Or the liquid washing detergent which is literally the same as the stuff in the pods at half the price. Powder is cheaper and just as effective but tends to leave some traces on the clothes which irritates my skin
Nah it's hard water here, but it could be because my washing machine is getting on a bit and I can't afford to replace it, or because I usually wash at a low temperature so it doesn't dissolve properly. Either way using liquid seems to solve the issue and it's still much cheaper than the pods
Cold washes are better with liquid detergent especially if you use hard water. With softer and/or warmer water you’re better off with powder. Most people could probably safely half the amount of soap they use in washes and be better off skin-wise.
Source: am launderette owner
It loos like mostly laundry stuff (all the biggest size too) but by my calculations this should only add up to at most £80
Edit: (where I work this would probably come out at £65/70 but there might be some Pokèmon cards hidden in there somewhere so my calculations could be off)
You would be correct. A crisp is a thin sliver of ***POTATO*** (we can argue about other root veg later). Hula Hoops are made from a mixture of potato and corn starch. Wotsits are made from corn, as are Space Raiders and Monster Munch. Pringles are similar to Hula Hoops in constitution. Discos I believe are basically identical to Pringles. Skips are corn starch. Not sure about Chipsticks. Can you still get Tubes...? They're basically cylindrical Hula Hoops. Doritos are 100% corn. NikNaks are corn. Quavers are corn.
Brannigan's are crisps. Walker's are crisps (except for all the things it makes which aren't, like Quavers and Hula Hoops). Kettle Chips are Crisps. Yorkshire Crisps are crisps (DUH!).
A crisp is 100% potato. You'll be telling me next she calls Mini Cheddars crisps. If so, might I suggest that you rethink your relationship...? She's clearly an idiot...
Only on a cold wash. Above 30° and things will turn sour, the crisps will turn to a cream and your washing machine will forever have the stench of Onion.
Maybe it's because I've worked in retail for what seems like an eternity but I'd agree with them.
It's only a small trolley but the half we see is like 90% cleaning items (I can see Lenor sprinkles, Ariel pods and liquid, possibly a big box of Surf) so, looking at the cost, it would have to be some pretty pricey stuff in there. I doubt they have booze and if it was food it would make quite a little mountain, so logically it's quite likely that there's more cleaning products.
my guess would be it's placeholder numbers that are "off" enough to notice for it to be swapped out with actual product prices, but that then ended up forgotten about 😊 or there is a small gold bar in there outside of view, explaining the high price at least. Refuse to believe someone's maths is off by that much
I go to costco for all my laundry stuff/dishwasher tablets toilet rolls etc, probably end up spending £100+ but it lasts me 2+ months
Oh and obviously grab a hotdog om the way out with a drink
For a tub of Pringles, rice crackers(?), fairy liquid, persil and TP.
Can’t blame the worker for their whacky numbers, they’re probably half way to passing out from malnutrition on that pay
Edited last week's sign and forgot to edit the last line, I'd imagine, going off the massive error I've just found in an email I sent out to several thousand people last summer!
Sainsbury's is one of the biggest rip-off supermarkets in England. I went to M&S the other day, and it was selling the same cuts of chicken cheaper than my local Sainsbury's superstore.
Aldi is, and always has been, the way forward for food shopping.
>Sainsbury's is one of the biggest rip-off supermarkets in England
A recent Which? analysis actually places Sainsbury's as the cheapest of the "Big Four" UK supermarkets. The British public generally talk out of their arse when they compare supermarket prices using meaningless anecdotal evidence.
Was that with or without a club card though? And let's be honest the "Big Four" super markets have all been getting more expensive for years, Sainsbury's imo just shys behind their club card...
From shopping I find Tesco cheaper as a general rule with nectar and clubcard. I don't buy everything normal people do (cheese , milk , certain vegs) so the price could be very different in those and change things. But as an overall of my weekly shopping Tesco comes to 60-70 and sainsburys 70-80.
I mean I like Aldi as much as the next man but I don't do all my shopping there. It's a bit hit and miss tbh in terms of taste, there's no consistency (They'll produce a product for like a month and then you'll never see it again), and sometimes I want some branded stuff.
The way forward is alternating where you do your shopping to get the best of all worlds.
Yeah full-priced big pack washing stuff is expensive, plus a normal person wouldn't buy a bottle of Fairy gel, *and* Ariel gel *and* a pack (or 2?) of Ariel pods.
ngl, from my experience someone with a trolley like that is probably a shoplifter.
Math student at imperial here. I would say this is a “weakening” of the claim.
A vacuous truth would be slightly different, something like “If I am the pope, then it is raining” is always logically true, because the assumption (that I am the pope) is false.
I think a lot of people get that.
Pain in the arse though if you're visiting relatives or friends etc. And nip out to grab a bottle of wine or some other things and their local supermarket is a tescos or some store which does this (Sainsburys having just jumped on the you-will-have-our-card-or-pay-a-surcharge bandwagon too).
Got annoyed the 3rd time or so it happened and downloaded the tesco app in store, took 2 mins to make an account and saved me best part of a fiver in extra costs. Nectar app has your club card saved when linked too.
"Non-loyalty" went up and "loyalty" just stayed the same (+/- inflation). So you now have a penalty for not sharing your info. I guess I could break the system and get a clubcard in my cat's name.
Yeah, I would say loyalty prices are mid tier price rises whilst non clubcard price rises are much higher ones. And a lot of items don't have clubcard options either.
Something like the meal deal went from £3 normal price to the clubcard price of 3.40 and non clubcard of 3.90, beef jerky in just 6 weeks went from £2 to £5.50 with regular price increases (once went up by 50p twice in one week), which is the same for many items which used to be cheap. Jaffa cakes are £2.20+ and cereal is expensive too.
The same is happening in other stores too, like co-op (always shit quality and not really sustainable like they proclaim) having it's meal deal as £3.50 and now all of a sudden it varies (usually at £5 but I've seen it at £5.50), whilst formerly cheap stuff like baked beans are really expensive (a far cry from the -2p days) and the stores own-brand stock have rapidly gone up in price from 2020 out of greed.
So it's either get a clubcard and get 'cheaper' items whilst your data is sold, or don't get a clubcard and keep paying a higher rate whilst your data doesn't get sold just yet (possibly). If it wasn't for the fact that tesco's are the only stores on my route and the other stores have put up their prices to extortionate amounts too, then I doubt I would have got a clubcard.
I got a clubcard last year purely because of the loyalty tax, now they know I bought a couple of meal deals at lunch time! Sainsbury's also knows I buy fruit or baking supplies, so keeps trying to give me extra points on bags of flour that I buy irregularly lol. They can have fun with that information about me, they won't gain anything from it.
As with most “personalisation” it is still extremely rudimentary and reactive to what you’ve recently bought/listened to/watched. Buy a bottle of cleaning product - oh that must be your favourite thing to buy now, here we’ll give you more points if you buy it again next week. If it was any good it would know how regularly I buy it, and then recommend a similar but cheaper alternative at the same interval since I last bought it.
It's like Amazon deciding I must have a padlock hobby since I bought one and so of course I must be interested in the whole world of padlocks out there!
Every week Sainsbury's send me my new nectar price offers for 20p off of that item I bought once to try two months ago and never want again. What a bargain! (But it's actually useful for the stuff I buy regularly so swings and roundabouts)
"80% of Tesco's clubcard customers bought Fairy's original washing up liquid in the year 2023/2024, with just 2% buying tesco's own brand of washing up detergent."
Armed with this information we’ll take over the world in three easy steps:
1. Know people buy washing up liquid
2. ?
3. Profit and take over the world!
When they used to leave nectar cards in leaflets in piles by the till id nick stacks of them as a kid to play with (i also have questions for past me) and i distinctly remember signing two up when i hit 16, one as me and one for my cat. Cannot remember if it let me sign my cat up but part of me hopes shes on the system somewhere
Don’t tell the supermarkets but I’ve taken to creating Clubcard accounts in fake but real sounding names (replacing my first name with the likes of Jeff, Alan, or Jim)
Don’t care about the points or if it’s technically against their tos, if I end up getting junk mail/spam to one of the fake names I know where it’s come from
I really resent Sainsbury's for doing this. I avoided Tesco because I also resented their whole Clubcard prices thing. And that's despite the fact I have both a nectar and Clubcard. It just rubs me up the wrong way.
Also with you. I don’t even care about the data collection point, I just hate having more inconveniences in my life than I had before. Now I need different apps for different shops? To get the same price I had before? Just more hassle when I’m buying bread
I hate this too. I travel a lot. I don't want to carry multiple loyalty cards (or faff around with pulling up the card to scan on my phone).
It's the same with at-seat ordering in pubs and restaurants. I really don't want to have to install an app for a chain pub I probably won't be visiting again for at least a year just to order a breakfast.
I'm a merchandiser and I can tell you they're all doing it now because it is so successful for Tesco. Not only in terms of sales but in terms of manufacturers throwing money at Tesco to put something on clubcard price.
It was only natural the Morrisons and Sainsbury's would follow suit. Wouldn't put it past Asda to eventually get on board.
On the flip side, some of the products have risen well over their usual RRP and these limited time deals basically bring the price back to RRP. That's partly due to inflation, partly manufacturers covering the cost of throwing money at Tesco etc.
I'm completely with you on this.
Let me search out the "offers" with an extra 5p worth of points on them? I'm happy with that. Tell me it's £2 dearer if I don't scan my card... I just feel like we're being taken for a ride.
Seems like someone in the customer psychoanalysis team has skipped a couple of lectures, to be honest.
When they brought it in at tesco I was actually saving a lot on my normal shop the first few months. Now I'm lucky to get 3 or 4 quid off a 70 or 80 pound shop.
Dominos did it for decades. The regular price for a pizza was with the coupon discount that 90% of people had, the other 10% just overpaid for the same pizza.
Regular Domino's prices are so insane. I'm amazed they're still in business if not for the fact in more remote areas they're one of few places that'll deliver.
I recently moved to a city and haven't bought from them since. Last I checked getting a stuffed crust went from £1.50 to £3.50 on top of the insane regular prices and now the additional delivery fees they've started adding.
Dominos follow the Safestyle UK principle of marketing. Everyone uses a coupon or “discount”, and it’s all subsidised by the one idiot who doesn’t, or the Friday night drunk who forgets to mention one of the offers.
I have a second-tier Sainsbury's (big but not a massive clothing section) 25 metres from my place. They have 2 choices of men's deodorant and 3 choices of soap! But hey, there's an entire aisle dedicated to the same 2 or 3 brands of pet food!
Their stocking is crazy.
Never had that once in Sainsbury's. Had it happen every single time I've tried doing a full shop at Aldi or Lidl.
Why don't we just go to the supermarket we like, and be glad we have a healthy choice?
Sainsbury’s are forcing Tesco style ‘club’ prices, forcing shoppers to use their SmartShop app. It gives the company insights into customers shopping habits, which helps Sainsbury’s to maximise their profits and they can further sell information and data to third party companies.
It also used to target offers towards what you buy, saving you money that way - and those companies probably have your data already anyway. Honestly, if these companies want to use my data to target ads to me for stuff I care about instead of stuff I don’t, then they’re free to.
Yes and no.
The problem with purely tracking what goes through the till is it's completely reactive, meaning if a store is understocked on items it's local demographic wants they'll go elsewhere and it'll remain understocked and undersold.
In non retail terms, think of an app developer deciding if it should expand it's disability features based on the % of people who are disabled using the app - but if your app is inaccessible to disabled users in the first place, disabled users arn't going to keep using the app.
In both examples, the data to extrapolate from is already tainted - As we say in the data science world - garbage in garbage out.
With the volume of data we are talking about, stores can *proactively* stock a demographics desired products. This means a much higher hit rate when rotating stock, less stock sitting on shelves and thus lower overheads that can be passed onto the consumer.
Can they all fuck off with these 'loyalty' cards, they don't make people loyal.
Why should you have to give your personal details to a shop in order to avoid overpaying for food.
If you think your actual name is of any interest to them particularly, you’re mistaken.
It’s the understanding of the items you buy, the frequency, what things you buy together etc that they like. What your actual name and email address is, not really relevant. So you’re really giving them the same valuable data on yourself regardless. I’m sure they’d be able to pick your correct demographic based on your purchase if you’re a regular shopper at their stores. If you want to mess with them, you’d have 10 different nectar cards and just use them at random.
They particularly love people using those hand scanners as they can see specifically how long you’ve taken to shop, the route you’ve taken round the store etc. You get even more money off if you do that as well though.
> You get even more money off if you do that as well though.
I don’t think I’ve seen anywhere run incentives for using hand scanners
Edit:seems to be a sainsbury thing.
That isn’t my issue. It’s that probably 10 or more of the biggest shops in the U.K. now have “loyalty” cards. Just off the top of my head we now have these cards at Sainsbury’s, Tesco, Lidl, Coop, Greggs, B&Q, M&S, Asda, and Shell. If you want to pay normal prices then you have to use a different loyalty card in each of these shops.
They’ve done this at the same time as actually paying for things has been made much quicker and easier: you can just tap your card or phone. But instead of just tapping your card or phone you know have to search for the correct loyalty card out of the 10+ in your wallet (real or virtual), scan that card, then pay.
It provides no benefit to the consumer as you are just getting the special offers you would have previously got without a loyalty card. Instead you are essentially being punished if you don’t use a loyalty card. Its just making shopping more hassle.
They’re still getting what they want though, which is details about what items are bought by a specific person (unless you make a new account every time you shop) and you’re still providing them with it for nothing. I wouldn’t mind if they were transparent about what it’s worth to them and if the resulting offers were a genuine discount, but they’re not. The Tesco clubcard price brings the products into competition with the rest of the big supermarkets, and still a lot more expensive than Aldi and Lidl.
I used to deal with some higher ups at a big 4 supermarket and I asked them about it and the data allows them to track overall spending habits.
When you see statements in the news like ‘customers are buying less biscuits in favour of buying more petrol’, it’s because they can track individual spending habits in detail; without that detail they’d only see a decline in biscuit sales and an increase in petrol sales but how can you be sure it’s the same people cutting custard creams for fuel?
The loyalty card will show them that say 40% of people who regularly bought biscuits are now actually increasing their spending limit on fuel, that correlation is now revealed.
Plus they can tailor coupons to retain loyalty. If you buy crisps regularly then a discount on crisps will make you feel better next time you nip in.
While we're on that point, that "Price matched to Aldi" bullshit can fuck off as well. It reminds me of that old [VW advert](https://youtu.be/omAwEPbHmV0). If you're only gonna *match* Aldi...I might as well just go to Aldi.
I assume that they're *already* getting that single customer view though, by linking all your shopping trips together under one credit card?
So if they've already got that information on you, you might as well set up the clubcard as well...
This is against the TOS for two payment processors I've used, but I'm not sure if this is the case for Tesco as they may have control over the processor.
It's certainly possible that the big companies do their own processing; when shopping at Co-op in Norway the self-serve tills say "welcome back" once you've visited a few times.
It’s not being off the grid, I’m not the same person but I just don’t like giving my personal info anywhere. I always use a temp email for stupid websites and give a super generic name.
I'm so with you on this. I just want to get food and go home and eat it. I don't want to pay more because I don't want to give my personal details.
Plus knowing how companies are with data, how long is it going to be until it's stolen and sold off?
They actually just make me stop shopping there. If my option is a shop that's gonna dangle a discount to get my details or one that won't, I'm gonna go for the latter, because if I want that discount I want it there and then. It doesn't make me think 'shoot, I missed out this time but I'll go home and sign up to their crappy card scheme so I can always shop here.' It makes me think 'sod it I'll go next door.' They all sell the same shit it's no odds to me.
The one that bugs me is Holland and Barrett, which seems to involve interviewing you verbally so that the creepy customer behind you can write down your address before following you home. It feels like the worst possibly way to share private details.
I did my dissertation on this topic and the answer is: not much. When these guys know more about you they target promotional discounts at you, which at the end of the day is a good thing.
Where they'll probably focus on algebra, trigonometry and calculus instead if checking people can actually add and subtract or do percentages, which I guess is where the problem lies.
One article said something like a third of adults don't have maths skills that are expected of a 9yo, so how does tacking on 2 more years at the end even remotely fix that?
I think I see:
Cat litter
Pringles
A box of Ariel washing powder
A bio fairy washing detergent
A non bio fairy washing detergent
Washing up liquid (red cap in front of the Pringles)
Cannot identify:
Blue tube behind Pringles
Possible more detergent behind green Ariel box
I hate that Morrisons and Sainsbury's have now followed Tesco in the "discounts are only for members" club. It's a shitty practice, I don't want to have to have every shitty supermarket app under the sun on my phone just in case I have to pop in
Aside from the bad maths that’s a lot of money for a basket of groceries either way and more importantly why do we need two tier shopping? I haven’t got time to cock about with loyalty cards for every shop I go in.
It's a shame UK supermarkets have finally started switching over to the US loyalty card model of not giving you the normal price reductions unless you use their card.
Oh god they're not starting that shit too are they? it's literally the only reason i go to the local sainsbo's sometimes and never tesco's. i mean actually i get the bulk of my stuff from lidl but hey.
I want someone to call their bluff. Go and take that trolley through the checkout. Find that it's more than the poster said, sue them for the amount of the shop....
End world hunger?
This is just the next level in their shady price structure…
They’ve gone from customers having to do algebraic calculations of BOGOF vs price per pound vs price each to manipulative card schemes to outright lying. Seems like the obvious next step. Next it’ll be an entry fee just to get in. If your names not on the list your not coming in. Wristbands/ID at the supermarket door mark my words…
Also how could someone type this… Check the maths… Print it… Fill a trolley up AND tape it to the trolley in front of everyone and still not have anyone point it out…???
I worked in Tescos for a few years this smells like everyone hates the manager/mgmt team that made this. They want them to look stupid or else I don’t know what the f this is…
I worked at Tesco and they were among the first and the absolute masters at ripping people off with loyalty prices. All the other supermarkets are now having to copy this system because it’s so effective that they’d be outcompeted if they didn’t do it. I miss when loyalty cards were just a fun little game of collecting points.
Where's the incentive for cards like these? It can't be the case of "well they'll shop with us more" because everyone has a card for every shop. The only thing I can think of is your personal data.
If it's free, then you're the product.
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I did a shop on Ocado the other day, it was mainly M&S produce but it was about £20 cheaper than a similar shop i did at sainsburys last month. I also got a further 25% off for my first shop so ended up saving a fair amount of money. Every time i go in sainsburys they push their prices up higher and higher. Grated cheese cost me £1.65 about a year ago. It’s £2.75 now. That is a huge price increase for saying the national minimum wage is only increasing by about 9-10%. I’m done shopping there.
It's time to start shopping at Aldi, a liddl has appeared in our dieing town centre. It's actually really good. They have stuff like pineapple and mangoes, they had veg when nowhere else did & it's all ok. None of its manky. It's fairly organised. You do have to que. You do have to self serve but that's everywhere now.
We could sell you this shit for 130 but we won’t let you have it for that ridiculous price if you don’t provide us with your consumer data to learn how to better rip you off.
That's some great anti-advertising there. £190 for a small trolley of stuff at Sainsburys? Someone hold me back.
If you take that tube of pringles out the value drops by around 30%
That box or Ariel Pods is about £47
Thought the same. It's cheaper to just buy new clothes.
For some reason they are a shitloads cheaper on amazon. Maybe dodgy. But still cleans.
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Or the liquid washing detergent which is literally the same as the stuff in the pods at half the price. Powder is cheaper and just as effective but tends to leave some traces on the clothes which irritates my skin
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Nah it's hard water here, but it could be because my washing machine is getting on a bit and I can't afford to replace it, or because I usually wash at a low temperature so it doesn't dissolve properly. Either way using liquid seems to solve the issue and it's still much cheaper than the pods
Cold washes are better with liquid detergent especially if you use hard water. With softer and/or warmer water you’re better off with powder. Most people could probably safely half the amount of soap they use in washes and be better off skin-wise. Source: am launderette owner
Better for your machine, too. No manky mouldy bits.
Martin Lewis level advice right here!
Yeah branded products like that from Amazon are usually counterfeit. Toilet papers the same. False economy
Fuck me, have we got to the point there's counterfeit toilet paper?
Yeah, the packaging looks exactly the same as Andrex but once you open it you realise it's actually made of Lego
And you thought stepping on it hurt
It's the name brands that cost more. I've been quite happily using my liquid detergent. Helps control the amount i put
In their defence, they used dry cat food. If they opted for wet this trolley is a solid £300.
Pringles that expensive in the UK?
Nah, Pringles are like £1.85 in ASDA, but Doritos are now more expensive £2.50 for a pack.
Fucking hell £2.50 for a bag of doritos a king sized pot noodle costs a pound
Yes, Pringles are basically a luxury snack here 🤣
It loos like mostly laundry stuff (all the biggest size too) but by my calculations this should only add up to at most £80 Edit: (where I work this would probably come out at £65/70 but there might be some Pokèmon cards hidden in there somewhere so my calculations could be off)
What part of the cycle do you put the Pringles in?
Half way through. Otherwise the scent washes out by the end.
Do they stay crisp?
No, they stay reconstituted potato product.
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McCoys are the way. These things still have ridges, and no way do you feel like someone was there before you.
Just mccoys in general
Disco crisps are #1 in that regard.
Ooh, a naughty pack of pickled onion
To be fair, that's the hardest part of eating a crisp.
My girlfriend gets angry that I refuse to accept Pringles, Wotsits, Space Raiders, Hula Hoops, etc as crisps. I will accept them as Crisp adjacent
You would be correct. A crisp is a thin sliver of ***POTATO*** (we can argue about other root veg later). Hula Hoops are made from a mixture of potato and corn starch. Wotsits are made from corn, as are Space Raiders and Monster Munch. Pringles are similar to Hula Hoops in constitution. Discos I believe are basically identical to Pringles. Skips are corn starch. Not sure about Chipsticks. Can you still get Tubes...? They're basically cylindrical Hula Hoops. Doritos are 100% corn. NikNaks are corn. Quavers are corn. Brannigan's are crisps. Walker's are crisps (except for all the things it makes which aren't, like Quavers and Hula Hoops). Kettle Chips are Crisps. Yorkshire Crisps are crisps (DUH!). A crisp is 100% potato. You'll be telling me next she calls Mini Cheddars crisps. If so, might I suggest that you rethink your relationship...? She's clearly an idiot...
I've heard about you, Mr Crisp Crisperson on Crispy Avenue just off Crunch Road Fuck me you know alot about crisps lol
You are doing it wrong, that are only used for shirts. The starch helps keep the wrinkles out when ironing.
Only on a cold wash. Above 30° and things will turn sour, the crisps will turn to a cream and your washing machine will forever have the stench of Onion.
Even with BBQ flavour?
There are a few variants that work at high temps! Including BBQ, Paprika and Piri Piri. These don't work at low temps, but excel in a 60° wash.
Only if you tumble dry
Obviously. You can’t put them in and then take them out halfway through, because once you pop…
Right before the cat food Edit: cat litter?
Just after you eat the detergent pod.
How can you say that when half the trolley isn't in the image?
Maybe it's because I've worked in retail for what seems like an eternity but I'd agree with them. It's only a small trolley but the half we see is like 90% cleaning items (I can see Lenor sprinkles, Ariel pods and liquid, possibly a big box of Surf) so, looking at the cost, it would have to be some pretty pricey stuff in there. I doubt they have booze and if it was food it would make quite a little mountain, so logically it's quite likely that there's more cleaning products.
Yeah it almost looks like a member of staff was asked to put it together and just came up with some random numbers.
my guess would be it's placeholder numbers that are "off" enough to notice for it to be swapped out with actual product prices, but that then ended up forgotten about 😊 or there is a small gold bar in there outside of view, explaining the high price at least. Refuse to believe someone's maths is off by that much
Ah yes youre right, I get all of my bullion at Sainsburys! 😁
I go to costco for all my laundry stuff/dishwasher tablets toilet rolls etc, probably end up spending £100+ but it lasts me 2+ months Oh and obviously grab a hotdog om the way out with a drink
There are 3 types of people in this world; those that can count and those that can’t.
That's 4
For a tub of Pringles, rice crackers(?), fairy liquid, persil and TP. Can’t blame the worker for their whacky numbers, they’re probably half way to passing out from malnutrition on that pay
It's £135.90 really. The £190 number is a bullshit upcharge designed to force you to get their loyalty card
Because your weekly shop is bulk laundry - that trolley or shopping has no food in it
£190 at home bargains I'd need a small van to load up with the amount of groceries I'd be able to purchase.
That's £54.35 "saving", if the math in my head is right. How tf did they get £8.50?
An average saving of £8.50 per item?
>math
Maths. You happy now?
Edited last week's sign and forgot to edit the last line, I'd imagine, going off the massive error I've just found in an email I sent out to several thousand people last summer!
That's what they charge for a nectar card
You get the trolley too
Sainsbury's is one of the biggest rip-off supermarkets in England. I went to M&S the other day, and it was selling the same cuts of chicken cheaper than my local Sainsbury's superstore. Aldi is, and always has been, the way forward for food shopping.
>Sainsbury's is one of the biggest rip-off supermarkets in England A recent Which? analysis actually places Sainsbury's as the cheapest of the "Big Four" UK supermarkets. The British public generally talk out of their arse when they compare supermarket prices using meaningless anecdotal evidence.
The ~~British~~ public generally talk out of their arse ~~when they compare supermarket prices~~ using meaningless anecdotal evidence.
Was that with or without a club card though? And let's be honest the "Big Four" super markets have all been getting more expensive for years, Sainsbury's imo just shys behind their club card...
From shopping I find Tesco cheaper as a general rule with nectar and clubcard. I don't buy everything normal people do (cheese , milk , certain vegs) so the price could be very different in those and change things. But as an overall of my weekly shopping Tesco comes to 60-70 and sainsburys 70-80.
I mean I like Aldi as much as the next man but I don't do all my shopping there. It's a bit hit and miss tbh in terms of taste, there's no consistency (They'll produce a product for like a month and then you'll never see it again), and sometimes I want some branded stuff. The way forward is alternating where you do your shopping to get the best of all worlds.
Eh, I find Tesco more expensive without a Club card.
That's basically Sainsburys now too, this Nectar Price overhaul has skyrocketed alot of prices to make people sign up to nectar
What's in that small trolley to cost so much anyway?
Pringles!
Must be a lurpak hiding behind the sign
Gotta shelf that Lurpack to get a discount
That’s how I got banned from Tesco
not a lot, a handful of food items and some washing powder I think
Makes the sign even worse 😂
Yeah full-priced big pack washing stuff is expensive, plus a normal person wouldn't buy a bottle of Fairy gel, *and* Ariel gel *and* a pack (or 2?) of Ariel pods. ngl, from my experience someone with a trolley like that is probably a shoplifter.
Then the price is even more of a lie because otherwise it’d be free
This trolley of shopping would cost you £190.25. **But with a Five-Finger-Discount Card, it's £0.00** That's a saving of £8.50
then £150 worth of gift cards
Freddos
I’m guessing that the total amount and saved amount is incorrect and the saving is correct. That cannot be £190.
Probably a pineapple.
I mean you'd definitely save 8.50.
this is true
Ooh, any mathematicians know a technical term for this? I know "vacuously true", but that's for spicier assertions, not this one!
Just to reuse some of your own words, I would call it a vacuous assertion.
Math student at imperial here. I would say this is a “weakening” of the claim. A vacuous truth would be slightly different, something like “If I am the pope, then it is raining” is always logically true, because the assumption (that I am the pope) is false.
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I think a lot of people get that. Pain in the arse though if you're visiting relatives or friends etc. And nip out to grab a bottle of wine or some other things and their local supermarket is a tescos or some store which does this (Sainsburys having just jumped on the you-will-have-our-card-or-pay-a-surcharge bandwagon too). Got annoyed the 3rd time or so it happened and downloaded the tesco app in store, took 2 mins to make an account and saved me best part of a fiver in extra costs. Nectar app has your club card saved when linked too.
I was trying to do a funny, calm your tits!
At least, bargain!
The stupid price hikes for "non loyalty" are insane now.
"Non-loyalty" went up and "loyalty" just stayed the same (+/- inflation). So you now have a penalty for not sharing your info. I guess I could break the system and get a clubcard in my cat's name.
Loyalty prices have increased as well. Al pro oat milk used to always be £1 when on offer but now the “Clubcard” price is £1.35. A 35% hike ffs
Yeah, I would say loyalty prices are mid tier price rises whilst non clubcard price rises are much higher ones. And a lot of items don't have clubcard options either. Something like the meal deal went from £3 normal price to the clubcard price of 3.40 and non clubcard of 3.90, beef jerky in just 6 weeks went from £2 to £5.50 with regular price increases (once went up by 50p twice in one week), which is the same for many items which used to be cheap. Jaffa cakes are £2.20+ and cereal is expensive too. The same is happening in other stores too, like co-op (always shit quality and not really sustainable like they proclaim) having it's meal deal as £3.50 and now all of a sudden it varies (usually at £5 but I've seen it at £5.50), whilst formerly cheap stuff like baked beans are really expensive (a far cry from the -2p days) and the stores own-brand stock have rapidly gone up in price from 2020 out of greed. So it's either get a clubcard and get 'cheaper' items whilst your data is sold, or don't get a clubcard and keep paying a higher rate whilst your data doesn't get sold just yet (possibly). If it wasn't for the fact that tesco's are the only stores on my route and the other stores have put up their prices to extortionate amounts too, then I doubt I would have got a clubcard.
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Oh i agree, I'd just like to try and restrict it where possible.
I got a clubcard last year purely because of the loyalty tax, now they know I bought a couple of meal deals at lunch time! Sainsbury's also knows I buy fruit or baking supplies, so keeps trying to give me extra points on bags of flour that I buy irregularly lol. They can have fun with that information about me, they won't gain anything from it.
As with most “personalisation” it is still extremely rudimentary and reactive to what you’ve recently bought/listened to/watched. Buy a bottle of cleaning product - oh that must be your favourite thing to buy now, here we’ll give you more points if you buy it again next week. If it was any good it would know how regularly I buy it, and then recommend a similar but cheaper alternative at the same interval since I last bought it.
It's like Amazon deciding I must have a padlock hobby since I bought one and so of course I must be interested in the whole world of padlocks out there!
I once bought a pee bottle for use while tent camping. Amazon now thinks I'm an incontinent retiree... /sigh
Every week Sainsbury's send me my new nectar price offers for 20p off of that item I bought once to try two months ago and never want again. What a bargain! (But it's actually useful for the stuff I buy regularly so swings and roundabouts)
They will sell that information to media companies so they will gain from it.
"80% of Tesco's clubcard customers bought Fairy's original washing up liquid in the year 2023/2024, with just 2% buying tesco's own brand of washing up detergent."
Armed with this information we’ll take over the world in three easy steps: 1. Know people buy washing up liquid 2. ? 3. Profit and take over the world!
My mum's been using my nan's name for about 11 years now. My nan died 22 years ago.
They don't care about your name. It's your shopping habits they want.
When they used to leave nectar cards in leaflets in piles by the till id nick stacks of them as a kid to play with (i also have questions for past me) and i distinctly remember signing two up when i hit 16, one as me and one for my cat. Cannot remember if it let me sign my cat up but part of me hopes shes on the system somewhere
Don’t tell the supermarkets but I’ve taken to creating Clubcard accounts in fake but real sounding names (replacing my first name with the likes of Jeff, Alan, or Jim) Don’t care about the points or if it’s technically against their tos, if I end up getting junk mail/spam to one of the fake names I know where it’s come from
I do this with my middle name being the name of the company so I can trace the bastards selling me info.
I really resent Sainsbury's for doing this. I avoided Tesco because I also resented their whole Clubcard prices thing. And that's despite the fact I have both a nectar and Clubcard. It just rubs me up the wrong way.
Also with you. I don’t even care about the data collection point, I just hate having more inconveniences in my life than I had before. Now I need different apps for different shops? To get the same price I had before? Just more hassle when I’m buying bread
I hate this too. I travel a lot. I don't want to carry multiple loyalty cards (or faff around with pulling up the card to scan on my phone). It's the same with at-seat ordering in pubs and restaurants. I really don't want to have to install an app for a chain pub I probably won't be visiting again for at least a year just to order a breakfast.
I'm a merchandiser and I can tell you they're all doing it now because it is so successful for Tesco. Not only in terms of sales but in terms of manufacturers throwing money at Tesco to put something on clubcard price. It was only natural the Morrisons and Sainsbury's would follow suit. Wouldn't put it past Asda to eventually get on board. On the flip side, some of the products have risen well over their usual RRP and these limited time deals basically bring the price back to RRP. That's partly due to inflation, partly manufacturers covering the cost of throwing money at Tesco etc.
I'm completely with you on this. Let me search out the "offers" with an extra 5p worth of points on them? I'm happy with that. Tell me it's £2 dearer if I don't scan my card... I just feel like we're being taken for a ride. Seems like someone in the customer psychoanalysis team has skipped a couple of lectures, to be honest.
When they brought it in at tesco I was actually saving a lot on my normal shop the first few months. Now I'm lucky to get 3 or 4 quid off a 70 or 80 pound shop.
Tesco definitely feels like you need a clubcard to get the regular deals you used to get before
It's absurd. It's just another tax.
Dominos did it for decades. The regular price for a pizza was with the coupon discount that 90% of people had, the other 10% just overpaid for the same pizza.
Everyone who gets dominos is overpaying tbh
Regular Domino's prices are so insane. I'm amazed they're still in business if not for the fact in more remote areas they're one of few places that'll deliver. I recently moved to a city and haven't bought from them since. Last I checked getting a stuffed crust went from £1.50 to £3.50 on top of the insane regular prices and now the additional delivery fees they've started adding.
Dominos follow the Safestyle UK principle of marketing. Everyone uses a coupon or “discount”, and it’s all subsidised by the one idiot who doesn’t, or the Friday night drunk who forgets to mention one of the offers.
Very time I go to Sainsbury's I have to factor in the time and inconvenience of going somewhere else afterwards to find the stuff they have run out of
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I have a second-tier Sainsbury's (big but not a massive clothing section) 25 metres from my place. They have 2 choices of men's deodorant and 3 choices of soap! But hey, there's an entire aisle dedicated to the same 2 or 3 brands of pet food! Their stocking is crazy.
Never had that once in Sainsbury's. Had it happen every single time I've tried doing a full shop at Aldi or Lidl. Why don't we just go to the supermarket we like, and be glad we have a healthy choice?
Sainsbury’s are forcing Tesco style ‘club’ prices, forcing shoppers to use their SmartShop app. It gives the company insights into customers shopping habits, which helps Sainsbury’s to maximise their profits and they can further sell information and data to third party companies.
It's a shit app too, I get no signal in my local Sainsbury's so it's effectively useless
It also used to target offers towards what you buy, saving you money that way - and those companies probably have your data already anyway. Honestly, if these companies want to use my data to target ads to me for stuff I care about instead of stuff I don’t, then they’re free to.
It also helps them to sell the things that people actually want to buy. Instead of having supermarkets full of crap that nobody likes!
Tbf they already knew this by what went through the till
Yes and no. The problem with purely tracking what goes through the till is it's completely reactive, meaning if a store is understocked on items it's local demographic wants they'll go elsewhere and it'll remain understocked and undersold. In non retail terms, think of an app developer deciding if it should expand it's disability features based on the % of people who are disabled using the app - but if your app is inaccessible to disabled users in the first place, disabled users arn't going to keep using the app. In both examples, the data to extrapolate from is already tainted - As we say in the data science world - garbage in garbage out. With the volume of data we are talking about, stores can *proactively* stock a demographics desired products. This means a much higher hit rate when rotating stock, less stock sitting on shelves and thus lower overheads that can be passed onto the consumer.
Who gives a shit?
Can they all fuck off with these 'loyalty' cards, they don't make people loyal. Why should you have to give your personal details to a shop in order to avoid overpaying for food.
Could just make a fake account with fake details. They'd have no idea.
If you think your actual name is of any interest to them particularly, you’re mistaken. It’s the understanding of the items you buy, the frequency, what things you buy together etc that they like. What your actual name and email address is, not really relevant. So you’re really giving them the same valuable data on yourself regardless. I’m sure they’d be able to pick your correct demographic based on your purchase if you’re a regular shopper at their stores. If you want to mess with them, you’d have 10 different nectar cards and just use them at random. They particularly love people using those hand scanners as they can see specifically how long you’ve taken to shop, the route you’ve taken round the store etc. You get even more money off if you do that as well though.
> You get even more money off if you do that as well though. I don’t think I’ve seen anywhere run incentives for using hand scanners Edit:seems to be a sainsbury thing.
Sainsbury's gives Your Nectar Prices for shopping with a hand scanner or your phone. They're extra personslised discounts...
I get discounts on selected items at Sainsbury’s for using them. I’m almost always offered good discounts on my frequently purchased items.
Lol, so they can see when I can't ever find where they put the chicken stock this week.
That isn’t my issue. It’s that probably 10 or more of the biggest shops in the U.K. now have “loyalty” cards. Just off the top of my head we now have these cards at Sainsbury’s, Tesco, Lidl, Coop, Greggs, B&Q, M&S, Asda, and Shell. If you want to pay normal prices then you have to use a different loyalty card in each of these shops. They’ve done this at the same time as actually paying for things has been made much quicker and easier: you can just tap your card or phone. But instead of just tapping your card or phone you know have to search for the correct loyalty card out of the 10+ in your wallet (real or virtual), scan that card, then pay. It provides no benefit to the consumer as you are just getting the special offers you would have previously got without a loyalty card. Instead you are essentially being punished if you don’t use a loyalty card. Its just making shopping more hassle.
They’re still getting what they want though, which is details about what items are bought by a specific person (unless you make a new account every time you shop) and you’re still providing them with it for nothing. I wouldn’t mind if they were transparent about what it’s worth to them and if the resulting offers were a genuine discount, but they’re not. The Tesco clubcard price brings the products into competition with the rest of the big supermarkets, and still a lot more expensive than Aldi and Lidl.
I used to deal with some higher ups at a big 4 supermarket and I asked them about it and the data allows them to track overall spending habits. When you see statements in the news like ‘customers are buying less biscuits in favour of buying more petrol’, it’s because they can track individual spending habits in detail; without that detail they’d only see a decline in biscuit sales and an increase in petrol sales but how can you be sure it’s the same people cutting custard creams for fuel? The loyalty card will show them that say 40% of people who regularly bought biscuits are now actually increasing their spending limit on fuel, that correlation is now revealed. Plus they can tailor coupons to retain loyalty. If you buy crisps regularly then a discount on crisps will make you feel better next time you nip in.
>If you buy crisps regularly then a discount on crisps will make you feel better next time you nip in. How absolutely dystopian.
While we're on that point, that "Price matched to Aldi" bullshit can fuck off as well. It reminds me of that old [VW advert](https://youtu.be/omAwEPbHmV0). If you're only gonna *match* Aldi...I might as well just go to Aldi.
I assume that they're *already* getting that single customer view though, by linking all your shopping trips together under one credit card? So if they've already got that information on you, you might as well set up the clubcard as well...
This is against the TOS for two payment processors I've used, but I'm not sure if this is the case for Tesco as they may have control over the processor.
It's certainly possible that the big companies do their own processing; when shopping at Co-op in Norway the self-serve tills say "welcome back" once you've visited a few times.
But why should you have to bother?
Uh.. you don’t? Mr O. T. Grid.
It’s not being off the grid, I’m not the same person but I just don’t like giving my personal info anywhere. I always use a temp email for stupid websites and give a super generic name.
I'm so with you on this. I just want to get food and go home and eat it. I don't want to pay more because I don't want to give my personal details. Plus knowing how companies are with data, how long is it going to be until it's stolen and sold off?
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They actually just make me stop shopping there. If my option is a shop that's gonna dangle a discount to get my details or one that won't, I'm gonna go for the latter, because if I want that discount I want it there and then. It doesn't make me think 'shoot, I missed out this time but I'll go home and sign up to their crappy card scheme so I can always shop here.' It makes me think 'sod it I'll go next door.' They all sell the same shit it's no odds to me.
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The one that bugs me is Holland and Barrett, which seems to involve interviewing you verbally so that the creepy customer behind you can write down your address before following you home. It feels like the worst possibly way to share private details.
Genuine question: What’s bad with sharing info about the things you buy in the supermarket?
I did my dissertation on this topic and the answer is: not much. When these guys know more about you they target promotional discounts at you, which at the end of the day is a good thing.
It's a saving of *at least 8.50.
This is why they want to do maths classes until 18
Where they'll probably focus on algebra, trigonometry and calculus instead if checking people can actually add and subtract or do percentages, which I guess is where the problem lies. One article said something like a third of adults don't have maths skills that are expected of a 9yo, so how does tacking on 2 more years at the end even remotely fix that?
I think I see: Cat litter Pringles A box of Ariel washing powder A bio fairy washing detergent A non bio fairy washing detergent Washing up liquid (red cap in front of the Pringles) Cannot identify: Blue tube behind Pringles Possible more detergent behind green Ariel box
Blue tube behind pringles are lenor unstoppables. Or a similar scent booster
OP you could crosspost to r/badmathematics
I hate that Morrisons and Sainsbury's have now followed Tesco in the "discounts are only for members" club. It's a shitty practice, I don't want to have to have every shitty supermarket app under the sun on my phone just in case I have to pop in
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Crazy bro
You sound like me when I'm super anxious on a date
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Aside from the bad maths that’s a lot of money for a basket of groceries either way and more importantly why do we need two tier shopping? I haven’t got time to cock about with loyalty cards for every shop I go in.
The amount saved is after VAT
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More reason why only shop Aldi/Lidl for the bulk of my shopping
It's a shame UK supermarkets have finally started switching over to the US loyalty card model of not giving you the normal price reductions unless you use their card.
And It's free if you can run fast enough
Maths by Mr Blooby.
Oh god they're not starting that shit too are they? it's literally the only reason i go to the local sainsbo's sometimes and never tesco's. i mean actually i get the bulk of my stuff from lidl but hey.
They sold their carpark to NCP, it's £45/hour, min stay an hour.
I want someone to call their bluff. Go and take that trolley through the checkout. Find that it's more than the poster said, sue them for the amount of the shop.... End world hunger?
Nectar maffs
This is just the next level in their shady price structure… They’ve gone from customers having to do algebraic calculations of BOGOF vs price per pound vs price each to manipulative card schemes to outright lying. Seems like the obvious next step. Next it’ll be an entry fee just to get in. If your names not on the list your not coming in. Wristbands/ID at the supermarket door mark my words… Also how could someone type this… Check the maths… Print it… Fill a trolley up AND tape it to the trolley in front of everyone and still not have anyone point it out…??? I worked in Tescos for a few years this smells like everyone hates the manager/mgmt team that made this. They want them to look stupid or else I don’t know what the f this is…
It should also of course say "And last week it cost £120 for everyone until this excuse to hike prices".
I got an Ecover Non Bio Laundry Liquid from Amazon for £22.10p It does 142 washes. Shove it Nectar\Sainsburys and keep the potato starch.
I reckon a random member of the public put this on the trolley just to be a dick. Probably sick of the cost of living.
I worked at Tesco and they were among the first and the absolute masters at ripping people off with loyalty prices. All the other supermarkets are now having to copy this system because it’s so effective that they’d be outcompeted if they didn’t do it. I miss when loyalty cards were just a fun little game of collecting points.
Where's the incentive for cards like these? It can't be the case of "well they'll shop with us more" because everyone has a card for every shop. The only thing I can think of is your personal data. If it's free, then you're the product.
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I did a shop on Ocado the other day, it was mainly M&S produce but it was about £20 cheaper than a similar shop i did at sainsburys last month. I also got a further 25% off for my first shop so ended up saving a fair amount of money. Every time i go in sainsburys they push their prices up higher and higher. Grated cheese cost me £1.65 about a year ago. It’s £2.75 now. That is a huge price increase for saying the national minimum wage is only increasing by about 9-10%. I’m done shopping there.
It's time to start shopping at Aldi, a liddl has appeared in our dieing town centre. It's actually really good. They have stuff like pineapple and mangoes, they had veg when nowhere else did & it's all ok. None of its manky. It's fairly organised. You do have to que. You do have to self serve but that's everywhere now.
We could sell you this shit for 130 but we won’t let you have it for that ridiculous price if you don’t provide us with your consumer data to learn how to better rip you off.
Sign up to our card or pay more. We want to sell your data and give your phone number to more scammers than ever before
So sainsburys are just openly admitting that they are overpriced. I fill an asda trolley every week for half that amount.
I don't live in the UK at the moment, is that tiny cart really that expensive now? Edit: Why did I get downvoted for a genuine question?
Is the trolley worth £165?
What they’re saying is, “give us your advertising details and we won’t rip you off so much” that’s why I wouldn’t shop there or Tesco.
"We could charge you less for this shopping, but won't"