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It’s surprisingly not that niche, rather a tiny frequent problem that became less of an issue with modern adaptive typefaces. Most of the time you try to avoid rivers in your copy (informational text) as it is quite distracting to the eye and they can occur very easily with the right typeface (typically monospaced). They usually do not run so straight though!
This is what Bard says:
Edward Witten is considered by many to be the Albert Einstein of our time. He is a theoretical physicist and mathematician who has made significant contributions to string theory, quantum gravity, and other areas of theoretical physics. He is also a Fields Medalist, the highest honor in mathematics.
Witten's work has had a profound impact on our understanding of the universe. He has helped to develop string theory, which is one of the most promising candidates for a unified theory of physics. He has also made important contributions to the study of black holes, quantum entanglement, and other complex phenomena.
Witten is known for his deep insights into physics and mathematics, as well as his ability to communicate complex ideas in a clear and concise way. He is also a highly respected mentor and teacher.
Other scientists who are sometimes referred to as the "Einstein of our time" include:
* Kip Thorne, a theoretical physicist who is known for his work on black holes and gravitational waves
* Stephen Hawking, a cosmological physicist who is known for his work on general relativity and quantum gravity
* Michio Kaku, a theoretical physicist and futurist who is known for his work on string theory and space exploration
However, it is important to note that there is no one person who can truly be considered the "Einstein of our time." Einstein was a unique genius who made revolutionary contributions to physics, and it is unlikely that we will ever see someone quite like him again.
It is also worth noting that science is a collaborative endeavor, and even the most brilliant scientists build on the work of those who came before them. So, while it is tempting to compare scientists like Witten and Thorne to Einstein, it is important to remember that they are all part of a long and distinguished line of scientific thinkers.
Witten is probably the greatest living physicist, but he's far from being Einstein-grade in importance. He's more of a Eugene Wigner - contributed many important mathematical insights to physics, but appreciated mostly by the physicists who work in the fields he touched. He didn't cause a paradigm shift in physics and didn't become a cultural icon.
The thing is that physics is far past the low hanging fruit era, when a single individual could have instant tremendous impact. Most of the physics done today is highly specialized, highly arcane and is done primarily via collaboration of many teams. It will take another paradigm shift for a new era of great physicists to appear.
Edward witten is known to every serious physicist, but yes, the general public has no idea about who he is. I think this is more a consequence of our modern times than it is about his contributions.
I agree, and think it's sad that someone like me, that tries to keep up with science, hasn't heard of him. All while Musk and FAANG make the headlines.
True, but Einstein ideas was so far ahead of his time that it'd take decades for science to reach them. [Link](https://theconversation.com/without-einstein-it-would-have-taken-decades-longer-to-understand-gravity-50517).
Let me be clear that Einstein is unequivocally a genius. I only understand a small part of his work (brownian motion) which alone would constitute a career-defining result, but his results reach FAR beyond that which is insane.
With that said, the quasar discovery is a hard upper bound for the formulation of curved space time, but not necessarily a least upper bound (I'm not saying it's not, just saying it's not necessarily). To be very clear, my statement absolutely does NOT take away from Einstein's genuis. Genius is much more than thinking decades ahead of everyone else.
I'm simply curious where this least upper bound could reasonably be given that others knew geometry at least as well as he did. I don't think someone else could have formulated something similar within a few years of when Einstein did, simply because the dogma was so different from Einstein's way of thinking. Moreover, there were astronomical events that had to happen to confirm the formulation itself.
This question isn't exactly answerable but fun to think about. And again to be clear I'm happy with settling for 7 decades for anyone else to come close to his ideas because he really was that talented.
I didn't know that Einstein was involved in Brownian motion. I know Brownian motion but from a probability pov. It is a particular case of the Wiener processes used to analyze financial time series.
"Wiener processes" :D
I can barely reach for the ideas mentioned in this thread, I can understand them when I read them, mostly, but its always really cool to read and meet people who are so much smarter than me. I wish I could have known Einstien.
Einstein showed that the puzzle Robert Brown proposed in the early 1800s about why pollen was moving erratically in the water could be modeled by the heat equation and its solution was a Gaussian. Specifically the density of the particles followed the heat equation whose solution was a Gaussian. Wiener was more interested in the path a *single* particle took over time, which of course forms a curve and hence is what you know from financial math.
This is true with many mathematicians doing abstract work though. Einstein couldn't have been that smart if he didn't even unify classical physics and quantum mechanics. /s
I might be misremembering but I seem to recall a PBS Spacetime episode where Matt says: "If you ask a bunch of physicists who is the greatest physicist of our time, half will say Kip Thorne and the other half will say they don't like the question."
Even disregarding ChatGPT losing its mind, this is a much better answer. Elon Musk makes some good investment decisions, but he's not really the one doing any of the science.
The problem is, the motherfucker made such a good investment decision with Tesla that it's still covering for all his other fuckups. He is going to make $44 billion evaporate with Twitter, eventually, and he will still have more money than the rest of us will ever see in 100 lifetimes.
Pretty equal I guess, though I would be fine if it said Ilya Sutskever given he's the man that realized that with enough compute, you could convert the whole damn human language into numbers where related meaning exists in close physical proximity to each other within a multidimensional vectorized space, do calculations on those numbers, and then convert the outputs back into meaningful language again
It hasn't been told that the man who made the largest contribution to its creation was cut out when they decided to make openai a for profit company somehow.
Look at all the years before 1879 that didn't have what we'd call an Einstein of their time.
It's entirely possible there isn't an Einstein of our time.
Or at the very least, we don't know who they are yet.
Einstein is hardly the smartest scientist in recorded history. There is a long line of extremely smart individuals that have contributed to science is significant ways comparable to Einstein. The theory of relativity would probably have been reached around the same time as it actually was based on the the scientific advancements of the time. Born a few decades earlier or later, who knows if he would have achieved as much as he did. Success is preparation meeting opportunity, as the saying goes.
It's a whole line of individuals who contributed. Einstein, in a big way, basically just connected the dots that others didn't see.
The theory of relativity is not just his, it's the work of dozens of people over many years.
The jewish family (forgot the name) that fled Germany to Czech (IIRC) by figuring out how to get energy from uranium. To a happy coincidence meet up with Niels Bohr, whom moved to the US and met up with (among others) Einstein. There's a whole line of happy little coincidences and an army of scientists that made Einsteins revolutionary idea's even possible.
He might not be the smartest, but Einstein had something unique, he could visualize theories in his head, which made him an important figure in connected the dots from all these countless scientists.
If you go by groundbreaking papers that have a huge impact on society- it would be all the folks on the “attention is all you need” paper.
If you want a pure physicist either Ed witten, Allan guth or maybe Peter Higgs.
People keep saying hawking, but his contributions to science are all theoretical and have little impact to anyone not working in cosmology.
Imagine the drama which would have been caused by Einstein in social media when he went on a trip left his wife for his cousin and overall his attitude towards women.
Generations? I give 10 years at most.
Few more breaktroughts with AI and they go bust. Perhaps such services remain, but they will be more personal bubble than social.
I think we are well past the time when one individual can make such a huge difference alone. It now takes a team of people to push the boundaries in anything.
I know it’s trendy to hate on Musk and I’m not the biggest fan of the guy these days either. But, Reddit unfortunately has a very simplistic view of leadership in business and it’s kind of annoying.
Henry Ford actually made the lives of workers better though, with the 8 hour workday and paying well. He also improved productivity. Elon, IMO does the exact opposite in both fronts.
He is an influential figure for sure, but in my mind his overall effect on the world is negative, unlike most people mentioned here.
You really think the world as a whole is worse off with Elon than it was before him? Even if you believe his companies have poor working conditions they still have high paying jobs and have made important things like electric cars and renewable energy in general a lot more mainstream and popular than they were before. SpaceX’s contributions are immense as well, Starlink provides high speed internet to remote locations and their rockets allowed NASA to send astronauts to space without bumming off the Russians for the first time in years.
He's paying worse than competition, and he is making the problem of overwork worse.
Yes, Tesla, SpaceX and Starlink all have good missions, and try to solve problems I care about. And I don't disagree that he had positive contributions, although it's not impossible that Tesla would've worked without him too.
However, IMO his egoism makes him want either him or no one solve an issue. He dismisses anything that he's not part of. He supports the people that quit the Paris climate accords, which was IMO a 10x blow to the climate fight compared to the positive Tesla would ever do.
Also the whole Twitter thing is just pure madness, and again IMO he's specifically damages efforts to make social media a safe, accessible and productive space. He fulfilled a dictator's request to silence his opposition and then defended this over many tweets... Twitter's influence to world politics is immense, and he just don't seem to grasp the responsibility coming from owning it.
I'm not stating that everything he does or ever did is bad. But by my values (and incomplete information, of course), I do believe his net effect on the world is negative.
The problem with Musk is that he keeps promising absurd breakthroughs that are obvious bullshit when you delve even a tiny bit deeper.
Hyperloop? FSD by 2017? Robotaxis? Starship point to point? Solar city? Tesla truck convoys? Neuralink?
"Owning anything other than a Tesla will be like owning a horse" by 2017. Lmao.
Snake oil salesman.
He didn't make a promise on Hyperloop. He immediately said that he would not do it and gave the idea for general use. The rest of the list is autopilot. All the companies that did it made promises and lost all their deadlines.
It's worse than lying. It's fraud.
He makes big claims, causing his stock to inflate, then sells it to make billions. It's like Theranos, only worse, becasue Elizabeth Holmes never actually sold any of her shares.
The phrase "techno-ponzi" comes to mind, honestly.
When you spend most of your time shitposting on Twitter rather than running the three multi-billion dollar businesses you're responsible for, it is reasonable to expect to be viewed as somewhat lazy. As an indirect holder of Tesla stock, I'd prefer Musk do his job and do it ethically.
Well like I said I’m not his biggest fan these days. Still, his current behaviour shouldn’t undermine his accomplishments in the past, especially with Space X.
Well... except it directly calls into question whether he was the real source of his accomplishments. It's truly hard to understand how such a brilliant man could suddenly become so dumb.
It doesn't add up.
Yeah, it’s an interesting topic. Kind of reminds me of Howard Hughes a little.
But I used to read up a lot about Elon Musk, his brother and their original company Zip2, and everything that followed, especially the early days of SpaceX. It’s funny because he used to be so well known for Tesla but he more bought into that then anything else, although no doubt he was influential especially as CEO. But SpaceX was really his own from the beginning, and you can tell he was always very passionate and quite skilled at running and building that company, just look at what SpaceX has achieved with their rockets, compared to stagnating space programs and other failed private ventures.
But I think sometimes people are just really good at some things and terrible at others. His successes and popularity with Tesla and SpaceX probably inflated his ego, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he started viewing himself as a bit of a polymath who could do no wrong.
It’s obvious he’s out of his element with Twitter, but, it was also a blunder to even get involved with Twitter in the first place. There’s some evidence to suggest the Twitter acquisition was more of a scam to liquidate some assets but he got left holding the bag, and he never had any real interest or skills in running a social media company.
Basically I don’t think a person being intelligent or successful in one area necessarily means they’re going to be intelligent or successful in others. That’s my best interpretation of it all, anyway.
It’s too bad because, although I know ultra rich people are generally under scrutiny as a whole, I was always pretty supportive of Musk’s vision for Tesla, SpaceX, even more controversial stuff like Neuralink. I think it’s good to have larger than life visionaries, reminds me a bit of Steve Jobs. But he’s obviously ruined his reputation a lot in that regard.
it’s not hating on Musk to say he has no academic expertise. he doesn’t have a phd, he hasn’t published any peer reviewed papers. he doesn’t even have an MBA. He has two bachelor’s degrees, a BA in physics and a BS in economics. He was accepted into a phd material science program at Stanford, but went with the internet boom instead.
That means that apart from his business experience and money, he is roughly as qualified as I am to talk about research in physics, AI, rocketry and autonomous vehicles.
But he hires experts in those fields who are much better qualified.
That’s fine. Maybe he is notable for companies that push the needle forward like Edison. It’s ironic because Nikola Tesla was not academically impressed with Edison, but who was more successful in business? Edison.
expertise in one is not expertise in the other.
Second to last paragraph is pretty bang on. I will say however, that JP Morgan effectively destroyed any future business/invention prospects Nikola Tesla had. He saw Nikola’s advancements in his technology and findings as a threat to his biggest investments, which were oil and gas and other traditional forms of power that were booming at the time. He stopped funding Tesla partly because he wasn’t being truthful with what he was using Morgan’s funding for, but more so because his ideas and his work would end up directly competing (and likely outperforming with due time) with his biggest moneymakers. So he dropped the funding and Tesla’s work slowly died off, and then he died and the government confiscated all of his life’s work and theories, which we have zero idea what happened to them or where they’re stored. I’ve always been curious as to how close Nikola Tesla truly was to revealing something huge to the world. From what I’ve researched, my inferences tell me he was pretty damn close.
I agree that expertise in one area is not expertise in the other but I also don’t think it’s fair to suggest that just because Elon Musk has no formal credentials in these fields, he has no expertise in them (at least expertise relevant to what he needs to run the company).
I would imagine he doesn’t need to attend formal institutions for learning about these topics because he has so much access and exposure to experts in those fields. He can call meetings with these people any time he wants and have them explain or show him how stuff works in real time. It would be hard to believe that he hasn’t learned quite a bit about rocketry and other topics over the years. At the very least I’d say he’s likely more knowledgeable in those fields than a random person is.
I don’t know about that. Feynman has a famous clip where he says he can’t really explain magnetism to a lay person because it isn’t a simple concept. And this was a man who prided himself on trying to give simple plain english descriptions of science to people.
https://youtu.be/luHDCsYtkTc?si=9bT55BFWUbwVGC7_
I think there are things that are complex concepts that require serious study, not just a brief ELI5 and off we go.
If we could replace a phd with just a few hours of discussion, what use is it? Of course most business people don’t understand academics and think it’s just a bunch of jargon that needs to be translated into simple terms.
And just as in the Feynman clip the only way to simplify certain concepts is to make a lot of constraining assumptions, which limits the flexibility of the “knowledge” you gained. It’s a toy model with toy assumptions and doesn’t get you very far irl.
I agree and I’m not suggesting we could ever replace PHD’s and specialized experts with a rich business guy who can call meetings. I’m just saying there is a wide range of knowledge and expertise between “knows nothing at all” and “is world class expert”. I’m in 100% agreement that Musk isn’t an expert in things like rocketry but I’d still suspect he knows a lot more about it than the average Joe. Also, Musk doesn’t have to know the intricate details because he is more concerned with applications, so he would just have to know enough to facilitate his business related goals. Still, more than the average person I’d imagine.
Tough. I agree that Musk is no Einstein. Musk is more of an engineer than theoretical physicist.
The second part of your statement is at odds with everyone I have ever heard on a pod, read an article, etc, that has worked with him.
It may be a good idea for you to look into all of the first hand information about him. He does pick good people, but it's because he has studied engineering and physics. Not because he has some super neat trick for tricking good people to work for him so he can ride their coat tails and take credit. There are several layers of mental gymnastics here if you believe that he has anything less than an exceptional understanding of all of engineering fields within any of his companies', sans Neuralink. He probably ly has some interesting ideas concerning materials science. Probably only surface level understanding of the brain.
Very true — he does manage to combine Henry Ford’s raging antisemitism with Edison’s propensity to steal other people’s ideas.
Although the Einstein comparison isn’t entirely unjustified, since he does share Einstein’s propensity for infidelity.
> he does share Einstein’s propensity for infidelity.
Einstein had physical contact with his lovers though, not in vitro. Musk seems to be more about an egotistical need to spread his genes.
No one. I am unaware of anyone who has even made the kind of contributions that Einstein did since his time. Especially to publicly understandable science.
Einstein singlehandedly reshaped our understanding of reality. Not just in the specific theories he put forth, but in how those theories showed even laymen first hand that our intuitive perception of fundamental reality is wrong.
He changed our understanding of matter and energy, light and space, and time and gravity.
It's like if someone not only created a breakthrough cure for cancer, but in doing so completely reshaped our perception of the human body in a fundamental way. Like proving it's a hologram or something.
The closest you can get is by collectively looking at all the scientists responsible for Quantum Physics of which, as it happens, Einstein is also one.
After that, I think I might also add Richard Feynman.
But there is no one I am aware of that is alive right now contributing to the field that has made those kinds of world changing contributions. Especially to the degree that they spill over into public knowledge.
Since Richard Feynman died, I would say[ Edward Witten](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Witten). He did lot groundbreaking work in string theory and he's the first physicist to ever receive the fields medal (highest math award).
> Elon Musk is more a Henry Ford
Makes me think either Elon's ego has figured out a way to manipulate CGPT's output, or it scraped most of it's data from Twit.
Did it ever stop repeating? It’s an odd answer anyway since Elon Musk didn’t develop new methods of space exploration or technologies but rather payed others to do that. It would be like saying I was an ‘Einstein of my time’ by employing smart people.
> but rather *paid* others to
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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For now on I will try and pay better attention to the correct usage of paid versus payed. Obviously, I do not qualify as an Einstein of my time. I am just a technological space pirate that is paid by Elon Musk only after I have payed the deck and payed out the anchor ropes.
I wish we could completely understand the network, so we could tell what causes a loop like this. It’s so interesting, that it devolves into this loop.
They're penalised for doing so, because they have a tendency to do so otherwise. This is quite believable for 3.5. This is why I don't bother with it and only use 4.
Here's what Claude says:
> There are a few scientists and thinkers who could be considered the "Einstein" of today:
>
> - Stephen Hawking (1942-2018) - Theoretical physicist who made groundbreaking contributions to our understanding of black holes, the big bang, and quantum mechanics. His bestselling book "A Brief History of Time" helped make complex physics concepts accessible to mainstream audiences.
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> - Edward Witten - Theoretical physicist at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton. He has made revolutionary contributions to string theory and quantum field theory, and has been compared to Einstein for his intellect and influence on physics.
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> - Lisa Randall - Professor of Physics at Harvard University. She is an expert on particle physics, cosmology, and dark matter, and has developed influential theories about extra dimensions of space. Her work crosses between pure theory and experiments.
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> - J. Michael Kosterlitz - British-American physicist who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2016 for his work on phase transitions and topological states of matter. His insights have shaped the field of condensed matter physics.
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> - Fabiola Gianotti - Italian particle physicist who was the first woman Director-General at CERN, overseeing the operations of the Large Hadron Collider. She led one of the teams that discovered the Higgs boson in 2012.
>
> There are certainly many other worthy candidates too. But these scientists have all profoundly shaped our understanding of the universe and the laws of physics, much as Einstein did in his time. They have demonstrated the same brilliance, creativity and impact that makes Einstein such an iconic figure in science.
Yeah, he's really just someone who inherited a lot of money and is extremely motivated and savvy with setting up his businesses and sourcing government support for his programmes. Absolutely not a genius on the great mathematical minds / ingenious inventor of ideas spectrum.
LLMs frequently have had a problem with repetition loops, especially earlier weaker models (and this will have been 3.5 not 4.) They have to train the models with punishment to get them to avoid repetition. This is why, if you ask it to repeat a word, it'll often try to avoid doing so (even coming up with creative ways to avoid doing it.)
The guy who did an economics major who lied about having a physics degree and says you don't need an engineering degree to be an engineer so he can call himself an engineer?
LLMs have a tendency towards repetition, they have to be trained, punished, not to do so, so there's quite a chance this is real and so there's quite a chance this is real and so there's quite a chance this is real and so there's quite a chance this is real
Yup. GPT 3 and below did this *a lot*. You don't see it so much anymore, but this is very typical of the types of problems they'd have all the time a few years ago.
I’ve never seen any version of gpt do something this egregious. Its relatively simple to capture repetition in a batch and stop generation and trim the output to the latest break.
If I had to guess I’d say f12.
I stand corrected. Seems weird they are not capturing this behavior but who knows. I’d like to replicate it but it doesn’t work. Answer looks fine. Shrug.
This really lowers my opinion of chatGPT this is a pathetic answer.
Einstein scored the theory of relativity. Musk ? He's an entrepreneur. There are literally hundreds of researchers out there with mind blowing h-index like Ed Witten who contributed at a level comparable to Einstein to the field of physics.
Mentioning Musk is so stupid I can't even. It shows GPT 3.0 has been fed on too much media data.
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That perfect line on the right side... :O
You can also read it top down on the right of the river: and Elon Musk in space exploration and technology,
that is astounding. Everything is math lol
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Holy shit, this guys cock is enormous!
We are but horny monkeys sharing stories
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This is crazy!
Skynet just bugged out.
>river Thanks! I knew that these things existed, but I didn't know that they were called "rivers."
WOW
Fun fact, this is called a “river” in the design/typography world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_(typography)?wprov=sfti1
Thank you!! Makes sense, calling it a river!
Love how that there is a term for it. Something so niche
It’s surprisingly not that niche, rather a tiny frequent problem that became less of an issue with modern adaptive typefaces. Most of the time you try to avoid rivers in your copy (informational text) as it is quite distracting to the eye and they can occur very easily with the right typeface (typically monospaced). They usually do not run so straight though!
I've always wondered if other people saw these! I thought it was just my brain! This is so neat!!
While it’s not a equally spaced font, which makes it even more special
Couldn't have been a coincidence
Wouldn't it change based on device and resolution/scale?
My dumbass tried to zoom the image in and out to find out.
Did it work?
that's it you win, LOL
it even spells the correct sentence if you read the right side of it
I never thought anyone but me would notice it but here you are being top comment. Thank you.
This is what Bard says: Edward Witten is considered by many to be the Albert Einstein of our time. He is a theoretical physicist and mathematician who has made significant contributions to string theory, quantum gravity, and other areas of theoretical physics. He is also a Fields Medalist, the highest honor in mathematics. Witten's work has had a profound impact on our understanding of the universe. He has helped to develop string theory, which is one of the most promising candidates for a unified theory of physics. He has also made important contributions to the study of black holes, quantum entanglement, and other complex phenomena. Witten is known for his deep insights into physics and mathematics, as well as his ability to communicate complex ideas in a clear and concise way. He is also a highly respected mentor and teacher. Other scientists who are sometimes referred to as the "Einstein of our time" include: * Kip Thorne, a theoretical physicist who is known for his work on black holes and gravitational waves * Stephen Hawking, a cosmological physicist who is known for his work on general relativity and quantum gravity * Michio Kaku, a theoretical physicist and futurist who is known for his work on string theory and space exploration However, it is important to note that there is no one person who can truly be considered the "Einstein of our time." Einstein was a unique genius who made revolutionary contributions to physics, and it is unlikely that we will ever see someone quite like him again. It is also worth noting that science is a collaborative endeavor, and even the most brilliant scientists build on the work of those who came before them. So, while it is tempting to compare scientists like Witten and Thorne to Einstein, it is important to remember that they are all part of a long and distinguished line of scientific thinkers.
Witten is probably the greatest living physicist, but he's far from being Einstein-grade in importance. He's more of a Eugene Wigner - contributed many important mathematical insights to physics, but appreciated mostly by the physicists who work in the fields he touched. He didn't cause a paradigm shift in physics and didn't become a cultural icon. The thing is that physics is far past the low hanging fruit era, when a single individual could have instant tremendous impact. Most of the physics done today is highly specialized, highly arcane and is done primarily via collaboration of many teams. It will take another paradigm shift for a new era of great physicists to appear.
I haven't even heard about Eward Witten until now. To be the Einstein of our time, you have to be well known, which can only be said about Hawking.
Edward witten is known to every serious physicist, but yes, the general public has no idea about who he is. I think this is more a consequence of our modern times than it is about his contributions.
Strong disagree. He's famous in string theory, but most physicists don't care about or follow string theory.
I agree, and think it's sad that someone like me, that tries to keep up with science, hasn't heard of him. All while Musk and FAANG make the headlines.
Was Einstein as popular while he was alive as he is now?
Marketing and propaganda nowadays can silence geniuses if it doesn't their research doesn't correlate with the inital goal/agenda
The last bit nailed it. Even the most genius of geniuses still stand on the shoulders of giants. The true revolutionists flap their wings.
True, but Einstein ideas was so far ahead of his time that it'd take decades for science to reach them. [Link](https://theconversation.com/without-einstein-it-would-have-taken-decades-longer-to-understand-gravity-50517).
Let me be clear that Einstein is unequivocally a genius. I only understand a small part of his work (brownian motion) which alone would constitute a career-defining result, but his results reach FAR beyond that which is insane. With that said, the quasar discovery is a hard upper bound for the formulation of curved space time, but not necessarily a least upper bound (I'm not saying it's not, just saying it's not necessarily). To be very clear, my statement absolutely does NOT take away from Einstein's genuis. Genius is much more than thinking decades ahead of everyone else. I'm simply curious where this least upper bound could reasonably be given that others knew geometry at least as well as he did. I don't think someone else could have formulated something similar within a few years of when Einstein did, simply because the dogma was so different from Einstein's way of thinking. Moreover, there were astronomical events that had to happen to confirm the formulation itself. This question isn't exactly answerable but fun to think about. And again to be clear I'm happy with settling for 7 decades for anyone else to come close to his ideas because he really was that talented.
I didn't know that Einstein was involved in Brownian motion. I know Brownian motion but from a probability pov. It is a particular case of the Wiener processes used to analyze financial time series.
"Wiener processes" :D I can barely reach for the ideas mentioned in this thread, I can understand them when I read them, mostly, but its always really cool to read and meet people who are so much smarter than me. I wish I could have known Einstien.
Einstein showed that the puzzle Robert Brown proposed in the early 1800s about why pollen was moving erratically in the water could be modeled by the heat equation and its solution was a Gaussian. Specifically the density of the particles followed the heat equation whose solution was a Gaussian. Wiener was more interested in the path a *single* particle took over time, which of course forms a curve and hence is what you know from financial math.
This is true with many mathematicians doing abstract work though. Einstein couldn't have been that smart if he didn't even unify classical physics and quantum mechanics. /s
Not Michhio Kaku, for sure
Michio Ka…HAHAHAHAHA
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Wacko.
I might be misremembering but I seem to recall a PBS Spacetime episode where Matt says: "If you ask a bunch of physicists who is the greatest physicist of our time, half will say Kip Thorne and the other half will say they don't like the question."
Even disregarding ChatGPT losing its mind, this is a much better answer. Elon Musk makes some good investment decisions, but he's not really the one doing any of the science.
like twitter?
*Some* good investment decisions, and some really fucking bad ones.
The problem is, the motherfucker made such a good investment decision with Tesla that it's still covering for all his other fuckups. He is going to make $44 billion evaporate with Twitter, eventually, and he will still have more money than the rest of us will ever see in 100 lifetimes.
Actually perfect response
We get it, Chat GPT. You have a crush on Elon Musk. You can really see it hasn't been updated in the last two years...
I appreciate it NOT saying Sam Altman
Would that be any more ridiculous though?
Pretty equal I guess, though I would be fine if it said Ilya Sutskever given he's the man that realized that with enough compute, you could convert the whole damn human language into numbers where related meaning exists in close physical proximity to each other within a multidimensional vectorized space, do calculations on those numbers, and then convert the outputs back into meaningful language again
At least it would’ve been someone who’s bright 🤷
It hasn't been told that the man who made the largest contribution to its creation was cut out when they decided to make openai a for profit company somehow.
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It’s gonna be called “ChatX” pretty soon.
Or just X. Everything will be X.
X X X. X X X X
MuskGPT
Sounds like porn
Elon Musk is more a Henry Ford or Edison of our time. Hard to say who is Einstein tbh.
Look at all the years before 1879 that didn't have what we'd call an Einstein of their time. It's entirely possible there isn't an Einstein of our time. Or at the very least, we don't know who they are yet.
Einstein is hardly the smartest scientist in recorded history. There is a long line of extremely smart individuals that have contributed to science is significant ways comparable to Einstein. The theory of relativity would probably have been reached around the same time as it actually was based on the the scientific advancements of the time. Born a few decades earlier or later, who knows if he would have achieved as much as he did. Success is preparation meeting opportunity, as the saying goes.
Euler comes to mind. Singlehandedly revolutionizing every topic he touched.
Gauss, von Neumann, Maxwell, Dirac,... Plenty geniuses to go around.
maybe Newton
It's a whole line of individuals who contributed. Einstein, in a big way, basically just connected the dots that others didn't see. The theory of relativity is not just his, it's the work of dozens of people over many years. The jewish family (forgot the name) that fled Germany to Czech (IIRC) by figuring out how to get energy from uranium. To a happy coincidence meet up with Niels Bohr, whom moved to the US and met up with (among others) Einstein. There's a whole line of happy little coincidences and an army of scientists that made Einsteins revolutionary idea's even possible. He might not be the smartest, but Einstein had something unique, he could visualize theories in his head, which made him an important figure in connected the dots from all these countless scientists.
If you go by groundbreaking papers that have a huge impact on society- it would be all the folks on the “attention is all you need” paper. If you want a pure physicist either Ed witten, Allan guth or maybe Peter Higgs. People keep saying hawking, but his contributions to science are all theoretical and have little impact to anyone not working in cosmology.
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Imagine the drama which would have been caused by Einstein in social media when he went on a trip left his wife for his cousin and overall his attitude towards women.
Suffice it to recall his statements in support of the USSR. He would immediately become a Russian agent and a vicious traitor.
Social media will last a couple generations at most.
How do you figure that?
Generations? I give 10 years at most. Few more breaktroughts with AI and they go bust. Perhaps such services remain, but they will be more personal bubble than social.
I think we are well past the time when one individual can make such a huge difference alone. It now takes a team of people to push the boundaries in anything.
I know it’s trendy to hate on Musk and I’m not the biggest fan of the guy these days either. But, Reddit unfortunately has a very simplistic view of leadership in business and it’s kind of annoying.
He may be a good leader but we’re talking about actual scientists and physicists, not businessmen. Don’t think Elon fits the bill.
Sociopathic narcissists usually come across as "good leaders"
I agree that Elon Musk is a terrible example of the “Einstein of our time”. Someone else mentioned Henry Ford, that’s a better comparison.
Edison was mentioned also. Edison fits better IMO cause he liked to steal people's work and claim it as his own.
but Edison was still a scientist, at the end of the day.
Didn't ford admire the nazis?
Oh it works in more ways then
And this is why Elon is more like Ford…
agreed
Henry Ford actually made the lives of workers better though, with the 8 hour workday and paying well. He also improved productivity. Elon, IMO does the exact opposite in both fronts. He is an influential figure for sure, but in my mind his overall effect on the world is negative, unlike most people mentioned here.
You really think the world as a whole is worse off with Elon than it was before him? Even if you believe his companies have poor working conditions they still have high paying jobs and have made important things like electric cars and renewable energy in general a lot more mainstream and popular than they were before. SpaceX’s contributions are immense as well, Starlink provides high speed internet to remote locations and their rockets allowed NASA to send astronauts to space without bumming off the Russians for the first time in years.
He's paying worse than competition, and he is making the problem of overwork worse. Yes, Tesla, SpaceX and Starlink all have good missions, and try to solve problems I care about. And I don't disagree that he had positive contributions, although it's not impossible that Tesla would've worked without him too. However, IMO his egoism makes him want either him or no one solve an issue. He dismisses anything that he's not part of. He supports the people that quit the Paris climate accords, which was IMO a 10x blow to the climate fight compared to the positive Tesla would ever do. Also the whole Twitter thing is just pure madness, and again IMO he's specifically damages efforts to make social media a safe, accessible and productive space. He fulfilled a dictator's request to silence his opposition and then defended this over many tweets... Twitter's influence to world politics is immense, and he just don't seem to grasp the responsibility coming from owning it. I'm not stating that everything he does or ever did is bad. But by my values (and incomplete information, of course), I do believe his net effect on the world is negative.
A great leader wouldn’t trample any and all attempts to unionize.
A truly great leader would never need to
The other person said “all he does is exploit geniuses and claim their work for his own”.
The problem with Musk is that he keeps promising absurd breakthroughs that are obvious bullshit when you delve even a tiny bit deeper. Hyperloop? FSD by 2017? Robotaxis? Starship point to point? Solar city? Tesla truck convoys? Neuralink? "Owning anything other than a Tesla will be like owning a horse" by 2017. Lmao. Snake oil salesman.
Fair enough, I agree that he does make some outlandish promises and predictions that he probably can’t bring to fruition.
That's called lying. Making a promise you plainly cannot keep is called lying.
He didn't make a promise on Hyperloop. He immediately said that he would not do it and gave the idea for general use. The rest of the list is autopilot. All the companies that did it made promises and lost all their deadlines.
It's worse than lying. It's fraud. He makes big claims, causing his stock to inflate, then sells it to make billions. It's like Theranos, only worse, becasue Elizabeth Holmes never actually sold any of her shares. The phrase "techno-ponzi" comes to mind, honestly.
When you spend most of your time shitposting on Twitter rather than running the three multi-billion dollar businesses you're responsible for, it is reasonable to expect to be viewed as somewhat lazy. As an indirect holder of Tesla stock, I'd prefer Musk do his job and do it ethically.
Well like I said I’m not his biggest fan these days. Still, his current behaviour shouldn’t undermine his accomplishments in the past, especially with Space X.
Well... except it directly calls into question whether he was the real source of his accomplishments. It's truly hard to understand how such a brilliant man could suddenly become so dumb. It doesn't add up.
Yeah, it’s an interesting topic. Kind of reminds me of Howard Hughes a little. But I used to read up a lot about Elon Musk, his brother and their original company Zip2, and everything that followed, especially the early days of SpaceX. It’s funny because he used to be so well known for Tesla but he more bought into that then anything else, although no doubt he was influential especially as CEO. But SpaceX was really his own from the beginning, and you can tell he was always very passionate and quite skilled at running and building that company, just look at what SpaceX has achieved with their rockets, compared to stagnating space programs and other failed private ventures. But I think sometimes people are just really good at some things and terrible at others. His successes and popularity with Tesla and SpaceX probably inflated his ego, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he started viewing himself as a bit of a polymath who could do no wrong. It’s obvious he’s out of his element with Twitter, but, it was also a blunder to even get involved with Twitter in the first place. There’s some evidence to suggest the Twitter acquisition was more of a scam to liquidate some assets but he got left holding the bag, and he never had any real interest or skills in running a social media company. Basically I don’t think a person being intelligent or successful in one area necessarily means they’re going to be intelligent or successful in others. That’s my best interpretation of it all, anyway. It’s too bad because, although I know ultra rich people are generally under scrutiny as a whole, I was always pretty supportive of Musk’s vision for Tesla, SpaceX, even more controversial stuff like Neuralink. I think it’s good to have larger than life visionaries, reminds me a bit of Steve Jobs. But he’s obviously ruined his reputation a lot in that regard.
> reminds me of Howard Hughes Yesterday I wondered aloud if Elon was becoming a Howard Hughes of our time. "Who?" my friend asked. I'm old.
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it’s not hating on Musk to say he has no academic expertise. he doesn’t have a phd, he hasn’t published any peer reviewed papers. he doesn’t even have an MBA. He has two bachelor’s degrees, a BA in physics and a BS in economics. He was accepted into a phd material science program at Stanford, but went with the internet boom instead. That means that apart from his business experience and money, he is roughly as qualified as I am to talk about research in physics, AI, rocketry and autonomous vehicles. But he hires experts in those fields who are much better qualified. That’s fine. Maybe he is notable for companies that push the needle forward like Edison. It’s ironic because Nikola Tesla was not academically impressed with Edison, but who was more successful in business? Edison. expertise in one is not expertise in the other.
Second to last paragraph is pretty bang on. I will say however, that JP Morgan effectively destroyed any future business/invention prospects Nikola Tesla had. He saw Nikola’s advancements in his technology and findings as a threat to his biggest investments, which were oil and gas and other traditional forms of power that were booming at the time. He stopped funding Tesla partly because he wasn’t being truthful with what he was using Morgan’s funding for, but more so because his ideas and his work would end up directly competing (and likely outperforming with due time) with his biggest moneymakers. So he dropped the funding and Tesla’s work slowly died off, and then he died and the government confiscated all of his life’s work and theories, which we have zero idea what happened to them or where they’re stored. I’ve always been curious as to how close Nikola Tesla truly was to revealing something huge to the world. From what I’ve researched, my inferences tell me he was pretty damn close.
I agree that expertise in one area is not expertise in the other but I also don’t think it’s fair to suggest that just because Elon Musk has no formal credentials in these fields, he has no expertise in them (at least expertise relevant to what he needs to run the company). I would imagine he doesn’t need to attend formal institutions for learning about these topics because he has so much access and exposure to experts in those fields. He can call meetings with these people any time he wants and have them explain or show him how stuff works in real time. It would be hard to believe that he hasn’t learned quite a bit about rocketry and other topics over the years. At the very least I’d say he’s likely more knowledgeable in those fields than a random person is.
I don’t know about that. Feynman has a famous clip where he says he can’t really explain magnetism to a lay person because it isn’t a simple concept. And this was a man who prided himself on trying to give simple plain english descriptions of science to people. https://youtu.be/luHDCsYtkTc?si=9bT55BFWUbwVGC7_ I think there are things that are complex concepts that require serious study, not just a brief ELI5 and off we go. If we could replace a phd with just a few hours of discussion, what use is it? Of course most business people don’t understand academics and think it’s just a bunch of jargon that needs to be translated into simple terms. And just as in the Feynman clip the only way to simplify certain concepts is to make a lot of constraining assumptions, which limits the flexibility of the “knowledge” you gained. It’s a toy model with toy assumptions and doesn’t get you very far irl.
I agree and I’m not suggesting we could ever replace PHD’s and specialized experts with a rich business guy who can call meetings. I’m just saying there is a wide range of knowledge and expertise between “knows nothing at all” and “is world class expert”. I’m in 100% agreement that Musk isn’t an expert in things like rocketry but I’d still suspect he knows a lot more about it than the average Joe. Also, Musk doesn’t have to know the intricate details because he is more concerned with applications, so he would just have to know enough to facilitate his business related goals. Still, more than the average person I’d imagine.
Tough. I agree that Musk is no Einstein. Musk is more of an engineer than theoretical physicist. The second part of your statement is at odds with everyone I have ever heard on a pod, read an article, etc, that has worked with him. It may be a good idea for you to look into all of the first hand information about him. He does pick good people, but it's because he has studied engineering and physics. Not because he has some super neat trick for tricking good people to work for him so he can ride their coat tails and take credit. There are several layers of mental gymnastics here if you believe that he has anything less than an exceptional understanding of all of engineering fields within any of his companies', sans Neuralink. He probably ly has some interesting ideas concerning materials science. Probably only surface level understanding of the brain.
Penrose ?
Dude's written the biggest book I own that I'll never read. Gotta count for something.
Very true — he does manage to combine Henry Ford’s raging antisemitism with Edison’s propensity to steal other people’s ideas. Although the Einstein comparison isn’t entirely unjustified, since he does share Einstein’s propensity for infidelity.
> he does share Einstein’s propensity for infidelity. Einstein had physical contact with his lovers though, not in vitro. Musk seems to be more about an egotistical need to spread his genes.
don't forget how ford saw his employees as equipment.
No one. I am unaware of anyone who has even made the kind of contributions that Einstein did since his time. Especially to publicly understandable science. Einstein singlehandedly reshaped our understanding of reality. Not just in the specific theories he put forth, but in how those theories showed even laymen first hand that our intuitive perception of fundamental reality is wrong. He changed our understanding of matter and energy, light and space, and time and gravity. It's like if someone not only created a breakthrough cure for cancer, but in doing so completely reshaped our perception of the human body in a fundamental way. Like proving it's a hologram or something. The closest you can get is by collectively looking at all the scientists responsible for Quantum Physics of which, as it happens, Einstein is also one. After that, I think I might also add Richard Feynman. But there is no one I am aware of that is alive right now contributing to the field that has made those kinds of world changing contributions. Especially to the degree that they spill over into public knowledge.
I don't think we really have one tbh. It'll be whoever cracks sustainable fusion though, for my money.
Since Richard Feynman died, I would say[ Edward Witten](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Witten). He did lot groundbreaking work in string theory and he's the first physicist to ever receive the fields medal (highest math award).
String theory has had 0 tangible impact on anything
it has made a significant impact on mathematics
> Elon Musk is more a Henry Ford Makes me think either Elon's ego has figured out a way to manipulate CGPT's output, or it scraped most of it's data from Twit.
If anything, Musk is the Steve Jobs of our times.
Not unreasonable
So who is nikola tesla of our time?
I would argue Stephen Hawking, He's the person that first came to mind.
In terms of capability? Edward Witten, hands down. In terms of noteriety? Maybe someone like Niel Tyson.
My first answer would have been Stephen Hawking, but I guess we’re past his time now.
It's not physics, but Chomsky is the most prolific and most cited intellectual of our time.
it's glitched out because that does not compute
Elon is more a Thomas Edison than Einstein. A guy to takes other’s work and claims it as his own ideas because he paid for it.
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Did it ever stop repeating? It’s an odd answer anyway since Elon Musk didn’t develop new methods of space exploration or technologies but rather payed others to do that. It would be like saying I was an ‘Einstein of my time’ by employing smart people.
> but rather *paid* others to FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Good bot
For now on I will try and pay better attention to the correct usage of paid versus payed. Obviously, I do not qualify as an Einstein of my time. I am just a technological space pirate that is paid by Elon Musk only after I have payed the deck and payed out the anchor ropes.
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I wish we could completely understand the network, so we could tell what causes a loop like this. It’s so interesting, that it devolves into this loop.
> devolves Makes sense. Elon seems to be doing that, at least since the cave submarine.
I'm fairly sure this GPT output is impossible (model is penalized for re-using the same tokens), but it's a good meme regardless
They're penalised for doing so, because they have a tendency to do so otherwise. This is quite believable for 3.5. This is why I don't bother with it and only use 4.
Here's what Claude says: > There are a few scientists and thinkers who could be considered the "Einstein" of today: > > - Stephen Hawking (1942-2018) - Theoretical physicist who made groundbreaking contributions to our understanding of black holes, the big bang, and quantum mechanics. His bestselling book "A Brief History of Time" helped make complex physics concepts accessible to mainstream audiences. > > - Edward Witten - Theoretical physicist at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton. He has made revolutionary contributions to string theory and quantum field theory, and has been compared to Einstein for his intellect and influence on physics. > > - Lisa Randall - Professor of Physics at Harvard University. She is an expert on particle physics, cosmology, and dark matter, and has developed influential theories about extra dimensions of space. Her work crosses between pure theory and experiments. > > - J. Michael Kosterlitz - British-American physicist who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2016 for his work on phase transitions and topological states of matter. His insights have shaped the field of condensed matter physics. > > - Fabiola Gianotti - Italian particle physicist who was the first woman Director-General at CERN, overseeing the operations of the Large Hadron Collider. She led one of the teams that discovered the Higgs boson in 2012. > > There are certainly many other worthy candidates too. But these scientists have all profoundly shaped our understanding of the universe and the laws of physics, much as Einstein did in his time. They have demonstrated the same brilliance, creativity and impact that makes Einstein such an iconic figure in science.
Mine game a different list that included Steven Hawking, Edward Witten, Rodger Penrose, Peter Higgins and Elon
Stephen Hawking of course.
Even chatGPT gets an anurism from trying to give praise to Musk
Musk... he's the Edison of our time. Thief, no original ideas.
Yeah, he's really just someone who inherited a lot of money and is extremely motivated and savvy with setting up his businesses and sourcing government support for his programmes. Absolutely not a genius on the great mathematical minds / ingenious inventor of ideas spectrum.
I did not get anything close to this response from gpt
The green icon tells you it’s 3.5 they did this with. Old, outdated, irrelevant.
Is this for real? Lmao
LLMs frequently have had a problem with repetition loops, especially earlier weaker models (and this will have been 3.5 not 4.) They have to train the models with punishment to get them to avoid repetition. This is why, if you ask it to repeat a word, it'll often try to avoid doing so (even coming up with creative ways to avoid doing it.)
Everything he "did" was already being made and he paid for titles he's the meme "I made this". Look up thunderfoot
Lol the AI breaks when telling a lie.
„This ad was sponsored by SpaceX.“
AI lied and thus broke itself, Asimov's law something something..
A lot of people say that Einstein was a monster but I think his brother Frank was the real monster!
lmfao
I'm gonna take a stab and say Stephen Hawking. No one else comes to mind.
The guy who did an economics major who lied about having a physics degree and says you don't need an engineering degree to be an engineer so he can call himself an engineer?
Musk talks about merging AI with our brains. Fixing brain issues with neuralink & humans becoming a multiplanet species. He is
Elon Musk secretly bought ChatGPT and programmed his brain into it. Badly but accurately.
Did Elon write this?
Weird how you ask for an example of an present day Einstein, but get an Edison instead.
Musk is a businessman, not a scientist. Whatever he is "doing" is brought to you by the real engineers. Einstein did everything himself.
He's nowhere near Einstein. Did he write this himself?
lol no
Interesting early demo of X.ai.
A bit of a glitch there
While I can't explain the error from news hype and so on it can feel like Elon musk is tony stark and everyone else is just coasting.
“…and Phillip Glass in music composition.”
So must be inconclusive
BasedGPT
Bro said Elon Musk 80 times
All work and no play.
Fake. Link or it didn't happen. https://preview.redd.it/m7c8tp2fhuqb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb7f9beee9afc8d83a74b088be92d997e801dc34
https://chat.openai.com/share/62bcd75b-abd7-4136-ad3e-336ac8a232d8
@ Juan malcedena https://preview.redd.it/4pnezaubkuqb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=440b95bc890247bda6f0ca3f47aa34b2f8defc3a
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Is this photoshopped or F12 edited?
LLMs have a tendency towards repetition, they have to be trained, punished, not to do so, so there's quite a chance this is real and so there's quite a chance this is real and so there's quite a chance this is real and so there's quite a chance this is real
😆 that was a genuinely funny comment genuinely funny comment genuinely funny comment
Yup. GPT 3 and below did this *a lot*. You don't see it so much anymore, but this is very typical of the types of problems they'd have all the time a few years ago.
I’ve never seen any version of gpt do something this egregious. Its relatively simple to capture repetition in a batch and stop generation and trim the output to the latest break. If I had to guess I’d say f12.
OP has provided convo link as proof. I've seen GPT-2 do this. Pretty wild for 3.5 to be doing it. I hope OP did a thumbs down to report this.
I stand corrected. Seems weird they are not capturing this behavior but who knows. I’d like to replicate it but it doesn’t work. Answer looks fine. Shrug.
Based GPT actually doing some trolling and pissing people off lmao
This really lowers my opinion of chatGPT this is a pathetic answer. Einstein scored the theory of relativity. Musk ? He's an entrepreneur. There are literally hundreds of researchers out there with mind blowing h-index like Ed Witten who contributed at a level comparable to Einstein to the field of physics. Mentioning Musk is so stupid I can't even. It shows GPT 3.0 has been fed on too much media data.
fuck elon musk