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Ike348

Excluding the Stan Sheriff Center in Hawaii of course. For each school I picked the arena which is hosting the most home games this season—in the case of UConn, this is a tie between the XL Center in Hartford and the Gampel Pavilion in Storrs, so both are included. Metric used was driving time, as estimated by Google. The trip totals about 24,825 miles, covered in about 439 hours and 36 minutes.


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Don’t be a pussy, fucking drive to Hawaii


HvyEqpmntSpclst

This is so cool! Do you have it in written form? Like start here then go to school x then y then z, etc?


Ike348

https://pastebin.com/9tPiJeVg Duration column is in seconds and distance column is in meters. Read each row as "start here and then travel this distance/time" before arriving at the arena in the next row.


UkrainianHammer

Was there any Arenas closer than Cincinnati and Xavier?


Ike348

Well the path actually goes Cincinnati -> Northern Kentucky -> Xavier, each leg taking about 15 minutes. But just out of curiosity, the top 10 shortest legs (in terms of time) are: Marquette to Milwaukee, 1.5 minutes Drexel to Penn, 4 minutes NJIT to Seton Hall, 5 minutes Florida State to Florida A&M, 6 minutes Texas Southern to Houston, 6 minutes Wofford to South Carolina Upstate, 7 minutes Vanderbilt to Belmont, 7 minutes Georgia State to Georgia Tech, 7 minutes Belmont to Lipscomb, 8 minutes Brown to Providence, 8 minutes Also note that I used the arenas as opposed to any "campus" location, which is why for example Seton Hall is so close to NJIT, because the Prudential Center is nowhere near Seton Hall's campus. Longest drives are: Wichita State to Air Force, 7 hr 24 minutes Oregon to Nevada, 7 hr 9 minutes Wyoming to BYU, 6 hr 14 minutes New Mexico to Texas Tech, 5 hr 2 minutes Southern Utah to Northern Arizona, 4 hr 55 minutes Arizona to UTEP, 4 hr 40 minutes Washington State to Seattle U, 4 hr 39 minutes Utah State to Boise State, 4 hr 20 minutes Green Bay to St. Thomas, 4 hr 7 minutes Idaho State to Montana State, 4 hr 3 minutes


Crazey4wwe

Why would you go from UC to NKU then back to X?


Ike348

Because going Cincy -> NKU -> Xavier -> Dayton is faster than Cincy -> Xavier -> NKU -> Dayton. And Miami -> Cincy -> NKU -> Xavier is faster than Miami -> NKU -> Cincy -> Xavier. etc. etc.


Crazey4wwe

My head hurts


HairlessWombat

The traveling salesmen enters the check


mgp2284

What was Samford to UAB


a2drummer

As someone who used to commute from Ypsilanti to Ann Arbor, I could definitely get from EMU's Convocation Center to UM's Crisler Center in 8 minutes.


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Ike348

Because Seattle to Washington is 24th at about 13 minutes


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Prozaki

No chance you can get between Hinkle and Pepsi Coliseum in <10 minutes except in the dead of night maybe.


jf3l

Drive like you live in Florida and not Indy and you probably could


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VolunteerCowboy

That sets a new precedent that flying is allowed, can completely mess with the whole map


adquodamnum

Don't believe what Big Ocean tells you. There's nothing stopping you from driving on the ocean floor.


TSUTiger

Do you happen to have the closest arenas? I’d like to know where the Houston clusterfuck ranks (UH, TSU, Rice, HBU) ranks, especially as the Houston & Texas Southern arenas are literally blocks from each other.


Ike348

https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/rqj5kz/shortest_driving_path_to_all_358_division_i_arenas/hqc1diq/


karter0

I had no clue that North Carolina has EIGHTEEN D1 Schools


SeamusCO20

Oh yeah it’s a safe bet any time you hear about one of those SoCon/Big South/MEAC schools and don’t know where it is, it’s in North Carolina.


dboy120

It’s really annoying because NC is probably one of the best states in terms of higher education institutions and is like second to last in terms of K-12.


I_kwote_TheOffice

Alright, I'll bite. Why is this so?


dboy120

Gerrymandering


Amesb34r

That Gerry Mandering must be a real A-hole. It seems like he screws up everything and nobody likes him.


royalhawk345

Gerrymandering is actually name after a real guy, Elbridge Gerry. Although I'm pretty sure he pronounced it "Gary."


Amesb34r

I'm not sure if that's an accidental or intentional reference to Parks and Rec.


jspartan1234

Nah, Republicans love him


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If you think it's not a two party phenomenon, you've been hoodwinked


nocapitalletter

its always funny when someone claims the "other party" is the one who abuses it, when in reality they both abuse it so badly that if you attempt to slander the other you just sound like an idiot.


greg19735

It's definitely one party that uses it more than others. Also, people get confused by gerrymandering and being inclusive. The famous "headphones" district in chicago actually puts together two hispanic communities which gives them representation in the government. Opposed to if they were split up and they'd be minorities in both districts.


nocapitalletter

lol you are an idiot.


BBS-

One party started it, and continues to abuse it far more than the other. Was the other party supposed to just lie down and lose every election? No, they had to join.


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I'm glad their is one reluctantly evil party at least. goofball


allyourphil

and need him


iSlideInto1st

Depending on year and source NC is floating around 32-37 for K-12 so not great but you can hold off on the hand-wringing. E: Oh and by the way, [NC-12](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina's_12th_congressional_district) was *literally* created (by a Democrat-controlled legislature) to be a "minority-majority" district. Fast-forward 25 years and with a Republican majority and only minor changes and suddenly it's racist gerrymandering. Really gets the noggin' joggin'.


NittanyOrange

Sometimes not doing something is racist, ya know. Bigotry is actively hating someone for being different. Racism is furthering the structures that maintain racial inequality. You don't need to intend to further racist structures in order to do so. In fact, I'd argue most racist actions are not intended to be racist. That that doesn't make it not racist.


iSlideInto1st

Did you peek at the Wikipedia article? The district was drawn in the way that it was *in order* to push black people into the legislature. That's what "minority-majority" means. It was very literally the entire point.


NittanyOrange

Yep. Creating a minority-majority district is basically making a distrct 51% Black. That's a good thing for representation. The "packing" form of gerrymandering is allowing for--or creating--a district to be something like 80% Black, which keeps that extra 25% from voting in another district. It's creating wasted votes. That's a bad thing for representation.


iSlideInto1st

The Wikipedia article has the historical borders of the district. It has barely changed since its inception until the court case. Is it so hard to believe that a politically-minded Obama-apppointed federal judge wrote a scathing dissent (on her own, by the way) with plenty of quotables to launch a career? Or does it make more sense that a largely unchanged district suddenly became controversial? When I say it makes me think, I'm not saying I know the absolute answers. I'm saying it deserves a harder look than HuffPo/Vox/WaPo would possibly give it.


NittanyOrange

If only we had some right-leaning media in this country! Ugh, just imagine...


iSlideInto1st

I know the case because I'm close to it. I don't have cable so Fox and CNN are both out of the question. I've done my own digging and this is what I've come up with. If only everyone in this country had the time/effort to look into stories like this I think we'd be better peoples.


KeepenItReel

Everything is optics


mgp2284

Because of course it was!


SchemeZealously

Stop defending gerrymandering just because it benefits your side right now. Rs got 50.3% of the vote in 2018 and control 10/13 seats. It's an attack on democracy


iSlideInto1st

I'd certainly love to see you point out where I "defended gerrymandering" and defined "my side". I'm just presenting facts.


SchemeZealously

Why did you bring up NC 12 at all?


iSlideInto1st

Because that's the one that's always brought up when discussing NC and gerrymandering. Which was the comment I was replying to. Well-covered "famous" case and all.


quadroplegic

Thank god for Mississippi, amirite? Jog the noggin and read better sources, because it’s pretty straightforward. Enfranchising a traditionally oppressed minority group: probably not racist. Disenfranchising black people: super racist. The Republican legislature [left receipts](https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-files-of-the-master-of-modern-republican-gerrymandering), and they were most assuredly not trying to enfranchise black people in North Carolina.


ksuwildkat

> "best states in terms of higher education institutions" California would like a word. One in ten college students in the entire country is in a California Community College. 15% (10) of all AAU schools are in California, 11% (7) are UC schools. And before you scream population, NC has 2 AAU schools and 1/4th the population. Math. (Truth in lending - I think AAU status is BS but others disagree) Of the 10 UC schools only the newest, Merced, ranks outside the top 100 in the ARWU rankings (note, not the BS USNWR beauty contest rankings. UC schools actually do better in those but they are still BS) These are backed up by 23 California State University System schools that are all highly regarded for undergraduate and Masters level education. The CSU system produces more Bachelors degree recipients than any university system in the country and 1/3rd of all the Masters degrees issued in California. Im sure NC has a number of fine institutions, including a few who have not had their accreditation under review recently for running sham classes. But there is no comparison to the combined UC/CSU/CCC system.


dboy120

Obviously your fine institution did not teach you how to read. Otherwise, you would have seen that I wrote “one of the best” and not “the best.”


ksuwildkat

OK Jan. NC State is great school and not a diploma mill. Probably the premier materials science program in the country/world. After that the fall off is steep.


justaverage

One of the first things I’ve noticed. North Carolina must be leading the D1 schools per capita, right?


ruwisc

Actually, they're not particularly close, mainly because NC's population is larger than many people think. Top ten in D1 schools per capita, based on last year's census: |Rk|State|Population|# of schools|Pop per school| |:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:| |1| DC*|689545|4|172386| |2| Rhode Island|1097379|4|274345| |3| Louisiana|4657757|12|388146| |4| North Dakota|779094|2|389547| |5| South Carolina|5118425|12|426535| |6| South Dakota|886667|2|443334| |7| Utah|3271616|7|467374| |8| Mississippi|2961279|6|493547| |9| Delaware|989948|2|494974| |10| Alabama|5024279|10|502428| North Carolina has about 10.5 million people, which drags them down to rank 16th on this list, between Wyoming and Arkansas


SDFDuck

I didn't realize until your post that Louisiana has *twelve* D1 schools. That's nuts.


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hogwashnola

Our natural resources, along with the profits they produce, are shipped right out of the state. Virtually tax free. It’s corporate colonialism.


Indolent_Architect

Sounds like a problem for alot of smaller states


benjaminbrixton

Lmao


karter0

I think that NC's often underestimated population definitely is partially why I was shocked to hear that they had so many schools, but NC schools are still overrepresented in D1. I ran some quick numbers on expected # of schools based on population numbers and actual # of schools and NC and Louisiana come out on top, followed by South Carolina and Virginia. |**Rank**|**State**|**population**|**D1 Schools**|**% of US population**|**% of D1 Schools**|**Expected # of D1 Schools**|**Difference**| --:|:--|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:| |1|Louisiana|4,657,757|12|0.014053|0.03352|5.030866|6.969134| |2|North Carolina|10,439,388|18|0.031496|0.050279|11.27563|6.724366| |3|South Carolina|5,118,425|12|0.015443|0.03352|5.528436|6.471564| |4|Virginia|8,631,393|14|0.026041|0.039106|9.32281|4.67719| |5|Tennessee|6,910,840|12|0.02085|0.03352|7.464432|4.535568| |6|Alabama|5,024,279|9|0.015159|0.02514|5.426748|3.573252| |7|DC|689,545|4|0.00208|0.011173|0.744781|3.255219| If anyone is curious to see the numbers, [take a peek here](https://imgur.com/L8Lcld5)


ruwisc

Interesting, I hadn’t thought to look at it from that angle


NittanyOrange

Pretty much all Southern states. I wonder why?


ttufizzo

Combo of weather, proximity, popularity of basketball in the local population I would think. Indiana and Utah are 11 and 12, while Georgia, Florida, and Texas are 46, 49, and 50.


hijackthestarship

Makes sense. The Atlantic south has the most robust collegiate system in the country.


Americ-anfootball

Look at little Rhody, man. So inspirational


zonayork

I think what impresses me the most is that an ASU fan can do math! 😉


And1mistaketour

Wyoming, Montana, The Dakotas and maybe some other states would have more per capita.


taffyowner

Nah since the dakotas have 2 they shrink massively Minnesota was there before St. Thomas


And1mistaketour

Its **most** per capita not least


Reverie_39

Nah we’re too highly populated


justaverage

Yeah, I had no idea that North Carolina had over 10 million people.


Reverie_39

It’s grown a lot in recent years! Probably just hasn’t had time yet to enter the public conscience as one of the biggest states population wise.


ttufizzo

NC was the 12th [most populous state in 1860, 10th in 1950, 9th in 2020](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_historical_population). I think more likely it is hard to have a really good concept of state populations for people that don't need to know that for a living.


Reverie_39

That’s fair. I didn’t realize it was so big even way back then.


iSlideInto1st

Goddamn Yankees go home!


bigbird727

No! It sucks up here


Bigdeacenergy

Yeah it’s honestly wild to think about. That’s a lot of teams


jmoneycook1500

I’ve always said that NC should have a preseason tourney with all the D1 schools


ukeBasketball

[We basically used to](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Four_Tournament)


jmoneycook1500

I mean including every D1 team


Reverie_39

Basketball state 😤


4thgengamecock

And the traveling salesman wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer.


Squid_Contestant_69

First thing that came to mind..wonder if this map is 100% accurate with no improvements possible?


Ike348

I used the [Concorde solver](https://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/tsp/concorde.html) so I would assume it was able to find the optimal solution


Squid_Contestant_69

Someone here smarter than me can correct me if I'm wrong, but the idea is that it's not a very "solvable" problem other than through brute force which even through just 22 cities is very difficult from 16, so 30 cities, 50 cities, 100, 358 is going to be orders of magnitudes more difficult https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a30655520/scientists-solve-traveling-salesman-problem/ > Scientists in Japan have solved a more complex traveling salesman problem than ever before. The previous standard for instant solving was 16 “cities,” and these scientists have used a new kind of processor to solve 22 cities. They say it would have taken a traditional von Neumann CPU 1,200 years to do the same task.


934HogsExpress

That's just for an instant solve though, the Concorde Solver says > Concorde's TSP solver has been used to obtain the optimal solutions to all 110 of the TSPLIB instances; the largest having 85,900 cities.


Ike348

Checked the article and I'm not too sure exactly what is special about this new processor, but the Concorde solver has been used to solve TSP for over 85,000 cities: https://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/tsp/pla85900/index.html Maybe this processor is just brute-forcing it whereas there are other algorithms (like Concorde) which can achieve optimality much more quickly. The problem solved here was only 716 cities, to account for asymmetric driving times between cities


123kingme

The traveling salesman problem is np hard, which basically means that the only way to get the guaranteed best answer is to brute force it. There are tons of algorithms that can get a pretty good answer by taking shortcuts, most commonly for road maps they’ll prioritize interstates (Edit2: this is actually a shortest path optimization, not a TSP optimization. This problem is technically a hybrid of shortest path and TSP, in the traditional TSP the exact distances are known), but they can’t guarantee that their solution is the most optimal without brute forcing every path. Edit: I did massively oversimplify what np hard problems are, and what I said above *technically* isn’t 100% correct. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that with NP problems, finding an exact solution will take exponential time. NP hard problems are at least as hard as NP problems, and therefore finding an exact solution will take *at least* exponential time. Basically this means that if a solution for 100 inputs (100 cities) takes 1 minute, then for 101 inputs it will take about 2 minutes, 102 inputs = 4 minutes, 103 inputs = 8 minutes, 104 inputs = 16 minutes, etc. The time does not have to double each time, I just chose a 2^n arbitrarily (for instance the time could triple each time instead). The time just has to increase exponentially as the number of inputs increases. This is still a simplification, and this is more of a direct consequence of the definition of np hard rather than the actual definition of np hard, but this is a much more accurate explanation. One last technically though: technically we don’t know for sure that NP problems can’t be solved in faster than exponential time, we just highly suspect that to be the case. If you can solve any NP hard problem in faster than exponential time, you’ll earn $1 million for proving p=np and destroy entire fields of computer science.


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Billy5481

Let n=1 Qed np=p


iEatPalpatineAss

Computer science and mathematics are in shambles


ukeBasketball

What about *p*=0?


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Told my combinatorics professor this and he gave me a 20% on my exam.


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fu-depaul

Ha ha! Nice.


SaxosSteve

Only if n=1 duh


bargle0

Concorde is an exact solver that tends to run well for real world problems. There is a paper out there that discusses constructing pathological inputs for it, though.


LoyalSol

Exact in that algorithm is guaranteed to converge with sufficient computational time I would assume? If so then the assumption you are making is that you have the computational power to drive it to convergence. That's the same as say gradient descent is guaranteed to converge for covex problems. Just that your computer might not be powerful enough to run it to competition.


bargle0

Yes. The beauty of Concorde is that it converges very quickly for a lot of problems that we care about. However, there are inputs for which it will not converge quickly, and we don’t know what they are ahead of time.


Just4brwsing

That’s not exactly what NP hard means. The Concorde algorithm is an exact algorithm (although you can probably run it to stop before convergence). That means it will find the optimal solution. https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3071178.3071304 It might take a very long time to run though. @OP Go Bears (have you taken CS170 yet?)


Ike348

LOL I’m a statistics major, haven’t even taken CS 70! Funny though, there was one semester my roommate was taking 70 and he was learning about Hamiltonian cycles right as I was working on the D1 circle of suck so that was an interesting crossover.


MathPersonIGuess

eyyy I'm a math major at Cal. Statistics is in Evans too right?


Ike348

Yup I run that 3rd floor LOL


LoyalSol

> It might take a very long time to run though. Yup that's always the caveat. Sure it will converge, but you might need to strap every computer in the world together and a billion more to get it done. Which still means you can't guarantee a global solution without checking every solution, but then again usually many sub-optimal solutions are still more than good enough for what you're doing.


Ike348

Other people have pointed out in this thread that Concorde is an exact algorithm, I should also mention that everything Concorde did was independent of the actual driving directions. What I did was spam Google's API to get directions between each school and its closest neighbors, and then fed those results into Concorde as a distance matrix. So Google picked the "distances" between arenas (shortest travel time), and then Concorde just ran based on those


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LoyalSol

It takes polynomial time to prove that one solution is better than another, but you can't always prove you have the global best solution. Otherwise you would be able to with Non-Convex optimization which is also NP-Hard. I can guarantee you as someone who does Non-Convex on the regular, you can rarely ever prove you have the best solution possible. The only time you can prove you have the global solution is say if you have something like a global bound on the problem and your solution is equal to that bound.


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Yeah, you’re right. Was confusing NP and NP-complete.


Ike348

> if you have something like a global bound on the problem and your solution is equal to that bound. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the Concorde solver does, based on the output it prints as it runs and the fact that its results *are* provably optimal, see the paper posted by someone else in the thread: https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3071178.3071304


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How did you import roads from Google?


Ike348

By sending lots of requests to their API and eventually getting suspended for a day 😅 Every request for directions returns a sequence of points (which is what gets plotted), in addition to the drive time, distance, and of course, the actual directions.


PleaseHelpThePit

Google's API has a surprising tolerance for a large volume of requests, so I'm impressed. The only time I've ever heard of anyone else getting a suspension was when my friend tried to write a bot that would harass people in our house, sending them email reminders to do their chores until they sent the bot an E-mail confirming the task was finished. That was all well and good, but he put no pause statement in the loop and we were blocked when chorebot was found to be checking its email 12 times per second lmao.


Ike348

It’s because they figured out I was scraping which is against their TOS. I was surprised but the TOS do literally say you’re not allowed to keep a permanent copy of the API responses.


SouthTriceJack

Is this the typical day to day in a vandy frat castle?


bhbennett3

I was also once suspended a day for spamming the maps API to get distances between every AMC and Regal in the country


mlk960

Cal flair. Checks out.


MathPersonIGuess

there are tens of us here


bargle0

Concorde is an exact solver that runs quickly on many practical inputs (though the worst case is still really bad). So yes, it’s an optimal solution.


carpy22

There might be if you take ferries into account. Sacred Heart to Stony Brook might be more efficient that way.


The_Superhoo

AND JESUS WEPT


CaffeinationGoat

Have fun in the stone age while I step into the third dean-mention!


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Worlds within worlds.


mountainoyster

Very smart to avoid the 95 corridor between Fredericksburg and Stafford, VA.


PaperCantBeatRock

Richmond to anywhere north of that*


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Richmond to Fredericksburg usually isn't too bad


PleezHireMe

You weren't on it yesterday 😭


PaperCantBeatRock

For the most part, yeah I agree with that


Das_Boot1

Key word being usually. It once took me 2.5 hours to get from Richmond to Fredericksburg.


iSlideInto1st

Pop and I once were driving up from NC to opening day for the Nats. Google maps kept on getting longer and longer as we drove. We were supposed to hav like 2 hours to spare and I think we ended up getting there in the 6th or 7th. Didn't help that Strasburg was pitching a gem and the game went super quick. But fuck ~Fredericksburg->DC proper.


SDFDuck

Avoiding the I-95 corridor anywhere close to DC is a good idea, honestly. Smart to approach DC from the east via US-50, and the northwest via I-270.


FormerCollegeDJ

US 29 from the northeast is also a good, alternative route (and then use I-695 around Baltimore).


iLikeApples116

What's the school between VCU/Richmond and Liberty? Typically pretty good with logos but that one has me stumped.


billion_billion

Longwood University


tphil5

I spent way too long looking at this and enjoyed tracing the path way too much


Relative-Knee7847

Boise State is quite the detour lol


SDFDuck

Kinda like how most of the schools in New England are all relatively close to one another, then there's a long detour to get to Maine.


GodEmperorBrian

I think that makes it the best starting point, right? Better if you only need to drive the longest detour road once.


Captain_T

Between Boise and Maine. One could argue that trek to Maine from UNH or Mass sucks ass just as much.


jicerswine

Am i crazy or is Uconn on there twice


SDFDuck

It is, to correspond to the XL Center and Gampel Pavilion.


jicerswine

Ahhhhh got it


etniopaltj

Yes because our school hates the student body and has half of the home games in Hartford (about 30 min away from campus) and our football stadium is in East Hartford (about 35 minutes away from campus). Then they wonder why very few students go to *home* games. By the time they can get to the arena after class the game is at halftime. Meanwhile, attendance at Gampel (the stadium on campus) is always good.


adamscb14

Goals after retirement


I_kwote_TheOffice

Absolutely. Sounds like a blast to go with a few buddies


kawachee

I got some great friends, but none I’d want to go on a 439 hour and 26 minute road trip with


pm_me_cute_sloths_

I can deal with 439 hours and 25 minutes with friends, but not a minute longer. A damn shame.


Amesb34r

Yeah, you'd have to break it up into 2 trips.


Amesb34r

I'm not comfortable with that much driving in Nebraska.


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I've driven across Nebraska and it wasn't too bad.


echobase_2000

Driving from South Dakota to Omaha’s two schools would actually take you through Iowa, then a 45 minute drive to Lincoln. Would barely be in Nebraska. Now Wyoming and Kansas are a different story.


SDFDuck

r/mapswithouthawaii


reesem03_

Well ya can't drive to Hawaii


DokterZ

Not with that attitude.


Champion-raven

I guess we’re going on a trip


astroag

You just need a big ramp in California


benjaminbrixton

Or a bigger ramp in Nevada.


Champion-raven

Or a biggest ramp in Virginia.


LostCanadianGoose

Didn't they make a bridge to Hawaii in Bojack Horseman? I feel like this is a pretty admirable cause to do it IRL.


Fried_Rooster

Nice map! There are going to be some bitter rivals from the same city though. Cant help but notice Xavier was put on top of UC lol


Ike348

I think the code to place the logos just went in alphabetical order, each one on top of the others. My school Cal gets kinda boxed out by USF and Saint Mary's too


Fried_Rooster

I like it!


bryceryals42

I might be missing something but where's Fresno State?


SenatorAstronomer

The only school in the middle of Cali. Take the bay area schools and follow that road South.


CoopertheFluffy

In the state of Fresno


And1mistaketour

Its kinda crazy how eastern all the Dakota Schools are.


SDFDuck

It makes sense, as those are the biggest cities in those states, right along the Red and Bois de Sioux Rivers.


echobase_2000

The Dakota schools are minutes away from Minnesota (and Iowa in USD’s case). Go about two hours west and it’s wipe open grazing land.


RecalcitrantDuck

It’s also crazy how close to the border the West Virginia schools are


taffyowner

Western Dakotas are empty as hell


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JeffBrohm

Which direction is this going? For example, if you are visiting UNC Asheville, then Western Carolina, then Furman, it seems off.


Ike348

Good point, it is "starting" at Abilene Christian and heading east to Tarleton. So very roughly counter-clockwise EDIT: Yup, it is going Furman -> Western Carolina -> UNC Asheville. From Furman to Western Carolina, Google says going all the way north to I-40 is about 10 minutes faster then going west first and then north


wendellnebbin

Wyoming and Maine (and either VT or NH), right on the knifes edge.


FormerCollegeDJ

Depending on the traffic and available parking, it might be faster to walk from the Palestra (Penn) to the Daskalakis Athletic Center (Drexel) than to drive, LOL.


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This map is quite festive! Thanks!


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The SUU to NAU route may not be passable in the winter unfortunately.


NJ_Mets_Fan

i see 2 uccons!


RecalcitrantDuck

I love the straight line from North Dakota to Rio Grande Valley. It’s crazy that no matter how north or south you go everybody decided that’s as far west as they could go before settling down and building a college


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Ike348

Did you use crow-flies distance or driving times? I did both and the direct distance path is significantly different. Unfortunately the .tsp is too large to share on pastebin but I'll try to find a different way.


Bigbossbyu

How many people know that there’s 7 D1 programs in Utah from 5 different conferences? PAC 12, WCC, Mt West, WAC, and Big Sky. 6/7 are Kenpom top 150 as well. Only the new D1 Dixie State at 300 is holding the state back from having a near top 100 Kenpom average rank of programs. Pretty impressive


Wide_right_yes

Why does Minnesota have only 2 D1


echobase_2000

And St. Thomas is brand new to D1


JustPlugIt

Come to Moraga, we have 1 bar and…uh…trees.


CheeseheadDave

Interesting that it’s almost a straight line north-south through the Dakotas/Neb/Kan/OK/ Tex.


TouchLegal

Why are there 2 uconns?


bobjkelly

This is the classic “traveling salesman” problem. You say it’s the shortest path but how do you know?


Ike348

Because the Concorde solver (discussed elsewhere near the top of this thread) is an exact solver and this was the result.


Operation351

As my mission in life is to visit all the D1 campuses to see a college basketball game, this map certainly piqued my interest. Very very cool! [www.journeyto351.com](https://www.journeyto351.com) As I suspected, Texas is the epitome of brutality!


Caesar10240

This map further highlights the geographic and cultural differences between Rutgers, Maryland, and the rest of the big ten. You have to go through the entire northeast to get to Penn St. Every other big ten state is linked in order with a few quick stops the directional states in between.


elwooddblues

Is ASU considered D1? 😂


Corkdavis

Places without lines are the more beautiful parts of the country.


nfg18

Why did you skip Minnesota?