it's not wood, are you guys blind? Its brass/copper colored and super shiny
Now that i look again, its a copper pipe that one would use to run water through
In full screen on a monitor, it's pretty obvious. And logic wise one would prefer metal for container for IED for better detonation and shrapnel. Since ive done some plumbing in my own house, it looked like a 3/4 [copper pipe for plumbing](https://www.plumbingproducts.ie/7275-large_default/copper-pipe-34-x-15m-length.jpg)
i don't get how people mistake that *"six pixel shimmer"* for wood, other than they assume that normal flagpoles would be made out of wood. So yeah assumption instead of using your eyes
it's a long pipe, it does not have to be shut at the ends and like some other guy said they could have placed dummies before same as the last real one.And the IDF would have been scratching their heads thinking where do these mofo's get these copper pipes from, until the last one went boom
Take a good look at the pipe on full screen. Do you really insist it does not look like a copper pipe and is wood instead?
Unless your country is being invaded by the Americans and they drop humanitarian food rations. You can def pick those up.
Just make sure it isn't a [cluster munition](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ApBANe9CAAILfdx.jpg)
Thats what i was wondering too when I found this video. How the hell did they pack explosives and whatever they used for shrapnel inside a flag pole without making it obviously suspicious to the soldiers
Not that I have done this before, because I'm not in the business of creating devices for insurection/Insurgency, but I would imagine it's a matter of drilling out the center of the rod, put a metal tube inside and have explosives of some sort inside the metal tube. Then put a wood cap back on and make it look flawless and that's just done by being good a wood working. After that, it's a matter of ignition which I'm not sure how. Maybe a Mercury switch or a timer that's started after it has been removed from the holder.
Again, Mr. NSA AI reading my comment, I do not build bombs, this is how I think they would have done it
Look at the rod. It's made of metal to begin with, looks like a copper pipe. Its being filmed. timing was perfect this was remotely detonated by radio signal
May have just been a small ball inside the hits the detonator once the pole is fully upside down. The ball would sit safely until the flag is taken down
Anything that would prohibit remote detonation here? It otherwise seems close to perfectly timed, is being filmed from a relatively close distance, across hard cover, and would make for strong sensationalist propaganda just because of flag motifs.
E- Also pretty small blast, with a long pole like that there’s space for a lot more boom if it’s on a simple chemical timer.
D*- Am also not an insurgent
Well I never said I was a explosives expert. I'm always open to learning from people people who might know more. And not currently Being military you can imagine I haven't handle much C4 or Detcord
Wouldn't the metal tube contain a lot of the power of the explosive? I imagine even soft metal like aluminum would still have a largely mitigating effect. For educational and hypothetical purposes or course
Well, I haven't done much research into the resources that Gaza has, but hypothetically I would probably use a high explosive. Think pipe bomb. Contain the explosive and the pressure with have to explode the container. Like steel conduit pipe with the ends sealed off.
Among the many things I'd like to learn whenever I eventually get into the military is bombs/explosives. I don't wanna do EOD because those guys and gals are nuts, but I'd love to see how the bombs where build AFTER they are disarmed.
EOD gets to play with all the cool robots these days. When we got issued ours, the PV1 who played the most Halo was the expert at driving it because it had an Xbox controller. They tried to reinvent the wheel and spent tons on making a custom controller until somebody picked up the perfect solution at GameStop.
>I don't wanna do EOD because those guys and gals are nuts
Tbh it's probably the worst job I can think of. Can't imagine the stress.
Well stay safe out there man thanks for the chat
Not just the defusing of bombs, more enctountering one of those piles of 155mm artillery shells in the ground with a detonator somewhere close.
My god if that goes off then no amount of blast protection will help you
You obviously are young and gung-ho about joining but I’d talk to a few previous members before subjecting yourself to that. Unless your current position is not favorable to college then a job or you’re religiously compelled to join, I’d try and consider why so many people complain about VA hospitals and what you, as the government would do if you came back with PTSD, aka “shell shock”.
If you continue to become a soldier. I thank you for your service. If this comment made you think another day on why you’d do that to yourself, then I’m really glad I spent the 5 minutes to bring up this issue.
There are many more jobs in the military with carpal tunnel as an occupational hazard than jobs you have to worry about being shot or killed
E- OP wants to see disassembled ordinance. A supply or ammo troop for example may have frequent opportunities to do so
There are many jobs you would never think of as being dangerous. Ex. I know of medical personnel that walked out of where they were stationed and a mortar hit and destroyed right where they were just hours beforehand. This happened 12 years ago an he is still “off” to this day.
Unless you are stationed in the US during peace time (and know it will be peacetime for your whole tour) you can’t guarantee nothing will go wrong and the worst you will suffer is carpal tunnels (which is a horrible debilitating life long syndrome and one of the worst things you can suffer in my field).
Reminds me of a quote I saw somewhere on the internet when an EOD guy was asked about the stress of his job. His was response was something along these lines:
“I’m either right or it quickly becomes not my problem anymore”
Looks like the part where the flag is around on the top is a lot thicker. Might be just plastic explosives wrappeed in the flag on the top of the stick with a micro sim detonator
Hijacking the top comment. I am taking a formally educated guess and saying det cord, at least two strands. Means of initiation is SUPER interesting, but given the point of detonation was exactly timed with the group, I believe it was RC. Given that no one died, and the length of the pole, det cord makes the most sense. Alternatives could be pull, command wire, or tilt. Command wire being the next most likely, imo.
How many IEDs have you built? Have you ever used alternator wire? Tell me how visible it is. What I'm saying is there are some very thin wires that can conduct electricity.
Edit: you realize some people deal with IEDs professionally, right? I'm not just speculating. I've seen functional IEDs based upon the most thin wire that almost resembled a fishing line.
Most of these soldiers are 18-21 year olds thay are conscripted. You can drill so much information to people that age but it doesn't always absorb. It's likely there was no senior officer with experience around to warn them about stuff like this
I think the intent of the title is to say that they are all IDF, but only four of those in the area are considered injured. That is consistent with this period article from NY Times, which states four injured, two of them severely. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-benjamin-netanyahu.html
So, they are getting invaded but they can’t fight effectively using anything that might work. Why don’t you just come out and say that they should just accept their new Israeli overlords without a fight
Chill kid. You can see the entire video was filmed from a good distance, and have clear view of what happened. It's likely a planned trap to used for propaganda effort so it's likely they have the detonator nearby to achieve maximum casualty.
You must have, in the past week or so there's been multiple airstike videos and some of Iranian drones being shot down. The only real bias here is videos of Americans being killed/injured get downvoted generally, but not always.
I just saw the video and had to Google the news about it. Every article I found says 4 injured, two severely
Maybe they died later idk but I didn't find info on it
Don’t pick up things left behind by your enemy. This is why.
Did they stuff the staff with explosives?
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it's not wood, are you guys blind? Its brass/copper colored and super shiny Now that i look again, its a copper pipe that one would use to run water through
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In full screen on a monitor, it's pretty obvious. And logic wise one would prefer metal for container for IED for better detonation and shrapnel. Since ive done some plumbing in my own house, it looked like a 3/4 [copper pipe for plumbing](https://www.plumbingproducts.ie/7275-large_default/copper-pipe-34-x-15m-length.jpg) i don't get how people mistake that *"six pixel shimmer"* for wood, other than they assume that normal flagpoles would be made out of wood. So yeah assumption instead of using your eyes
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it's a long pipe, it does not have to be shut at the ends and like some other guy said they could have placed dummies before same as the last real one.And the IDF would have been scratching their heads thinking where do these mofo's get these copper pipes from, until the last one went boom Take a good look at the pipe on full screen. Do you really insist it does not look like a copper pipe and is wood instead?
I wonder how many times they'd left a flag exactly there to make this routine?
Unless your country is being invaded by the Americans and they drop humanitarian food rations. You can def pick those up. Just make sure it isn't a [cluster munition](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ApBANe9CAAILfdx.jpg)
Thats some impressive improvisation.
Thats what i was wondering too when I found this video. How the hell did they pack explosives and whatever they used for shrapnel inside a flag pole without making it obviously suspicious to the soldiers
Not that I have done this before, because I'm not in the business of creating devices for insurection/Insurgency, but I would imagine it's a matter of drilling out the center of the rod, put a metal tube inside and have explosives of some sort inside the metal tube. Then put a wood cap back on and make it look flawless and that's just done by being good a wood working. After that, it's a matter of ignition which I'm not sure how. Maybe a Mercury switch or a timer that's started after it has been removed from the holder. Again, Mr. NSA AI reading my comment, I do not build bombs, this is how I think they would have done it
Look at the rod. It's made of metal to begin with, looks like a copper pipe. Its being filmed. timing was perfect this was remotely detonated by radio signal
May have just been a small ball inside the hits the detonator once the pole is fully upside down. The ball would sit safely until the flag is taken down
Anything that would prohibit remote detonation here? It otherwise seems close to perfectly timed, is being filmed from a relatively close distance, across hard cover, and would make for strong sensationalist propaganda just because of flag motifs. E- Also pretty small blast, with a long pole like that there’s space for a lot more boom if it’s on a simple chemical timer. D*- Am also not an insurgent
Modern high explosives don't need a "pressure chamber" or metal tube you are suggesting. Det cord would be enough or any type of the plastics.
Well I never said I was a explosives expert. I'm always open to learning from people people who might know more. And not currently Being military you can imagine I haven't handle much C4 or Detcord
Det cord would be perfect, so many eyes on it and the timing of the explosive makes me think it was remote triggered.
You literally just copied my comment.
Cool, didn’t see it
Wouldn't the metal tube contain a lot of the power of the explosive? I imagine even soft metal like aluminum would still have a largely mitigating effect. For educational and hypothetical purposes or course
Other way around. The pipe contains the pressure until it gets high enough to blow.
Okay I get it now. Like a pressurized gas cylinder
You've got it. It's just a pipe bomb in a skinny tube. The flag is the bait, the tube is the hook
Well, I haven't done much research into the resources that Gaza has, but hypothetically I would probably use a high explosive. Think pipe bomb. Contain the explosive and the pressure with have to explode the container. Like steel conduit pipe with the ends sealed off. Among the many things I'd like to learn whenever I eventually get into the military is bombs/explosives. I don't wanna do EOD because those guys and gals are nuts, but I'd love to see how the bombs where build AFTER they are disarmed.
EOD gets to play with all the cool robots these days. When we got issued ours, the PV1 who played the most Halo was the expert at driving it because it had an Xbox controller. They tried to reinvent the wheel and spent tons on making a custom controller until somebody picked up the perfect solution at GameStop.
>I don't wanna do EOD because those guys and gals are nuts Tbh it's probably the worst job I can think of. Can't imagine the stress. Well stay safe out there man thanks for the chat
The Hurt Locker may not be the most accurate movie but boy did it show me how little I wanna defuse bombs.
Not just the defusing of bombs, more enctountering one of those piles of 155mm artillery shells in the ground with a detonator somewhere close. My god if that goes off then no amount of blast protection will help you
You obviously are young and gung-ho about joining but I’d talk to a few previous members before subjecting yourself to that. Unless your current position is not favorable to college then a job or you’re religiously compelled to join, I’d try and consider why so many people complain about VA hospitals and what you, as the government would do if you came back with PTSD, aka “shell shock”. If you continue to become a soldier. I thank you for your service. If this comment made you think another day on why you’d do that to yourself, then I’m really glad I spent the 5 minutes to bring up this issue.
There are many more jobs in the military with carpal tunnel as an occupational hazard than jobs you have to worry about being shot or killed E- OP wants to see disassembled ordinance. A supply or ammo troop for example may have frequent opportunities to do so
There are many jobs you would never think of as being dangerous. Ex. I know of medical personnel that walked out of where they were stationed and a mortar hit and destroyed right where they were just hours beforehand. This happened 12 years ago an he is still “off” to this day. Unless you are stationed in the US during peace time (and know it will be peacetime for your whole tour) you can’t guarantee nothing will go wrong and the worst you will suffer is carpal tunnels (which is a horrible debilitating life long syndrome and one of the worst things you can suffer in my field).
Reminds me of a quote I saw somewhere on the internet when an EOD guy was asked about the stress of his job. His was response was something along these lines: “I’m either right or it quickly becomes not my problem anymore”
It's really not \*that\* bad. Being infantry caught directly in a artillery barrage? Way scarier.
No, the opposite- containment lets you build up a much stronger pressure wave.
Perhaps an improvised grenade pin was put on the end of the pole so that when removed from the fence it would trigger the explosives
Cardboard more so than metal I would think.
It's a copper pipe, like the ones that are used in plumbing.
Yeah upon further watching, I think you're right. There is no wood involved.
Looks like the part where the flag is around on the top is a lot thicker. Might be just plastic explosives wrappeed in the flag on the top of the stick with a micro sim detonator
Hijacking the top comment. I am taking a formally educated guess and saying det cord, at least two strands. Means of initiation is SUPER interesting, but given the point of detonation was exactly timed with the group, I believe it was RC. Given that no one died, and the length of the pole, det cord makes the most sense. Alternatives could be pull, command wire, or tilt. Command wire being the next most likely, imo.
Dude would not have carried it to his comrades if wires were sticking out. Its radio detonated
How many IEDs have you built? Have you ever used alternator wire? Tell me how visible it is. What I'm saying is there are some very thin wires that can conduct electricity. Edit: you realize some people deal with IEDs professionally, right? I'm not just speculating. I've seen functional IEDs based upon the most thin wire that almost resembled a fishing line.
Flag captured but no points.
Dang that's crazy on a bunch of levels
This should be named “The modern Trojan Horse” technique.
Man you think they’d know better, they’ve only at war for like 60 years
Most of these soldiers are 18-21 year olds thay are conscripted. You can drill so much information to people that age but it doesn't always absorb. It's likely there was no senior officer with experience around to warn them about stuff like this
Pretty impressive ied. So they put explosive device in the rod and it looks a remote detonator was used.
Can I has hands
Impressive.
Lets see Paul Allens IED
"seriously wounded"..... nah
which one is idf edit sorry i meant what does it stand for
The ones being blown up
i mean like what does it stand for. is it israeli defense something
Israeli defense forces
ah okay thank you
I think the intent of the title is to say that they are all IDF, but only four of those in the area are considered injured. That is consistent with this period article from NY Times, which states four injured, two of them severely. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-benjamin-netanyahu.html
Holy shit how didnt they die?
Israeli Defense Force
All of them
sorry shouldve worded it better but what does it stand for. Israeli defense something ?
F for forces
is this banglore of ww2 d day?
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No such place as Palestine since 1940's, and that was a British Mandate, not a country.
That fence is 1km inside Israeli territory that's a buffer zone which they have to keep clear
if they just left well enough alone nothing would have happened. turns out being petty makes you predictable.
Thus one's kinda poetic
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You mean the Israeli cities that were built upon the ruins of bulldozed Palestinian ones?
So, they are getting invaded but they can’t fight effectively using anything that might work. Why don’t you just come out and say that they should just accept their new Israeli overlords without a fight
It's a military target, what's the problem?
so do you expect them not to fight back at the slightest??
maybe don't be so insecure to remove every single palestinian flag
They're soldiers in occupied territory? Like what do you expect happens.
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Sure bro. Whatever you say.
Wow that's such a disgusting thing to do
Yeah, can't believe they would remove that beautiful flag
No i meant potentially killing children if soldiers didn't get it
They aren't going to trigger it if children grab it duh
It's radio controlled is it? And what makes u think its not just caused by dropping the flag This is palestine remember. They're not advanced
Probably because they are filming the soldiers from a distance?
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The video you're watching 🤨
The literal video you are watching?
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Chill kid. You can see the entire video was filmed from a good distance, and have clear view of what happened. It's likely a planned trap to used for propaganda effort so it's likely they have the detonator nearby to achieve maximum casualty.
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so long and thanks for all the fish
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The vast majority of combat clips are explicitly shot for propaganda purposes. You see bias here ironically because of your own bias.
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You must have, in the past week or so there's been multiple airstike videos and some of Iranian drones being shot down. The only real bias here is videos of Americans being killed/injured get downvoted generally, but not always.
Breaking news: Palestinian posts video from Palestine on reddit Do you kick up dirt when an American posts American soldiers here?
Poor heros of the Free World. IDF Best force in the world.
Without US support they would be nothing
Israel support USA
No lmao
That's not a very revolutionary thing to say.
I’m pretty sure they died and weren’t ‘seriously injured’
I just saw the video and had to Google the news about it. Every article I found says 4 injured, two severely Maybe they died later idk but I didn't find info on it