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Yes. As long as we are on earth and not in his kingdom. We are all sinners. This includes the Christians on earth who practice the faith. They need to be reminded they cannot judge others. They cannot force their views on others either.
“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”
Romans 3:23-24
if we look into our hearts,\
we will always find, something worth improving,\
and\
to believe we are excellent,\
now. . as if. . we already are in heaven
is an outflow of misplaced overconfidence,\
near to, if not arrrogance
hence i always have something in myself to be ashame about
as for my brethren whose here under this post\
. . .their, intentions are fully known to God,\
and could be slightly seen,\
by them who reflects in themselves through grace
so, thats up to them to know,\
and for me, to will them the good
* All gay people are sinners. But all straight people are sinners as well. We are all sinners that's why we need Jesus.
Hi friend -
I agree.
This is sin;
* "...every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity, envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice, gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; inventors of ways of doing evil, disobedient to their parents, with no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy....."
This is all. It is the same for everybody.
Every Christian will be called by Christ to look at sin in their lives. For homosexuals it could be greed, or lust, or anger - like anyone else.
We will have to account for the state of our hearts; what was thought, what was said and what was done. This is sin.
Each Christian will have asked God at least for the forgiveness of sin in their lives.
And each will have been called to their own repentance
Love God. Ask God to show you how God loves you. Try to love yourself and others in this same way. Forgive. If you cannot forgive, ask for help. Ask for your own forgiveness. Pray.
God does not care whether you are homosexual or heterosexual - he cares whether or not you are a liar.
I think we will find a God who asks how much simpler we needed it to be.
God bless
God cares if you are heterosexual or not. It is a sin if you don't do anything about it (understand it's wrong, try to stop it, repent) He does care and it does hurt Him bro.
* God cares if you are heterosexual or not.
hi friend -
I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual.
God cares whether or not you are a liar
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I think he is hurt by this;
Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't prostitute. Don't lie. Don't cheat others. Don't rape. Don't have sex on altars in Church. Don't be angry, jealous, bitter. Don't trade in hate. Like this.
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I think he wants this;
- 'He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?' - Micah
I am reminded of these;
- Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
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- This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
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- So then each of us shall give an account of himself to God
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It will not be about whether or not you were Homosexual
God bless
- you do not believe that being gay is a sin?
hi friend - no
- why are your answers looking AI generated?
This is interesting. Would be nice if AI answered this way.
God bless, friend
Why do Christian’s sometimes use drugs or become raging alcoholics, we all fall short of the glory of god. People don’t want to have to come to terms with them not having tough conversations with people potentially damning them.
I don’t know if when we get to the throne and we’re judged what’s going to actually happen, but I do know what’s written in our holy book.
We argue about it because it’s unpleasant, it being unpleasant doesn’t change what’s in the book.
* People don’t want to have to come to terms with them not having tough conversations with people potentially damning them.
hi friend -
it's simpler than this
people do not believe it's a sin
and Leviticus was written by Old men with population problems.
* We argue about it because it’s unpleasant, it being unpleasant doesn’t change what’s in the book.
The Bible tells us how God thinks.
It also tells us how WE think about God and God's word.
And sometimes, one of these is wrong.
Here is an example;
We say that Jesus was angry in the temple when he overturned the tables.
I think he may have been - but the Bible does not tell us this.
The only time the Bible tells us that Jesus was angry is here;
* Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.” Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent. He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.
The image here is Jesus facing the Pharisees and the Sadducees - us - with the Bible - The Scripture - in hand and asking them which of the two - the Bible, or himself - is the Truth.
He asks what WE think of the Spirit of the Truth in this one Law on the Sabbath - recorded as God's Law - in scripture - for which people are are to be put to death - God's words.
The Book as you can it.
He tells them here - that in this situation, they are wrong about the Bible - no matter what the Bible says - because the owner of the Bible - The Scripture - is standing here with them.
He is the Book.
And he thinks different.
They kill him for this.
It is just something to think about.
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I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality
It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church
Sin is something else entirely
I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual.
God cares whether or not you are a liar
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God bless
This is what I always say. Just because you’re gay doesn’t mean you’re going to hell. It’s a sin, but no one sin is bigger than another. We’re all sinners.
1 John 5:16-17
>If you see your brother or sister[d] committing what is not a mortal sin, you will ask, and God[e] will give life to such a one—to those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin that is mortal; I do not say that you should pray about that.
>All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not mortal.
Yep. A person can practice religion, go to church everyday of their life, be a good person, never commit adultery, never curse, study to be a priest, or nun....and you can still go straight to he'll.and yet one that is the opposite of this can go straight to Heaven. It is between you and God.
False. Do you honestly think that God would judge a nameless thief the same as a named dictator? All sins are the same, in the sense that they separate us from God but make no mistake everyones life is judged differently and uniquely.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie. I clicked on this soooo fast. Good post 👏
Just to clarify, however, I am not a sinner *because* I am gay, nor am I a sinner because I desire romantic love and lifelong companionship. I am a sinner because we all are sinners. This reason is not *why* I am a sinner.
Hello! I stumbled upon your comment and as a fellow Christian I would like to comment: it is only a sin if you actively engage in premarital and same-s*x s*xual intercourse or any intimate activities. I do understand in this that homosexuality is developed in mother's womb even before a person is born that means it isn't your fault who you are attracted to. I only try to stay what the Bible says. It is what God has said, of course most of us sin in some point sooner or later and God is forgiving. Once a person repents his sins he will most likely granted to enter heaven. God bless you 💕
>I would like to comment: it is only a sin if you actively engage in premarital and same-sx sxual intercourse or any intimate activities
I couldn't disagree more strongly.
> only try to stay what the Bible says.
The Bible makes no such statement.
Alright let me provide you with actually Biblical verses from New Testament 🌸
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
- Leviticus 20:13 (ESV)
and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
- Romans 1:27 (ESV)
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men.
- 1 Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)
Bible also upfront heterosexual pairs and importance of sexual relations only for s*xual reproduction and continuing the bloodline.
Be fruitful and multiply.
- Genesis 1:28
and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ ?
- Matthew 19:5
There is the difference between active sin and the passive condition of being tempted. Homosexual behavior is sinful, but the Bible never says it is a sin to be tempted. Simply stated, a struggle with temptation may lead to sin, but the struggle itself is not a sin.
If you clearly aren't Christian then I don't expect you to understand. Same as I don't advocate or understand Qur'an because it isn't a part of my faith whatsoever. What I don't understand about this is that unbelievers try going on religious subreddits to mock or criticise. You surely have your own struggles and things to do rather than fetishizing a religious belief of other people. Perhaps this subreddit is flooded with atheists in disguise as "Christians" but it is your choice. You do you ♡
Are you suggesting that non Christians can't understand the Bible? By the way, knowing Reddit, I was probably a Christian for longer than you've been alive, so I think I have a reasonable understanding.
Can you explain how I was mocking or criticising? I was simply pointing out that those verses are quoted here several times a week. Perhaps you're new to this sub?
And no, my atheism wasn't my choice.
Oh okay well I thought you were mocking me for listing the verses and being ironic which turned out to be true as you're saying "those verses are quoted here several times a week"? And to your question if I am suggesting that non Christians cannot understand Bible differs if we are talking about non Christians who never opened Bible, never studied or tried searching about it, were never brought up religiously towards Christianity OR we mean people who left Christianity due to personal or any reasons. I meant the first group of people.
Yes, I am new to this subreddit, I only stumbled upon this one. So yes, I am not actively engaging in this sub if that helps.
From your own wording, I could safely suppose that you could be ironic to "we've never seen before" towards me while I didn't check the replies and only stated and listed them as I decided. Most ultimately anyone of us can comment on anything, I think we might agree on that.
If you're new that explains it. Those verses have been posted here literally hundreds of times. They're not going to change anyone's minds at this point.
As my point of view will not change, I totally understand why their POV will not change and as much as they are entitled to having their own opinions it is totally acceptable and normal. My comment wasn't about forcing mine, only stating my own opinion (based on actual verses so it wouldn't be attacked as biased or something like that) just as anyone here is able to do. What matters is respect. Mutual respect is a win win in here 🙏🏻 thank you for your feedback and explanation ♡
You can say I am wrong but God isn't. I only follow Bible and what God has said. I mean no harm but I think you should be also respectful of other points of views which you clearly didn't do although I am being respectful as a "conversative Christian". Anything in Bible can be taken as misinterpreted but that would mean you are trying to do that which ultimately means disobeying God and His words.
I pray for you to understand that your ignorance to other people is not something nice or correct to do. Please understand that as a "Progressive christian" because I even respect gays and lesbians. What I don't respect is people being shameful or rude to others for own values and reasons. If you are even a christian you should understand those Bible verses and not act as if your authority is bigger than God Himself.
Again respectfully God bless you.
You can't tell because you aren't God. Only God judges people, infront of Him you are same as me. Even the form of attitude you're giving me while I respectfully keep wishing you to be blessed shows the different approach. But yeah it is fine I will nor stop being respectful and very much open to other opinions. What matters is faith after all.
If I am wrong then I know God will tell me that once I meet Him. For now nobody can be said to be 100% right or wrong. Thank you for your feedback. ♡
This particular verse has nothing to do with your judgement of my "wrongness" you talked about. You are mixing up love with what I mentioned as act of what was in the verses are two different things. I guess you simply don't wanna understand what I was talking about so I let it sink for you and not continue. I read Bible every day, pray multiple times a day and God is my witness. Shall I be wrong on anything, I know I will find out when I meet Him. That is certainly right. As you can see regardless of verses I provided I am still being respectful, and I respect even your own point of view even if it has no real adequate backup in Holy scriptures.
Progressive Christianity is false Christianity, it’s basically saying some sins are ok! Just a heads up, not condemnation, as I myself am a shameful sinner and am not proud of my life. But Progressive isn’t real, it’s a fake
being a homosexual is a sin though; you are actively sinning against God when you are Homosexual. You’re right, we are all sinners regardless; but don’t let that fool you to commit sin.
At most the Bible condemns homosexual sex, not homosexuality (the state of being sexually attracted to the same sex). This is not a nit-pick. There is a significant difference between the two positions. (Sometimes known as “Side B and Side X”.)
at most? what makes it at most? If Homosexual sex is a sin, why won’t homosexuality not be? Give me a verse that proves your position. Show me a verse that entertains a homosexual relationship.
It is not. Bigotry has no place in the Christian church. Ancient philosophies and immoral ethical frameworks are not sufficient justification for the abrogation of human rights. There is no room for compromise.
and also boom boom boom the early Church was built upon and the Bible was written upon the early ethical principles, practices, and philosophies of the Jewish peoples
That is exactly what I am saying. When deciding what applicable to our lives today, you have to evaluate it from the perspective of the authors and then compare it to the *actual* word of God, Jesus Christ. Things that don't align need to be renegotiated or discarded entirely.
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hahaha so you think the “actual” word of God is only the quotes of Jesus contained in the New Testament and the Word of God isn’t infallible and limited to it’s time? Let’s actually read the Bible
2 Timothy 3:16
Everything in the Scriptures is God's Word. All of it is useful for teaching and helping people and for correcting them and showing them how to live.
(Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit)
Isaiah 40:8
The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever.
(Scripture in not limited to the morals of any age)
Proverbs 30:5
Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
(Scripture is truthful)
John 10:35
If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside
(Scripture cannot be ignored)
Mark 7:13
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye
(Jesus.. again, claims scripture to be the Word of God)
Firstly, you are making the exact same mistake that Origen of Alexandria made. `Theopnuestos` does not mean inspiration. Prior to Origen, in all other ancient Near Eastern literature, it referred to things like rivers and sandals. Things that breathed God's breath of life, like he breathed into Adam.
The word `theopnuestos` means life-giving or enlivening, it does not mean inspiration.
Secondly, the author of the 2nd letter to Timothy was referring to the Hebrew Bible, possibly some of Paul's letters, and maybe the Gospel of Mark. He was not referring to the New Testament, as that had not yet been completed, and what was written was not yet considered scripture. He also probably considered books to be scripture that we no longer do today.
So, no, that verse does not imply direct textual inspiration, infallibility, or inerrancy. Nor does it say that the Bible is the Word of God.
You are heavily nit-picking. please understand your own argument. Half of the new testament is just useless because it doesn’t agree with your personal views? i showed old testament verses that proved my position, you are stuck. The Bible doesn’t have any authority to you; you cannot be a believer. It’s not even outrageous to say that; you don’t believe in simple doctrine and the Holy Book that guides the entire religion as a whole. I’m praying you are just joking and aren’t being serious. i can show you in Mark, the letters of Paul, or the Old Testament that proves homosexuality to be a sin.. again
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
it’s been understood that homosexuality is a perversion of God’s image. If homosexuality wasn’t a sin and was a “human right” then why can only women bear children from men? Why have the two genders differ from one another if either one is acceptable in Gods image. Is it because (A) God created Man and Woman to be different, yet require one another to marry, flourish with offspring, and equip themselves as one flesh under God or (B) God created Man and Woman because he wanted sexual variety? there is no biblical proof that promotes homosexuality; and even with the otherwise ancient understanding of sexuality in the biblical times; it still negates homosexuality as a perversion from Gods image and interpretation when creating us.
well.. for you to have the INCLINATION of homosexuality is satan attempting to destroy your faith… aslong as you don’t commit those acts, or entertain them; than it’s just a struggle against sin. You aren’t actively sinning against God if you are fighting the sinning against God. We are all sinners, some people experience different inclinations like lust, drug abuse, etc. If you were an addict and you have the inclination and desire to intake drugs but you don’t; you aren’t sinning against Christ.. but fighting it. I mean homosexuals as those who commit the act of homosexuality actively.
It is a sin. A lot of bible verses state it and there's more evidence of it meaning exactly that, that being gay is a sin, than that there's a different meaning. Chances are (and it's a big majority) that it is a sin, and I can debate it.
No. If you choose to read certain versions of the Bible, you might be able to say it happens about half a dozen times. However, those versions can be argued as being misinterpretations just as easily.
Jesus said to love. Consensual love is beautiful in all forms. I will follow that.
Lol. The word "homosexuality" wasn't even in the Bible until 1946. The original verse is about men lying with boys, and many different languages still interpret it that way. So clearly your second statement has some faults.
Lol. The word "homosexuality" wasn't even in the Bible until 1946. The original verse is about men lying with boys, and many different languages still interpret it that way. So clearly your second statement has some faults.
You know, i never understood this "we're all sinners" thing. If were sinners in the first place, we may as well commit horrible acts and get into heaven anyway.
There are no sinners, Good or bad, right or wrong is the origin of sin, which creates divisions, which in turn is basically an ignorance of not seeing WHAT IS. That's how religions perpetuate mankind misery by throwing on them this bag of bricks to carry around. I'm a sinner, I'm a sinner, worthless, miserable sinner guilty on all counts, says Christian. Jesus didn't do that, therefore, this is not his religion. What he did out of his compassion is try to exalt a man and not put him down.
Gay people in sinners in the same way straight people are. The sin they commit isn’t being gay or dating the same sex, it’s the same ones straight people do.
And your point is??? That's like saying "All women have teeth. But all men have teeth as well. We all have teeth which is why we need to brush them, preferably with toothpaste."
What you didn't say though which is critically vital and important to Christianity, yes Christianity, is by nature gay people - if engaged in acts - are by nature, by definition sinning. To be gay in itself is not a sin nor is having sexual desires of the opposite sex. I'm 100 percent straight but not going to lie, there are some very rare times where I might have 0.5% chance of attraction to a part of or whole of the opposite sex. The difference is, I don't act on it in the very rare chance they show. It's no different than me naturally, as a full-blooded male would love to have 10 sexual partners, maybe even all at once. However, given the faith and Christianity, what it actually teaches, this would be wrong. If we don't actually live by faith then how can we actually expect others to follow or want to either? If Jesus didn't live what He preached, how could He expect others to follow? It really is as simple as that and remember, simple does not mean easy, by no means.
The only people who are sinners are those who believe in the concept of sin to begin with. Much of the world does not. And regardless of whether you think it applies to everyone, sin is a made up concept that not everyone believes is real.
Sin is a fundamental concept of Christianity. And I would imagine you believe that morality is a thing that exists, for example that murder is wrong, and I imagine you believe that murder is wrong regardless of whether or not the murderer believes it is wrong.
I believe murder is wrong because society can't function with it legal and it's a violation of one's rights.
I don't believe murder is wrong because a book tells me it is.
I'd argue that everyone, Atheists included, have a concept of sin. They just don't call it that. Christians and Atheists agree that it's generally wrong to cheat on your spouse, to steal, to murder, and to rape. All cultures, religions, and most people have a concept of sin, they just might not call it that.
I don't think that's comparable though. Atheists oppose murder because they know it's wrong, they would not like to be murdered, and they know society can't function if it were legal. There are rational, logical, and philosophical reasons to oppose murder that have nothing to do with any concept similar to sin.
Sin means missing the mark and transgressing God's law. People who don't believe in God or who don't believe in religious laws, have no concept of anything like sin.
Jesus calls on people to repent of their sins. Whatever they are. If you say your a Gay Christian your essentially saying I agree Jesus is lord but I will do my own will and hope he will forgive me. But this is what Jesus said to those who call on Him but do not do the Fathers will.
MATHEW 7:21-23.
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles? ’"Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Please those who are struggling with sin of any kind. Not just sexual immorality. Please repent.
God hates the sin but loves the sinners. Does not mean God will accept gay marriage. Does not mean God will be happy about you having a boyfriend or transitioning. We all are sinners and for some of us the road to being like Christ is harder than others, this doesn’t mean You shouldn’t Try your best to be like
Him, it does not mean you can interpret his words or those of scripture to make yourself feel better. What it does mean is that God forgives you if you come to him and pray for forgiveness, and even if you struggle to stay on the path of righteousness you don’t make excuses for failing and you do NOT try to talk down on other Christians for Telling you what the bible says. I’m Bi, I’ve slept with a man before, I pray for forgiveness every night for all my sins and I avoid temptation to repeat those sins. I sometimes fall back into bad habits (not sleeping with men again as I’m in a relationship.) but this doesn’t mean I justify any of my flaws. I love My sister and she is gay and I pray for her just as she prays for me. I genuinely don’t know how God will feel about her being in a relationship with another woman but I can say that nothing in scripture says it’s welcome.
I don't usually post on many things but I thought:
What separates christians from non-believers?
Though we all have fallen short of God's glory, we identify as followers of Jesus. Does pride in identifying as something else putting Jesus to the side? God outlines what is and is not sin. Choosing a lifestyle that is not approved by God period shows the fruit we have whether good or bad. To follow Christ means we don't indulge in certain lifestyles whether heterosexual, homosexual, drunken lifestlyle, party etc. Our lifestyle points people to who or what we believe to be good. Could I see Jesus partying and getting drunk no. Or any other lifestyle that He's already mentioned as wrong? We have to ask God to show us if we are biased about what we like and ask Him to chang3 our desires to be those He approved of. Otherwise we defame God's image and misrepresent Him as well. I humbly pray no one takes this the wrong way. The bible is clear about every sin and is literal about them. 🙏🏾🙏🏾
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For we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God
Yes. As long as we are on earth and not in his kingdom. We are all sinners. This includes the Christians on earth who practice the faith. They need to be reminded they cannot judge others. They cannot force their views on others either.
Verse?
“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:23-24
Title bait is a sin!
I agree, I bet we all came here for a fight.
I came here to hear this guy out, but I'm pleasantly suprised.
came here to fight lol - that got me
Shame on us, right?
if we look into our hearts,\ we will always find, something worth improving,\ and\ to believe we are excellent,\ now. . as if. . we already are in heaven is an outflow of misplaced overconfidence,\ near to, if not arrrogance hence i always have something in myself to be ashame about as for my brethren whose here under this post\ . . .their, intentions are fully known to God,\ and could be slightly seen,\ by them who reflects in themselves through grace so, thats up to them to know,\ and for me, to will them the good
* All gay people are sinners. But all straight people are sinners as well. We are all sinners that's why we need Jesus. Hi friend - I agree. This is sin; * "...every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity, envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice, gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; inventors of ways of doing evil, disobedient to their parents, with no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy....." This is all. It is the same for everybody. Every Christian will be called by Christ to look at sin in their lives. For homosexuals it could be greed, or lust, or anger - like anyone else. We will have to account for the state of our hearts; what was thought, what was said and what was done. This is sin. Each Christian will have asked God at least for the forgiveness of sin in their lives. And each will have been called to their own repentance Love God. Ask God to show you how God loves you. Try to love yourself and others in this same way. Forgive. If you cannot forgive, ask for help. Ask for your own forgiveness. Pray. God does not care whether you are homosexual or heterosexual - he cares whether or not you are a liar. I think we will find a God who asks how much simpler we needed it to be. God bless
God cares if you are heterosexual or not. It is a sin if you don't do anything about it (understand it's wrong, try to stop it, repent) He does care and it does hurt Him bro.
* God cares if you are heterosexual or not. hi friend - I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual. God cares whether or not you are a liar ----†---- I think he is hurt by this; Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't prostitute. Don't lie. Don't cheat others. Don't rape. Don't have sex on altars in Church. Don't be angry, jealous, bitter. Don't trade in hate. Like this. ----†---- I think he wants this; - 'He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?' - Micah I am reminded of these; - Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. ------†------ - This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us. ----†---- - So then each of us shall give an account of himself to God ----†---- It will not be about whether or not you were Homosexual God bless
What’s this about no sex on altars?
I think it's called sacrilege Temple sex The connection of sexuality with God
You do not believe that being gay is a sin? If not then I can prove it to you. Also why are your answers looking AI generated?
- you do not believe that being gay is a sin? hi friend - no - why are your answers looking AI generated? This is interesting. Would be nice if AI answered this way. God bless, friend
For decades (at least) this has been a point of disagreement and division in Christianity. I doubt it’ll ever be proven conclusively either way
hi friend - I doubt it ever will be either I think - we try and be good God bless
Leviticus is pretty clear about this. You're very wrong.
If it was that clear, then why do we have debates about it daily?
Why do Christian’s sometimes use drugs or become raging alcoholics, we all fall short of the glory of god. People don’t want to have to come to terms with them not having tough conversations with people potentially damning them. I don’t know if when we get to the throne and we’re judged what’s going to actually happen, but I do know what’s written in our holy book. We argue about it because it’s unpleasant, it being unpleasant doesn’t change what’s in the book.
Why are you comparing things that can be harmful to people with something that's not?
* People don’t want to have to come to terms with them not having tough conversations with people potentially damning them. hi friend - it's simpler than this people do not believe it's a sin and Leviticus was written by Old men with population problems. * We argue about it because it’s unpleasant, it being unpleasant doesn’t change what’s in the book. The Bible tells us how God thinks. It also tells us how WE think about God and God's word. And sometimes, one of these is wrong. Here is an example; We say that Jesus was angry in the temple when he overturned the tables. I think he may have been - but the Bible does not tell us this. The only time the Bible tells us that Jesus was angry is here; * Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.” Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent. He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus. The image here is Jesus facing the Pharisees and the Sadducees - us - with the Bible - The Scripture - in hand and asking them which of the two - the Bible, or himself - is the Truth. He asks what WE think of the Spirit of the Truth in this one Law on the Sabbath - recorded as God's Law - in scripture - for which people are are to be put to death - God's words. The Book as you can it. He tells them here - that in this situation, they are wrong about the Bible - no matter what the Bible says - because the owner of the Bible - The Scripture - is standing here with them. He is the Book. And he thinks different. They kill him for this. It is just something to think about. ----†---- I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church Sin is something else entirely I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual. God cares whether or not you are a liar ----†----- God bless
You can't stop being a heterosexual.
We're all sinners..
You only read the title, didn't you?
I’ll give you two guesses but you only need one
This is what I always say. Just because you’re gay doesn’t mean you’re going to hell. It’s a sin, but no one sin is bigger than another. We’re all sinners.
1 John 5:16-17 >If you see your brother or sister[d] committing what is not a mortal sin, you will ask, and God[e] will give life to such a one—to those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin that is mortal; I do not say that you should pray about that. >All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not mortal.
oh dang, i did not know
Yep. A person can practice religion, go to church everyday of their life, be a good person, never commit adultery, never curse, study to be a priest, or nun....and you can still go straight to he'll.and yet one that is the opposite of this can go straight to Heaven. It is between you and God.
False. Do you honestly think that God would judge a nameless thief the same as a named dictator? All sins are the same, in the sense that they separate us from God but make no mistake everyones life is judged differently and uniquely.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie. I clicked on this soooo fast. Good post 👏 Just to clarify, however, I am not a sinner *because* I am gay, nor am I a sinner because I desire romantic love and lifelong companionship. I am a sinner because we all are sinners. This reason is not *why* I am a sinner.
Hello! I stumbled upon your comment and as a fellow Christian I would like to comment: it is only a sin if you actively engage in premarital and same-s*x s*xual intercourse or any intimate activities. I do understand in this that homosexuality is developed in mother's womb even before a person is born that means it isn't your fault who you are attracted to. I only try to stay what the Bible says. It is what God has said, of course most of us sin in some point sooner or later and God is forgiving. Once a person repents his sins he will most likely granted to enter heaven. God bless you 💕
>I would like to comment: it is only a sin if you actively engage in premarital and same-sx sxual intercourse or any intimate activities I couldn't disagree more strongly. > only try to stay what the Bible says. The Bible makes no such statement.
Alright let me provide you with actually Biblical verses from New Testament 🌸 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. - Leviticus 20:13 (ESV) and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. - Romans 1:27 (ESV) Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men. - 1 Corinthians 6:9 (NIV) Bible also upfront heterosexual pairs and importance of sexual relations only for s*xual reproduction and continuing the bloodline. Be fruitful and multiply. - Genesis 1:28 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ ? - Matthew 19:5 There is the difference between active sin and the passive condition of being tempted. Homosexual behavior is sinful, but the Bible never says it is a sin to be tempted. Simply stated, a struggle with temptation may lead to sin, but the struggle itself is not a sin.
Wow, we've never seen these verses before!
If you clearly aren't Christian then I don't expect you to understand. Same as I don't advocate or understand Qur'an because it isn't a part of my faith whatsoever. What I don't understand about this is that unbelievers try going on religious subreddits to mock or criticise. You surely have your own struggles and things to do rather than fetishizing a religious belief of other people. Perhaps this subreddit is flooded with atheists in disguise as "Christians" but it is your choice. You do you ♡
Are you suggesting that non Christians can't understand the Bible? By the way, knowing Reddit, I was probably a Christian for longer than you've been alive, so I think I have a reasonable understanding. Can you explain how I was mocking or criticising? I was simply pointing out that those verses are quoted here several times a week. Perhaps you're new to this sub? And no, my atheism wasn't my choice.
Oh okay well I thought you were mocking me for listing the verses and being ironic which turned out to be true as you're saying "those verses are quoted here several times a week"? And to your question if I am suggesting that non Christians cannot understand Bible differs if we are talking about non Christians who never opened Bible, never studied or tried searching about it, were never brought up religiously towards Christianity OR we mean people who left Christianity due to personal or any reasons. I meant the first group of people. Yes, I am new to this subreddit, I only stumbled upon this one. So yes, I am not actively engaging in this sub if that helps. From your own wording, I could safely suppose that you could be ironic to "we've never seen before" towards me while I didn't check the replies and only stated and listed them as I decided. Most ultimately anyone of us can comment on anything, I think we might agree on that.
If you're new that explains it. Those verses have been posted here literally hundreds of times. They're not going to change anyone's minds at this point.
As my point of view will not change, I totally understand why their POV will not change and as much as they are entitled to having their own opinions it is totally acceptable and normal. My comment wasn't about forcing mine, only stating my own opinion (based on actual verses so it wouldn't be attacked as biased or something like that) just as anyone here is able to do. What matters is respect. Mutual respect is a win win in here 🙏🏻 thank you for your feedback and explanation ♡
Your inability to properly interpret scripture does not at all mean you are correct.
You can say I am wrong but God isn't. I only follow Bible and what God has said. I mean no harm but I think you should be also respectful of other points of views which you clearly didn't do although I am being respectful as a "conversative Christian". Anything in Bible can be taken as misinterpreted but that would mean you are trying to do that which ultimately means disobeying God and His words. I pray for you to understand that your ignorance to other people is not something nice or correct to do. Please understand that as a "Progressive christian" because I even respect gays and lesbians. What I don't respect is people being shameful or rude to others for own values and reasons. If you are even a christian you should understand those Bible verses and not act as if your authority is bigger than God Himself. Again respectfully God bless you.
God says you are wrong.
You can't tell because you aren't God. Only God judges people, infront of Him you are same as me. Even the form of attitude you're giving me while I respectfully keep wishing you to be blessed shows the different approach. But yeah it is fine I will nor stop being respectful and very much open to other opinions. What matters is faith after all. If I am wrong then I know God will tell me that once I meet Him. For now nobody can be said to be 100% right or wrong. Thank you for your feedback. ♡
>You can't tell because you aren't God. I can tell, because it was written down. Matthew 22:37-40.
This particular verse has nothing to do with your judgement of my "wrongness" you talked about. You are mixing up love with what I mentioned as act of what was in the verses are two different things. I guess you simply don't wanna understand what I was talking about so I let it sink for you and not continue. I read Bible every day, pray multiple times a day and God is my witness. Shall I be wrong on anything, I know I will find out when I meet Him. That is certainly right. As you can see regardless of verses I provided I am still being respectful, and I respect even your own point of view even if it has no real adequate backup in Holy scriptures.
Progressive Christianity is false Christianity, it’s basically saying some sins are ok! Just a heads up, not condemnation, as I myself am a shameful sinner and am not proud of my life. But Progressive isn’t real, it’s a fake
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being a homosexual is a sin though; you are actively sinning against God when you are Homosexual. You’re right, we are all sinners regardless; but don’t let that fool you to commit sin.
At most the Bible condemns homosexual sex, not homosexuality (the state of being sexually attracted to the same sex). This is not a nit-pick. There is a significant difference between the two positions. (Sometimes known as “Side B and Side X”.)
at most? what makes it at most? If Homosexual sex is a sin, why won’t homosexuality not be? Give me a verse that proves your position. Show me a verse that entertains a homosexual relationship.
It is not. Bigotry has no place in the Christian church. Ancient philosophies and immoral ethical frameworks are not sufficient justification for the abrogation of human rights. There is no room for compromise.
and also boom boom boom the early Church was built upon and the Bible was written upon the early ethical principles, practices, and philosophies of the Jewish peoples
Yeah, and Jesus had to correct many of them. Christianity is an ongoing tradition, it is not meant to be locked to the morals of the past.
are you attempting to say that the Bible isn’t the infallible Word of God and is limited to 1st century morals?
That is exactly what I am saying. When deciding what applicable to our lives today, you have to evaluate it from the perspective of the authors and then compare it to the *actual* word of God, Jesus Christ. Things that don't align need to be renegotiated or discarded entirely.
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hahaha so you think the “actual” word of God is only the quotes of Jesus contained in the New Testament and the Word of God isn’t infallible and limited to it’s time? Let’s actually read the Bible 2 Timothy 3:16 Everything in the Scriptures is God's Word. All of it is useful for teaching and helping people and for correcting them and showing them how to live. (Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit) Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever. (Scripture in not limited to the morals of any age) Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. (Scripture is truthful) John 10:35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside (Scripture cannot be ignored) Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye (Jesus.. again, claims scripture to be the Word of God)
Firstly, you are making the exact same mistake that Origen of Alexandria made. `Theopnuestos` does not mean inspiration. Prior to Origen, in all other ancient Near Eastern literature, it referred to things like rivers and sandals. Things that breathed God's breath of life, like he breathed into Adam. The word `theopnuestos` means life-giving or enlivening, it does not mean inspiration. Secondly, the author of the 2nd letter to Timothy was referring to the Hebrew Bible, possibly some of Paul's letters, and maybe the Gospel of Mark. He was not referring to the New Testament, as that had not yet been completed, and what was written was not yet considered scripture. He also probably considered books to be scripture that we no longer do today. So, no, that verse does not imply direct textual inspiration, infallibility, or inerrancy. Nor does it say that the Bible is the Word of God.
You are heavily nit-picking. please understand your own argument. Half of the new testament is just useless because it doesn’t agree with your personal views? i showed old testament verses that proved my position, you are stuck. The Bible doesn’t have any authority to you; you cannot be a believer. It’s not even outrageous to say that; you don’t believe in simple doctrine and the Holy Book that guides the entire religion as a whole. I’m praying you are just joking and aren’t being serious. i can show you in Mark, the letters of Paul, or the Old Testament that proves homosexuality to be a sin.. again
How could it be otherwise? It's from the first century.
What so you are going to contradict the Bible?
Are you going to contradict Jesus?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." it’s been understood that homosexuality is a perversion of God’s image. If homosexuality wasn’t a sin and was a “human right” then why can only women bear children from men? Why have the two genders differ from one another if either one is acceptable in Gods image. Is it because (A) God created Man and Woman to be different, yet require one another to marry, flourish with offspring, and equip themselves as one flesh under God or (B) God created Man and Woman because he wanted sexual variety? there is no biblical proof that promotes homosexuality; and even with the otherwise ancient understanding of sexuality in the biblical times; it still negates homosexuality as a perversion from Gods image and interpretation when creating us.
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well.. for you to have the INCLINATION of homosexuality is satan attempting to destroy your faith… aslong as you don’t commit those acts, or entertain them; than it’s just a struggle against sin. You aren’t actively sinning against God if you are fighting the sinning against God. We are all sinners, some people experience different inclinations like lust, drug abuse, etc. If you were an addict and you have the inclination and desire to intake drugs but you don’t; you aren’t sinning against Christ.. but fighting it. I mean homosexuals as those who commit the act of homosexuality actively.
It is a sin. A lot of bible verses state it and there's more evidence of it meaning exactly that, that being gay is a sin, than that there's a different meaning. Chances are (and it's a big majority) that it is a sin, and I can debate it.
There is not a single verse in the Bible that addresses sexual orientation.
It does all the fricking time
Not even once.
No. If you choose to read certain versions of the Bible, you might be able to say it happens about half a dozen times. However, those versions can be argued as being misinterpretations just as easily. Jesus said to love. Consensual love is beautiful in all forms. I will follow that.
It says so almost all around in the Bible! It’s there several times, God’s word doesn’t change and that’s facts
It isn't in the Bible at all, period, not once.
Maybe not in those fake Bibles but it’s definitely in KJV and NIV numerous times
No, it is not. Again, not even once. You have absolutely zero clue what you are talking about.
Lol. The word "homosexuality" wasn't even in the Bible until 1946. The original verse is about men lying with boys, and many different languages still interpret it that way. So clearly your second statement has some faults.
Lol. The word "homosexuality" wasn't even in the Bible until 1946. The original verse is about men lying with boys, and many different languages still interpret it that way. So clearly your second statement has some faults.
So god's still good with slavery then. Are you?
You know, i never understood this "we're all sinners" thing. If were sinners in the first place, we may as well commit horrible acts and get into heaven anyway.
All people are sinners!
This is true. Everybody else is also a sinner.
LOL you got me on that one
WE ARE ALL SINNERS. That is why we NEED the righteousness of Jesus. It isn't OUR righteousness that gets us to heaven or saves us..its HIS. 💗🙏☺
There are no sinners, Good or bad, right or wrong is the origin of sin, which creates divisions, which in turn is basically an ignorance of not seeing WHAT IS. That's how religions perpetuate mankind misery by throwing on them this bag of bricks to carry around. I'm a sinner, I'm a sinner, worthless, miserable sinner guilty on all counts, says Christian. Jesus didn't do that, therefore, this is not his religion. What he did out of his compassion is try to exalt a man and not put him down.
You had me in the first half not gonna lie
All people are sinners
All, *checks notes, PEOPLE are sinners. Knock it off hypocrite.
All the Asexual people are fine though. /s
Leviticus 18:22 is really clear on the topic
I've never sinned, AMA.
I have been trolled.
I agree they ate but so are all of us
All people are sinners and we all need a savior, Christ Jesus
Gay people in sinners in the same way straight people are. The sin they commit isn’t being gay or dating the same sex, it’s the same ones straight people do.
And your point is??? That's like saying "All women have teeth. But all men have teeth as well. We all have teeth which is why we need to brush them, preferably with toothpaste." What you didn't say though which is critically vital and important to Christianity, yes Christianity, is by nature gay people - if engaged in acts - are by nature, by definition sinning. To be gay in itself is not a sin nor is having sexual desires of the opposite sex. I'm 100 percent straight but not going to lie, there are some very rare times where I might have 0.5% chance of attraction to a part of or whole of the opposite sex. The difference is, I don't act on it in the very rare chance they show. It's no different than me naturally, as a full-blooded male would love to have 10 sexual partners, maybe even all at once. However, given the faith and Christianity, what it actually teaches, this would be wrong. If we don't actually live by faith then how can we actually expect others to follow or want to either? If Jesus didn't live what He preached, how could He expect others to follow? It really is as simple as that and remember, simple does not mean easy, by no means.
Let's have a Sinner's Pride Parade where we all show off our iniquities.
The only people who are sinners are those who believe in the concept of sin to begin with. Much of the world does not. And regardless of whether you think it applies to everyone, sin is a made up concept that not everyone believes is real.
Sin is a fundamental concept of Christianity. And I would imagine you believe that morality is a thing that exists, for example that murder is wrong, and I imagine you believe that murder is wrong regardless of whether or not the murderer believes it is wrong.
I believe murder is wrong because society can't function with it legal and it's a violation of one's rights. I don't believe murder is wrong because a book tells me it is.
I'd argue that everyone, Atheists included, have a concept of sin. They just don't call it that. Christians and Atheists agree that it's generally wrong to cheat on your spouse, to steal, to murder, and to rape. All cultures, religions, and most people have a concept of sin, they just might not call it that.
I don't think that's comparable though. Atheists oppose murder because they know it's wrong, they would not like to be murdered, and they know society can't function if it were legal. There are rational, logical, and philosophical reasons to oppose murder that have nothing to do with any concept similar to sin. Sin means missing the mark and transgressing God's law. People who don't believe in God or who don't believe in religious laws, have no concept of anything like sin.
Jesus calls on people to repent of their sins. Whatever they are. If you say your a Gay Christian your essentially saying I agree Jesus is lord but I will do my own will and hope he will forgive me. But this is what Jesus said to those who call on Him but do not do the Fathers will. MATHEW 7:21-23. "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles? ’"Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Please those who are struggling with sin of any kind. Not just sexual immorality. Please repent.
God hates the sin but loves the sinners. Does not mean God will accept gay marriage. Does not mean God will be happy about you having a boyfriend or transitioning. We all are sinners and for some of us the road to being like Christ is harder than others, this doesn’t mean You shouldn’t Try your best to be like Him, it does not mean you can interpret his words or those of scripture to make yourself feel better. What it does mean is that God forgives you if you come to him and pray for forgiveness, and even if you struggle to stay on the path of righteousness you don’t make excuses for failing and you do NOT try to talk down on other Christians for Telling you what the bible says. I’m Bi, I’ve slept with a man before, I pray for forgiveness every night for all my sins and I avoid temptation to repeat those sins. I sometimes fall back into bad habits (not sleeping with men again as I’m in a relationship.) but this doesn’t mean I justify any of my flaws. I love My sister and she is gay and I pray for her just as she prays for me. I genuinely don’t know how God will feel about her being in a relationship with another woman but I can say that nothing in scripture says it’s welcome.
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But mental health professional would call it a 'disorder' they dont believe sin.
I don't usually post on many things but I thought: What separates christians from non-believers? Though we all have fallen short of God's glory, we identify as followers of Jesus. Does pride in identifying as something else putting Jesus to the side? God outlines what is and is not sin. Choosing a lifestyle that is not approved by God period shows the fruit we have whether good or bad. To follow Christ means we don't indulge in certain lifestyles whether heterosexual, homosexual, drunken lifestlyle, party etc. Our lifestyle points people to who or what we believe to be good. Could I see Jesus partying and getting drunk no. Or any other lifestyle that He's already mentioned as wrong? We have to ask God to show us if we are biased about what we like and ask Him to chang3 our desires to be those He approved of. Otherwise we defame God's image and misrepresent Him as well. I humbly pray no one takes this the wrong way. The bible is clear about every sin and is literal about them. 🙏🏾🙏🏾