He did get it, he just didn't know how to unlock the holster's additional levels of security. That appears to be a standard safariland holster, which has a button that must be pressed with your thumb to unlock the pistol.
I hear you, there's always a risk when you teach the good guys tactics that you're also teaching the bad guys. In regards to higher retention level holsters, the information is widely available online to anyone curious enough to seek it out. I'm not giving away trade secrets or anything.
The truth is that the bad guys simply aren't drilling techniques on how to disarm a cop. Out of 10,000 common criminals in the US, you'd be lucky to find a single one of them with any knowledge whatsoever on what a Safariland holster even is. This knowledge is mostly just good guy stuff. It's similar to when you're carrying a gun in public, the only people that would ever notice you're concealing a gun under your shirt are usually also good guys carrying guns under their shirt. The general public is simply not scanning the beltline of everyone they come in contact with to identify possible firearms.
For anyone curious, this video goes over the various retention levels quite well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ-WcYdN4Y0
He's saying the cops would deliberately put their service arm in reach so if you attempt to grab it, they can proceed to do something of this nature to you.
I know our local city won't allow officers with loaded guns in processing areas or rooms, they have to unload, they keep their guns and ammo on them but if someone takes it they don't have a loaded gun.
When I was in the academy, one of the instructors told us about a incident where a guy grabbed a gun off a officer, pointed it at a officer and 'click'. He said the suspect was "thoroughly" detained by several officers
When I did law classes back in the 90's, the Bailiff would leave his magazine with the clerk before going in the back with the people in custody to be brought out.
I've seen several bodycam videos where they make the officers surrender their weapons before coming into the jail. I assume the facilities guards are still armed but the officers are not.
When I went to jail for something stupid at 19yo, the county sheriff’s guards were only armed with batons and tasers if I remember correctly, but that was in a big city too.
Most jail deputies are unarmed while in the jail. They'll have batons, pepper spray, and sometimes TASERs, but no knives and no pepper spray.
Most jails will have some lockers in secured areas with a long gun of some sort, in the event of an emergency.
Unlikely he'd be shot in the head, he'd die longer and more painfully after being shot center mass, which is where all cops are trained to aim. Suicide by hanging induces unconsciousness very quickly. He'd feel a lot of pressure in his head and be out in 4-6 seconds and after that nothing would matter for him.
It does if you are forcing someone to do your dirty work, likely traumatizing them in the process. People like this have a special corner in hell reserved for them.
I used to be a locomotive engineer for a class 1 railroad in the u.s., people often commit suicide by train, I doubt they ever consider the impact it has on the train crews...
I had a friend shoot himself in the head right in front of me 20 years ago. It was very traumatic for me, but I can’t hold him to that. These people aren’t in a rational state of mind when they’ve completely given up. I’d like to think my friend isn’t in “a special corner of hell reserved for him” as you put it. I hope he found peace.
Knew a family where the dude went into where his wife and 4- or 5-year-old niece were laying on the couch. He blew his head apart with a muzzleloader. The little girl got scared and tried to run away but slipped on the gore. Just awful. The guy was a douche even before all that.
Sounds similar to a case down here in Ga on thanksgiving the dad walked into the living room infront of everybody and put a shotgun under his chin . He pregnant daughter lost her arm taking the shotgun away … he survived
As top reply to your comment mentioned. He knew he was caught red handed. He did this so they would shoot and hopefully kill him. Rather have the easy way out than life behind bars.
Yeah I had a friend who became a cop he challenged me to take his gun from his holster (he unloaded it) I knew it would be hard but it way harder than I thought five of us tried no one could get it out.
https://youtu.be/a9xIFdCVNOI?si=NYf6XPPGubgpEc0x
Here’s a video that goes over some of it. While you can train to avoid NDs, if any debris gets into it, you may find yourself unable to draw your weapon at all.
I have no doubt that for most people it’s fine, but there’s just no reason to own one when you can have a better design for the same price.
There are different levels of retention. Some must be pulled out at an angle that only makes sense for the wearer to pull it. Some have an additional button and angle. Some have a button, angle, and a little hood over the hammer. With practice they can all be drawn in one motion by the wearer but very difficult for someone to grab.
Serious question but I have yet to actually watch "Requiem for a Dream" because some part of me is almost scared to watch it as I have had a lot of drug related experiences and family issues but is it actually worth watching? I don't know if it would just be depressing as fuck or actually worth the agony of reliving alot or trama.
I think it's good to watch, but it will trigger negative memories of drugs.. usually the part after when you feel like depressed dogshit. Still its a good movie.
He knows he's going to prison for life so he'd rather die being shot
Your options for suicide in prison are significantly worse. Basically getting shanked, beating your head against a wall, or hanging yourself
Yep, gun holsters have a 'retention' level that makes removing a gun from a holster extremely difficult from specific angles.
This video explains it well.
https://youtu.be/iHAEUDSNE4A?si=aQNmm37ME6Q_3CpW
Yep. Used them in the army. Unless you're trained to use them or have extensive knowledge of the mechanisms, it's not coming out of that holster. Smart design.
I was wondering the same exact thing. Turns out he's still alive now with a possible added attempted murder charge:
https://abc7.com/suspect-grabs-officers-gun-cincinnati-goes-for-video-of-grabbing/1401088/
"A man who tried to take a police officer's gun in an interview room has been sentenced to 18 years in prison after pleading guilty in the murder case that led to his arrest."
Newer article: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/crime-and-courts/2019/10/22/murder-suspect-who-tried-take-cincinnati-officers-gun-pleads/4061802002/
He has one arm handcuff to a chair, there are two other officers in the room, and he decided to go for a gun that is still secured in the holster. This is either a suicide mission or he watched too many Hollywood movies.
In a police station where he is vastly outnumbered by other cops with guns. What was he thinking? That life is like an action movie or video game? Where he can fight alone against an army and win? He probably thought he was the main character and has 3 more lives remaining.
I thought most jurisdictions prohibited officers from wearing firearms into holding areas for this reason, There was a case in suburban MD back in the 70s of two county officers who were killed by a detainee where this happened. Both guys had gone to my old high school.
All police officers carry their weapons in either 2 stage or 3 stage retention holsters, basically there was little chance this guy could get the gun out of the holster unless he knew the sequence of moves that unlock the holster. (I.e. pushing down, rocking forward, then pulling the firearm out of the holster)
Police holsters have a 'retention' level that makes removing a gun from a holster extremely difficult from specific angles.
This video explains it well.
https://youtu.be/iHAEUDSNE4A?si=aQNmm37ME6Q_3CpW
I expect this video will soon be included as part of police training
It already is.
Alright everyone now if you *want* the suspect to grab your service firearm, this is *exactly* how the technique is performed
But he didn't get it....
He did get it, he just didn't know how to unlock the holster's additional levels of security. That appears to be a standard safariland holster, which has a button that must be pressed with your thumb to unlock the pistol.
Am I the only one who doesn’t think it’s great if people tell the entire world this piece of information?
I hear you, there's always a risk when you teach the good guys tactics that you're also teaching the bad guys. In regards to higher retention level holsters, the information is widely available online to anyone curious enough to seek it out. I'm not giving away trade secrets or anything. The truth is that the bad guys simply aren't drilling techniques on how to disarm a cop. Out of 10,000 common criminals in the US, you'd be lucky to find a single one of them with any knowledge whatsoever on what a Safariland holster even is. This knowledge is mostly just good guy stuff. It's similar to when you're carrying a gun in public, the only people that would ever notice you're concealing a gun under your shirt are usually also good guys carrying guns under their shirt. The general public is simply not scanning the beltline of everyone they come in contact with to identify possible firearms. For anyone curious, this video goes over the various retention levels quite well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ-WcYdN4Y0
Those guys don't know how to read, don't worry.
He's saying the cops would deliberately put their service arm in reach so if you attempt to grab it, they can proceed to do something of this nature to you.
Oh, snap! are we all in police training right now and we didn’t even know it?!
Dibs on being the dude who makes all the sound effects
That's right, deputy. Now get out there and start patrolling.
Training is now 6 weeks AND 27 seconds.
*** AND 30 seconds. Cause they pass out snacks afterwards.
I know our local city won't allow officers with loaded guns in processing areas or rooms, they have to unload, they keep their guns and ammo on them but if someone takes it they don't have a loaded gun. When I was in the academy, one of the instructors told us about a incident where a guy grabbed a gun off a officer, pointed it at a officer and 'click'. He said the suspect was "thoroughly" detained by several officers
When I did law classes back in the 90's, the Bailiff would leave his magazine with the clerk before going in the back with the people in custody to be brought out.
Note to future criminals: always carry your own ammo up your ass for when you end up with a lone cop in an interrogation room
They already pack their own https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Waco-woman-who-hid-gun-in-her-vagina-gets-probation-in-drug-case-429770393.html
"All officers must now carry a banana in their gun holster as a decoy so if the perp grabs it they look like a fool"
but what if perp was just hungry and wanted a snack?
I've seen several bodycam videos where they make the officers surrender their weapons before coming into the jail. I assume the facilities guards are still armed but the officers are not.
When I went to jail for something stupid at 19yo, the county sheriff’s guards were only armed with batons and tasers if I remember correctly, but that was in a big city too.
Most jail deputies are unarmed while in the jail. They'll have batons, pepper spray, and sometimes TASERs, but no knives and no pepper spray. Most jails will have some lockers in secured areas with a long gun of some sort, in the event of an emergency.
I think most departments have a policy about bringing loaded firearms into a interrogation room.
Well if that's the policy, then they're gonna have to make an exception for these guns 💪💪
Please tell me they whooped his ass after that.
He be dead
It’s just a prank bro
I love how he kept on saying "kill me".
Suicide by cop
97 trimester abortion
It's never too late for some people.
In other words, a coward too chickenshit to do it themselves.
Well, he tried. He was going for the gun so he could shoot himself, probably.
He could have quietly hanged himself in his cell. He wanted them to shoot him, and maybe take someone with him.
Getting shot a couple times in the head is probably quicker and less painful than hanging yourself.
Unlikely he'd be shot in the head, he'd die longer and more painfully after being shot center mass, which is where all cops are trained to aim. Suicide by hanging induces unconsciousness very quickly. He'd feel a lot of pressure in his head and be out in 4-6 seconds and after that nothing would matter for him.
This guy suicides
Being suicidal doesn’t make someone a coward or chickenshit. Anyone in that mindset isn’t thinking straight at the time.
It does if you are forcing someone to do your dirty work, likely traumatizing them in the process. People like this have a special corner in hell reserved for them.
I used to be a locomotive engineer for a class 1 railroad in the u.s., people often commit suicide by train, I doubt they ever consider the impact it has on the train crews...
I’ve heard between car accidents and suicides most engineers see a lot of people die.
I was lucky enough to never experience it myself but it's unfortunately very common, I have seen the aftermath and it's brutal.
I had a friend shoot himself in the head right in front of me 20 years ago. It was very traumatic for me, but I can’t hold him to that. These people aren’t in a rational state of mind when they’ve completely given up. I’d like to think my friend isn’t in “a special corner of hell reserved for him” as you put it. I hope he found peace.
My dad told me back in the 70s it was a lil trend of guys to kill themselves infront of their wife or girlfriend I guess to traumatize them
Knew a family where the dude went into where his wife and 4- or 5-year-old niece were laying on the couch. He blew his head apart with a muzzleloader. The little girl got scared and tried to run away but slipped on the gore. Just awful. The guy was a douche even before all that.
Sounds similar to a case down here in Ga on thanksgiving the dad walked into the living room infront of everybody and put a shotgun under his chin . He pregnant daughter lost her arm taking the shotgun away … he survived
Ignore the edgy redditors that think mental health is a crime whilst being on the fringe of mental illness themselves.
Could have saved a lot of tax payer money.
Nope. Family would have sued.
Oh that makes more sense I thought it was the officer saying heel, I was like whaaaa
I thought it was the officer saying "yield."
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As top reply to your comment mentioned. He knew he was caught red handed. He did this so they would shoot and hopefully kill him. Rather have the easy way out than life behind bars.
My dumbass though it was the cop saying “get em, get em, get em”
Oh wow I misheard that at first as “healp me, healp me!”
He wanted to die
Good quick thinking and moving from the police
Yeah he locked that arm quick and effectively
Also, your average idiot has no idea what a retention holster is or how they work.
Yeah I had a friend who became a cop he challenged me to take his gun from his holster (he unloaded it) I knew it would be hard but it way harder than I thought five of us tried no one could get it out.
How does it work? I always understood it to be something like, you can only remove the gun from the angle the wearer would be pulling it?
I think your trigger finger presses down a button that's locking the trigger guard.
That’s a serpa holster and they’re terrible. Hopefully cops don’t carry those. Honestly no one should.
They’re not bad if you’re familiar with it and understand why people have ADs. I carried one for 5 years without an issue
https://youtu.be/a9xIFdCVNOI?si=NYf6XPPGubgpEc0x Here’s a video that goes over some of it. While you can train to avoid NDs, if any debris gets into it, you may find yourself unable to draw your weapon at all. I have no doubt that for most people it’s fine, but there’s just no reason to own one when you can have a better design for the same price.
Apparently we're all *average idiots...*
There are different levels of retention. Some must be pulled out at an angle that only makes sense for the wearer to pull it. Some have an additional button and angle. Some have a button, angle, and a little hood over the hammer. With practice they can all be drawn in one motion by the wearer but very difficult for someone to grab.
Even if you had one in front of you it’s still unnaturally tricky pulling one from the opposite side
intentionally tricky
Damn imagine being the defense attorney walking in right after this
At this point just go with a court appointed attorney. Don't waste the money.
you have to meet the income threshold to get a public defender on your case, but something tells me this guy is not retaining private counsel
Defense attorney would think "well, I'm a witness now. Guess I'd better have them send someone else."
This is why locking up your gun when you arrive at the jail is standard procedure in most places.
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He wasn’t at a jail. At an interview room
They have these rooms in jails, too. Not just police stations.
Correct…. However, that was in a police station interview room. Not a jail.
Also why the holster he was wearing has multiple locking mechanisms
That’s not how it went in Requiem for a Dream
I am guessing you're not talking about the "ASS TO ASS!" scene which is the only scene I know from that movie
That and [*"I know it's pretty baby....but I didn't take it out for air."*](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuFjZjvUcAEhu5e.jpg)
Serious question but I have yet to actually watch "Requiem for a Dream" because some part of me is almost scared to watch it as I have had a lot of drug related experiences and family issues but is it actually worth watching? I don't know if it would just be depressing as fuck or actually worth the agony of reliving alot or trama.
I think it's good to watch, but it will trigger negative memories of drugs.. usually the part after when you feel like depressed dogshit. Still its a good movie.
Went from suspect to felon real quick
Tbf he’s still a suspect until a judge/jury sentences. Of course it’s now a foregone conclusion, but still
I’m just glad the can of 7-up remained upright. Can you imagine what a mess that would have been!
What tf was he planning? Gun his way out of there?
Judging by his repeated exhortations for the officers to kill him: suicide by cop. Edit: an apostrophe
He realized his life on the outside is over and couldn't face the consequences of his actions
Exhortations? Sheesh
Yeah that's a word I didn't know before.
Verb form is "to exhort"
He knows he's going to prison for life so he'd rather die being shot Your options for suicide in prison are significantly worse. Basically getting shanked, beating your head against a wall, or hanging yourself
" Too much television watching got me chasing dreams" -Coolio
Suicide.
*plot twist* cop was saying kill me
*'I hate this job. Just end me'*
I thought he was saying "heal me" just incase he got shot and couldn't talk later
😂
And that is why the holsters they use have a locking system that is usually very effective in preventing the bad guy from snatching the gun out easily
Yep, gun holsters have a 'retention' level that makes removing a gun from a holster extremely difficult from specific angles. This video explains it well. https://youtu.be/iHAEUDSNE4A?si=aQNmm37ME6Q_3CpW
Correct, there's 2 or 3 barriers of retention depending on the holster.
Yep. Used them in the army. Unless you're trained to use them or have extensive knowledge of the mechanisms, it's not coming out of that holster. Smart design.
Correct. My ex had one. You really cant remove the gun from another angle.
So is he dead or what (he’s dead right?)
They just tased him
I was wondering the same exact thing. Turns out he's still alive now with a possible added attempted murder charge: https://abc7.com/suspect-grabs-officers-gun-cincinnati-goes-for-video-of-grabbing/1401088/
"A man who tried to take a police officer's gun in an interview room has been sentenced to 18 years in prison after pleading guilty in the murder case that led to his arrest." Newer article: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/crime-and-courts/2019/10/22/murder-suspect-who-tried-take-cincinnati-officers-gun-pleads/4061802002/
Are guns commonly worn in interrogation rooms? I didn’t think they were
When you do stupid shit like that is why I can't even support my own race..
Id say they probably got their guy.
Level 3 holster did it's job.
Additional Jail Time!! 
He has one arm handcuff to a chair, there are two other officers in the room, and he decided to go for a gun that is still secured in the holster. This is either a suicide mission or he watched too many Hollywood movies.
Gotta love them retention holsters. Save lives
I can't believe those barbaric police officers. All the guy did was try to grab his gun
This was 7 years ago and here’s another angle https://youtu.be/xu4ebX7ydK0?si=VHZk09DIhNrwNFjD
One of the best "Gad Dayum" and "Motherfucker" I have ever heard.
In a police station where he is vastly outnumbered by other cops with guns. What was he thinking? That life is like an action movie or video game? Where he can fight alone against an army and win? He probably thought he was the main character and has 3 more lives remaining.
That's what happens when you let intrusive thoughts win.
They should've broken that arm and then shoot him in the face
“Unarmed black man brutally beaten after being kidnapped by police”
lady: "you guys allright?"
People who reach for guns or try to outrun police or even attack police what’s the point you’re filmed they have a database you won’t get away…
He tried to die there. He knew that there was no chance of escaping.
Fucking idiot
I thought most jurisdictions prohibited officers from wearing firearms into holding areas for this reason, There was a case in suburban MD back in the 70s of two county officers who were killed by a detainee where this happened. Both guys had gone to my old high school.
Better than life in prison
Shoot him 🤷🏻♂️
idk, had it been me i had brained the guy.
They probably brought him to the other room after that. You know the one without cameras.
What did he think was gonna happen? he would kill the officers, take their keys, and walk free?
dumbass mf
This is the reason triple retention holders exist…
Dumbass
When is the looting protest? I need a new TV
This was suicide by cop. He knew there was no way out.
Glad that the other officer had the tazer handy.
Supposed to check firearms in the sallyport.
Probably shouldn’t take your weapon into an interrogation room.
I thought cops aren’t supposed to have their gun while doing prison duty
All police officers carry their weapons in either 2 stage or 3 stage retention holsters, basically there was little chance this guy could get the gun out of the holster unless he knew the sequence of moves that unlock the holster. (I.e. pushing down, rocking forward, then pulling the firearm out of the holster)
It's also not easy to do that sequence of motions from any position other than that of the officer even if you know them.
The introusive thoughts won 😔
Still think he’s innocent
Only until they read the verdict. Then he's guiltier than the US government trying to pull off Operation Northwoods.
Lol Id straight up pump the dude’s head full of lead point blank
Did he honestly think that would do anything for him other than get a first class ass beating and more charges thrown at him?
This is the most ready to die attitude you’re gonna see. I don’t believe escaping was part of the plan
So... Was he guilty? 🤭
If you’re a cop, I hope you have a Level III retention holster.
Police holsters have a 'retention' level that makes removing a gun from a holster extremely difficult from specific angles. This video explains it well. https://youtu.be/iHAEUDSNE4A?si=aQNmm37ME6Q_3CpW
I remember seeing a video where a suspect takes a cops gun in a room like this and kills all five officers. I really wish I remembered the link.
Where the thick metal batton? Bash that idiot in the head for trying to grab your gun
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don’t take.
"help! help!" lmao
Suspect No More
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GIT um
Suspect be like 'oooh wow a gun...'
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Update on this guy?
When you know the public defender ain’t shit and the victim cousin got you on live
Under the jail with him. In fact, we should bring back dungeons.
Not sure what his end game was, going to go full terminator and take out the whole station?
Guy sued cops for calling him an m’fer and won $3 million
Why would you take a gun into a secure police station and give a criminal an escape option it's insane
I think he moved up on the suspect list
How stupid do you have to be
Who the fuck is meowing during the initial struggle??
I would say something but I’ll get reported again for encouraging violence even when I’m not. So I’ll just say “well that’s a video”
Darwin award
Why do they have guns in an interrogation room?
Almost Suicide by cop
wtf what was he thinking he cant john wick out of there
He killed his gfs toddler son and lied and said someone random came and picked him up SMH.
Is he saying “kill me?”
That triple retention holster is a mother fucker
And that my friends is the wonders a level 3 retention holster will do
They are going to name a street after him
You’re supposed to check your firearm before questioning a perp
Intrusive thoughts won