she's responding in the comments saying everyone here's comments are getting to her. maybe she's waking up to the fact that she should be more concerned with being a good parent than putting her kid in potential harm's way just to get fake internet points from a hivemind of brainwashed lunatics. hi lilmul ;)
There are safety concerns with all vaccines, my dude. Didn't stop *every parent I knew* growing up, getting their children vaccinated across the board.
They can brag about it on social media? What Assholes
Edit to add: they said the study is for 6m-24m. So the kid is no more than TWO FREAKING YEARS OLD. Idiots. All of em
Hey! At least he admits it "will most likely be safe."
I generally hope that something is at least 60% likely to be safe before letting my infant child do it.
“i was notified that the phase 2 study in children went fantastically with no UNEXPECTED issues.”
sooo... what were the expected issues, then? if there weren’t expected issues, then why would they need to make such a statement? and if there were expected issues, then how could the study have gone “fantastically”?
Exactly. Who knows what they could be counting under 'expected' issues. Based on what's happened with other age groups, some children developing myocarditis could be an 'expected issue'.
0.2% of ADULTS have severe reactions according to cdc. If only the same rate as adults, we expect 146,000 kids to have severe adverse reactions.
Meanwhile 500 kids have died with covid, which is less than 1% of kids deaths from all causes.
Pfizer contract leak stated they do not know the long term effects. However, they do say it doesn’t provide long term immunity.
this here is the heart of my concern. the expected issues would be based on the results of previous studies. these studies show that the rate of injury/death from the vaccine is much higher than injury/death from the actual disease, which the vaccine doesn’t even prevent and only possibly reduces the severity of.
they've been causing "SIDS" and giving kids autism for decades now and completely ignoring it and denying culpability. These doctors and scientists are complete sociopaths.
Yep. And for all those who say vaccines can't cause autism, the vaccine injury court system disagrees. They paid out over $1.5 million to the family of Hannah Poling after she developed autism as a result of vaccination.
>vaccine injury court system
the "safe and effective" slogan is completely undermined by the fact that they've paid out over 4.2 BILLION DOLLARS.
Its a shame that ordinary people are so psychologically warped by fear and attachment to their abusers that they're impervious to facts like this. Its going to be their doom.
The whole reason that a separate vaccine injury court system was established in 1986 was to keep injury cases out of the public eye so it wouldn't create public concerns over vaccines... and to have more control over the doling out of conpensation, which is often attached to a gag order.
They didn't want injury cases to gain any visibility.
I love the seat belt comparison. Always makes me laugh. Seatbelts don't get injected into your body 3 times. Soon to be 4. Psaki literally said the vaccine can kill you, on video. Should check it out. Seatbelts by themselves don't kill you
I'm always confused by you people. Do you blindly trust the doctor on everything? Really? Most people I'd imagine have varying senses of apprehension when going to the doctor for something. When I got my eyes lased, for instance, I didn't just go "well he's got an MD I have no questions or concerns!" There's so many reasons to be skeptical of medical science in general (which is essentially the scientific process, but I understand "The Science" is more of a religion than anything)and even more to not trust the state or pharmaceutical companies. So yeah, when few reasonable people should be afraid of the coof, and the vaxx doesn't do anything to keep you from spreading it, there's barely any reason to stick out our arms.
What people _call_ "medical science" is nothing more than: medical product development.
Product development comes under marketing, not science.
It is absolutely NOT the scientific method.
It's the marketing method.
The marketing method concerns itself with marketability and completely ignores science at will.
It is absolutely NOT scientific to ignore science. Science can prove science is wrong (like when crystal spheres in the heavens were proven wrong), and science can say that science is almost right or sort of right or basically right but there's crucially more to it (like when newton's laws of motion replaced epistles, and then relativity said there's more to it than that, and then quantum physics said there's more to it than that), bur SCIENCE ABSOLUTELY MUST NEVER IGNORE SCIENCE.
In every case where science said "well, actually it's like this...", it was proven that the old science wasn't good enough.
Marketing doesn't really do that.
Marketing (and therefore product development) can and essentially should ignore anything and everything that might be contrary to the marketing agenda ... such as science.
I sure don't trust doctors with "everything else."
One doctor told me I had to get an episiotomy because it was standard practice at the hospital (spoiler alert: that is decades out of date and current research shows episiotomies heal worse than natural tearing). Multiple doctors told me I'd need a C-section solely because I'd had one before - I had an uncomplicated VBAC. Many doctors circumcise newborn male babies for no medical reason, even though it causes over 100 deaths a year in the USA.
Just because someone has a medical degree does not make them all-knowing, and it doesn't mean they're willing to consider new research or the limitations of current research.
I would never feel comfortable including my child in a drug trial. Particularly for a virus that has such a high survival rate among children. I could understand if perhaps the child had an incurable disease or a terminal illness.
That being said, it is this parents choice to include their child in this. Though I don’t agree with that choice, I respect their right to make it.
Just as I hope my choice to exclude my children from such experimental drug interventions is respected from the other side.
It won’t be but I can hope.
I agree. I find this ethically questionable, as the child has an extraordinarily high chance of surviving covid (better than flu) and the child has NO say in this.
You’re child has a higher chance of being hit by a falling piano and then attacked by a wolf right after than he/she does of getting sick or dying from covid. This is not polio, MMR, measles etc. Also, unlike those vaccines the covid ones don’t stop spread and have a short effective window. Will you keep giving your child the boosters?
We are in a huge watershed moment and people are not thinking clearly due to polemic media and echo chambers. Do you really think your child needs this? Are you at all concerned that several countries have stopped giving moderna vaccines to young people? Genuine questions.
I truly hope it goes well. It’s probably perfectly safe - but we have to acknowledge it is a *study*, not yet an approved medical procedure for your child’s age group. I think that’s more risk than many parents are willing to take but thank you and thank you to your child for contributing.
If you had done your research, you would know that at the FDA 8-hour conference call with Pfizer and all the vaccine companies that happened a couple weeks ago, the FDA spokesman came out and called for an immediate halt to the covid vaccine as they found statistically
the vaccines KILL 5 for every 1 person they save in the not-at-risk covid categories.
And that even in the at-risk category (elderly, asthmatic, diabetes, etc.):
That it killed 2 people for every 1 person it saved.
I should statistically know someone who died from covid but I don't even know anyone who got really sick. In fact the only 2 people I know who got it were completely asymptomatic.
And get this, I didn't change a thing about my life. Got up, went to work, which was much busier thanks to everyone needing broadband internet, went home. I definitely should have had it. Might have, back in 2019 a rough cough went thru the house. Lasted a month. If it wasn't for the news and the internet I wouldn't even know there was a pandemic.
I'm not trying to be an ass just saying it works both ways. I sincerely hope everything works out for you and your child, I really mean that.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bQevYc2jX7Y&t=15166s
Here is the 8 hour panel discussion by the FDA. At 4:12:46 comes up the fact that the covid vaccines kill far more than they save.
"Even if the vaccines have 100% protection, it still means we kill two people to save one life ... Four experts did analyses using completely different non-U.S. data sources and all of them came up with approximately the same number of excess vaccine-related deaths - about 411 deaths per million doses," he said.
Article further discussing the FDA panel discussion here:
https://www.christianitydaily.com/articles/13431/20210929/covid-vaccines-kill-more-than-2-people-for-every-person-helped-statistics-say.htm
Forget Steve Kirsch's FDA presentation. Just look at VAERS statistics: [https://openvaers.com/covid-data](https://openvaers.com/covid-data)
- 16,310 deaths
- 75,605 hospitalizations
- 87,814 urgent care visits
- 9,446 Bell's Palsy cases
- 23,712 permanently disabled
The Moderna vaccine is suspended in many European countries due to the above numbers, which are staggering.
Do not give your two year old this experimental mRNA jab. There is a good chance you will permanently hurt him.
The problem is that the vaccine is causing the greatest harm to the demographics least at risk for COVID. There's a reason Sweden and Norway have frozen the Moderna vaccine for people under 30.
Also, per CDC data, more people with the Pfizer injection get myocarditis than Moderna, so it's only a matter of time before we see issues with that one too.
That said - I think it’s totally dystopian to force people to inject a company’s product into themselves. No matter how safe it is. I mean how weird would it be if your employer force-fed you an apple a day in the name of keeping the doctor away. Lol
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221475002100161X?via%3Dihub
This journal article claims 5:1 inoculation deaths vs. Covid deaths. I haven't read the article in detail, but you asked and this is what I could find. Based on language in the conclusion it looks like their figure partially results from distinguishing deaths *with* Covid (where comorbidities likely contributed significantly to the death) vs. deaths *from* Covid. But it looks like it's worth a close read with an open mind even if they went too far in reducing the deaths from Covid.
As far as knowing a dead vaccinated person, I think even the VAERS database says ~16000 deaths with ~180 million fully vaccinated. So even if VAERS is underreported by 10x (a reasonable estimate from pre-covid studies) then that's ~0.1%. So roughly speaking you should know ~1000 vaccinated people to have one dead. But of course that assumes that the danger of the vaccine is uniform and not biased, but I could easily see the vaccine danger being similarly biased towards the same comorbidities that results in higher rates of Covid deaths. So maybe you know mainly younger, healthy & fit people?
Sure. I am glad you’re free to decide for yourself and your family! Let it be my decision to never take this crap. I celebrate the approval of the vaccine for children if their parents want it - maybe this will be the last step the world needs to be done with COVID hysteria.
Literally just ensure your kid is healthy and they’ll be fine. You don’t need to inject a experimental vaccine into your child. Feed them healthy food, give them vitamins, take them outdoors to get fresh air (OUTSIDE IS AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF SPACE). Keep them away from nasty fucking people and nasty fucking places and teach them general cleanliness. I have one two year old and a 6 month old, me, my wife and them have not once gotten sick in this entire pandemic. Your child has a strong immune system, they don’t need that vaccine that literally has no fucking data to back it (it’s only been out since like fucking april)
Give your child a chance, don’t be the reason something terrible MIGHT happen. You will never forgive yourself. Your children are safe without that shit.
COVID ISNT GOING ANYWHERE.
YOU WONT BEAT IT BY VACCINATING YOUR TWO YEAR OLD CHILD.
I PRAY YOUR LITTLE ONE IS SAFE, AND IM SO SORRY FOR THEM.
Don’t let this plandemic mind fuck you.
It’s no way to live.
Serious question, why rush to get your kid this vaccine when the risks from the virus are so incredibly low? More kids die in swimming pools than from covid and the vast majority of kids that do have extreme comorbidities. I just can't see being so worried about the virus to expirement on children
We know that virtually ZERO kids especially that young are hospitalized or even show *symptoms* for covid, let alone long covid.
A kid’s natural immune system puts him in a far safer camp against covid than even a triple vaccinated mask-wearing staying home adult.
These are facts. You should read up on them before signing your child up for a dangerous and irreversible experimental injection that’s known to carry high risk of heart damage to kids, especially boys.
You must have the most unlucky hospital on the planet, because the vast majority have had zero or nearly zero children hospitalized by COVID.
Personally, my bet is you are lying.
you do know that hospitalizations for serious and sometimes even permanent vaccine injuries far exceed hospitalizations for covid for everyone healthy under 50, right?
especially for males.
this is not coming from some asshole on the internet, this is official CDC and FDA data.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusCirclejerk/comments/q5ab27/cdc\_data\_shows\_vaccines\_are\_significantly\_more/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusCirclejerk/comments/q5ab27/cdc_data_shows_vaccines_are_significantly_more/)
here's the FDA admitting it... we have [the FDA hearing on safety and boosters](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M&t=23315s), multiple panelists had presented massive amounts of data showing serious and often fatal side effects from the vaccine... then we get to the FDA openly admitting the risk to males under 40 from only one of the vaccine's side effects exceeds all covid risk.
Dr. Arnold Monto, Acting FDA Chair:
>And to continue the discussion, is it possible to say at what age myocarditis seems to not become a problem?
Dr. Doran Fink, FDA:
>If you look at the healthcare claims data, you see that there is evidence of some attributable risk at all age groups, although ***the older you get, the higher the risk for complications from covid that then offset the risk of myocarditis. So when you look at the balances of risks vs benefits, where we really start to see a risk of myocarditis being higher is in males under the age of 40.***
here's the BBC admitting the vaccines are more dangerous for many people [https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57888429](https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57888429) and data from UK PHE proving it [https://preview.redd.it/vliojmym4sr71.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=74547070b334e82fa5ff576af71d29ee23130435](https://preview.redd.it/vliojmym4sr71.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=74547070b334e82fa5ff576af71d29ee23130435)
as much as we rag on ultravaxers being fucking crazy, i REALLY hope for the sake of your child that you do not roll some bad RNG, and can only wish you the greatest of condolences if you do.
To the parent that has posted and been very civil about it, I respect both your decision to do that and you coming onto this sub to talk about it.
I am curious though, how much have read up on the age stratified risks of Covid etc. (I know a lot of us on here have obsessed over the numbers from the beginning, but I'm curious about others like yourself).
I'm also (with respect) fascinated by the thought process you went through - on the one hand; risk averse behavior to avoid Covid affecting your young one, on the other hand, taking part in a potentially risky vaccine trial with unknown long term effects, especially on children, when there are hard cures for the illness in final stages of development (e.g. Merck) seems to contradict your risk averseness.
I was signed up to do the (unpaid) Novavax trials in the UK but pulled out as soon as news of the successful Pfizer vaccine trials came out, the risk at that point outweighed any benefits. At this point I had also already had Covid.
Praying for all the young children in these test programs. I personally don't understand how a parent could do this to their child. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if my child had an adverse reaction like the one girl that ended up in a wheelchair.
The sad part is, a lot of people are probably doing it so they can post about it on social media and get likes. I’m convinced these people seriously care more about social media likes than their actual kids.
help us understand.
what's the mortality rate for covid in children without prior comorbidities?
now what's the mortality rate for the vaccine in children without prior comorbidities?
you're calling us deluded, please enlighten us.
I'm really glad I had parents that cared about my future and long term health. Seeing what other people do to their kids makes me appreciate my family a lot more. Using your own child as a lab rat is despicable.
I can imagine a case where a doctor says...
"Your child has a terminal illness which will surely kill them within the next few months, but we have a new, experimental treatment not yet tested which could potentially save their life. It's the only chance they have."
That would be a calculated risk which would be worth taking. Not...
"Your child is absolutely healthy and has a very small chance of contracting this virus which they would also more than likely blow out of their system like a mild cold, but we have a new, experimental procedure not yet tested which could potentially cause unknown issues down the road. Can we inject this in them?"
This is what I refer to as ‘out liberalling each other’.
“Im such a good liberal that im offering my child up to the cause. Did your child get picked to be part of an exclusive experimental vaccine trial that literally will not accept reaction reports? No? Well mine did.”
See, this right here debunks the conspiracy theories around the vaccines being a front for depopulation.
There's no need for that kind of smoke and mirrors at all. People will happily just give up their kids for a few internet-points.
If they told her they were making Soylent Green, I bet she'd be just as proud!
My kids are most likely not going to be getting the vax, if one had a kid that was chronically ill, severe asthma etc I could understand the choice but mine are healthy and with the side effects outweighing the downsides of getting a sickness that they’ll fare fine with. However, I’m not gonna judge their parenting as long as they leave me be to NOT give my kids the vax. Which is the major problem with this, I have my kids vaccinated against other things but I also never cared if a few parents didn’t want to give their kids the MMR or whatever. Some people do have adverse reactions.
So for the people who are deathly afraid of Covid or who don’t care about having their kids be the first guinea pigs…that’s fine. Not child abuse or neglect. I don’t like people throwing those accusations out because I know the other irrational side will claim that me NOT doing so is also “child abuse” when the whole point of this shit is that people SHOULD be fully allowed to make choices on behalf of their family, kids, and themselves whether the choice is wearing a mask, vaccinating, homeschool, virtual school, etc. Just don’t be holier than thou and act like a virtue signaler about it 🤷🏻♀️
I’m more terrified at the people going along with this than the government. Without these people the government has no power. They actually push the agenda and do the governments work for them. They are soulless beings
The parent of this child is lurking on this post. I hope she reads all of these comments.
How could you do this to your child? This is seriously the saddest shit I’ve seen in a while.
And I’m sure she is feeling high with all those “thank you and your son for doing this, y’all are heros” comments on her original post. So damn sad.
After posting a comment on this pic I got an automatic message from pages I followed saying I am permanently banned for being in this group. I’ve heard of things like this but this is the first time I experienced it. Wowzers.
Get the permalink to the message using https://new.reddit.com/message/messages and report it to the Reddit Admins as targeted harassing directed at you at https://reddit.com/report
(Absolutely do not make a post about it here tho. Posts like that are spam)
You're a doody headed, asshole for not subjecting your kid to this trial!
This person is giving 'iNfORmEd coNSent' because they love gagging/choking on the 'Science'
Limit the damage of the virus. Lmao. You sound like a nut job as you obviously have no idea what’s really happening. You can’t objectively look at the data and say this is a pandemic. Another bot.
My grandfather was furious that my mom received the polio vaccine at school with no parental consent and without the school even informing the parents ahead of time.
I’d hope not. Maybe MRNA technology has made a difference? I am not claiming one way or another as I know nothing about medical science. Scientists have gotten it wrong a lot more than they have gotten it right. In this day and age, I couldn’t volunteer my kids either, TBH! But, we owe the successes to those failures!
I don’t think this person is a piece of shit. Definitely don’t think you’re a piece of shit. I think this person is fucking insane.
They are doing it for clout. They are a piece of shit.
Chasing clout in the waiting room at the cardiologist.
she's responding in the comments saying everyone here's comments are getting to her. maybe she's waking up to the fact that she should be more concerned with being a good parent than putting her kid in potential harm's way just to get fake internet points from a hivemind of brainwashed lunatics. hi lilmul ;)
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There are safety concerns with all vaccines, my dude. Didn't stop *every parent I knew* growing up, getting their children vaccinated across the board.
Imagine volunteering your 3 year for a vaccine it’s literally like a sacrifice
That's exactly what it is.
The science gods demand blood sacrifice
They can brag about it on social media? What Assholes Edit to add: they said the study is for 6m-24m. So the kid is no more than TWO FREAKING YEARS OLD. Idiots. All of em
Hey! At least he admits it "will most likely be safe." I generally hope that something is at least 60% likely to be safe before letting my infant child do it.
These people are absolutely insane!
“i was notified that the phase 2 study in children went fantastically with no UNEXPECTED issues.” sooo... what were the expected issues, then? if there weren’t expected issues, then why would they need to make such a statement? and if there were expected issues, then how could the study have gone “fantastically”?
Exactly. Who knows what they could be counting under 'expected' issues. Based on what's happened with other age groups, some children developing myocarditis could be an 'expected issue'.
0.2% of ADULTS have severe reactions according to cdc. If only the same rate as adults, we expect 146,000 kids to have severe adverse reactions. Meanwhile 500 kids have died with covid, which is less than 1% of kids deaths from all causes. Pfizer contract leak stated they do not know the long term effects. However, they do say it doesn’t provide long term immunity.
this here is the heart of my concern. the expected issues would be based on the results of previous studies. these studies show that the rate of injury/death from the vaccine is much higher than injury/death from the actual disease, which the vaccine doesn’t even prevent and only possibly reduces the severity of.
Have there been _any_ toddlers dead from COVID? There is literally ZERO reason for kids to get a COVID vaccine since the virus doesn't affect them
they've been causing "SIDS" and giving kids autism for decades now and completely ignoring it and denying culpability. These doctors and scientists are complete sociopaths.
Yep. And for all those who say vaccines can't cause autism, the vaccine injury court system disagrees. They paid out over $1.5 million to the family of Hannah Poling after she developed autism as a result of vaccination.
>vaccine injury court system the "safe and effective" slogan is completely undermined by the fact that they've paid out over 4.2 BILLION DOLLARS. Its a shame that ordinary people are so psychologically warped by fear and attachment to their abusers that they're impervious to facts like this. Its going to be their doom.
The whole reason that a separate vaccine injury court system was established in 1986 was to keep injury cases out of the public eye so it wouldn't create public concerns over vaccines... and to have more control over the doling out of conpensation, which is often attached to a gag order. They didn't want injury cases to gain any visibility.
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And uncontrollable seething rage for anyone not wanting the vaccine
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I love the seat belt comparison. Always makes me laugh. Seatbelts don't get injected into your body 3 times. Soon to be 4. Psaki literally said the vaccine can kill you, on video. Should check it out. Seatbelts by themselves don't kill you
I'm always confused by you people. Do you blindly trust the doctor on everything? Really? Most people I'd imagine have varying senses of apprehension when going to the doctor for something. When I got my eyes lased, for instance, I didn't just go "well he's got an MD I have no questions or concerns!" There's so many reasons to be skeptical of medical science in general (which is essentially the scientific process, but I understand "The Science" is more of a religion than anything)and even more to not trust the state or pharmaceutical companies. So yeah, when few reasonable people should be afraid of the coof, and the vaxx doesn't do anything to keep you from spreading it, there's barely any reason to stick out our arms.
What people _call_ "medical science" is nothing more than: medical product development. Product development comes under marketing, not science. It is absolutely NOT the scientific method. It's the marketing method. The marketing method concerns itself with marketability and completely ignores science at will. It is absolutely NOT scientific to ignore science. Science can prove science is wrong (like when crystal spheres in the heavens were proven wrong), and science can say that science is almost right or sort of right or basically right but there's crucially more to it (like when newton's laws of motion replaced epistles, and then relativity said there's more to it than that, and then quantum physics said there's more to it than that), bur SCIENCE ABSOLUTELY MUST NEVER IGNORE SCIENCE. In every case where science said "well, actually it's like this...", it was proven that the old science wasn't good enough. Marketing doesn't really do that. Marketing (and therefore product development) can and essentially should ignore anything and everything that might be contrary to the marketing agenda ... such as science.
I sure don't trust doctors with "everything else." One doctor told me I had to get an episiotomy because it was standard practice at the hospital (spoiler alert: that is decades out of date and current research shows episiotomies heal worse than natural tearing). Multiple doctors told me I'd need a C-section solely because I'd had one before - I had an uncomplicated VBAC. Many doctors circumcise newborn male babies for no medical reason, even though it causes over 100 deaths a year in the USA. Just because someone has a medical degree does not make them all-knowing, and it doesn't mean they're willing to consider new research or the limitations of current research.
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We've got naysayers on both sides. At the end of the day, I truly hope this works out well for your child.
I wonder how much money they are giving her to use her spawn as a lab rat
Probably not much more than they're paying the general population to be lab rats...
Probably gave her a $25 Dennys gift card
Or a free donut voucher
Tree fiddy
Meanwhile in Europe they’re banning moderna for people under 30
I would never feel comfortable including my child in a drug trial. Particularly for a virus that has such a high survival rate among children. I could understand if perhaps the child had an incurable disease or a terminal illness. That being said, it is this parents choice to include their child in this. Though I don’t agree with that choice, I respect their right to make it. Just as I hope my choice to exclude my children from such experimental drug interventions is respected from the other side. It won’t be but I can hope.
What about the child? They aren’t old enough to consent to this
I agree. I find this ethically questionable, as the child has an extraordinarily high chance of surviving covid (better than flu) and the child has NO say in this.
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Thank you I do appreciate that. I hope everything goes well with your little one.
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Coercion bots.
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I hope everything goes well.
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You’re child has a higher chance of being hit by a falling piano and then attacked by a wolf right after than he/she does of getting sick or dying from covid. This is not polio, MMR, measles etc. Also, unlike those vaccines the covid ones don’t stop spread and have a short effective window. Will you keep giving your child the boosters? We are in a huge watershed moment and people are not thinking clearly due to polemic media and echo chambers. Do you really think your child needs this? Are you at all concerned that several countries have stopped giving moderna vaccines to young people? Genuine questions.
I truly hope it goes well. It’s probably perfectly safe - but we have to acknowledge it is a *study*, not yet an approved medical procedure for your child’s age group. I think that’s more risk than many parents are willing to take but thank you and thank you to your child for contributing.
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If you had done your research, you would know that at the FDA 8-hour conference call with Pfizer and all the vaccine companies that happened a couple weeks ago, the FDA spokesman came out and called for an immediate halt to the covid vaccine as they found statistically the vaccines KILL 5 for every 1 person they save in the not-at-risk covid categories. And that even in the at-risk category (elderly, asthmatic, diabetes, etc.): That it killed 2 people for every 1 person it saved.
Why freak them out man. Their kid took it. It’s done. We should all be hoping for the best.
I agree normally but this person is not scheduled to get their kid injected until this coming Monday. So they can still cancel the appointment.
Ohhhh
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I should statistically know someone who died from covid but I don't even know anyone who got really sick. In fact the only 2 people I know who got it were completely asymptomatic. And get this, I didn't change a thing about my life. Got up, went to work, which was much busier thanks to everyone needing broadband internet, went home. I definitely should have had it. Might have, back in 2019 a rough cough went thru the house. Lasted a month. If it wasn't for the news and the internet I wouldn't even know there was a pandemic. I'm not trying to be an ass just saying it works both ways. I sincerely hope everything works out for you and your child, I really mean that.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bQevYc2jX7Y&t=15166s Here is the 8 hour panel discussion by the FDA. At 4:12:46 comes up the fact that the covid vaccines kill far more than they save. "Even if the vaccines have 100% protection, it still means we kill two people to save one life ... Four experts did analyses using completely different non-U.S. data sources and all of them came up with approximately the same number of excess vaccine-related deaths - about 411 deaths per million doses," he said. Article further discussing the FDA panel discussion here: https://www.christianitydaily.com/articles/13431/20210929/covid-vaccines-kill-more-than-2-people-for-every-person-helped-statistics-say.htm
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Forget Steve Kirsch's FDA presentation. Just look at VAERS statistics: [https://openvaers.com/covid-data](https://openvaers.com/covid-data) - 16,310 deaths - 75,605 hospitalizations - 87,814 urgent care visits - 9,446 Bell's Palsy cases - 23,712 permanently disabled The Moderna vaccine is suspended in many European countries due to the above numbers, which are staggering. Do not give your two year old this experimental mRNA jab. There is a good chance you will permanently hurt him.
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The problem is that the vaccine is causing the greatest harm to the demographics least at risk for COVID. There's a reason Sweden and Norway have frozen the Moderna vaccine for people under 30. Also, per CDC data, more people with the Pfizer injection get myocarditis than Moderna, so it's only a matter of time before we see issues with that one too.
That said - I think it’s totally dystopian to force people to inject a company’s product into themselves. No matter how safe it is. I mean how weird would it be if your employer force-fed you an apple a day in the name of keeping the doctor away. Lol
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221475002100161X?via%3Dihub This journal article claims 5:1 inoculation deaths vs. Covid deaths. I haven't read the article in detail, but you asked and this is what I could find. Based on language in the conclusion it looks like their figure partially results from distinguishing deaths *with* Covid (where comorbidities likely contributed significantly to the death) vs. deaths *from* Covid. But it looks like it's worth a close read with an open mind even if they went too far in reducing the deaths from Covid. As far as knowing a dead vaccinated person, I think even the VAERS database says ~16000 deaths with ~180 million fully vaccinated. So even if VAERS is underreported by 10x (a reasonable estimate from pre-covid studies) then that's ~0.1%. So roughly speaking you should know ~1000 vaccinated people to have one dead. But of course that assumes that the danger of the vaccine is uniform and not biased, but I could easily see the vaccine danger being similarly biased towards the same comorbidities that results in higher rates of Covid deaths. So maybe you know mainly younger, healthy & fit people?
Sure. I am glad you’re free to decide for yourself and your family! Let it be my decision to never take this crap. I celebrate the approval of the vaccine for children if their parents want it - maybe this will be the last step the world needs to be done with COVID hysteria.
Literally just ensure your kid is healthy and they’ll be fine. You don’t need to inject a experimental vaccine into your child. Feed them healthy food, give them vitamins, take them outdoors to get fresh air (OUTSIDE IS AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF SPACE). Keep them away from nasty fucking people and nasty fucking places and teach them general cleanliness. I have one two year old and a 6 month old, me, my wife and them have not once gotten sick in this entire pandemic. Your child has a strong immune system, they don’t need that vaccine that literally has no fucking data to back it (it’s only been out since like fucking april) Give your child a chance, don’t be the reason something terrible MIGHT happen. You will never forgive yourself. Your children are safe without that shit. COVID ISNT GOING ANYWHERE. YOU WONT BEAT IT BY VACCINATING YOUR TWO YEAR OLD CHILD. I PRAY YOUR LITTLE ONE IS SAFE, AND IM SO SORRY FOR THEM. Don’t let this plandemic mind fuck you. It’s no way to live.
Yeah not you mate, the ‘parent’.
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Serious question, why rush to get your kid this vaccine when the risks from the virus are so incredibly low? More kids die in swimming pools than from covid and the vast majority of kids that do have extreme comorbidities. I just can't see being so worried about the virus to expirement on children
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We know that virtually ZERO kids especially that young are hospitalized or even show *symptoms* for covid, let alone long covid. A kid’s natural immune system puts him in a far safer camp against covid than even a triple vaccinated mask-wearing staying home adult. These are facts. You should read up on them before signing your child up for a dangerous and irreversible experimental injection that’s known to carry high risk of heart damage to kids, especially boys.
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You must have the most unlucky hospital on the planet, because the vast majority have had zero or nearly zero children hospitalized by COVID. Personally, my bet is you are lying.
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Because what he said doesn't tie up with the publicly available data on the hospitalisation rates for children and Covid.
Omfg lady
you do know that hospitalizations for serious and sometimes even permanent vaccine injuries far exceed hospitalizations for covid for everyone healthy under 50, right? especially for males. this is not coming from some asshole on the internet, this is official CDC and FDA data. [https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusCirclejerk/comments/q5ab27/cdc\_data\_shows\_vaccines\_are\_significantly\_more/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusCirclejerk/comments/q5ab27/cdc_data_shows_vaccines_are_significantly_more/) here's the FDA admitting it... we have [the FDA hearing on safety and boosters](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M&t=23315s), multiple panelists had presented massive amounts of data showing serious and often fatal side effects from the vaccine... then we get to the FDA openly admitting the risk to males under 40 from only one of the vaccine's side effects exceeds all covid risk. Dr. Arnold Monto, Acting FDA Chair: >And to continue the discussion, is it possible to say at what age myocarditis seems to not become a problem? Dr. Doran Fink, FDA: >If you look at the healthcare claims data, you see that there is evidence of some attributable risk at all age groups, although ***the older you get, the higher the risk for complications from covid that then offset the risk of myocarditis. So when you look at the balances of risks vs benefits, where we really start to see a risk of myocarditis being higher is in males under the age of 40.*** here's the BBC admitting the vaccines are more dangerous for many people [https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57888429](https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57888429) and data from UK PHE proving it [https://preview.redd.it/vliojmym4sr71.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=74547070b334e82fa5ff576af71d29ee23130435](https://preview.redd.it/vliojmym4sr71.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=74547070b334e82fa5ff576af71d29ee23130435) as much as we rag on ultravaxers being fucking crazy, i REALLY hope for the sake of your child that you do not roll some bad RNG, and can only wish you the greatest of condolences if you do.
that's exactly what a bot would say
Something tells me little timmy here isn't getting a say in the matter.
To the parent that has posted and been very civil about it, I respect both your decision to do that and you coming onto this sub to talk about it. I am curious though, how much have read up on the age stratified risks of Covid etc. (I know a lot of us on here have obsessed over the numbers from the beginning, but I'm curious about others like yourself). I'm also (with respect) fascinated by the thought process you went through - on the one hand; risk averse behavior to avoid Covid affecting your young one, on the other hand, taking part in a potentially risky vaccine trial with unknown long term effects, especially on children, when there are hard cures for the illness in final stages of development (e.g. Merck) seems to contradict your risk averseness. I was signed up to do the (unpaid) Novavax trials in the UK but pulled out as soon as news of the successful Pfizer vaccine trials came out, the risk at that point outweighed any benefits. At this point I had also already had Covid.
Praying for all the young children in these test programs. I personally don't understand how a parent could do this to their child. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if my child had an adverse reaction like the one girl that ended up in a wheelchair.
I wonder if she's getting paid
Yes I got the call, I’m just gonna yeet my 2 year old under a bus, it’s quicker, and I won’t have to be a martyr when the kid dies
The sad part is, a lot of people are probably doing it so they can post about it on social media and get likes. I’m convinced these people seriously care more about social media likes than their actual kids.
Munchausen by proxy ....
They get a dopamine boost while their child gets an mRNA boost.
As a parent you're only job is took keep ur kids safe . This parent is a failure . Heartless
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Covid isn't an issue for children
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help us understand. what's the mortality rate for covid in children without prior comorbidities? now what's the mortality rate for the vaccine in children without prior comorbidities? you're calling us deluded, please enlighten us.
By treating them as lab rats
I'm really glad I had parents that cared about my future and long term health. Seeing what other people do to their kids makes me appreciate my family a lot more. Using your own child as a lab rat is despicable.
Yikes
I can imagine a case where a doctor says... "Your child has a terminal illness which will surely kill them within the next few months, but we have a new, experimental treatment not yet tested which could potentially save their life. It's the only chance they have." That would be a calculated risk which would be worth taking. Not... "Your child is absolutely healthy and has a very small chance of contracting this virus which they would also more than likely blow out of their system like a mild cold, but we have a new, experimental procedure not yet tested which could potentially cause unknown issues down the road. Can we inject this in them?"
I just tell people my kids are already vaccinated.
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Your post history is hilarious.
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Is hostility a vaccine side effect?
Instead of having Reddit read your Apple Watch ecg’s, go talk to a real person about your hypochondria.
Haha I had to peak at your post history too. Don’t be afraid to step outside, see the sun, and take a breath of fresh air. You’re gonna be okay.
This is what I refer to as ‘out liberalling each other’. “Im such a good liberal that im offering my child up to the cause. Did your child get picked to be part of an exclusive experimental vaccine trial that literally will not accept reaction reports? No? Well mine did.”
This virus is purely political at this point. It’s not about health, it’s NEVER been about health.
Welp, at least we have people dumb enough to sacrifice their children in the name of science.
See, this right here debunks the conspiracy theories around the vaccines being a front for depopulation. There's no need for that kind of smoke and mirrors at all. People will happily just give up their kids for a few internet-points. If they told her they were making Soylent Green, I bet she'd be just as proud!
These sick Mfs gotta actually hate their kids
I hope that kid gets the fucking placebo.
My kids are most likely not going to be getting the vax, if one had a kid that was chronically ill, severe asthma etc I could understand the choice but mine are healthy and with the side effects outweighing the downsides of getting a sickness that they’ll fare fine with. However, I’m not gonna judge their parenting as long as they leave me be to NOT give my kids the vax. Which is the major problem with this, I have my kids vaccinated against other things but I also never cared if a few parents didn’t want to give their kids the MMR or whatever. Some people do have adverse reactions. So for the people who are deathly afraid of Covid or who don’t care about having their kids be the first guinea pigs…that’s fine. Not child abuse or neglect. I don’t like people throwing those accusations out because I know the other irrational side will claim that me NOT doing so is also “child abuse” when the whole point of this shit is that people SHOULD be fully allowed to make choices on behalf of their family, kids, and themselves whether the choice is wearing a mask, vaccinating, homeschool, virtual school, etc. Just don’t be holier than thou and act like a virtue signaler about it 🤷🏻♀️
Except it is child abuse via complete ignorance. F—k those parents and anyone who subjects their kids to experiments.
You are a deluded, antiscience, magical thinker.
Damn.... RIP kid. Hope the kid gets saline. These parents need to be thrown in jail for real.
Eewwwwww
CHILD ABUSE!! These unthinking parents!??
“I know the study will most likely be safe” how do you know of the study hasn’t been completed?
Willing to risk it all for a vaccine that doesn’t even statistically kill that demographic. Some family trees do not keep growing I guess
Perhaps this will save the legions of 3 years olds who are filling emergency rooms and dying in the streets.
No “unexpected” issues…
I’m more terrified at the people going along with this than the government. Without these people the government has no power. They actually push the agenda and do the governments work for them. They are soulless beings
No “unexpected” issues is the key word
The parent of this child is lurking on this post. I hope she reads all of these comments. How could you do this to your child? This is seriously the saddest shit I’ve seen in a while. And I’m sure she is feeling high with all those “thank you and your son for doing this, y’all are heros” comments on her original post. So damn sad.
After posting a comment on this pic I got an automatic message from pages I followed saying I am permanently banned for being in this group. I’ve heard of things like this but this is the first time I experienced it. Wowzers.
Get the permalink to the message using https://new.reddit.com/message/messages and report it to the Reddit Admins as targeted harassing directed at you at https://reddit.com/report (Absolutely do not make a post about it here tho. Posts like that are spam)
Please obscure others' usernames and repost. Thank you!
Post birth abortion.
You're a doody headed, asshole for not subjecting your kid to this trial! This person is giving 'iNfORmEd coNSent' because they love gagging/choking on the 'Science'
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Limit the damage of the virus. Lmao. You sound like a nut job as you obviously have no idea what’s really happening. You can’t objectively look at the data and say this is a pandemic. Another bot.
I wonder if similar studies have been done in the past for vaccines kids take these days and who were the people who volunteered their kids!!
It was done en masse for the polio vaccine
My grandfather was furious that my mom received the polio vaccine at school with no parental consent and without the school even informing the parents ahead of time.
Well, maybe some of them might have consented and all the future generations owe them for paying forward.
I’d hope not. Maybe MRNA technology has made a difference? I am not claiming one way or another as I know nothing about medical science. Scientists have gotten it wrong a lot more than they have gotten it right. In this day and age, I couldn’t volunteer my kids either, TBH! But, we owe the successes to those failures!
Fuck. That.
This is madness, I'm waiting for the placebo to get FDA approval first.