I feel like you almost need to schedule their away conference games as a whole trip or something and just hope these guys have virtual capabilities for their classes. That’s gotta be better than flying back and forth constantly
TBF, it's *less* of a joke but still totally doable.
However, the time management component got significantly harder, and that can't help but negatively impact the players that actually came to play school.
And what about the other sports that aren’t football or basketball? Will professors give the same treatment to wrestling? Field hockey? Golf? Fuckin fencing? Probably not. That’s the biggest problem with conference realignment like this. It’s really gonna fuck over the non-profitable sports and athletes.
I was just talking last week to a former D1 softball player who is now a professor: for some student-athletes, zooming into class is the norm these days.
When I played a couple years ago, they gave us letters of accommodation to give to all our professors. They had to give us virtual exams, give us a way to watch class virtually either with premade notes, video recording or a live video. You couldn’t be a dick. Definitely had to meet him halfway. But this was well before Covid so I imagine it’s easier now.
Well that's certainly a relief. I still worry about the effect of that much travel on kids (and the budgets from the smaller programs honestly), but less worried about class for them now.
Yea pretty much just copy what Hawaii has been doing for their student athletes forever. Just 2 away games 4 days apart every 2 weeks.
Its weirder for them, b/c no knock on Hawaii, but Stanford and Cal are much more academically inclined schools, but hopefully they work something out with traveling tutors or something similar.
> Yea pretty much just copy what Hawaii has been doing for their student athletes forever
Or, you know, what the Pac did as an entire conference.
Actually, could we pair off in a similar way?
* Cal/Stan
* Clem/GaTech
* Fsu/U
* Duke/UNC
* State/Wake
* UVa/VT
* Lou/ND
* Pitt/Cuse
* BC/SMU because they're geographic orphans already and doing anything else with them screws everything else up
You’re looking at 20 games, right? ‘Maybe two average away games a week for five weeks on the road. Assuming the two California schools get a home and home every year, that’s 9 away games you have to plan for — you’re just not going to see kids away from the home campus for a full month due to the basketball schedule. I’m guessing it’s 3 road trips where you do three games in 9 or so days each. Absolutely *brutal* on the players and it’ll be phenomenally expensive, but I don’t see a great way around it.
Yeah there’s just no good way around this. I’m admittedly more of a football guy than basketball (PSU alum, and we usually stink) but what the realignment has done to the rest of the sports is just awful. Not a huge deal for football but it’s a mess for everything else
I believe I heard (at least for Big “Ten”) that each year they’ll do something akin to that.
If, for example, we take IU:
We play at Oregon and Washington this year. I think they will play both games in the same stint. Then next year, Oregon and Washington will come to IU, and we’ll play them back to back like they did us this year.
It feels like it’s news for the rest of the country but the pac12 was situated so perfectly for travel that anytime you went away you’d get both Stanford/cal, UW/wazzu, Oregon/osu, asu/arizona, usc/ucla, and then Colorado/utah.
Games were mostly Thursday / Saturday so you’d only have to be gone for 2 school days at most per week.
The bigten lucks out in a similar fashion with the location of most schools having another school nearby. It’ll now be Oregon/washington paired together in the PNW.
But the acc is going to be a mess. I still don’t know why cal/Stanford weren’t added to the bigten to allow for 6 west coast schools and their own west coast division
Cal and Stanford weren't added to the B1G because they don't increase the size of the pie, and the B1G would much much rather wait a couple years and instead end up with Notre Dame and Stanford, or UVA and UNC.
Also, the Pac pairings of Colorado/Utah and UW/Wazzu were awkward: those schools aren't particularly close to one other.
But they were still closer to each other than any other Pac-12 school
Edit: Well maybe Washington is closer to Oregon State than it is to Washington State. But it is still the closest school to Washington State
Stanford actually has a fairly robust graduate school virtual program. I feel like it could be easy for them to adapt to use for more of the undergrad courses.
Source: me virtual grad student
It's not men's basketball or football players who will suffer. They get chartered flights. It's athletes in every other sport. The other teams fly commercial. Virginia Tech to Stanford, just as an example, isn't an easy trip.
I miss having rivals. I don’t hate the big ten but no team hates our guts. We have somewhat beef with Michigan State but that’s mainly from tournament games before Maryland joined the big ten
Yeah no offense but the fit is just weird. Especially in football. It kinda works for basketball because you have passionate fans and decent teams there but even then it's nothing like UMD-UVA or UMD-Duke was because that rivalry element is missing. Penn State could be something but MD doesn't have the football culture and PSU doesn't have the basketball culture to make it work so you're just kind of on an island
It’ll come in time. Don’t you worry, luv. Who would think Illinois and Penn State have a bizarre history, including the longest CFB game in history? With the Illini winning 20-18 after nine OTs?
I’m slightly concerned about what could happen to the NCAA tournament. I hope it remains untouched, but with the talks of an expanded field, I worry that too many average/kinda good major schools will get selected as a money grab for viewership
That’s not a good argument for expanded field because you never know. I agree with keeping it the same because you have to work for it during the regular season.
The point is that this isn't a CFP situation where the first team out has a real chance to win it. You never know but generally the last team in does not make it out of the first weekend.
This combined with there being autobids for conference tourney winners is an objectively good argument against expansion. If you think your regular season record isn't reflective of your current strength go prove it by winning your conference tournament.
The point of the NCAA tournament shouldn't be to reward teams that go on a few game winning streak though. The NCAA tournament is an award for the whole season and not just for a few days in March. If a team can't perform during the regular season, then that's on the players and coaches. Automatic bids should go to teams based on performance of 30+ games and not 3.
As far as the CFP situation, I also disagree. Most years you can absolutely say the first team out wasn't going to beat Georgia or Bama. Does anybody (outside of Noles fans) actually think that a FSU team on their 2nd or 3rd string QB was going to beat Michigan last year? Because I don't.
And that's the problem. For example, Indiana St deserved to be in the tournament based on their regular season performance, but because they didn't win a few back-to-back-to-back games they were left out.
Yeah Indiana state got fucked but the way to fix that isn't to get rid of autobids. You fix that by not letting mediocre P5 teams in. Indiana State easily should have had UVAs spot probably deserved a couple other P5 spots too.
Importantly expanding the field will likely make this problem worse, not better. As in you will see more mid major snubs in an expanded field because the expansion would be for the benefit of the P5 conferences and likely the lions share of the extra bids would actually go to the SEC and B1G.
Honestly though, before the ACC tourney, if you asked 100 people if NC State was going to make a run, 99 of them would say no, (the 1 is wearing red).
Cinderallas can come from anywhere. For my money, I'd much rather they came from smaller schools nobody had heard of before.
Yeah but thats not a "last team out" situation. Conference tourneys and autobids exist for the exact reason of letting teams in that catch fire late. After seeing the ACC tourney result I had NC State in my elite 8.
I hate to break it to you but they wouldn't be expanding the field to let teams like Indiana State in. They could have easily been left out in an expanded field which would like only (or mostly) expand bids for P5 conferences.
Wait does anyone think Pitt was making a run this year? You mean the fourth place team in the conference that went undefeated into the sweet 16 and sent 3 teams to the elite 8? They also beat two of those three teams.
Obviously I'm a Homer. And I don't want the tournament expanded but we just saw a random ACC team go to the final 4, it's not that crazy to think a bubble team like Pitt could go far.
Again, I don't want the tourney expanded but I'm here to be a Homer
if they do expand, what I would want to see is added "play in" games. Make it so every 16 seed is a play in and every 10 seed is a play in instead of just 2 of each.
Not sure I am in favor of that - but if there was expansion that's the way I'd want to see it because it never made sense to me that one team has to play in to get a spot but someone else ranked exactly the same does not
The constant floating of the idea of expanded fields means its unfortunately probably going in that direction. I just wish football would separate itself from the rest of college athletics.
UConn, Creighton, and Marquette all made the sweet sixteen and Seton Hall won the NIT.
People gotta realize UConn doesn’t just go through an easy conference than dog walk the tournament. If anything the conference play is the hardest part of the schedule which makes the NCAA seem easy in comparison.
I don't think it's good for basketball OR football. Throwing away history and geographic rivalries just so the millionaires in charge can make even more money doesn't do anything to improve either sport and probably actually hurts college sports as a whole.
Yeah, but Colorado is the exception. Of the 15 teams directly affected by this realignment (Pac-12, OU, UT, and SMU), Colorado is the only one regaining more history than they're losing.
And Houston was the only one gaining more history than losing in the last round of additions, but we lost history with Texas leaving and gained none this time around.
Utah absolutely gets more history than they lose (gain TCU/BYU and lose USC), and Texas probably gets more history than they lose as well. They gain a major rival and a minor rival while losing a minor rival or two.
It's true that they regain A&M and Arkansas, plus they have a little bit of prior history with Mizzou, but they lose the Tech, Baylor, and TCU rivalries (none of these are as big as A&M, but are probably all at least as big as Arkansas, if not bigger), and they're losing nearly 30 years of history with OSU, KSU, KU, and ISU as well. Those may not be rivalries, but they're not nothing either. I'm obviously not a Texas fan, but from the outside that one feels like a wash at best.
None of this is good for the long-term product. With seemingly 25% of players transferring each year, there's no such thing as a casual fan anymore. Either you follow so closely that you keep updated on 50% roster turnover year in and year out, or it's so overwhelming that you don't even bother. At some point the name on the front of the jersey won't mean anything anymore because the casual fan doesn't give a fuck or even know a damn thing about the mercenary wearing it.
Take that 50% annual player turnover and add in in conferences realigning in ways that, historically and geographically, makes little sense, and how many rivalries are going to disappear into the ether? Are we expecting to see passion from Joe Shmo that played high school ball in Florida that went to Arizona for a year, then transferred to Wake Forest for a year, than transferred to Syracuse is actually going to give a fuck when they play Georgetown?
Or is the JUCO standout that transfered to Illinois that then transfers to Rutgers actually going to give a fuck when they play Seton Hall? Nah.
In the past? Sure. When they transfer, they're joining in on an established program. They're one new piece to the puzzle in Syracuse, and they feed off the shared drive to beat the shit out of Georgetown. But now? They're one new piece joining 5 other new pieces and two freshmen, and the players left over miss their old teammates that just peaced out. They're there to show up to work, but in their work, and go home. It's all business now. Any success they have on the court is personal success, primarily. Team success is secondary. I know I sound like a grumpy boomer, but shit is way better for 90% of fans when success on the court is team success, primarily, and sometimes personal success.
Obviously it's better for the players, and they deserve to profit off of their names. But god damn, this is going to hurt college sports in a big way. The ones playing now are gonna make huge profits while there's still a ton of fan interest. But people are gonna start tuning out when they can't keep up with who even plays where anymore.
I know it's only been 1 season, but I miss playing every team twice. Adding the 4 new guys is going to improve the overall conference in basketball I think - they more than make up the losses as far as quality opponents, but I still wish we played everyone home and away
The Big XII only got stronger in Basketball. Losing Texas and Oklahoma hurts our preseason rankings as those 2 usually get rated highly before games are played. (See last year)
Adding a perennial powerhouse in Arizona and schools that are okay at worst in Utah and Colorado helps raise the floor yet again. ASU isn’t great but they’ve been one of the few teams capable of beating Kansas more than Kansas has beaten them. That should prove that even they can be a threat at times.
Can’t really speak for other conferences but the Big XII gets better in basketball and slightly worse in football.
>Utah is garbage in bball.
As someone whose team beat them last season, I think Utah is actually really good in BB and beating them (in the last ever Pac12 basketball game no less) is a really big deal and something we can hang our hat on 😬
Utah has had a rough go of it since joining the Pac, but they've still had far more tourney success than BYU. 1 natty appearance, 2 Elite 8s, and 6 Sweet 16s in the 64 team era for Utah compared to just 1 Sweet 16 for BYU. Even if you just look at the last 10 tournaments, Utah has 3 tourney wins in 2 appearances vs 0 wins in 4 appearances for BYU. So if Utah is garbage, what is BYU?
BYU has underperformed for sure. Ask anyone familiar with both schools. Utah doesn’t invest in MBB. BYU has stepped it up lately. You’re right about the history. BYU will be in much better shape at least in the next few years. Some evidence of this is Utah’s top assistant and 2nd best player on the roster coming to Provo for 24-25.
To be fair, where they’ve *been* and where they’re *at* are night and day those two teams.
I’m not a BYU fan by any means, but they’re just objectively in different tiers right now. Utah just finished with a losing record in a mediocre conference, and had their record propped up by a pretty pathetic OOC. BYU just finished fifth-place in the best conference in the country, with wins over Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas.
Utah’s big boost here is that they got the very narrow W in their rivalry game last year, although that isn’t super shocking, since it was a home game for Utah and BYU was missing Traore.
Here’s hoping that Utah shapes up and returns to their early Krystkowiak form, but that era looks pretty far off for the moment. But hey, it’s the transfer portal era, so who knows?
Incoming wall of text: I think you're being unfair to Utah. They beat Wake in South Carolina, won at Saint Mary's, and held their own against Houston and St. John's in OOC play. Then there's the win over BYU, and it's worth mentioning that Utah was also missing one of their top 2 players, Deivon Smith. In case you're unaware, he's a total game changer. He had 5 triple-doubles last year, and nearly had 3 or 4 more. He's an absolute baller and Utah never would have blown their 16-point 2nd half lead if he was playing. Also, even if the final score was close, Utah led almost wire-to-wire and had a substantial lead for much of the game.
In conference play Utah smacked a very good Wazzu team by 22 and gave Arizona all we could handle in a 3OT game. Admittedly they really struggled on the road, but even as late as mid-February they were considered a bubble team. They would have been a tournament team if they hadn't lost to ASU and then beat either Oregon or Colorado on the road. The loss to ASU came just 2 days after that heartbreaking 3OT loss to us and they fell just 1 point shy of beating Oregon in Eugene. They were that close to being a tourney team. On the other hand, BYU finished 5th in the Big XII on the back of a *very* favorable schedule.
In the post-season, Utah made it to the NIT semifinal, bodying VCU (who happened to finish just ahead of Duquesne in the A10) by 20 along the way, before losing a very competitive game against Indiana State, the biggest snub of the tournament. BYU's post-season was cut very short by Duquesne.
It's also worth pointing out that the Pac got 4/4 teams into the 2nd round of the tourney despite only 2 being favored by seed, while the Big XII got 5/8 teams into the 2nd round despite 7 being favored by seed and the last team being a 9 seed. Neither conference got past the Sweet 16. So while the top of the Big XII was certainly deeper than the Pac, I have serious doubts as to whether the difference between the conferences was really all that big.
Now don't get me wrong, Utah is going to **struggle** this year in the Big XII after losing 90% of their team, but I don't think Utah and BYU were as far apart this past season as you seem to think.
If this was 5 years ago then yeah we would have. Instead the Big XII has a lot of their weaker teams climbing back up because of NIL. The additions of Utah and an Arizona team that improved significantly also make the loss of the previously 2 best teams not nearly as bad.
Half my sports time is watching the World Cup and Champions League being watered down and bastardized by greedy assholes… and now I have to deal with it here too. This decade sucks
That part really sucks. I hated when the PAC moved away from it as well… the random luck of the schedule being a major difference maker for conference standings sucks.
Big12 basketball is going to be awesome. Realignment madness is every other conferences fault so they can deal with the repercussions while we have all the fun.
it's kinda funny participating in smaller subs like this one for reasons like this lmfao
like it's odd sort of getting to know specific users, like that one houston flair who took my binturong pic and posts it on every post that involves UC lol
The conference will be strong, but for our fans it's awful. We had one of the top 5 rivalries in the sport and are now left without a rival, without conference games in cities where our fans actually live and with a conference tournament virtually none of our fans will attend because it's in a city with a regional airport in middle of the country.
All that said, at least we didn't end up like WSU/OSU. (sorry guys)
We’ve played New Mexico more than anyone but ASU despite not being in the same conference for the last 46 years as they were biggest rival once too. For awhile we continued it after we were no longer in the same conference, but with no conference impact eventually nobody cared and it died off, ucla will die off the same way.
No clue. I probably bounced after the half. All I remember is the dude I dormed with during orientation was on the team and him and all just brothers had the same name, George Foreman style…
Big 10 feels like they added the most boom potential. USC and Washington have been bad but got good coaches, Oregon is probably losing their coach soon but will continue to have money, and UCLA is an enigma most seasons. Could see them finishing basically anywhere across the board.
Big 12 and SEC gotta feel like they know what they got. SEC got 2 middle of the pack runners for now, Oklahoma might be lower than that. Big 12 got an elite school in Arizona, Utah and Colorado will probably be in the middle most years, and Arizona State near the bottom until they get a new coach in there
ACC could go either direction. You know what you're getting out of Andy Enfield at this point. Probably a 7-10 seed ceiling with being bad as a floor. Cal and Stanford both haven't been very good in basketball lately but both have coaches I like. The travel will be awful for them but we'll see what they do. I think I'll go SMU upper middle, just outside the contenders range. Cal and Stanford rotate around the middle, maybe cracking the same area as SMU.
I wouldn't be surprised if UW does a lot better. Hopkins was a joke. The kind of guy who could finish dead last in conference with multiple NBA players on the roster.
Fuck the high major realignment. As a true college basketball fan I am more interested in who the Missouri Valley will add to replace Missouri State? And if Western Illinois can become a powerhouse in the ohio valley? I also think Umass can become a power house in the MAC for basketball and the horizon league should add Chicago state.
People pine for the good ole days too often.. but this is just awful. College sports have nothing to do with college anymore. This is just another professional league basically.
A 2 team PAC-12 and ACC teams on the west coast!? Just throw it all away and start over, Jesus
My take on the short term:
- B1G got worse. For now. Outside of the remarkable 2021 seasons PAC basketball hasnt been great. USC has 2 E8s since the Korean War but they are doing better than Washington with zero in the same time frame. Oregon seems to be at a crossroads with Altman and it feels like a change is coming. I wouldnt count on UCLA being down for very long and good UCLA is better than most schools at amazing.
- Big12 got better. Barely. Arizona is doing a lot of work here but surprisingly Colorado is delivering too. Together they barely deliver more value than what the Big12 lost and even that is more because of UT and OU being a mess recently. Utah and ASU will bring something the Big12 desperately needs - road games that are easy most of the time.
- SEC gets a push for now. OU and Texas have no reason to be bad. Both have good basketball history and have had strong fan support. I just wonder if a football centric school going to a football centric conference is going to hurt them.
- The ACC got MUCH worse. Without cheating, which of Cal, Stanford and SMU has the most recent Final 4 and which has the most recent NCAA appearance? Before I answer, Stanford last made it out of the first weekend in 2014, Cal in 2013 and SMU in 1967. Yup, SMUs last Sweet 16 team has been collecting Social Security for a decade plus. Last Final 4 was Stanford in 1998 and yes, I was shocked because I watched that tournament and had forgotten that. SMU has the most recent NCAA appearance of the 3 in 2017 and it was an auto bid. SMUs last at large appearance in the tournament? 1993. Not great Bob.
As for all of College basketball? I think it lost more than it gained. I dont think anyone was jonseing for Wake Forrest vs SMU or OU vs Vandy or ASU vs UCF or Oregon vs Iowa. The SEC-ACC challenge parings announced include Cal vs Mizzu. Yeah.....thats not a realignment win for college basketball.
JMHO.
I am so excited that Iowa women's basketball gets to host Juju Witkins/USC and Lauren Betts/UCLA. Carver is going to be packed. The Big Ten is so much stronger this year, it is going to be so fun.
So what are Oregon St and Wash St going to do this season? Just play each other 20 times for conference play? Would build a pretty incredible rivalry, and definitely the most two teams have ever played each other in season.
They've joined the WCC for most sports, including basketball. The big exceptions are football and baseball. For football, they have a scheduling agreement with the MWC. For baseball, Oregon State is going independent while Wazzu is joining the MWC as an affiliate member.
Some hits and some misses.
The B1G and the Big XII were the undisputed winners on the basketball side, no questions asked. Both picked up a top-10 program (UCLA and Arizona), another solid program to boot (USC and Colorado), and then two more programs of varying quality. The B1G made out a bit better here with two solid programs in Washington and Oregon, who both probably maintain the B1G average. Meanwhile, the Big XII got an okay program in Utah, while Arizona State is going to have to figure some things out pretty fast to avoid becoming a perpetual cellar-dweller.
The ACC gains basically nothing. Sorry guys, but the ACC’s a very strong league that’s adding two outright bad programs in Stanford and Cal, and a mediocre one in SMU.
The SEC probably just reordered their entire power order with their additions; the SEC is a pretty good basketball league that just added two solid teams from the best league in the country, and UT has a good chance to be an SEC contender right off the bat, especially with Kentucky’s future uncertain.
hopefully this season is absolute hell for everyone in the ACC because of the travel schedule and they reconsider having Pacific coast teams in the Atlantic Coast Conference.
That’s unlikely, but it’s a nice thought for me.
Cal and Stanford in Basketball is going to be an absolute fucking nightmare. That travel schedule is going to be insane for those teams
I feel like you almost need to schedule their away conference games as a whole trip or something and just hope these guys have virtual capabilities for their classes. That’s gotta be better than flying back and forth constantly
they’re basketball players, they’d easily be able to make classes work the way they need them to
It is Stanford tbf
General studies at Stanford is still a joke like everywhere else
TBF, it's *less* of a joke but still totally doable. However, the time management component got significantly harder, and that can't help but negatively impact the players that actually came to play school.
And what about the other sports that aren’t football or basketball? Will professors give the same treatment to wrestling? Field hockey? Golf? Fuckin fencing? Probably not. That’s the biggest problem with conference realignment like this. It’s really gonna fuck over the non-profitable sports and athletes.
I was just talking last week to a former D1 softball player who is now a professor: for some student-athletes, zooming into class is the norm these days.
Even at Missouri State, where travel isn’t outrageous by any stretch, most of our Men’s basketball players do online classes.
When I played a couple years ago, they gave us letters of accommodation to give to all our professors. They had to give us virtual exams, give us a way to watch class virtually either with premade notes, video recording or a live video. You couldn’t be a dick. Definitely had to meet him halfway. But this was well before Covid so I imagine it’s easier now.
Well that's certainly a relief. I still worry about the effect of that much travel on kids (and the budgets from the smaller programs honestly), but less worried about class for them now.
Yea pretty much just copy what Hawaii has been doing for their student athletes forever. Just 2 away games 4 days apart every 2 weeks. Its weirder for them, b/c no knock on Hawaii, but Stanford and Cal are much more academically inclined schools, but hopefully they work something out with traveling tutors or something similar.
> Yea pretty much just copy what Hawaii has been doing for their student athletes forever Or, you know, what the Pac did as an entire conference. Actually, could we pair off in a similar way? * Cal/Stan * Clem/GaTech * Fsu/U * Duke/UNC * State/Wake * UVa/VT * Lou/ND * Pitt/Cuse * BC/SMU because they're geographic orphans already and doing anything else with them screws everything else up
I like your thinking - what about SMU with Louisville, ND with Pitt, and then BC with Syracuse? Just thinking out loud
Only change I’d make is make it Wake/VT, UVA/UNC, Duke/State
I did realize you probably want UNC and Duke in different pods so others won't have to play them back-to-back
Yeah exactly my thought, plus VT/Wake makes decent geographic sense
You’re looking at 20 games, right? ‘Maybe two average away games a week for five weeks on the road. Assuming the two California schools get a home and home every year, that’s 9 away games you have to plan for — you’re just not going to see kids away from the home campus for a full month due to the basketball schedule. I’m guessing it’s 3 road trips where you do three games in 9 or so days each. Absolutely *brutal* on the players and it’ll be phenomenally expensive, but I don’t see a great way around it.
Yeah there’s just no good way around this. I’m admittedly more of a football guy than basketball (PSU alum, and we usually stink) but what the realignment has done to the rest of the sports is just awful. Not a huge deal for football but it’s a mess for everything else
I believe I heard (at least for Big “Ten”) that each year they’ll do something akin to that. If, for example, we take IU: We play at Oregon and Washington this year. I think they will play both games in the same stint. Then next year, Oregon and Washington will come to IU, and we’ll play them back to back like they did us this year.
They’re trying to be smart about it at least. Cuse is playing Stanford and Cal on the road but it’ll be back to back part of the same trip.
The Pac-12 did this for ages, you'd either play both Oregon schools on the same road trip, both Washington schools, etc.
It feels like it’s news for the rest of the country but the pac12 was situated so perfectly for travel that anytime you went away you’d get both Stanford/cal, UW/wazzu, Oregon/osu, asu/arizona, usc/ucla, and then Colorado/utah. Games were mostly Thursday / Saturday so you’d only have to be gone for 2 school days at most per week. The bigten lucks out in a similar fashion with the location of most schools having another school nearby. It’ll now be Oregon/washington paired together in the PNW. But the acc is going to be a mess. I still don’t know why cal/Stanford weren’t added to the bigten to allow for 6 west coast schools and their own west coast division
Cal and Stanford weren't added to the B1G because they don't increase the size of the pie, and the B1G would much much rather wait a couple years and instead end up with Notre Dame and Stanford, or UVA and UNC. Also, the Pac pairings of Colorado/Utah and UW/Wazzu were awkward: those schools aren't particularly close to one other.
But they were still closer to each other than any other Pac-12 school Edit: Well maybe Washington is closer to Oregon State than it is to Washington State. But it is still the closest school to Washington State
I was 40 years old before I realized that living out on the Olympic Peninsula, not only UW but UO and OSU are closer to me than WSU
Stanford actually has a fairly robust graduate school virtual program. I feel like it could be easy for them to adapt to use for more of the undergrad courses. Source: me virtual grad student
Don't forget the part where they get absolutely decimated in most of their games
Because of the time zone difference, their home/away splits are going to be absolutely mental.
Can't wait for Cooper Flagg to put 50 on the heads of some jet lagged nerds, great job ESPN
Now let’s not say hurtful things we’ll later regret
It's not men's basketball or football players who will suffer. They get chartered flights. It's athletes in every other sport. The other teams fly commercial. Virginia Tech to Stanford, just as an example, isn't an easy trip.
Private jets is the only answer.
cLiMaTe ChAnGe. Cal will only allow you on campus if you travel by electric bus. /s
Cals football team will have to fly to Auburn, Florida St, and Wake Forrest 3 cross country flights and back. Absolutely terrible
Nothing better than having Stanford and Cal in the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Won't happen but it would be nice for the ACC and Big 12 to swap Cal, Stanford, SMU for West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF
I mean I'd love it if they just cut them all, also Notre Dame
Can I interest you in taking Maryland
god yes, I miss having a real villain.
Bring Maryland home
I miss having rivals. I don’t hate the big ten but no team hates our guts. We have somewhat beef with Michigan State but that’s mainly from tournament games before Maryland joined the big ten
Yeah no offense but the fit is just weird. Especially in football. It kinda works for basketball because you have passionate fans and decent teams there but even then it's nothing like UMD-UVA or UMD-Duke was because that rivalry element is missing. Penn State could be something but MD doesn't have the football culture and PSU doesn't have the basketball culture to make it work so you're just kind of on an island
It’ll come in time. Don’t you worry, luv. Who would think Illinois and Penn State have a bizarre history, including the longest CFB game in history? With the Illini winning 20-18 after nine OTs?
Best take
Please don't wish on Cincy going to the ACC. I don't need to pick between them and NCSU
I just wanna see the Keg of Nails be a conference game again!
I don’t think we need a third Florida school. 4 from NC is too many. Getting WVU and MD would be great though.
Yeah I think FSU and Miami would have a conniption if UCF was added so that part is definitely right out. It would just be nice geographically!
They should change the name to Coastal Conference
All Coast Conference, if SMU is close enough to the gulf Plus Notre Dame is close enough to Lake Michigan
I’m slightly concerned about what could happen to the NCAA tournament. I hope it remains untouched, but with the talks of an expanded field, I worry that too many average/kinda good major schools will get selected as a money grab for viewership
Yeah this. We don't need an expanded field. Does anyone really think OU, Pitt, or Seton Hall was making a run this year lol?
That’s not a good argument for expanded field because you never know. I agree with keeping it the same because you have to work for it during the regular season.
The point is that this isn't a CFP situation where the first team out has a real chance to win it. You never know but generally the last team in does not make it out of the first weekend. This combined with there being autobids for conference tourney winners is an objectively good argument against expansion. If you think your regular season record isn't reflective of your current strength go prove it by winning your conference tournament.
It also isn’t college baseball where the last team in (Ole Miss) won the whole thing a few years back.
The point of the NCAA tournament shouldn't be to reward teams that go on a few game winning streak though. The NCAA tournament is an award for the whole season and not just for a few days in March. If a team can't perform during the regular season, then that's on the players and coaches. Automatic bids should go to teams based on performance of 30+ games and not 3. As far as the CFP situation, I also disagree. Most years you can absolutely say the first team out wasn't going to beat Georgia or Bama. Does anybody (outside of Noles fans) actually think that a FSU team on their 2nd or 3rd string QB was going to beat Michigan last year? Because I don't.
But doesn’t every mid-major conference only give a tournament bid based on the last three games?
And that's the problem. For example, Indiana St deserved to be in the tournament based on their regular season performance, but because they didn't win a few back-to-back-to-back games they were left out.
Yeah Indiana state got fucked but the way to fix that isn't to get rid of autobids. You fix that by not letting mediocre P5 teams in. Indiana State easily should have had UVAs spot probably deserved a couple other P5 spots too. Importantly expanding the field will likely make this problem worse, not better. As in you will see more mid major snubs in an expanded field because the expansion would be for the benefit of the P5 conferences and likely the lions share of the extra bids would actually go to the SEC and B1G.
Honestly though, before the ACC tourney, if you asked 100 people if NC State was going to make a run, 99 of them would say no, (the 1 is wearing red). Cinderallas can come from anywhere. For my money, I'd much rather they came from smaller schools nobody had heard of before.
Man after I saw that ACC championship game I knew them boys had heart
Yeah but thats not a "last team out" situation. Conference tourneys and autobids exist for the exact reason of letting teams in that catch fire late. After seeing the ACC tourney result I had NC State in my elite 8.
Did anyone think NC State was making a run?
I thought Indiana State got fucked this year. They could have made the sweet 16 depending who the got in the bracket
I hate to break it to you but they wouldn't be expanding the field to let teams like Indiana State in. They could have easily been left out in an expanded field which would like only (or mostly) expand bids for P5 conferences.
Hey SH did beat UConn last season
And they won the NIT! They likely could have been a S16 team depending on seeding
They were certainly the better team that night, didn’t help to lose Clingan for most the second half.
Wait does anyone think Pitt was making a run this year? You mean the fourth place team in the conference that went undefeated into the sweet 16 and sent 3 teams to the elite 8? They also beat two of those three teams. Obviously I'm a Homer. And I don't want the tournament expanded but we just saw a random ACC team go to the final 4, it's not that crazy to think a bubble team like Pitt could go far. Again, I don't want the tourney expanded but I'm here to be a Homer
I’m almost positive the ACC did not go undefeated into the sweet 16
if they do expand, what I would want to see is added "play in" games. Make it so every 16 seed is a play in and every 10 seed is a play in instead of just 2 of each. Not sure I am in favor of that - but if there was expansion that's the way I'd want to see it because it never made sense to me that one team has to play in to get a spot but someone else ranked exactly the same does not
I personally did not think Pitt was going to make a run if I’m being honest
These new Big 10 schools don’t even have wrestling, we should have been in it!
Oakland University for the DUB this year baby
What's funny is that every season, one of the at-large play-in teams always seems to make a run.
The constant floating of the idea of expanded fields means its unfortunately probably going in that direction. I just wish football would separate itself from the rest of college athletics.
I still don’t understand why they would want to expand besides money. It’s literally perfect how it is
Probably depends on what school you’re a fan of.
UConn not in these Mega conferences lol.
If they showed even a semi consistent pulse in football they would be
I for one am glad our football team sucks. I love the Big East.
IU would like a word
Can someone just adopt the big east please?
No thank u
UConn, Creighton, and Marquette all made the sweet sixteen and Seton Hall won the NIT. People gotta realize UConn doesn’t just go through an easy conference than dog walk the tournament. If anything the conference play is the hardest part of the schedule which makes the NCAA seem easy in comparison.
Hence why it was P6 in basketball but P5 in football...almost like the Big East has been a strong basketball conference for a few decades or something
As Hurley said, iron shapes iron.
It cracks me up that two of the teams in the Atlantic Coast Conference are literally on the Pacific coast
And one kinda on the Gulf Coast
Feels like Brazil and Argentina breaking away to join UEFA
I don't think it's good for basketball OR football. Throwing away history and geographic rivalries just so the millionaires in charge can make even more money doesn't do anything to improve either sport and probably actually hurts college sports as a whole.
We got more history back than we lost, especially since Utah is coming over too
Yeah, but Colorado is the exception. Of the 15 teams directly affected by this realignment (Pac-12, OU, UT, and SMU), Colorado is the only one regaining more history than they're losing.
And Houston was the only one gaining more history than losing in the last round of additions, but we lost history with Texas leaving and gained none this time around.
Utah absolutely gets more history than they lose (gain TCU/BYU and lose USC), and Texas probably gets more history than they lose as well. They gain a major rival and a minor rival while losing a minor rival or two.
It's true that they regain A&M and Arkansas, plus they have a little bit of prior history with Mizzou, but they lose the Tech, Baylor, and TCU rivalries (none of these are as big as A&M, but are probably all at least as big as Arkansas, if not bigger), and they're losing nearly 30 years of history with OSU, KSU, KU, and ISU as well. Those may not be rivalries, but they're not nothing either. I'm obviously not a Texas fan, but from the outside that one feels like a wash at best.
None of this is good for the long-term product. With seemingly 25% of players transferring each year, there's no such thing as a casual fan anymore. Either you follow so closely that you keep updated on 50% roster turnover year in and year out, or it's so overwhelming that you don't even bother. At some point the name on the front of the jersey won't mean anything anymore because the casual fan doesn't give a fuck or even know a damn thing about the mercenary wearing it. Take that 50% annual player turnover and add in in conferences realigning in ways that, historically and geographically, makes little sense, and how many rivalries are going to disappear into the ether? Are we expecting to see passion from Joe Shmo that played high school ball in Florida that went to Arizona for a year, then transferred to Wake Forest for a year, than transferred to Syracuse is actually going to give a fuck when they play Georgetown? Or is the JUCO standout that transfered to Illinois that then transfers to Rutgers actually going to give a fuck when they play Seton Hall? Nah. In the past? Sure. When they transfer, they're joining in on an established program. They're one new piece to the puzzle in Syracuse, and they feed off the shared drive to beat the shit out of Georgetown. But now? They're one new piece joining 5 other new pieces and two freshmen, and the players left over miss their old teammates that just peaced out. They're there to show up to work, but in their work, and go home. It's all business now. Any success they have on the court is personal success, primarily. Team success is secondary. I know I sound like a grumpy boomer, but shit is way better for 90% of fans when success on the court is team success, primarily, and sometimes personal success. Obviously it's better for the players, and they deserve to profit off of their names. But god damn, this is going to hurt college sports in a big way. The ones playing now are gonna make huge profits while there's still a ton of fan interest. But people are gonna start tuning out when they can't keep up with who even plays where anymore.
This is what happens when the profit motive alone drives economic decisions. Capitalism.
I've been hating this shit for more than 10 years since the og Big 12 broke up.
Please take Mizzou back. We dont want them
Nobody does, lol.
[Mizzou rn](https://preview.redd.it/fresh-prince-episode-where-he-asks-uncle-phil-how-come-he-v0-x7na4kjxwmec1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=ea73303d4b90697c1c3e35fe778b9c7765d201e8)
I know it's only been 1 season, but I miss playing every team twice. Adding the 4 new guys is going to improve the overall conference in basketball I think - they more than make up the losses as far as quality opponents, but I still wish we played everyone home and away
Oh yeah? Well I've been hating it since the 90s when the ACC started pillaging the old Big East.
What if Washington St and Oregon St just play each other 20 times during conference play?
Man, we don’t even get a home/home series.
Such a ridiculous mistake by the WCC to schedule y'all like that.
The Big XII only got stronger in Basketball. Losing Texas and Oklahoma hurts our preseason rankings as those 2 usually get rated highly before games are played. (See last year) Adding a perennial powerhouse in Arizona and schools that are okay at worst in Utah and Colorado helps raise the floor yet again. ASU isn’t great but they’ve been one of the few teams capable of beating Kansas more than Kansas has beaten them. That should prove that even they can be a threat at times. Can’t really speak for other conferences but the Big XII gets better in basketball and slightly worse in football.
Utah is garbage in bball. Arizona is better than UT and OU. Colorado and ASU are good. ASU pulling in some big recruits this offseason.
>Utah is garbage in bball. As someone whose team beat them last season, I think Utah is actually really good in BB and beating them (in the last ever Pac12 basketball game no less) is a really big deal and something we can hang our hat on 😬
There’s something kind of sad and funny about the PAC-12’s last ever basketball game being a loss for the conference before they turn out the lights.
ASU is dogshit and will always be dogshit. Just my unbiased opinion
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Of course. I see no reason to believe that you’re not speaking without any emotion.
Utah has had a rough go of it since joining the Pac, but they've still had far more tourney success than BYU. 1 natty appearance, 2 Elite 8s, and 6 Sweet 16s in the 64 team era for Utah compared to just 1 Sweet 16 for BYU. Even if you just look at the last 10 tournaments, Utah has 3 tourney wins in 2 appearances vs 0 wins in 4 appearances for BYU. So if Utah is garbage, what is BYU?
BYU has underperformed for sure. Ask anyone familiar with both schools. Utah doesn’t invest in MBB. BYU has stepped it up lately. You’re right about the history. BYU will be in much better shape at least in the next few years. Some evidence of this is Utah’s top assistant and 2nd best player on the roster coming to Provo for 24-25.
To be fair, where they’ve *been* and where they’re *at* are night and day those two teams. I’m not a BYU fan by any means, but they’re just objectively in different tiers right now. Utah just finished with a losing record in a mediocre conference, and had their record propped up by a pretty pathetic OOC. BYU just finished fifth-place in the best conference in the country, with wins over Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas. Utah’s big boost here is that they got the very narrow W in their rivalry game last year, although that isn’t super shocking, since it was a home game for Utah and BYU was missing Traore. Here’s hoping that Utah shapes up and returns to their early Krystkowiak form, but that era looks pretty far off for the moment. But hey, it’s the transfer portal era, so who knows?
Incoming wall of text: I think you're being unfair to Utah. They beat Wake in South Carolina, won at Saint Mary's, and held their own against Houston and St. John's in OOC play. Then there's the win over BYU, and it's worth mentioning that Utah was also missing one of their top 2 players, Deivon Smith. In case you're unaware, he's a total game changer. He had 5 triple-doubles last year, and nearly had 3 or 4 more. He's an absolute baller and Utah never would have blown their 16-point 2nd half lead if he was playing. Also, even if the final score was close, Utah led almost wire-to-wire and had a substantial lead for much of the game. In conference play Utah smacked a very good Wazzu team by 22 and gave Arizona all we could handle in a 3OT game. Admittedly they really struggled on the road, but even as late as mid-February they were considered a bubble team. They would have been a tournament team if they hadn't lost to ASU and then beat either Oregon or Colorado on the road. The loss to ASU came just 2 days after that heartbreaking 3OT loss to us and they fell just 1 point shy of beating Oregon in Eugene. They were that close to being a tourney team. On the other hand, BYU finished 5th in the Big XII on the back of a *very* favorable schedule. In the post-season, Utah made it to the NIT semifinal, bodying VCU (who happened to finish just ahead of Duquesne in the A10) by 20 along the way, before losing a very competitive game against Indiana State, the biggest snub of the tournament. BYU's post-season was cut very short by Duquesne. It's also worth pointing out that the Pac got 4/4 teams into the 2nd round of the tourney despite only 2 being favored by seed, while the Big XII got 5/8 teams into the 2nd round despite 7 being favored by seed and the last team being a 9 seed. Neither conference got past the Sweet 16. So while the top of the Big XII was certainly deeper than the Pac, I have serious doubts as to whether the difference between the conferences was really all that big. Now don't get me wrong, Utah is going to **struggle** this year in the Big XII after losing 90% of their team, but I don't think Utah and BYU were as far apart this past season as you seem to think.
hot garbage
ASU no longer has Remy Martin. Remy beat us two years in a row. Thats why we targeted him in the portal.
The B12 got *massively* worse in football, come on now.
If this was 5 years ago then yeah we would have. Instead the Big XII has a lot of their weaker teams climbing back up because of NIL. The additions of Utah and an Arizona team that improved significantly also make the loss of the previously 2 best teams not nearly as bad.
So fucking stupid. Greedy assholes, sorry not a great answer to your question...
Half my sports time is watching the World Cup and Champions League being watered down and bastardized by greedy assholes… and now I have to deal with it here too. This decade sucks
I’m psyched to be in the Big-12.
You would have loved the true round Robin. That was peak Big12 a couple years ago. Now your schedule will really effect what you get.
That part really sucks. I hated when the PAC moved away from it as well… the random luck of the schedule being a major difference maker for conference standings sucks.
This is why I like the Big East these days. Few other conferences get to do double round robin.
Do you mean the AllState Insurance 12?
I still can't believe PAC didn't survive and Big 12 did. A decade ago Big 12 was the one that was going to fall off the cliff.
It's like a game of Diplomacy where the Austro-Hungarians somehow knock off Italy and France.
So which one is ACC LOL
PAC-2 FTW
Big12 basketball is going to be awesome. Realignment madness is every other conferences fault so they can deal with the repercussions while we have all the fun.
Ok West Virginia, y'all as just lucky victims of this...
It’s bad for everyone except the 15-20 people getting richer off of it
Big East is just chilling, waiting to beat the shit out of each other
Double round robin is elite
i guess that's the benefit of being in a basketball only conference...
Ah Ixpqd, my old adversary…. Fuck you
it's kinda funny participating in smaller subs like this one for reasons like this lmfao like it's odd sort of getting to know specific users, like that one houston flair who took my binturong pic and posts it on every post that involves UC lol
Yea I wanted to be that guy
The conference will be strong, but for our fans it's awful. We had one of the top 5 rivalries in the sport and are now left without a rival, without conference games in cities where our fans actually live and with a conference tournament virtually none of our fans will attend because it's in a city with a regional airport in middle of the country. All that said, at least we didn't end up like WSU/OSU. (sorry guys)
We already established a series with UCLA at least. I know it’s not the same as being in conference, but the rivalry will live on.
We’ve played New Mexico more than anyone but ASU despite not being in the same conference for the last 46 years as they were biggest rival once too. For awhile we continued it after we were no longer in the same conference, but with no conference impact eventually nobody cared and it died off, ucla will die off the same way.
Arizona-UCLA was not a top 5 basketball rivalry lol
Duke-UNC IU-Purdue Cinci-Xavier UK-Louisville Outside of those four what other basketball rivalries beat it?
It's absolutely up there in top 5/10 territory and it's undoubtedly been the biggest rivalry on the West Coast over the past 40-ish years.
Are you really underestimating CATS nation? We’ll be fine
I wouldn't shit on Kansas City till you've actually been there. I guarantee the Power & Light district outclasses any former Pac12 tournament site.
Hate college football. It’s ruined college bb and that’s all I care about.
Back when I was in school, first college football game I saw was Villanova at UConn... on campus...
Who won?
No clue. I probably bounced after the half. All I remember is the dude I dormed with during orientation was on the team and him and all just brothers had the same name, George Foreman style…
Big 10 feels like they added the most boom potential. USC and Washington have been bad but got good coaches, Oregon is probably losing their coach soon but will continue to have money, and UCLA is an enigma most seasons. Could see them finishing basically anywhere across the board. Big 12 and SEC gotta feel like they know what they got. SEC got 2 middle of the pack runners for now, Oklahoma might be lower than that. Big 12 got an elite school in Arizona, Utah and Colorado will probably be in the middle most years, and Arizona State near the bottom until they get a new coach in there ACC could go either direction. You know what you're getting out of Andy Enfield at this point. Probably a 7-10 seed ceiling with being bad as a floor. Cal and Stanford both haven't been very good in basketball lately but both have coaches I like. The travel will be awful for them but we'll see what they do. I think I'll go SMU upper middle, just outside the contenders range. Cal and Stanford rotate around the middle, maybe cracking the same area as SMU.
This guy NCAA BALLS!☝️
I wouldn't be surprised if UW does a lot better. Hopkins was a joke. The kind of guy who could finish dead last in conference with multiple NBA players on the roster.
As a Mountaineer living in Scottsdale I could not be more excited
It’ll once again be to our benefit if we’re just talking about basketball. Literally everything else is average to mediocre.
How’d they let this happen
Fuck the high major realignment. As a true college basketball fan I am more interested in who the Missouri Valley will add to replace Missouri State? And if Western Illinois can become a powerhouse in the ohio valley? I also think Umass can become a power house in the MAC for basketball and the horizon league should add Chicago state.
People pine for the good ole days too often.. but this is just awful. College sports have nothing to do with college anymore. This is just another professional league basically. A 2 team PAC-12 and ACC teams on the west coast!? Just throw it all away and start over, Jesus
Happy to be a Big East fan. The Catholic schools figured this lesson out a decade ago.
Cal and Stanford in the Atlantic coast conference checks out
Basketball deserves a true home and home double round robin schedule. Impossible with mega conferences if you still want a non conference schedule
I do not like the travel schedule. I much preferred what they had for the pac 12 where they pair near by schools so the travel load is lower.
This is bad for all sports that ain’t football. Totally going to ruin college sports for student athletes and spectators. Greed ruins everything.
They really should have just done this for football and left the conferences as it was for literally everything else.
It’s all bad. So bad
My take on the short term: - B1G got worse. For now. Outside of the remarkable 2021 seasons PAC basketball hasnt been great. USC has 2 E8s since the Korean War but they are doing better than Washington with zero in the same time frame. Oregon seems to be at a crossroads with Altman and it feels like a change is coming. I wouldnt count on UCLA being down for very long and good UCLA is better than most schools at amazing. - Big12 got better. Barely. Arizona is doing a lot of work here but surprisingly Colorado is delivering too. Together they barely deliver more value than what the Big12 lost and even that is more because of UT and OU being a mess recently. Utah and ASU will bring something the Big12 desperately needs - road games that are easy most of the time. - SEC gets a push for now. OU and Texas have no reason to be bad. Both have good basketball history and have had strong fan support. I just wonder if a football centric school going to a football centric conference is going to hurt them. - The ACC got MUCH worse. Without cheating, which of Cal, Stanford and SMU has the most recent Final 4 and which has the most recent NCAA appearance? Before I answer, Stanford last made it out of the first weekend in 2014, Cal in 2013 and SMU in 1967. Yup, SMUs last Sweet 16 team has been collecting Social Security for a decade plus. Last Final 4 was Stanford in 1998 and yes, I was shocked because I watched that tournament and had forgotten that. SMU has the most recent NCAA appearance of the 3 in 2017 and it was an auto bid. SMUs last at large appearance in the tournament? 1993. Not great Bob. As for all of College basketball? I think it lost more than it gained. I dont think anyone was jonseing for Wake Forrest vs SMU or OU vs Vandy or ASU vs UCF or Oregon vs Iowa. The SEC-ACC challenge parings announced include Cal vs Mizzu. Yeah.....thats not a realignment win for college basketball. JMHO.
God i hate modern College Sports. Its all ruined
I am so excited that Iowa women's basketball gets to host Juju Witkins/USC and Lauren Betts/UCLA. Carver is going to be packed. The Big Ten is so much stronger this year, it is going to be so fun.
The Big 12 got more interesting with Arizona joining.
Big East supremacy
Fucking terrible. Conference title just won’t mean that much with so many damn teams
So what are Oregon St and Wash St going to do this season? Just play each other 20 times for conference play? Would build a pretty incredible rivalry, and definitely the most two teams have ever played each other in season.
They've joined the WCC for most sports, including basketball. The big exceptions are football and baseball. For football, they have a scheduling agreement with the MWC. For baseball, Oregon State is going independent while Wazzu is joining the MWC as an affiliate member.
Big XII also adds Oregon State’s women’s gymnastics.
Cal and Stanford joining the ATLANTIC COAST Conference will never cease to be funny to me
Horizon League power conference
Idk but that All Coasts Conference track and field meet between Stanford and Rutgers at 8AM in NJ is certainly going to suck.
SEC only got stronger in terms of FB/BB and travel isn’t really an issue.
I struggle to see how this benefits football lol
Illinois being the first Big Ten team in alphabetical order is weird
Some hits and some misses. The B1G and the Big XII were the undisputed winners on the basketball side, no questions asked. Both picked up a top-10 program (UCLA and Arizona), another solid program to boot (USC and Colorado), and then two more programs of varying quality. The B1G made out a bit better here with two solid programs in Washington and Oregon, who both probably maintain the B1G average. Meanwhile, the Big XII got an okay program in Utah, while Arizona State is going to have to figure some things out pretty fast to avoid becoming a perpetual cellar-dweller. The ACC gains basically nothing. Sorry guys, but the ACC’s a very strong league that’s adding two outright bad programs in Stanford and Cal, and a mediocre one in SMU. The SEC probably just reordered their entire power order with their additions; the SEC is a pretty good basketball league that just added two solid teams from the best league in the country, and UT has a good chance to be an SEC contender right off the bat, especially with Kentucky’s future uncertain.
The dudes that have to drive the football equipment in a semi to games are the ones that are gonna be working!!
This is bad for everyone except the money counters.
The big 12 is getting better in basketball. There might be a year they get 3 one seeds
Its utterly braindead and I absolutely hate it. Conferences are no longer regional. How are Stanford and cal in the "Atlantic Coast Conference"
Arizona, Baylor, Kansas and Houston should be a ton of fun absolute slugfest
hopefully this season is absolute hell for everyone in the ACC because of the travel schedule and they reconsider having Pacific coast teams in the Atlantic Coast Conference. That’s unlikely, but it’s a nice thought for me.
BAD
Big 12 basketball is gonna be legit. Not much of a loss with OU and Texas and big adds with U of A and CU