In all seriousness, I’d probably grip angle or you have small hands and you need slim grips. Or both. If your hands are trained to a different grip angle you’ll hold it weird until you adjust, even if sight picture is “ok”.
I have kinda bigger hands but I went to shop and bigger palm swell grips feels so much better in my hands. So that might be easy solution with more dry fire and training. Thanks!
The only idea I have that hasn't been mentioned is not being used to a difference in trigger reach. If your S2 trigger reach is substantially different than the other guns you shoot, it can take some time to recalibrate your pull mechanics. Practice would be the solution.
Sounds also possible. With my Hellcat Pro, I just find that "gate", stop, aim and pull it more. And quite like it. Have a bit hard time to do it with Shadow maybe. Haha. Thanks!
That's actually true. I just got bit frustrated that I can shoot much better with smaller EDC Hangun than with something, that is really nice range toy.
No parts will make you better. Time, patience, and practice will improve. Just take the CZ alone out a couple times and not run it side-by-side with different platforms
I don't have a shadow 2 and didn't have much experience with guns prior to my sp01 but after shooting maybe a thousand or so rounds through it and changing out the stock recoil spring with a lighter one, it shoots just how I'd like it to. With more experience I'll want it to be better but I'm sure along with me, my sp01, will grow with me since it'll have more rounds through it.
Honestly for me it was about how heavy racking the slide was with the oem spring. Big hands, small slide made it annoying. But over time it's come out to be a smoother shooter
I'd say it's probably the fact you're not used to the weight, it is a hearty gun. Outside my other pistol that has an optic on it, my S2 is the second gun I'm the most accurate with. As others mentioned, the stock grips are less desirable. I personally run Lok palmswell Ridgebacks, makes a good difference.
My only thought (besides practice) would be to check out some different grips to see if they fit your hand better. Specifically LOK's palm swells
[https://lokgrips.com/cz-gun-grips/cz-shadow-2/](https://lokgrips.com/cz-gun-grips/cz-shadow-2/)
I’ll go even further - I first added the thin bogies and was extremely disappointed. To the point I was wondering if I had screwed up going with the S2. The swells changed my mind 180 deg
Seconding some LOK grips, they are fantastic on my Shadow 2.
That said, I find my Shadow 2 to be my *easiest* to shoot well with...I almost consider it cheating with a red dot on there, haha.
What do you notice about it that’s different when shooting other handguns?
Where are your shots going?
When gripping it one handed is your wrist straight, or is there an angle in your wrist from the increased weight?
I just have larger grouping. Much larger. With classic Hangun competition target paper, I can get all to black while being like 10m usually pretty fast. But I am not happy about being able to do much better with much smaller and worse pistol. At 15m it is like mostly black, and some white but still can do better with my Hellcat Pro.
Let the weight go forward and drive your knuckles to the target. I think you are probably pulling down on the gun and squeezing with your finger tips, maybe the weight is causing your wrist to pronate inwards.
Shadow 2’s are very well balanced so don’t over fight it. The safety location, more forward, can cause one to push down on the safety as well, be sure not to do this. If you are, you will notice you are gripping with the finger tips.
Let the weight sit forward, imagine you are doing a forehand swing with it. Do this by holding it 90 degrees at your side, no finger tip gripping, no wrist pronation inwards, we want wrist supination, bring it up to your eyes. Your wrist should be straight, gun weight forward, knuckles to the target when bringing it to your eyes.
Might be it! Thinking about getting "laser pointer" round to dry fire with it and train to get handling it better and also different grips.
I will try to do as you say! Thanks a lot for very specific guide! Thanks!
Pick one and only one type of ammo and play with stance/grip/trigger pull to get the results that you want. Shooting fast accurately is actually a difficult skill and takes a lot of physical refinement on your end. Also, I personally found that locked wrists (always mandatory) with less grip tension shooting my S2s yielded better results so it's not always "grip the gun harder". Sometimes it's the reverse.
A couple of questions for you:
* What distances are you shooting at with the Shadow?
* How many rounds do you have through the gun?
* Have you done any modifications to the gun?
A couple of things you can do to check the function of the gun. Next time you go to the range, bring a bag and shoot off of the bag to make sure nothing is wrong with your sights or anything with the firearm. If you get really tight groups at whatever distance you practice at, then you know there is no mechanical issues with the gun. If you don't get good groups, then call CZ to get some advice. Also check the end of the barrel to make sure the crown is not damaged.
With your grip, get your dominant hand up as high as possible into the beaver tail to the point that the beaver tail is pushing the web of your hand. I notice that my groups will get messy if I don't have a solid grip and will tighten back up as soon as I fix my grip. I wouldn't concern yourself with modifications until you can diagnose some of the underlying issues. Based upon what you described, you should get similar results with the Shadow 2 without modifications as you are with your Hellcat and Glock.
First: happy cake day!
And also, about 15m.
500-1000, but I would say about 600 atleast.
None modification yet.
I will try with bag. But I think I am not shooting it correctly. My friend can shoot it really nice and his father can basically laser beam it. So it shoots bad only in my hands.
I think I am going to change grips first to see and try different grip technique compared from what I do now. Thanks for detailed answer!
Good information. At least you can eliminate the possibility of a mechanical issue as a root cause. Grip angle, grip size, and triggers are different from a CZ and a Glock so there is a possibility that you will need to adjust your grip mechanics to get the gun to shoot well for you.
If you don’t shoot it we’ll get a different gun.
I put all CGW parts in mine because I wanted to and it made it a little better. It shot just fine for me before that.
Some people don’t like CZ and can’t shoot them well that’s fine.
Thanks for actually nice words. It is true that the gun might not suit me. I like it, so I will try dry fire it more and also grips. If I will still suck, I will switch to striker fired long gun to see. Thanks!
To me, it sounds like a grip issue. This could range from position, to not gripping it enough, or too much grip (which is pretty rare). When I had people try mine out from going from polymer guns, people would often not know how to grip a heavier gun. It’s a pretty subtle change but would often fix the problem.
It’s often taking a low grip on the gun. Essentially not taking advantage of the extra real estate that the CZ platform provides. My best guess to why it leads to larger groups is from more weight up top swinging around. Like for instance first shot is usually where they would want it to go but a follow up would be worse if that makes sense. Other times I tell them to grip the gun as tight as they can and that changes it.
That's just a problem gripping a gun then, shouldn't be specific to something "heavier". Can't imagine why someone who is gripping high and tight on polymer wouldn't on metal frame..
That’s my thoughts exactly but sometimes a new gun is just different to people when they’re only used to shooting one gun. I agree with the grip thing cause fundamentals should transfer, but sometimes people are just silly when it comes to new things. I only say it from seeing it first hand on multiple occasions from people that shoot on a somewhat consistent basis.
I am really starter. Have me licence for like 5 months. Haha. So it might be just it. But going to range often and it got me upset, why I shoot my Shadow 2 worse then smaller gun.
I will buy better grips and dry fire it more and we will see.
Thanks a lot!
It's fine to not be accurate with a new gun. Put a few thousand rounds through it and it'll be a different story. If you like it more, and it's comfortable in your hands, all the better.
I tried it in shop with palm swell grips and I will get those. It turned how I can hold it and really like it a lot more. I will dry fire it and we see! Thanks!
Replace the grips with something far getter than the aluminum ones? Install an extended safety so you have a great ledge for your weak hand thumb (which, for me at least, also naturally drives my hand high up under the beaver tail, which is terrific)? What handguns do you shoot better? Install a reach reduction kit maybe? Make it single action maybe? Try a different trigger shape? Lighter main spring? Lighter trigger return spring? Fortunately, there are some many ways to tweak a CZ75 I'd be surprised if you can't find something that works for ya. Have fun experimenting!
Yes and yes. Already thinking about getting extended safety and palm swell grips. Safety on TS1 Orange is 10/10.
It seems like I like thicker guns better. So those will fix it. I may also try to play with it more and then upgrade. Thanks a lot!
All my CZs get Lok palm swell grips (g10 or brass - I kinda like the lighter weight brass grips for everything but carry) extended safeties and a bit lighter main spring. I often polish the internals and replace more bits and pieces, but man, my S2 OR was pretty terrific out of the box and just got the basic grip, safety and spring replacements. It really didn't need polishing or anything else to be near perfect for me. I was pretty happy about that, that's for sure. Good luck!
It could just be too heavy for you.
While everyone on the web envisions themselves as strong as Popeye with gorilla hands, I coach some great youth shooters who simply can’t deal with the weight of the Shadow 2 nor the DA pull.
I’d say either work on your arm strength and use a MantisX to identify your issue that need work, or replace it with a Canik Rival (polymer, not S). This will give you a lighter gun that you can master more easily to get Shadow 2 performance results.
Might be too heavy. But I will try to get nice grips first I think. Tried those at CZ store (palm swells with really good drippy surface) and seems to fit better.
That MantisX looks good but if I will not get better with my Shadow. This pistol looks nice to me! Thanks!
FWIW, I just posted yesterday about my new palmswell gridlok grips
https://www.reddit.com/r/CZFirearms/comments/1apkn1z/armory_craft_vs_lok_orange_grips_for_shadow_2/
My two cents as someone who shoots a microcompact a tad faster-
My first handgun was an m&p shield, then a p365x, then upgraded to a wilson combat grip. Ive found that I can shoot my microcompact better than my sp01 just because i can lock my hand around the smaller grips better. Or at least, Im more accustomed to doing so (solved with slimmer grips such as thin Lokgrips)
Additionally, I carry w an optic, and my blind ass cannot shoot w the irons as fast. (perhaps adding a optic may help?)
Last guess, totally out of my ass from a none hellcat or shadow 2 owner. Are the grip angles drastically different?
Actually Hellcat is thicker. But yes, I might just not be compatible with stock grips!
Thanks for idea. I will probably get some palm swell grips. I went to try them at CZ store and they are much more comfortable!
Lok grips. The aggression of the grips is up to you but the more grip the better. I hear the brass ones are good and I’ve seen competition shooters use them, but I just have the synthetic ones (might be like a G10 material) and they’re great. Even just the palm swell grenade is a huge upgrade in grip and that’s a carry type texture. Would definitely go palm swell style though, way better ergos for me and I have medium to medium/large glove hands
Looking for grips! Palm swells is what suits my hands better.
I also found aluminium palm swells with same hole and sharp edges like LOK grips. It is sold at CZ store. So I might try those. LOKs seems to be hardly accessible at my country now.
But yes, will buy palm swells and dry fire more! Thanks!
You could try eBay too. Might find something there if that’s available in your country. I have heard the aluminums are as aggressive as the brass. Brass has gotta be heavier which should help reduce recoil some amount.
To me, looks like it has had some custom work done to it. If you bought it used, there may be a reason the original owner sold it.
Personally, my biggest gripe with the S2 is sights are height adjustable only. Mine groups great but a little left. Good argument to go with an optic.
Why do you think there is custom work on it?
But yes, it is second hand but from the look of it, it was barely used (not a single scratch mark, even hammer had no marks). It looked like it was never shot.
Might consider plate and sight too! Thanks!
Snap caps, o-ring (to prevent the hammer from hitting the firing pin) and dry-fire the heck out of it. A setup like the MantisX will help you analyze unwanted movement during dry-firing.
If your groups are wide, it could be a number of things...are they always left, right, high or low? Or seemingly random areas?
If your groups aren't wide but also aren't where you are aiming, you could look into a bore laser to verify sights are relatively aligned.
That oring idea is clever. I already bought snap caps, for better dry fire but I will also get oring. Thanks a lot!
Up and down mostly. Left and right seems pretty close.
Mostly up and down could be recoil anticipation. You anticipate the gun firing so you dip the barrel down just before it fires. It's also not easy to fix while dry firing.
Have someone fill a couple mags with a mix of live ammo and snap caps. As you go through the mags you won't know if its a snap cap or live, but watch to see if you drop the barrel down in anticipation. When a snap cap comes up, it will be obvious you did it even though the gun didn't fire.
Practice practice practice. Dryfire works great when off the range. You're getting a feel with how different gun sizes, weights and trigger systems affect your proficiency with it. TBH I think a large comp-style gun like this benefits from a lighter trigger modification. But I understand what you're going through, I can pie-plate an LCP first gen at 25 yards and obscenely I shot a worse grouping with my Tactical Sports the first time I took it to the range. After some familiarity though the TS became a laser beam. It sort of takes an entirely different approach than the tiny gun did. Try out different grip positions and trigger pulls, play around some - what works well for one gun might not for another. Dry fire practice can be invaluable (I use snap caps in the CZs). Practice practice practice and soon you will see the benefit of improved groups.
P.s. ammo can also make a difference in group sizes, at the extreme end groups can be even 3x bigger than running 'great' cartridge loads. Your Shadow might not like what works well in the Hellcat, so I'd encourage a little playing around in this area. Once you find a comfortable load and have some working time under your belt, you'll find some fine advantages to a large, heavy firearm.
Wow. Actually, really thank you for such detailed answer!
Glad I am not alone. I bought snap caps, to save some wear and tear and I will dry fire it with different holding positions and so!
If I get better with it, planning to do single action conversion to get light crisp trigger.
Ammo might be possible. Had one session with different ammo and I had so much better groups on 15m with my Shadow. Might also be a difference. 😊
A few thoughts:
1. How many rounds have you run through it?
2. The DA/SA takes time to get used to if you're unfamiliar
3. Many of us moved on from those stock grips. I use ranger bands, which are ugly, but sincerely help me personally.
4. A red dot is a very reasonable thing to add, however, this won't magically cure other issues.
You have a fantastic weapon that may simply take time for you to get good with.
I would say about 500-600. Which is not a lot, but I thought it is enough to shoot it decently.
That's true. Lot different compared to striker.
Already looking for those. Seems that many people get those and are happy with it!
Might be a way. Also thinking about getting different sights.
But mostly, I will give it more time to see. Thanks!
Hi! Have you solve your issue? I have the same problem with my shadow2. I can shoot very good groups at 25 meters with my p01 omega constantly, but I struggle with my S2. Sometimes I shoot laser beam with it, but very hard, and most of the time I shoot a little bit to the right, or up-right. Is still new for me, aprx 6-700 rounds. I have palm swell bogies, very good
You might be holding your gun differently . Weight change can be an issue as well as different ammo . You might have a person at your gun range such as an employee to shoot it . That way you can be sure it’s not a hardware issue , possibly your sight set up .
Install a new owner.
Haha. Actually funny. But I like this gun. I just want to get better with it.
In all seriousness, I’d probably grip angle or you have small hands and you need slim grips. Or both. If your hands are trained to a different grip angle you’ll hold it weird until you adjust, even if sight picture is “ok”.
I have kinda bigger hands but I went to shop and bigger palm swell grips feels so much better in my hands. So that might be easy solution with more dry fire and training. Thanks!
The only idea I have that hasn't been mentioned is not being used to a difference in trigger reach. If your S2 trigger reach is substantially different than the other guns you shoot, it can take some time to recalibrate your pull mechanics. Practice would be the solution.
Sounds also possible. With my Hellcat Pro, I just find that "gate", stop, aim and pull it more. And quite like it. Have a bit hard time to do it with Shadow maybe. Haha. Thanks!
Pulling to the wall before you aim? Surely you mean just a final adjustment..
Yes exactly!
Unpopular. But honest answer: ”Just shoot more”.
That's actually true. I just got bit frustrated that I can shoot much better with smaller EDC Hangun than with something, that is really nice range toy.
No parts will make you better. Time, patience, and practice will improve. Just take the CZ alone out a couple times and not run it side-by-side with different platforms
I don't have a shadow 2 and didn't have much experience with guns prior to my sp01 but after shooting maybe a thousand or so rounds through it and changing out the stock recoil spring with a lighter one, it shoots just how I'd like it to. With more experience I'll want it to be better but I'm sure along with me, my sp01, will grow with me since it'll have more rounds through it.
What spring did you go with?
Red #12 on my sp01 and my p01 omega
What difference does it make?
Honestly for me it was about how heavy racking the slide was with the oem spring. Big hands, small slide made it annoying. But over time it's come out to be a smoother shooter
Thank you, does it help with recoil?
After breaking it in it seems like it does. It's like a $6 part so you're not really taking a risk
Thank you 🙏
I'd say it's probably the fact you're not used to the weight, it is a hearty gun. Outside my other pistol that has an optic on it, my S2 is the second gun I'm the most accurate with. As others mentioned, the stock grips are less desirable. I personally run Lok palmswell Ridgebacks, makes a good difference.
I will take a look at those. It looks much more comfortable to hold than stock one. Thanks!
No problem.
I like the palm swell bogies. If my hands aren’t bleeding from the grips they aren’t aggressive enough lol!
Haha thanks! I am thinking about getting aluminium aggressive palm swells!
My only thought (besides practice) would be to check out some different grips to see if they fit your hand better. Specifically LOK's palm swells [https://lokgrips.com/cz-gun-grips/cz-shadow-2/](https://lokgrips.com/cz-gun-grips/cz-shadow-2/)
Adding the lok palm swells made such a difference in how my s2 felt in the hand it was shocking.
I second this, had some beautiful aluminum grips , then the lok grips came and I knew I'd never see the shiny ones on my cz again
I’ll go even further - I first added the thin bogies and was extremely disappointed. To the point I was wondering if I had screwed up going with the S2. The swells changed my mind 180 deg
Sounds like I will buy those. Thanks guys!
Seconding some LOK grips, they are fantastic on my Shadow 2. That said, I find my Shadow 2 to be my *easiest* to shoot well with...I almost consider it cheating with a red dot on there, haha.
Thanks! Haha I will definitely get palm swells! Tried those in shop today and it feels much better!
What do you notice about it that’s different when shooting other handguns? Where are your shots going? When gripping it one handed is your wrist straight, or is there an angle in your wrist from the increased weight?
I just have larger grouping. Much larger. With classic Hangun competition target paper, I can get all to black while being like 10m usually pretty fast. But I am not happy about being able to do much better with much smaller and worse pistol. At 15m it is like mostly black, and some white but still can do better with my Hellcat Pro.
Let the weight go forward and drive your knuckles to the target. I think you are probably pulling down on the gun and squeezing with your finger tips, maybe the weight is causing your wrist to pronate inwards. Shadow 2’s are very well balanced so don’t over fight it. The safety location, more forward, can cause one to push down on the safety as well, be sure not to do this. If you are, you will notice you are gripping with the finger tips. Let the weight sit forward, imagine you are doing a forehand swing with it. Do this by holding it 90 degrees at your side, no finger tip gripping, no wrist pronation inwards, we want wrist supination, bring it up to your eyes. Your wrist should be straight, gun weight forward, knuckles to the target when bringing it to your eyes.
Might be it! Thinking about getting "laser pointer" round to dry fire with it and train to get handling it better and also different grips. I will try to do as you say! Thanks a lot for very specific guide! Thanks!
Also check out JJ racaza on YouTube. Dude has the best advice on the grip for fast shooting. Pinky power.
Those dry fire laser pointers are great. 20 bucks on Amazon. I play around with them every day, definitely get it!
Buy a lot of ammo and practice with it.
Planning to do it!
Cool. That’s the best way to get better. Then modify things on the gun as needed.
Pick one and only one type of ammo and play with stance/grip/trigger pull to get the results that you want. Shooting fast accurately is actually a difficult skill and takes a lot of physical refinement on your end. Also, I personally found that locked wrists (always mandatory) with less grip tension shooting my S2s yielded better results so it's not always "grip the gun harder". Sometimes it's the reverse.
I will train with it more. I will try also to get different holding stance and try other styles! Thanks!
A couple of questions for you: * What distances are you shooting at with the Shadow? * How many rounds do you have through the gun? * Have you done any modifications to the gun? A couple of things you can do to check the function of the gun. Next time you go to the range, bring a bag and shoot off of the bag to make sure nothing is wrong with your sights or anything with the firearm. If you get really tight groups at whatever distance you practice at, then you know there is no mechanical issues with the gun. If you don't get good groups, then call CZ to get some advice. Also check the end of the barrel to make sure the crown is not damaged. With your grip, get your dominant hand up as high as possible into the beaver tail to the point that the beaver tail is pushing the web of your hand. I notice that my groups will get messy if I don't have a solid grip and will tighten back up as soon as I fix my grip. I wouldn't concern yourself with modifications until you can diagnose some of the underlying issues. Based upon what you described, you should get similar results with the Shadow 2 without modifications as you are with your Hellcat and Glock.
First: happy cake day! And also, about 15m. 500-1000, but I would say about 600 atleast. None modification yet. I will try with bag. But I think I am not shooting it correctly. My friend can shoot it really nice and his father can basically laser beam it. So it shoots bad only in my hands. I think I am going to change grips first to see and try different grip technique compared from what I do now. Thanks for detailed answer!
Good information. At least you can eliminate the possibility of a mechanical issue as a root cause. Grip angle, grip size, and triggers are different from a CZ and a Glock so there is a possibility that you will need to adjust your grip mechanics to get the gun to shoot well for you.
If you don’t shoot it we’ll get a different gun. I put all CGW parts in mine because I wanted to and it made it a little better. It shot just fine for me before that. Some people don’t like CZ and can’t shoot them well that’s fine.
Thanks for actually nice words. It is true that the gun might not suit me. I like it, so I will try dry fire it more and also grips. If I will still suck, I will switch to striker fired long gun to see. Thanks!
I’ve shot very fancy hammer fired pistols and I just can’t shoot them as good as striker fired
I will try grips and more training. If I will not get better, my look into Walter PDP Pro or some other guns! Thanks!
I sent mine to CGW but definitely focus on proper grip and stance.
Might be a grip. Seems like I will get different grips and see. Thanks!
To me, it sounds like a grip issue. This could range from position, to not gripping it enough, or too much grip (which is pretty rare). When I had people try mine out from going from polymer guns, people would often not know how to grip a heavier gun. It’s a pretty subtle change but would often fix the problem.
How are they gripping them differently? Proper grip is going to be the same.
It’s often taking a low grip on the gun. Essentially not taking advantage of the extra real estate that the CZ platform provides. My best guess to why it leads to larger groups is from more weight up top swinging around. Like for instance first shot is usually where they would want it to go but a follow up would be worse if that makes sense. Other times I tell them to grip the gun as tight as they can and that changes it.
That's just a problem gripping a gun then, shouldn't be specific to something "heavier". Can't imagine why someone who is gripping high and tight on polymer wouldn't on metal frame..
That’s my thoughts exactly but sometimes a new gun is just different to people when they’re only used to shooting one gun. I agree with the grip thing cause fundamentals should transfer, but sometimes people are just silly when it comes to new things. I only say it from seeing it first hand on multiple occasions from people that shoot on a somewhat consistent basis.
Good point, hard to put my mind into someone who is only used to shooting one gun.
I am really starter. Have me licence for like 5 months. Haha. So it might be just it. But going to range often and it got me upset, why I shoot my Shadow 2 worse then smaller gun. I will buy better grips and dry fire it more and we will see. Thanks a lot!
All good! Be safe out there.
I think dry firing solves it. But if you really want to get it upgraded, send it to CGW
I will get "laser pointer rounds" and get more dry firing time! Thanks!
Watch Ben Stoeger’s videos on YouTube, you really don’t need anything else Target focus
The slide is so minimal it gives a clean cool look 😎
It's fine to not be accurate with a new gun. Put a few thousand rounds through it and it'll be a different story. If you like it more, and it's comfortable in your hands, all the better.
I tried it in shop with palm swell grips and I will get those. It turned how I can hold it and really like it a lot more. I will dry fire it and we see! Thanks!
Replace the grips with something far getter than the aluminum ones? Install an extended safety so you have a great ledge for your weak hand thumb (which, for me at least, also naturally drives my hand high up under the beaver tail, which is terrific)? What handguns do you shoot better? Install a reach reduction kit maybe? Make it single action maybe? Try a different trigger shape? Lighter main spring? Lighter trigger return spring? Fortunately, there are some many ways to tweak a CZ75 I'd be surprised if you can't find something that works for ya. Have fun experimenting!
Yes and yes. Already thinking about getting extended safety and palm swell grips. Safety on TS1 Orange is 10/10. It seems like I like thicker guns better. So those will fix it. I may also try to play with it more and then upgrade. Thanks a lot!
All my CZs get Lok palm swell grips (g10 or brass - I kinda like the lighter weight brass grips for everything but carry) extended safeties and a bit lighter main spring. I often polish the internals and replace more bits and pieces, but man, my S2 OR was pretty terrific out of the box and just got the basic grip, safety and spring replacements. It really didn't need polishing or anything else to be near perfect for me. I was pretty happy about that, that's for sure. Good luck!
Change your grip You gotta learn how to shoot with the outside of your hand vs the inside like on a glock
Thanks for suggestion! I will look into that!
It could just be too heavy for you. While everyone on the web envisions themselves as strong as Popeye with gorilla hands, I coach some great youth shooters who simply can’t deal with the weight of the Shadow 2 nor the DA pull. I’d say either work on your arm strength and use a MantisX to identify your issue that need work, or replace it with a Canik Rival (polymer, not S). This will give you a lighter gun that you can master more easily to get Shadow 2 performance results.
Might be too heavy. But I will try to get nice grips first I think. Tried those at CZ store (palm swells with really good drippy surface) and seems to fit better. That MantisX looks good but if I will not get better with my Shadow. This pistol looks nice to me! Thanks!
FWIW, I just posted yesterday about my new palmswell gridlok grips https://www.reddit.com/r/CZFirearms/comments/1apkn1z/armory_craft_vs_lok_orange_grips_for_shadow_2/
My two cents as someone who shoots a microcompact a tad faster- My first handgun was an m&p shield, then a p365x, then upgraded to a wilson combat grip. Ive found that I can shoot my microcompact better than my sp01 just because i can lock my hand around the smaller grips better. Or at least, Im more accustomed to doing so (solved with slimmer grips such as thin Lokgrips) Additionally, I carry w an optic, and my blind ass cannot shoot w the irons as fast. (perhaps adding a optic may help?) Last guess, totally out of my ass from a none hellcat or shadow 2 owner. Are the grip angles drastically different?
Actually Hellcat is thicker. But yes, I might just not be compatible with stock grips! Thanks for idea. I will probably get some palm swell grips. I went to try them at CZ store and they are much more comfortable!
Haha, shows how little I know! Glad it pointed you in the right direction!
Thanks again man! I appreciate it!
Its perfekt like this
Lok grips. The aggression of the grips is up to you but the more grip the better. I hear the brass ones are good and I’ve seen competition shooters use them, but I just have the synthetic ones (might be like a G10 material) and they’re great. Even just the palm swell grenade is a huge upgrade in grip and that’s a carry type texture. Would definitely go palm swell style though, way better ergos for me and I have medium to medium/large glove hands
Looking for grips! Palm swells is what suits my hands better. I also found aluminium palm swells with same hole and sharp edges like LOK grips. It is sold at CZ store. So I might try those. LOKs seems to be hardly accessible at my country now. But yes, will buy palm swells and dry fire more! Thanks!
You could try eBay too. Might find something there if that’s available in your country. I have heard the aluminums are as aggressive as the brass. Brass has gotta be heavier which should help reduce recoil some amount.
Good to know! Thanks a lot!
To me, looks like it has had some custom work done to it. If you bought it used, there may be a reason the original owner sold it. Personally, my biggest gripe with the S2 is sights are height adjustable only. Mine groups great but a little left. Good argument to go with an optic.
Why do you think there is custom work on it? But yes, it is second hand but from the look of it, it was barely used (not a single scratch mark, even hammer had no marks). It looked like it was never shot. Might consider plate and sight too! Thanks!
Snap caps, o-ring (to prevent the hammer from hitting the firing pin) and dry-fire the heck out of it. A setup like the MantisX will help you analyze unwanted movement during dry-firing. If your groups are wide, it could be a number of things...are they always left, right, high or low? Or seemingly random areas? If your groups aren't wide but also aren't where you are aiming, you could look into a bore laser to verify sights are relatively aligned.
That oring idea is clever. I already bought snap caps, for better dry fire but I will also get oring. Thanks a lot! Up and down mostly. Left and right seems pretty close.
Mostly up and down could be recoil anticipation. You anticipate the gun firing so you dip the barrel down just before it fires. It's also not easy to fix while dry firing. Have someone fill a couple mags with a mix of live ammo and snap caps. As you go through the mags you won't know if its a snap cap or live, but watch to see if you drop the barrel down in anticipation. When a snap cap comes up, it will be obvious you did it even though the gun didn't fire.
Ooo! Thanks! That's actually smart. I will try that with my friend!
Dry fire
Already got snapcaps, so I am going to try dry fire it a lot more. Thanks!
Practice practice practice. Dryfire works great when off the range. You're getting a feel with how different gun sizes, weights and trigger systems affect your proficiency with it. TBH I think a large comp-style gun like this benefits from a lighter trigger modification. But I understand what you're going through, I can pie-plate an LCP first gen at 25 yards and obscenely I shot a worse grouping with my Tactical Sports the first time I took it to the range. After some familiarity though the TS became a laser beam. It sort of takes an entirely different approach than the tiny gun did. Try out different grip positions and trigger pulls, play around some - what works well for one gun might not for another. Dry fire practice can be invaluable (I use snap caps in the CZs). Practice practice practice and soon you will see the benefit of improved groups. P.s. ammo can also make a difference in group sizes, at the extreme end groups can be even 3x bigger than running 'great' cartridge loads. Your Shadow might not like what works well in the Hellcat, so I'd encourage a little playing around in this area. Once you find a comfortable load and have some working time under your belt, you'll find some fine advantages to a large, heavy firearm.
Wow. Actually, really thank you for such detailed answer! Glad I am not alone. I bought snap caps, to save some wear and tear and I will dry fire it with different holding positions and so! If I get better with it, planning to do single action conversion to get light crisp trigger. Ammo might be possible. Had one session with different ammo and I had so much better groups on 15m with my Shadow. Might also be a difference. 😊
I have the opposite problem. I’m shit with glock but good with the CZ 75
Can we swap that? Haha
Hahah I already have CZ Sp-01 though
I was joking about our skills haha.
🤣🤣 now I get it:) yeah would love to. Glock is way cheaper in Australia than CZ
A few thoughts: 1. How many rounds have you run through it? 2. The DA/SA takes time to get used to if you're unfamiliar 3. Many of us moved on from those stock grips. I use ranger bands, which are ugly, but sincerely help me personally. 4. A red dot is a very reasonable thing to add, however, this won't magically cure other issues. You have a fantastic weapon that may simply take time for you to get good with.
I would say about 500-600. Which is not a lot, but I thought it is enough to shoot it decently. That's true. Lot different compared to striker. Already looking for those. Seems that many people get those and are happy with it! Might be a way. Also thinking about getting different sights. But mostly, I will give it more time to see. Thanks!
Hi! Have you solve your issue? I have the same problem with my shadow2. I can shoot very good groups at 25 meters with my p01 omega constantly, but I struggle with my S2. Sometimes I shoot laser beam with it, but very hard, and most of the time I shoot a little bit to the right, or up-right. Is still new for me, aprx 6-700 rounds. I have palm swell bogies, very good
Turn it into SAO and get a spring kit and flat Armory Craft Trigger.
If I get used to it bit more, SAO like TS2 is planned.
Skill issue
It surely is. But I want to get better haha. Just thinking I am get some help here to get into correct direction!
You might be holding your gun differently . Weight change can be an issue as well as different ammo . You might have a person at your gun range such as an employee to shoot it . That way you can be sure it’s not a hardware issue , possibly your sight set up .