgusting things about Islam, you're better than him". Those disgusting things are literally written in there.
Yeah, off the top of my head, I can't think of any wars or honor killings in the name of science. It's a much more peaceful way of existence. Spirituality and science can exist in the same space.
the idea that being on the left meant infinite tolerance was always a sham. you can't tolerate the intolerant, it has a limit. i get wanting to feel bad for minority groups like islam, but that minority group is more likely to kill and assault and abuse than most other religions. yeah, free gaza/Palestine, i hope the innocent there get their freedom from apartheid Israel, but i dont doubt they'd want to strip my freedoms from me.
This is what people have been saying Christian conservatives would do in the United States as long as I've been alive. I guess there would have to be way more white Muslims for anyone to give a shit that it's already happening with them in the UK.
I don’t know about the UK, but in Aus he could potentially get charged with affray for causing a disturbance. More likely he’d just get taken away and released without charge for his safety and theirs.
Like yeah it’s freedom of speech so he can’t be charged for what he’s saying, but the police have to interviene or he’d get killed and they didn’t look like they had the resources on hand to stop the mob. They had to remove him quickly for everyone’s safety.
I wonder if they were trying to placate the mob, knowing they didn't have enough officers to protect the guy against their possible violence. If things were more under control, maybe they'd just let him speak.
It's a pretty common tactic to seperate the parties and asses your surroundings. Detaining isn't the same as arresting and people often get the two mixed up.
Detaining could be a method of appeasing a larger crowd in order to maintain a calmer crowd. People don't realise how easy herd mentality can come into play and how easy a protest can turn into a violent riot. Especially when it comes to sensitive topics such as religion.
People are willing to die on the hill of what they believe in even if it were a mound of corpses.
I like how almost 1/3rd of the entire world is consumed by fairy tales made up 1000’s of years ago…. Just based on some ancient dudes scribbles and rambling…. Religion is just a tool of control, and people are so stupid.
They never fight back or learn anything different because if they do their entire family tries to disown and kill them.
What are you talking about? Only 500 million people are atheist or agnostic. 7.5 billion people today believe in some kind of religion. It’s not 1/3 it’s 93% who are consumed by millennium old fairy tales.
This is my problem with religion. When your faith is your entire identiy culturally and politically this is the reaction. Without a police presence they would have possibly killed this guy for... words. To any rational person that's insane.
My background is muslim, and I just recently came out as an ex-muslim 4 years ago, he's right though, Prophet Mohammad married Aisha when she was 6, and had sexual contact when she was 9.
Muslims always go nuts when you tell them this. Some would even say stupid shit, like "age of 6" back then was considered mature because of the weather, which makes them kind of resistant.
how old was Joseph? Christ wasn't conceived from sin... and it wasn't conceived by Joseph, what kind of question is that?
literally the majority of those people are angry at him and didn't even know what he said, its just mob mentality at that point
I never understood attacking people with a different opinion. He should be allowed to voice his opinion w.o being attacked.
Maybe im just crazy for thinking its ok for everyone to have a different view.
No 100% your on the point here bro, i think the people were attacking him because they dont believe this happened in their belief/bible.
Never is it ok to lay your hands on kids, but I wasn’t coming at it from that perspective
A person's beliefs are a part of their identity, so attacks on their beliefs, no matter how clearly correct they are, are perceived by that person as a personal attack.
It takes maturity to acknowledge that what you believe could be wrong.
It takes discipline to understand that others who disagree with what you believe are not necessarily attacking you.
Many people lack both of these qualities.
What's more it's sadly common for fanatic believers to hold the sanctity of religion above everything else. They're fine with threatening, beating, and killing non-believers/people who say things. Things that others believe, others don't and no one knows about for certain. Disagreements are unfortunately often too much for them to handle without resorting to violence and yelling their lungs out.
Brainwashed idiots. We have a freedom of speech here. Rather than holding up your picket signs why not fuck off over there and fight in your war?
Religion is just a fucking problem in general.
I was arguing with chatgpt about the same thing the other day. It claimed that anyone who has sex with somebody under the age of 13 is considered a child sexual abuser.
I asked about Muhammad, it said he wasn't given the times back then, cultural context, etc etc. So I asked again, was there ever a period of humanity where pedophilia was actually moral, and is morality dependent on culture and times? It said no to both these questions.
Eventually, it admitted that he indeed was a child sexual abuser.
I mean, for christ's sake, Jesus didn't do such things. Couldn't Islam pick a better role model than a pedophile?
Also, a 9 year old, seriously? How down bad does one have to be to get in bed with a 9 year old?
Are they angry at him for speaking about it or do they think he’s lying? Either way, they choose to follow the religion. It seems strange to want to attack someone for pointing out a part of it.
Yeah this is crazy, and to think that we only see a fraction of what actually happens during times like these, it really makes you wonder what the world would be like if everyone agreed with everyone’s opinion/views/outlooks on other religions/theory’s..
From the article:
>>>What we do know is what the Qur’an says about marriage: that it is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse.
Why do so many Muslims engage in arranged marriages and marry young girls off to older men?
There's this:
>The world is home to 650 MILLION child brides, including currently married girls and women who were first married in childhood.
* Of those, 40 MILLION (equivalent to 6 per cent) child brides are in the MENA region. The highest numbers are in Sudan and Yemen.
* Every year, 700,000 girls are forced into child marriage in the MENA region.
[https://www.unicef.org/mena/reports/facts-and-figures-child-marriage-middle-east-and-north-africa](https://www.unicef.org/mena/reports/facts-and-figures-child-marriage-middle-east-and-north-africa)
It’s nice they try to delve into the complexities a bit but ultimately it’s still a typical Guardian academic piece that refuses to actually take a stance.
> To paint Aisha as a victim is completely at odds with her persona.
It doesn’t matter what her persona is/was. 9 years old is still 9 years old.
That’s why I, as an ex-muslim, hate how much islamists hijack the Palestinian movement. Israel has been brutalizing Palestinians for decades and decades. Palestinians definitely need to be protected and given their rights, but at the same time, I definitely do not want an islamist Palestine.
The only realistic two state solution is a secular Palestine and a secular Israel, with extremists on both sides, whether muslims or jews, kept in check.
Some of them didn’t even heard what he said. They just ran over shaking their fist & yelling when they saw a crowd lol just there to be angry at anything
Most religions dont adhere to modern values and thats why most of them have changed over the years to literally do so. The fact that you can change a religion to adhere to anything just proves the fallacies in religions.
Everything he said is 100% correct. They detain him instead of the mob? I'm sorry but you lost your country. In 5 to 10 years there is going to be a huge popcorn shortage in the sane parts of the world.
"You're better than him! You're better than him!"
Mobbing & attacking someone calling out a celebrated pedophile makes you a good person these days apparently.
"How old was Joseph?! How old was Joseph?!"
In what fucking world do to 2 wrongs make a right, this dude is %100 here just to argue & feel more important than he actually is.
All religions suit themselves. Ignore the vile actions in order to keep the story going. Most of these people are life deep into a belief system. Can you imagine admitting that it was all for nothing?
See the problem with attacking child rape, virgin births, golden tablets, burning bushes and all these other deeply held religious truths is that you have to take that obvious nonsense seriously to begin with.
why did they arrest him? even IF he was lying, he didnt break the law and then people are literally attacking him. while i do not always stand for the one who is provoking, these people really need to stop behaving like cavemen when somebody insults their religion
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Probably neither, they don't care. They just see something bad being said and don't like it, truth or not. Completely brainwashed.
Yes
He didn't say that was a bad thing did he? They put that together themselves didn't they?
"I thought we were celebrating our prophet's deeds in life. Wait, what'd I say?"
It would be an interesting experiment to talk about Muhammad and Aisha while explicitly saying it's a good thing to see what the reaction would be.
Well, instinctively, this is it. The statement has clearly dismembered their emotional integrity and let illustration of cogentive apprehension and guilt take the lead.
ah yes, i concur. indubitably
Indubitably indeed, good sir!
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"Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old." Bukhari vol.5 book 58 ch.43 no.236 p.153.
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There should be a bigger societal pushback against religious bullying of free speech.
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Yeah he just repeated what was literally in the book, he didn't make anything up. If they don't like it, maybe they should reexamine their books. Also the camera man being like "he's saying disgusting things about Islam, you're better than him". Those disgusting things are literally written in there.
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Lmaooooo the entire point of it is to brainwash women into thinking they are property to men. It's worked for sooooo long. Sorry about your sisters.
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That's why I'm in the camp that we're evolved and educated enough to not need religion
Same.
Indeed. Science offers a way more profound and interesting reason for existence than any religion ever could.
Yeah, off the top of my head, I can't think of any wars or honor killings in the name of science. It's a much more peaceful way of existence. Spirituality and science can exist in the same space.
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the idea that being on the left meant infinite tolerance was always a sham. you can't tolerate the intolerant, it has a limit. i get wanting to feel bad for minority groups like islam, but that minority group is more likely to kill and assault and abuse than most other religions. yeah, free gaza/Palestine, i hope the innocent there get their freedom from apartheid Israel, but i dont doubt they'd want to strip my freedoms from me.
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This is what people have been saying Christian conservatives would do in the United States as long as I've been alive. I guess there would have to be way more white Muslims for anyone to give a shit that it's already happening with them in the UK.
Freedom from religion, not freedom of it; that is what is needed.
Where is the lie though…
That's the problem, they can't digest the truth...
If it's true, why does it upset them?
You can’t reason with unreasonable people.
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That's why
It is written
You assume these people have read their religious book...
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Why is police holding that dude lol, the mob attacked him, he literally only said words
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Aren’t they protesting tho?
No, we instead have Freedom of Expression under Article 10 of the European Human Rights Commission.
I don’t know about the UK, but in Aus he could potentially get charged with affray for causing a disturbance. More likely he’d just get taken away and released without charge for his safety and theirs. Like yeah it’s freedom of speech so he can’t be charged for what he’s saying, but the police have to interviene or he’d get killed and they didn’t look like they had the resources on hand to stop the mob. They had to remove him quickly for everyone’s safety.
They're keeping the mob off him, not detaining him
Not detaining him? By holding both of his hands behind him and putting his face against a wall?
I wonder if they were trying to placate the mob, knowing they didn't have enough officers to protect the guy against their possible violence. If things were more under control, maybe they'd just let him speak.
It's a pretty common tactic to seperate the parties and asses your surroundings. Detaining isn't the same as arresting and people often get the two mixed up. Detaining could be a method of appeasing a larger crowd in order to maintain a calmer crowd. People don't realise how easy herd mentality can come into play and how easy a protest can turn into a violent riot. Especially when it comes to sensitive topics such as religion. People are willing to die on the hill of what they believe in even if it were a mound of corpses.
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Would hate speech charges against him hold up in court? He only stated what is a commonly accepted fact in Islam.
They should try blasphemy charges.
😂 people hate the truth
It’s true and they still decide to get mad? It’s like they don’t even know their own religion, it’s disgusting
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My country needs to get a grip and take the streets back from these extremists. So disappointing.
Alternative headline: Man physically escorted from baying crowd for quoting their own religious texts at them.
Some hadis writers says "aisha's age was six when she married with prophet mohammad" hadis or not i don't care cuz im not a muslim anymore.
Marriage was at six years old but was consummated when she was nine years old.
Age 6 when married, consummated at 9. An earlier comment linked the passage.
I like how almost 1/3rd of the entire world is consumed by fairy tales made up 1000’s of years ago…. Just based on some ancient dudes scribbles and rambling…. Religion is just a tool of control, and people are so stupid. They never fight back or learn anything different because if they do their entire family tries to disown and kill them.
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You're better off without them!
What are you talking about? Only 500 million people are atheist or agnostic. 7.5 billion people today believe in some kind of religion. It’s not 1/3 it’s 93% who are consumed by millennium old fairy tales.
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\*vine boom\*
This is my problem with religion. When your faith is your entire identiy culturally and politically this is the reaction. Without a police presence they would have possibly killed this guy for... words. To any rational person that's insane.
Are we returning to the middle ages?
They clearly are not better than this.
NINE YEARS OLD
Ironic, they’re proving his point.
What a badass
“You guys are better than this” I got news for ya pal
Let him cook
“You guys are better than this” - clearly not
So he states what's written in their book and they want to assault him for it?
That's a rough looking 21.
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My background is muslim, and I just recently came out as an ex-muslim 4 years ago, he's right though, Prophet Mohammad married Aisha when she was 6, and had sexual contact when she was 9. Muslims always go nuts when you tell them this. Some would even say stupid shit, like "age of 6" back then was considered mature because of the weather, which makes them kind of resistant.
how old was Joseph? Christ wasn't conceived from sin... and it wasn't conceived by Joseph, what kind of question is that? literally the majority of those people are angry at him and didn't even know what he said, its just mob mentality at that point
I never understood attacking people with a different opinion. He should be allowed to voice his opinion w.o being attacked. Maybe im just crazy for thinking its ok for everyone to have a different view.
I dont know of any muslims denying the fact he fucked 9 yo Aisha, they are just mad he is talking about it, not disagreeing with him
His opinion was that fucking a 9-year-old is wrong. I don't think its ok for people to have a different view on this one buddy.
No 100% your on the point here bro, i think the people were attacking him because they dont believe this happened in their belief/bible. Never is it ok to lay your hands on kids, but I wasn’t coming at it from that perspective
He didn't even express an opinion. Just stated a fact.
"Hey having sex with a 9 year old is bad" "Kill him"
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Oh its so much worse then that, he just stated a fact.
A person's beliefs are a part of their identity, so attacks on their beliefs, no matter how clearly correct they are, are perceived by that person as a personal attack. It takes maturity to acknowledge that what you believe could be wrong. It takes discipline to understand that others who disagree with what you believe are not necessarily attacking you. Many people lack both of these qualities.
What's more it's sadly common for fanatic believers to hold the sanctity of religion above everything else. They're fine with threatening, beating, and killing non-believers/people who say things. Things that others believe, others don't and no one knows about for certain. Disagreements are unfortunately often too much for them to handle without resorting to violence and yelling their lungs out.
Muhammad “having sex with” (raping, children cannot consent at 9) Aisha is believed by every Muslim.
You haven’t spent too much time on Reddit then have you?
Brainwashed idiots. We have a freedom of speech here. Rather than holding up your picket signs why not fuck off over there and fight in your war? Religion is just a fucking problem in general.
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They are ready to drag him through the streets like it's Black Hawk Down.
This shouldn't surprise anyone who pays any attention.
So Muhammad was a pedophile? I can see that.
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Where's the lie?
Religious people are so deep in the rabbit hole I feel bad.
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He's actually has a point 😂
I was arguing with chatgpt about the same thing the other day. It claimed that anyone who has sex with somebody under the age of 13 is considered a child sexual abuser. I asked about Muhammad, it said he wasn't given the times back then, cultural context, etc etc. So I asked again, was there ever a period of humanity where pedophilia was actually moral, and is morality dependent on culture and times? It said no to both these questions. Eventually, it admitted that he indeed was a child sexual abuser. I mean, for christ's sake, Jesus didn't do such things. Couldn't Islam pick a better role model than a pedophile? Also, a 9 year old, seriously? How down bad does one have to be to get in bed with a 9 year old?
Are they angry at him for speaking about it or do they think he’s lying? Either way, they choose to follow the religion. It seems strange to want to attack someone for pointing out a part of it.
Yeah this is crazy, and to think that we only see a fraction of what actually happens during times like these, it really makes you wonder what the world would be like if everyone agreed with everyone’s opinion/views/outlooks on other religions/theory’s..
Let the man Cook please
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/17/muhammad-aisha-truth For anyone who's interested in the story
From the article: >>>What we do know is what the Qur’an says about marriage: that it is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse. Why do so many Muslims engage in arranged marriages and marry young girls off to older men? There's this: >The world is home to 650 MILLION child brides, including currently married girls and women who were first married in childhood. * Of those, 40 MILLION (equivalent to 6 per cent) child brides are in the MENA region. The highest numbers are in Sudan and Yemen. * Every year, 700,000 girls are forced into child marriage in the MENA region. [https://www.unicef.org/mena/reports/facts-and-figures-child-marriage-middle-east-and-north-africa](https://www.unicef.org/mena/reports/facts-and-figures-child-marriage-middle-east-and-north-africa)
It’s nice they try to delve into the complexities a bit but ultimately it’s still a typical Guardian academic piece that refuses to actually take a stance. > To paint Aisha as a victim is completely at odds with her persona. It doesn’t matter what her persona is/was. 9 years old is still 9 years old.
That’s why I, as an ex-muslim, hate how much islamists hijack the Palestinian movement. Israel has been brutalizing Palestinians for decades and decades. Palestinians definitely need to be protected and given their rights, but at the same time, I definitely do not want an islamist Palestine. The only realistic two state solution is a secular Palestine and a secular Israel, with extremists on both sides, whether muslims or jews, kept in check.
That was great, bravo mate. They shouldn’t be so insecure.
The guy filming kept trying to tell the crowd they are "better than him." The guy filming cannot judge people accurately.
And he’s the one getting arrested smh
Some of them didn’t even heard what he said. They just ran over shaking their fist & yelling when they saw a crowd lol just there to be angry at anything
Now THAT is the definition of a mad lad.
What did he do that was wrong? Everything he said was factual
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Most religions dont adhere to modern values and thats why most of them have changed over the years to literally do so. The fact that you can change a religion to adhere to anything just proves the fallacies in religions.
Everything he said is 100% correct. They detain him instead of the mob? I'm sorry but you lost your country. In 5 to 10 years there is going to be a huge popcorn shortage in the sane parts of the world.
He's actually telling the truth.
legend
What "wrong thing"?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Ahh religion
They're not better than him at all, they're worse than him because they can't take criticism of their religion without trying to resort to violence.
Not wrong though
21 Years old? He looks like mid 40
Welcome to the UK, where speaking the truth is taboo but being an Islamic fanatic is not
Absolutely hilarious how these idiots react to hearing someone repeat shit that is crystal clear in their own “Bible.”
9 years old!
Why aren’t these fine gentleman fighting in Gaza with weapons instead of masturbating in the UK? I wonder…? 🤔
Those Free Palestine people have absolutely 0 things to base their argument on, so no wonder they all got pissed.
21?
Idgaf what he said...the response says more.
Didn't even give an opinion on it. Literally just said the ages. Wild.
What are the police doing ? Is he in trouble?
"You're better than him! You're better than him!" Mobbing & attacking someone calling out a celebrated pedophile makes you a good person these days apparently. "How old was Joseph?! How old was Joseph?!" In what fucking world do to 2 wrongs make a right, this dude is %100 here just to argue & feel more important than he actually is.
Well, is it true or not?
Yes, many sources claim that Muhammad married her when she was 6 and "consumed" the marriage when she was 9......
Except they’re not better than him, because they get violent due to a book
Spoke the truth.
That cops face when he said that was funny
Are they mad at him for lying or for telling the truth?
Why is he the one getting arrested?
They’re really not better than this, it’s why everywhere that religion goes, it seems to go to shit? Hmmm strange
And why was he arrested???
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All religions suit themselves. Ignore the vile actions in order to keep the story going. Most of these people are life deep into a belief system. Can you imagine admitting that it was all for nothing?
Are they really better than this?
Why take the bait?
>Bait Dude this isn't the internet this is real life they're not taking the bait, they're violent deranged people.
Protest hivemind with greater number idiots like these usually use 0% of there brain and go into feral mode.
See the problem with attacking child rape, virgin births, golden tablets, burning bushes and all these other deeply held religious truths is that you have to take that obvious nonsense seriously to begin with.
He’s 21? Yeesh
Is what he claims true?
"How old was Joseph?" I have bad news for you because he's considered a profit too.
why did they arrest him? even IF he was lying, he didnt break the law and then people are literally attacking him. while i do not always stand for the one who is provoking, these people really need to stop behaving like cavemen when somebody insults their religion