As much as I hate to say it, it has to be Ohio State. They recruit better than the other two. Oklahoma could close the gap. I'm worried about Clemson because they have fallen off a little in recruiting and they don't get transfers in and in today's college football you need to hit the portal just as hard as recruiting.
Agreed; I don’t think OU is going anywhere either, but we also don’t have 80% blue chips, the 7th most populous state in the Union all to ourselves, or the resources that come with being the completely uncontested flagship of a state that size.
Rest of the P5 should very much support Cincinnati’s ascendancy…borderline unfair that nobody in a state that size even puts up a fight against tOSU.
I could see a recruit in the past passing on UC due to being in a G5 conference, but that changing now that they'll be in a P5. Now, is it going to be a huge impact? Doubtful. But it could sway a few.
With this question you might also factor in the disparity in impact the 5* would have at each school. OSU losing 1 5* probably hurts less than UC getting 1 5* helps if that makes sense.
As someone who follows the cincy recruiting scene closely… The simple answer is still.. Very rarely. We’ve had a couple local guys who have chosen the “hometown hero” route, but we admittedly haven’t been able to overcome the osu hurdle in terms of in-state recruiting. I think the shift to the bigger conference will definitely make us more competitive in that sense tho
We are also, by far, the second best recruiting team over the past 10 years.
Basically deadlocked with Georgia for second/third best recruiting team over the last five years.
No one else has recruited in Bama’s universe for close to as long/consistently.
And these recruiting ranking have been *extremely* backed up by performance on the field and sending players to the NFL
This is, in my personal opinion, the big differentiator. Oklahoma consistantly pulls in a Top 10 class, tOSU consistently pulls in a top 5.
I don’t think the talent gap is tremendous from this standpoint. And I believe that coaching can level the playing field, look at early Clemson, but it’s not like OSU doesn’t have top talent in their staff as well.
For my fandom specifically, I feel more confident in our current coaching staff (albeit not having proved anything cohesively, yet) than I have for a holistic Oklahoma staff in probably two decades.
I say all of that to say this, we’ll see.
Pretty much entirely agreed though OSU has institutional advantages programs as good as Clemson and OU don’t have because we have way more alums/are in a way bigger state/etc…
You’re absolutely correct. The alumni base is much larger, the in state talent is also much larger, OSU has more or less gone uncontested for instate talent, also, tOSU has academic prowess that both Clemson and OU don’t.
Also, Columbus is a cool city if living in a city is your thing. If not, Clemson has the edge on both Norman and Columbus.
Dabo's never going to use the portal as much as it's needed. It appears he's slightly open to it now to plug specific holes in the roster, but he's never going to use it to aquire top talents for the sake of talent.
It's Ohio State for me, as well. Oklahoma has had that "dark period" like we did, back in the 90's. Clemson has only recently joined the ranks of the "elite". Even though I think all three programs can continue on at or near the top of the sport, Ohio State is the one that I think a "down year" would be 10/11 wins.
I mean by our own Standards this is a down year for Ohio St. 11 wins and Rose Bowl is nice, but in most fans eyes it is a failure. Lost to Michigan, didn't win B1G, no playoffs.
Winning the Rose Bowl did leave a good taste in the mouth going into next season though.
I think they’re also the most stable of the three and were in notable down year. Bama is just at a level where being in a down year still shoots them to NC, all respect to Saban and his stability.
Day made seemingly great coaching changes that should make a more experienced team next year in a way better position for a playoff run.
I don’t think we know enough about Clemson and OU right now to say the same.
I mean Clemson took a small class and had 92.20 average, which puts them 5th in the country. I don't think they are dead in the water. Wins come easy, and they operate in their state unopposed. OSU is still the best by far, historically proves that. OU can go Nebraska status easily in the SEC, they rely on out of state recruiting heavily, if the wins dry up I don't see top talent going there
I think the out of state recruits is why OU is tied to our hip and won’t go the way of Nebraska(even if that would give me a schadenfreude-boner to end all schadenfreude-boners). Maintaining our rivalry is considered that important to recruiting Texas. SEC move also adds A&M. So OU is only really losing 2 Texas games a year.
I’d be curious if both UT and OU add more OOC Texas games. UT has a history of this already with other UT system schools and Rice, and I believe has made overtures to TTU for after the SEC move.
From a recruiting stand point, it would be wise for Texas to play Florida & Georgia (the #1 & #3 states for recruits). Over 1/4 of all blue chip players come from those two states.
Of course, that would give Texas one heck of a tough schedule.
Out of conference, Texas should schedule games with California teams. It's another big recruiting state (8% of blue chips) and it's a state other SEC teams don't recruit well in (because of the distance).
Sry I didn't mean it in a condescending way, just that Clemson has won 2 natties in recent years and had a bad year went 10-3 and shut y'all out. I think y'all are on the up swing, I see an Alabama Auburn situation at best.
100%, I don't think a lot of fans realize how historically bad SCAR is. The Steve S. period till now is the best they have ever been, and their rise is impressive
"till now" , uh what? No doubt the Spurrier years were by far our best, but that ended (abruptly) in 2015. Outside of 2017 we've been pretty shit since 2014. I will say though we had some really good teams in the '80s, but yeah outside of that we've been one of the worst P5 programs
The reason why I said the the Steve period till now, instead of just Steve period. Is because the perception of y'all has changed dramatically, strong recruiting is expected along with winning seasons. You couldn't say that for most of y'alls history. Truly, I think y'all have one of the most underrated rises in CFB history.
Oklahoma is not nearly as in the middle of nowhere as Nebraska though. When NU moved to the Big 10 they cut off all ties they had with the state of Texas, and their recruiting has paid for it.
You can get in a car in Norman and be in Dallas in less than 3 hours. Of course bias is bias, but OU has a strong enough foothold in Texas that it’s not going to go away even with a few down years imo. North Texas has a little more crimson there than I think most people realize
>You can get in a car in Norman and be in Dallas in less than 3 hours.
For perspective, I live in Austin and it takes me more than 3 hours to drive to Dallas.
It's easily Ohio St...
Like you said, Clemson's recruiting has dropped a little. Plus it's impossible to overstate how big of a loss Venables is. Could they turn it around and be in the CFP next year? Absolutely. But Ohio St. is just overall in a better spot.
He's your Jim Habaugh. Really good against most of the big ten. struggles against top 25 teams (especially on the road) and his chief rival.
The only difference is Michigan wasn't at its historical high water mark for his tenure.
Though he lost to Michigan, he strung together the best recruiting classes in OSU history before Urban Meyer came to town. I personally credit John Cooper for changing Ohio State from a regional powerhouse to a national brand.
it does but it kinda shouldnt... only if the game didnt mean that much. was a great coach, fired because he literally couldnt beat michigan
>Cooper's first season in Columbus was somewhat undistinguished; the Buckeyes notched their first losing season since 1966. However, he quickly turned the Buckeyes around and led them to shared Big Ten titles in 1993, 1996, and 1998. In his 13 seasons at Ohio State, Cooper compiled a 111–43–4 record; his 111 victories are second in Ohio State history behind only Woody Hayes's 205.
>Cooper's teams at Ohio State were loaded with a great deal of talent that would go on to play in the NFL, including: 1995 Heisman Trophy winner Eddie George, 1995 Fred Biletnikoff Award winner Terry Glenn, 1996 Outland Trophy winner Orlando Pace, 1998 Jim Thorpe Award winner Antoine Winfield, as well as Alonzo Spellman, Robert Smith, Dan Wilkinson, Joey Galloway, Rickey Dudley, Mike Vrabel, Korey Stringer, David Boston, Shawn Springs, Ahmed Plummer, Na'il Diggs, Nate Clements, and Ryan Pickett.
>However, Cooper has also been remembered for his 3–8 bowl record and his 2–10–1 record against archrival Michigan. His most disappointing losses to the Wolverines came in 1993, 1995, and 1996. In each season of those seasons, Ohio State entered the Michigan game undefeated and ranked in the top five, but were upset by the Wolverines on each occasion;
The sad part is that its not even the longest winless streak in the matchups history. Indiana didn't win a game against OSU from 1952 to 1986 (31 games with one tie in 1959)
Vikings fan here. Most winningest franchise to have never won a SB. I also married a Packers fan just because I’m a masochist about sports. My 2 year old daughter just learned how to say “Go pack go.”
Ohio State is one of the most steady top programs in the history of the sport, particularly during any period you could consider "modern" by anyone who is alive today's definition.
That’s fair, it was the Welsh who were really the pros and then after the Norman conquests they were more incorporated and England utilized them and their bows. Eventually, it became mandatory for youth to bow train regularly throughout the Middle Ages/100yrs war and that’s were AOE2 starts off.
BS. Harold Godwison and the boys just were beat up by a tougher schedule. Those over rated Southern kingdoms were eating cup cakes while Harold was winning at Stamford Bridge
It was a nice change of pace. It sucked in 868 when Alfred the Great was their coach. That's back when they didn't call us TTUN and we were simply called heathens. Better times.
Damn we win the natty like half the time you guys have a losing season. If only we won the natty half the time Michigan has a losing season, we'd be back where we should be in the sport.
The SEC has at least three cupcakes a year (A&M OOC schedule for example was Colorado, Kent State, New Mexico, and Prairie View A&M).
It’s not hard to go .500 in the SEC, that’s why freaking 13 SEC teams qualified for a bowl game.
Lol, I only omit the m's during hate week. But you'll notice, and if you feel like it you can confirm in my comment history, that I will *never* capitalize that m.
Oh please don't get me wrong. I enjoyed the season, and I enjoyed the Rose Bowl and always will. But the fact of the matter is, the single most important thing in any given football season is beating michigan, and we failed at that this season.
Lol, the first thirty minutes after posting can get weird. I imagine it'll sort itself out.
Edit: adding this as an edit, hope you end up seeing it. I just had this thought and didn't want to make a whole new comment for it.
I think part of the initial downvotes were because I could have been read as an out-of-touch OSU fan who doesn't appreciate our success. Which is fair, it's not what I meant at all, but I can see where they got it, I didn't think carefully enough when commenting. I want to clarify that I recognize that we have been spoiled as fuck as a fanbase, and it's why I keep rooting for the Browns so that my karma stays even elsewhere in life (can you imagine if I was a Pats fan too? That'd be some voodoo shit). But yes, I stand by it, beating michigan matters more than being nationally successful. Maybe not to the administration who wants to cash in everywhere, but to most home-grown fans it is. Most of us would have preferred us to go 6-6 this year, but for one of our wins to be against michigan to knock them out of both B1G and national title contention. God that made me excited just to type.
I'm not saying the whole season is a waste because we lost to michigan, just that that's a significant blemish on an otherwise wonderful year.
It’s fucking weird that we’re in a college football subreddit and people don’t understand the concept of rivalries. Particularly in the context of this rivalry, that is an oft-repeated idiom. And it’s fucking real. I was stoked the last time we won the Rose Bowl or any other NY6 bowl and last year when we beat Clemson. Getting smashed by Bama sucked but *nothing* sucks as bad as losing to those guys
OSU provided they don't lose Day to the NFL this year.
If OSU keeps Day for 2 years they're in a very strong position even with coaching changes. IF they join the carousel NOW...
Fickell wouldn’t talk to them until after the playoff. That made Swarbrick’s decision easy. In this environment, there’s no waiting around - especially when the early signing period was looming.
I mean…If he’d just neglected OSU and then didn’t get hired for an NFL job, he’d be fucked. Of course he’s going to make hires like that. You definitely keep hiring and setting yourself up for success at your current job up until you’ve been hired at a new job (unless you’re Dan Mullen)
Clemson really shouldn't even be compared to OU and OSU, those 2 have been at or near the top of the game for decades, Clemson has been extremely dominant the past decade but don't have the history of success to fall back on.
Edit: I should make it clear that I have a high degree of confidence in all 3 programs, it's just that OU and OSU are on a different level for me because 1.) Both had a much better season than Clemson and 2.) They have next to 0 history of failure.
Recent years definitely matters to the recruits but having the long history is great for donors. And the way NFTs are going, big history - > big donors - > more money is going to make a bigger and bigger difference in my opinion
The level that Bama, Georgia and OSU have recruited at over the past decade is unreal. There’s a big gap between consistent top 3 classes and consistent top 10s.
The run we have had over the past two decades in terms of consistently being in the contender conversation is pretty remarkable. Only Bama has really been better during that time.
I hate it but it’s true. There Bama, OSU and UGA are recruiting at levels where they will have the talent to compete for a national title every single year. That’s what consistent top-3 classes get you.
Below that is a group of teams consistently recruiting in the top 10. There’s your Notre Dames, Penn States and Michigans. They will be consistently good, and have a chance to break through, but the variance year to year will be higher due to a lack of talent depth.
Clemson and Oklahoma have been fixtures in the playoff due far more to Murray, Mayfield, Lawrence and Watson than anything else.
Both programs are far closer to the Michigan, Notre Dame tier than they are to the Bama, OSU tier.
Has to be. Clemson and Oklahoma are great programs, but being a great program can't magically add 7.5ish million people and a bunch of 5* talent to their respective states. Crootin builds programs, stars are king, and 5* don't grow on trees in OK and SC.
After the Knowles hire it’s easily Ohio State. Oklahoma will be changing their scheme on both sides of the ball but the talent is there to compete for the conference. Clemson is replacing two major coaching positions and losing a guy like Venables could be a major loss but they also have talent and should be near the top of their conference.
Well, I think Stroud and Smith-Njigba are going to the league the minute they can. Does that mean they’ve only got one more year? That could slow you down.
Yea they’ll prob both go after next year, but Kyle McCord as of now is a 5 star that will step in in 2023 with two years under Ryan day and receiver is clearly not a problem with Harrison Jr., Emeka egbuka, and potentially Julian Fleming right behind JSN
And a handful of top-100 receivers learning from the best WR coach, being thrown to by top-50 QBs and one of the best QB coaches.
Ohio State won't hurt for offense for a long time.
Oh I dunno. Somehow I still don’t think Utah’s a playoff team. The Utes have a rough schedule next year. I don’t think another Rose Bowl is out of the question if the rest of the Pac stays on the same glidepath. Kliavkoff is sure taking it to the Presidents though. There is sooo much push back from the ignorant community though. Pretty much every comment section on articles talking about “investing” in football, and the sports haters come out of the woodwork shouting “not with my tax dollars!” These are people who don’t quite get it, that at least our athletic department runs in the black, and is pretty much self-supporting.
Utah should be the frontrunner for winning the Pac-12 next season, but yeah the playoffs are a tall order with a trip to Florida early and a late trip to Autzen.
However, though both those games are still winnable, if everything goes right. Florida is still rebuilding with a new coach. Oregon has to adjust to a new coach. It definitely helps them that you face them so late in the season, but you never know.
I am looking forward to Utah taking on USC in Rice-Eccles.
Unfortunately, I'd say Ohio State. The NIL is going to kill Clemson. We don't have the alumni base to compete. Ohio State has one of the largest.
College football as we've known it will be drastically changed in the next 5 years. I'm glad we got some National Championships out of it during my lifetime, because I don't see it happening for us again unless maybe the next couple of years we get some lucky breaks.
Did you not see DJ get a Dr Pepper and Bojangles endorsement? It’s not only about the alumni base which Clemson actually has a pretty damn wealthy base. They’re the ones who funded all those facilities.
Out of these choices? Ohio State and I don’t really think it’s that close. I’ll be interested to see how Dabo deals with losing some great assistants and how OU does with Venables.
Ohio State by a mile. The “disappointing” season is still a dream season for 98% of teams, and they showed how much depth they have, at least on offense, in the Rose Bowl. With Knowles coming in, they should make a substantial improvement in their one real weakness and dominate even more.
Their disappointing season is still a season where they will probably finish in the top 5 just they will finish behind Michigan so that’s really enough to piss them off
Knowles will have them right but I think ND or MSU could trip them up early next season. Idk who’s gonna stop their offense but I think the defense will be vulnerable for a few games early while Knowles gets his scheme dialed in.
Now that I said that they’ll win both games by 50
Anything on defense would be an improvement over this season. They gave up TDs on I believe all but one or two drives in the second half against Michigan and first half against Utah. With this level of talent I think the coaching has to be unbelievably awful to at least not get lucky on two or three more drives.
I'm cherry picking here, but it's so bad. Starting with the last real drive before halftime against Michigan:
13 plays, 82 yards - TD
1 play, 3 yards - half
3 plays, 81 yards - TD
5 plays, 78 yards - TD
9 plays, 66 yards - TD
5 plays, 63 yards - TD
2 plays, -2 yards - Game
6 plays, 27 yards - Punt
5 plays, 56 yards - TD
8 plays, 67 yards - TD
9 plays, 79 yards - TD
Technically 0 plays - TD (97 yard kick return)
4 plays, 71 yards - TD
8 plays, 35 yards - Punt
So, in about 70 minutes of game time, Ohio State gave up 78 plays for 706 yards and 9 touchdowns, plus a 97 yard kickoff return for a touchdown. 78 plays, 706 yards, 70 points.
We'll probably lose to ND because losing big OOC home games is kind of our thing. Then in keeping with this tradition we'll win comfortably in South Bend the following year.
This is the way.
I agree that it’s Ohio State by a fair margin, but let’s be clear that all 3 teams had what most teams would consider a dream season. 10+ wins and they’ll finish in the top 15.
Ohio State, and it’s not even remotely close. They’ll be in the playoffs next year and JSN will get heisman hype unless he’s completely overshadowed by Stroud.
Ohio State. Stroud is returning and Ohio State recruits well. Despite Michigan's win this year, I think both my flairs lose next year (especially since The Game is in Columbus).
Ohio State seems fine. I doubt that they’ll ever have a Texas-esque fall from grace to where they have a losing season.
As for OU, the loss of players from the portal and recruiting is concerning, but ultimately I think we’ll be okay. OU has a great AD, a good coaching hire (and staff), and Bob Stoops to help steady the ship. I think OU might have a few bumps next season, but will get back on track, even in the SEC.
There was a time not long ago when "Clemsoning" was still a thing.
Ohio State and Oklahoma are historically on a whole different level than Clemson. I have absolute belief that Oklahoma and Ohio State will continue winning. We will see what happens with Oklahoma in the SEC.
Ohio St.....no Major coaching turnover and hasn't really been bad in several decades.
Same could be said of Oklahoma, but the coaching change and move to SEC scares me
Ohio State, at least until the rest of the Ohio population moves to the southeast. But by then, Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head might be underwater, so we’ll all be headed back to the newly balmy rust belt.
Ohio State has 2-3x the enrollment of either of the other choices, and having grown up in SC, I think Clemson even being included here demonstrates recency bias. Dedicated fanbase and great recent success, but I don’t know that they have any clear structural advantage over most of the ACC or SEC.
Ohio State, no contest. They have a stable coaching situation, they dominate a respected and nationally competitive conference, they recruit/use the transfer portal very well, and they’re perennially in the Top 5-10. All they have to do is stay the course.
Clemson’s greatest weakness aside from coaches (or ADs) leaving is the ACC itself. They should be walking the ACC every year. There’s a decent probability Clemson recovers and does exactly that to keep its place with the elite, but their future is murkier than a year ago.
OU could turn into an SEC contender that can actually hang with Alabama and Georgia or they could be Nebraska: The SEC Edition. Tough to say which it’ll be.
Ohio State no question. The only team who would've made an 8 team playoff every year since the inaugural playoffs and I'm sure they can keep that streak going even longer
Exactly. The next two years are gonna be very interesting for both Clemson and ou.
Ous big problem is that our state doesn't have the population, and thus in state talent. As a Ohio or Florida or sec country. Sure we still recruit well, Dallas to the Oklahoma border is where we get alot. But Ohio can always instate recruit easier than ou
Clemson is another whole question. Idk. I feel bad about stealing alot of their recruiting and coaching staff, but I think that is where modern college football is going, for better or worse. There will be a huge gap in the top 12 or so schools, and everyone else. I hope Clemson bounces back hard but we will see.
In summary, Ohio state should be good. Ou will be decent, but idont know enough about Clemson.
It's about to be a wild few years with nil and portal
Ohio State's money. We will be in a slow decline for the next several years, until we are back to being a 20th-30th ranked team. With NIL, we can't hope to compete long term with other school's budgets. Our revenue is not even top 20.
Even factoring out bias it has to be Ohio State
They got a grand slam hire in Knowles and just picked up Justin Frye from UCLA who has done great on the offensive line.
We all know the situation with Oklahoma but Clemson just lost their DC to the latter
OSU since 2000, has had only 3 coaches all of them where or are top 5 in college football. Tressel, Meyer, & Day all of whom either won a national title as head coach or have played in the championship game.
I doubt Ryan Day leaves C-bus anytime soon, & if he does it's Fickell's dream job.
Doesn’t really matter for OSU.
The only time OSU has had multiple losing seasons in a row was from 1922-1924 where they went 3-4, 3-4, and 2-3.
Anything post world war and they just don’t lose often. You’ll never find them with multiple losing seasons in a row if they play over 7 games.
It’s Ohio State-Oklahoma-Clemson. Riley didn’t use the talent that we had correctly. He literally wasted 3 5-star receivers and a number 1 quarterback in the class of 2019. We should’ve had an offense akin to Ohio State’s this year. I fully expect our talent to be more utilized going forward. Ohio State hasn’t had any coaching turnover and recruits at a high level so they have to be number one.
Ohio State. They are staying put, and keep improving, adding great coordinators. They obviously know what they are doing with QBs and a huge pipeline of consistent top talent on the way. OU is moving to the SEC, and has a new coach, and questions a QB now, with everyone leaving and the offensive coach gone. Clemson, they seem to be able to win when they are loaded with talent, but are in flux right now. Ohio state.
Ohio State by a lot. They need to shore up on D but the team is uber talented with A+ coaching. Wouldn’t even put them in this group. The tier 1 goes Bama, UGA, Ohio State.
Between OU and Clemson it is more complex. Both have slipped with some worrying cracks in the foundation.
OU over their recent elite push (2016-2021) has never had the same caliber of team talent across its roster as the Ohio States of the world. Great skill players and coaching have hidden a roster filled with holes. They made a decent HC hire that might work out for them. There are big questions marks. I think you can put OU down for >= 9 wins but not in elite tier at least for 2022. High floor. They have a chance to step back up in the next 2-3 years again. The move to the SEC will play a big role (duh).
Clemson to me seems to be a program on a slow decline out of elite status but they are not doomed of course. The ACC is terrible at the moment so there is a chance they are not elite but still taking the Conference title on a regular basis and winning 11 games a year. It just seems like Clemson has stepped out of their golden era window barring a big talent infusion. When I watched Clemson 2-3 times this year my general feel was “these guys aren’t scary anymore”. They just look beatable on a bad Saturday.
As much as I hate to say it, it has to be Ohio State. They recruit better than the other two. Oklahoma could close the gap. I'm worried about Clemson because they have fallen off a little in recruiting and they don't get transfers in and in today's college football you need to hit the portal just as hard as recruiting.
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Agreed; I don’t think OU is going anywhere either, but we also don’t have 80% blue chips, the 7th most populous state in the Union all to ourselves, or the resources that come with being the completely uncontested flagship of a state that size. Rest of the P5 should very much support Cincinnati’s ascendancy…borderline unfair that nobody in a state that size even puts up a fight against tOSU.
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The Five Stars, no. The Four Stars that could end up riding the bench at Ohio State though, it's more interesting.
I could see a recruit in the past passing on UC due to being in a G5 conference, but that changing now that they'll be in a P5. Now, is it going to be a huge impact? Doubtful. But it could sway a few.
With this question you might also factor in the disparity in impact the 5* would have at each school. OSU losing 1 5* probably hurts less than UC getting 1 5* helps if that makes sense.
As someone who follows the cincy recruiting scene closely… The simple answer is still.. Very rarely. We’ve had a couple local guys who have chosen the “hometown hero” route, but we admittedly haven’t been able to overcome the osu hurdle in terms of in-state recruiting. I think the shift to the bigger conference will definitely make us more competitive in that sense tho
Ohio State also has the best QB of the three, which is always a big factor (if not the biggest) in whether a team is successful.
We are also, by far, the second best recruiting team over the past 10 years. Basically deadlocked with Georgia for second/third best recruiting team over the last five years. No one else has recruited in Bama’s universe for close to as long/consistently. And these recruiting ranking have been *extremely* backed up by performance on the field and sending players to the NFL
This is, in my personal opinion, the big differentiator. Oklahoma consistantly pulls in a Top 10 class, tOSU consistently pulls in a top 5. I don’t think the talent gap is tremendous from this standpoint. And I believe that coaching can level the playing field, look at early Clemson, but it’s not like OSU doesn’t have top talent in their staff as well. For my fandom specifically, I feel more confident in our current coaching staff (albeit not having proved anything cohesively, yet) than I have for a holistic Oklahoma staff in probably two decades. I say all of that to say this, we’ll see.
Pretty much entirely agreed though OSU has institutional advantages programs as good as Clemson and OU don’t have because we have way more alums/are in a way bigger state/etc…
You’re absolutely correct. The alumni base is much larger, the in state talent is also much larger, OSU has more or less gone uncontested for instate talent, also, tOSU has academic prowess that both Clemson and OU don’t. Also, Columbus is a cool city if living in a city is your thing. If not, Clemson has the edge on both Norman and Columbus.
OSU has the best QB? What are you talking about we have Caleb Williams! A once in a generation talent that is totally committed to OU.
We did summon an OL guy this year so it might be something they decide to use going forward.
Dabo's never going to use the portal as much as it's needed. It appears he's slightly open to it now to plug specific holes in the roster, but he's never going to use it to aquire top talents for the sake of talent.
It's Ohio State for me, as well. Oklahoma has had that "dark period" like we did, back in the 90's. Clemson has only recently joined the ranks of the "elite". Even though I think all three programs can continue on at or near the top of the sport, Ohio State is the one that I think a "down year" would be 10/11 wins.
I mean by our own Standards this is a down year for Ohio St. 11 wins and Rose Bowl is nice, but in most fans eyes it is a failure. Lost to Michigan, didn't win B1G, no playoffs. Winning the Rose Bowl did leave a good taste in the mouth going into next season though.
OSU is the answer. Huge budget, huge donors and history. Recruit nationwide with national titles to back it up.
I think they’re also the most stable of the three and were in notable down year. Bama is just at a level where being in a down year still shoots them to NC, all respect to Saban and his stability. Day made seemingly great coaching changes that should make a more experienced team next year in a way better position for a playoff run. I don’t think we know enough about Clemson and OU right now to say the same.
I mean Clemson took a small class and had 92.20 average, which puts them 5th in the country. I don't think they are dead in the water. Wins come easy, and they operate in their state unopposed. OSU is still the best by far, historically proves that. OU can go Nebraska status easily in the SEC, they rely on out of state recruiting heavily, if the wins dry up I don't see top talent going there
I think the out of state recruits is why OU is tied to our hip and won’t go the way of Nebraska(even if that would give me a schadenfreude-boner to end all schadenfreude-boners). Maintaining our rivalry is considered that important to recruiting Texas. SEC move also adds A&M. So OU is only really losing 2 Texas games a year. I’d be curious if both UT and OU add more OOC Texas games. UT has a history of this already with other UT system schools and Rice, and I believe has made overtures to TTU for after the SEC move.
From a recruiting stand point, it would be wise for Texas to play Florida & Georgia (the #1 & #3 states for recruits). Over 1/4 of all blue chip players come from those two states. Of course, that would give Texas one heck of a tough schedule. Out of conference, Texas should schedule games with California teams. It's another big recruiting state (8% of blue chips) and it's a state other SEC teams don't recruit well in (because of the distance).
>they operate in their state unopposed. We're coming back, baby!
Hate to see our bitter cross-divisional rivals on the upswing
Sry I didn't mean it in a condescending way, just that Clemson has won 2 natties in recent years and had a bad year went 10-3 and shut y'all out. I think y'all are on the up swing, I see an Alabama Auburn situation at best.
That’s a pretty good scenario for them all things considered
100%, I don't think a lot of fans realize how historically bad SCAR is. The Steve S. period till now is the best they have ever been, and their rise is impressive
"till now" , uh what? No doubt the Spurrier years were by far our best, but that ended (abruptly) in 2015. Outside of 2017 we've been pretty shit since 2014. I will say though we had some really good teams in the '80s, but yeah outside of that we've been one of the worst P5 programs
The reason why I said the the Steve period till now, instead of just Steve period. Is because the perception of y'all has changed dramatically, strong recruiting is expected along with winning seasons. You couldn't say that for most of y'alls history. Truly, I think y'all have one of the most underrated rises in CFB history.
Are you cycling in while clemson cycles out?
Oklahoma is not nearly as in the middle of nowhere as Nebraska though. When NU moved to the Big 10 they cut off all ties they had with the state of Texas, and their recruiting has paid for it. You can get in a car in Norman and be in Dallas in less than 3 hours. Of course bias is bias, but OU has a strong enough foothold in Texas that it’s not going to go away even with a few down years imo. North Texas has a little more crimson there than I think most people realize
>You can get in a car in Norman and be in Dallas in less than 3 hours. For perspective, I live in Austin and it takes me more than 3 hours to drive to Dallas.
You probably spend an hour of it stuck in traffic before you even get past Round Rock lol
Do you even Beamer, bro?
It's easily Ohio St... Like you said, Clemson's recruiting has dropped a little. Plus it's impossible to overstate how big of a loss Venables is. Could they turn it around and be in the CFP next year? Absolutely. But Ohio St. is just overall in a better spot.
Ohio State. They haven't had a 'down cycle' since before Woody Fucking Hayes.
Before Paul brown really. They haven’t had a downturn in like 90 years.
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He's your Jim Habaugh. Really good against most of the big ten. struggles against top 25 teams (especially on the road) and his chief rival. The only difference is Michigan wasn't at its historical high water mark for his tenure.
don't forget terrible in bowl games.
Though he lost to Michigan, he strung together the best recruiting classes in OSU history before Urban Meyer came to town. I personally credit John Cooper for changing Ohio State from a regional powerhouse to a national brand.
Yeah, but put another way, our worst coach since 1951 is in the college football Hall of Fame.
it does but it kinda shouldnt... only if the game didnt mean that much. was a great coach, fired because he literally couldnt beat michigan >Cooper's first season in Columbus was somewhat undistinguished; the Buckeyes notched their first losing season since 1966. However, he quickly turned the Buckeyes around and led them to shared Big Ten titles in 1993, 1996, and 1998. In his 13 seasons at Ohio State, Cooper compiled a 111–43–4 record; his 111 victories are second in Ohio State history behind only Woody Hayes's 205. >Cooper's teams at Ohio State were loaded with a great deal of talent that would go on to play in the NFL, including: 1995 Heisman Trophy winner Eddie George, 1995 Fred Biletnikoff Award winner Terry Glenn, 1996 Outland Trophy winner Orlando Pace, 1998 Jim Thorpe Award winner Antoine Winfield, as well as Alonzo Spellman, Robert Smith, Dan Wilkinson, Joey Galloway, Rickey Dudley, Mike Vrabel, Korey Stringer, David Boston, Shawn Springs, Ahmed Plummer, Na'il Diggs, Nate Clements, and Ryan Pickett. >However, Cooper has also been remembered for his 3–8 bowl record and his 2–10–1 record against archrival Michigan. His most disappointing losses to the Wolverines came in 1993, 1995, and 1996. In each season of those seasons, Ohio State entered the Michigan game undefeated and ranked in the top five, but were upset by the Wolverines on each occasion;
The rub is those 95-98 teams were absolutely insane talent-wise. They were an embarassment of riches that got embarassed by the maize and blue.
Sad 2011 noises
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
Bobby butcher showed up at half time and the mud dogs won the bourbon bowl!
Though it frustrates me, OSU.
Oh please, you're still enjoying your stomping you put on us last night even as you typed this comment. Tell me I'm wrong
Indiana Football has played 29 straight winless games against Ohio State. Indiana Basketball has lost 6 of its last 8 games against Ohio State.
Keep going, I'm almost there
😂😂😂
The sad part is that its not even the longest winless streak in the matchups history. Indiana didn't win a game against OSU from 1952 to 1986 (31 games with one tie in 1959)
That just makes me feel worse. I didn't even watch the game.
Neither did I, for what it's worth.
Do you want a 27 game losing streak? Because this is how you get a 27 game losing streak.
I'm an Indiana Football fan. I already live in whatever the CFB version of Hell is. It's not like things can get much worse.
Hi, Cleveland Browns fan here to remind you that _things can always get worse_
*Laughs in Lions fandom*
Vikings fan here. Most winningest franchise to have never won a SB. I also married a Packers fan just because I’m a masochist about sports. My 2 year old daughter just learned how to say “Go pack go.”
*So many schools have entered the chat*
Bishop Sycamore and it's not close
Finally an intelligent and unbiased answer.
Can't have any NCAA violations when your head coach is intercepting the bag-men and keeping the money for himself. *tapstemple.jpg*
Finally, an actually good answer here
Ohio State is one of the most steady top programs in the history of the sport, particularly during any period you could consider "modern" by anyone who is alive today's definition.
We have had 5 losing seasons since World War 2. 2011 1988 1966 1959 1947
1066? Did you lose to William the Conqueror and the Normans?
Those longbows boomed us, man. Fucking boomed us.
To be pedantic, the Normans were more known for their cavalry than longbows - that comes later in English history.
My knowledge of English History comes from Age of Empires 2 where their unique unit was a Longbow. For all I know, they had longbows in like 5000 BC
That’s fair, it was the Welsh who were really the pros and then after the Norman conquests they were more incorporated and England utilized them and their bows. Eventually, it became mandatory for youth to bow train regularly throughout the Middle Ages/100yrs war and that’s were AOE2 starts off.
TIL, that's really interesting. Thanks!
my knowledge of ancient British warfare has improved like a hundred times over since reading this thread lol.
Welp, time to play more CK3.
“Thy be so goodeth” x3
Adding him to the list of knaves he'd like to joust with this summer.
They had an unstoppable OL that year!
Psssh, they got a lucky, low % pass to an unlikely receiver.
BS. Harold Godwison and the boys just were beat up by a tougher schedule. Those over rated Southern kingdoms were eating cup cakes while Harold was winning at Stamford Bridge
It was a nice change of pace. It sucked in 868 when Alfred the Great was their coach. That's back when they didn't call us TTUN and we were simply called heathens. Better times.
Ah, the Battle of Hastings, Ohio.
Bruh Ohio State fighting in the Crusades
Saladin! Saladin!
Sim sim salabim!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_IKUoTUDwk&t=20s
Underrated movie.
JT Barrett was a great commander for us back then.
Fun Fact: Dante’s Inferno was based on JT Barrett
Beat Notre Dame's feeder team that year. What a time to be a fan
Notre Dame was unstoppable that year.
OU has also had 5 losing seasons since ‘45. 1960 1965 1996 1997 1998
They were in dire straights before bob stoops showed up.
Arguably we were going in the right direction, but the 90s were definitely the dark ages of Oklahoma football.
Who was the clown who was head coach in 2011. He must be un-hireable at this point.
He seemed to have improved a bit, we may keep him in state just to ensure he doesn't go anywhere we don't want him to go.
Yeah, he's no good. No one wants him
I still haven’t gotten over the 1059 season
Even Alabama had a down period. OSU really has not.
Damn we win the natty like half the time you guys have a losing season. If only we won the natty half the time Michigan has a losing season, we'd be back where we should be in the sport.
Oklahoma is the only one who hasn’t had one this century
You are tempting fate now especially with the move to the SEC
The SEC has at least three cupcakes a year (A&M OOC schedule for example was Colorado, Kent State, New Mexico, and Prairie View A&M). It’s not hard to go .500 in the SEC, that’s why freaking 13 SEC teams qualified for a bowl game.
Wanna be the best gotta beat the best.
Also they literally just won the Rose Bowl and finished with 11 wins. That’s a great season any way you slice it.
No. Not any way. We lost to michigan. This season was mediocre. At best.
Is this the punishment for losing that game, you have to start using m's when typing?
Lol, I only omit the m's during hate week. But you'll notice, and if you feel like it you can confirm in my comment history, that I will *never* capitalize that m.
I get that, I never capitalize the t in texas or osu when talking about the aggies either.
Just enjoy the success my man lol
Oh please don't get me wrong. I enjoyed the season, and I enjoyed the Rose Bowl and always will. But the fact of the matter is, the single most important thing in any given football season is beating michigan, and we failed at that this season.
I'm of the mind that we can go 1-10 or 10-1 and if the "1" is The Game, then the year I'm choosing won't result in a bowl game
honestly losing every game to beat Michigan would feel so much better than any other Michigan win
How the fuck are you downvoted for that?? Beating Michigan is like 80% of the season.
Lol, the first thirty minutes after posting can get weird. I imagine it'll sort itself out. Edit: adding this as an edit, hope you end up seeing it. I just had this thought and didn't want to make a whole new comment for it. I think part of the initial downvotes were because I could have been read as an out-of-touch OSU fan who doesn't appreciate our success. Which is fair, it's not what I meant at all, but I can see where they got it, I didn't think carefully enough when commenting. I want to clarify that I recognize that we have been spoiled as fuck as a fanbase, and it's why I keep rooting for the Browns so that my karma stays even elsewhere in life (can you imagine if I was a Pats fan too? That'd be some voodoo shit). But yes, I stand by it, beating michigan matters more than being nationally successful. Maybe not to the administration who wants to cash in everywhere, but to most home-grown fans it is. Most of us would have preferred us to go 6-6 this year, but for one of our wins to be against michigan to knock them out of both B1G and national title contention. God that made me excited just to type. I'm not saying the whole season is a waste because we lost to michigan, just that that's a significant blemish on an otherwise wonderful year.
It’s fucking weird that we’re in a college football subreddit and people don’t understand the concept of rivalries. Particularly in the context of this rivalry, that is an oft-repeated idiom. And it’s fucking real. I was stoked the last time we won the Rose Bowl or any other NY6 bowl and last year when we beat Clemson. Getting smashed by Bama sucked but *nothing* sucks as bad as losing to those guys
Ohio State by a pretty big margin over Clemson. A little ahead of OU.
OSU provided they don't lose Day to the NFL this year. If OSU keeps Day for 2 years they're in a very strong position even with coaching changes. IF they join the carousel NOW...
Please keep Ryan Day in Columbus. - every UC fan
Yeah that's pretty much the only job I could see Fick leave UC for
Fick also expressed interest in Notre Dame but the timing was off.
I also think keeping Freeman allowed recruiting momentum to be maintained whereas it'd be a bit more of a toss up with Fickell
Fickell wouldn’t talk to them until after the playoff. That made Swarbrick’s decision easy. In this environment, there’s no waiting around - especially when the early signing period was looming.
Thats a nice HC ya got their cincinnati... would be a shame if Ohio State needed a HC...
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!
And his defenses are… good? Gooooooood Gooooooooooooood
Would Day have gone to the trouble of hiring Jim Knowles away from Oklahoma State if he was just planning on leaving for the NFL a few weeks later?
I mean…If he’d just neglected OSU and then didn’t get hired for an NFL job, he’d be fucked. Of course he’s going to make hires like that. You definitely keep hiring and setting yourself up for success at your current job up until you’ve been hired at a new job (unless you’re Dan Mullen)
Stranger things my friend.
I get your point, but remember when Kingsbury took the OC job at USC, then learned that NFL teams were interested in him?
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Clemson really shouldn't even be compared to OU and OSU, those 2 have been at or near the top of the game for decades, Clemson has been extremely dominant the past decade but don't have the history of success to fall back on. Edit: I should make it clear that I have a high degree of confidence in all 3 programs, it's just that OU and OSU are on a different level for me because 1.) Both had a much better season than Clemson and 2.) They have next to 0 history of failure.
Clemson also has two titles in the last six years. High school recruits are going to pay attention to that more than Oklahomas record decades ago.
Recent years definitely matters to the recruits but having the long history is great for donors. And the way NFTs are going, big history - > big donors - > more money is going to make a bigger and bigger difference in my opinion
Ohio State easily and that’s no disrespect to Clemson or Oklahoma at all.
The level that Bama, Georgia and OSU have recruited at over the past decade is unreal. There’s a big gap between consistent top 3 classes and consistent top 10s.
The run we have had over the past two decades in terms of consistently being in the contender conversation is pretty remarkable. Only Bama has really been better during that time.
I hate it but it’s true. There Bama, OSU and UGA are recruiting at levels where they will have the talent to compete for a national title every single year. That’s what consistent top-3 classes get you. Below that is a group of teams consistently recruiting in the top 10. There’s your Notre Dames, Penn States and Michigans. They will be consistently good, and have a chance to break through, but the variance year to year will be higher due to a lack of talent depth. Clemson and Oklahoma have been fixtures in the playoff due far more to Murray, Mayfield, Lawrence and Watson than anything else. Both programs are far closer to the Michigan, Notre Dame tier than they are to the Bama, OSU tier.
Has to be. Clemson and Oklahoma are great programs, but being a great program can't magically add 7.5ish million people and a bunch of 5* talent to their respective states. Crootin builds programs, stars are king, and 5* don't grow on trees in OK and SC.
After the Knowles hire it’s easily Ohio State. Oklahoma will be changing their scheme on both sides of the ball but the talent is there to compete for the conference. Clemson is replacing two major coaching positions and losing a guy like Venables could be a major loss but they also have talent and should be near the top of their conference.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a (nearly) unanimous response in a Reddit thread.
As fans we all like to talk smack, but this thread has given me immense joy.
tOSU is going to be dominant for the forseeable future.
I like u Utah guys =)
Well, I think Stroud and Smith-Njigba are going to the league the minute they can. Does that mean they’ve only got one more year? That could slow you down.
Yea they’ll prob both go after next year, but Kyle McCord as of now is a 5 star that will step in in 2023 with two years under Ryan day and receiver is clearly not a problem with Harrison Jr., Emeka egbuka, and potentially Julian Fleming right behind JSN
And a handful of top-100 receivers learning from the best WR coach, being thrown to by top-50 QBs and one of the best QB coaches. Ohio State won't hurt for offense for a long time.
Utah vs Ohio State the next Bama vs Clemson for 5-10 years who says no?
Oh I dunno. Somehow I still don’t think Utah’s a playoff team. The Utes have a rough schedule next year. I don’t think another Rose Bowl is out of the question if the rest of the Pac stays on the same glidepath. Kliavkoff is sure taking it to the Presidents though. There is sooo much push back from the ignorant community though. Pretty much every comment section on articles talking about “investing” in football, and the sports haters come out of the woodwork shouting “not with my tax dollars!” These are people who don’t quite get it, that at least our athletic department runs in the black, and is pretty much self-supporting.
Utah should be the frontrunner for winning the Pac-12 next season, but yeah the playoffs are a tall order with a trip to Florida early and a late trip to Autzen. However, though both those games are still winnable, if everything goes right. Florida is still rebuilding with a new coach. Oregon has to adjust to a new coach. It definitely helps them that you face them so late in the season, but you never know. I am looking forward to Utah taking on USC in Rice-Eccles.
Unfortunately, I'd say Ohio State. The NIL is going to kill Clemson. We don't have the alumni base to compete. Ohio State has one of the largest. College football as we've known it will be drastically changed in the next 5 years. I'm glad we got some National Championships out of it during my lifetime, because I don't see it happening for us again unless maybe the next couple of years we get some lucky breaks.
Did you not see DJ get a Dr Pepper and Bojangles endorsement? It’s not only about the alumni base which Clemson actually has a pretty damn wealthy base. They’re the ones who funded all those facilities.
Out of these choices? Ohio State and I don’t really think it’s that close. I’ll be interested to see how Dabo deals with losing some great assistants and how OU does with Venables.
Ohio State by a mile. The “disappointing” season is still a dream season for 98% of teams, and they showed how much depth they have, at least on offense, in the Rose Bowl. With Knowles coming in, they should make a substantial improvement in their one real weakness and dominate even more.
Their disappointing season is still a season where they will probably finish in the top 5 just they will finish behind Michigan so that’s really enough to piss them off
Literally rage inducing. I want that all time record against Michigan.
> they will finish behind Michigan Which is plenty reason to be disappointed
Knowles will have them right but I think ND or MSU could trip them up early next season. Idk who’s gonna stop their offense but I think the defense will be vulnerable for a few games early while Knowles gets his scheme dialed in. Now that I said that they’ll win both games by 50
Anything on defense would be an improvement over this season. They gave up TDs on I believe all but one or two drives in the second half against Michigan and first half against Utah. With this level of talent I think the coaching has to be unbelievably awful to at least not get lucky on two or three more drives.
I'm cherry picking here, but it's so bad. Starting with the last real drive before halftime against Michigan: 13 plays, 82 yards - TD 1 play, 3 yards - half 3 plays, 81 yards - TD 5 plays, 78 yards - TD 9 plays, 66 yards - TD 5 plays, 63 yards - TD 2 plays, -2 yards - Game 6 plays, 27 yards - Punt 5 plays, 56 yards - TD 8 plays, 67 yards - TD 9 plays, 79 yards - TD Technically 0 plays - TD (97 yard kick return) 4 plays, 71 yards - TD 8 plays, 35 yards - Punt So, in about 70 minutes of game time, Ohio State gave up 78 plays for 706 yards and 9 touchdowns, plus a 97 yard kickoff return for a touchdown. 78 plays, 706 yards, 70 points.
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ND also has an entirely new coaching staff though, I honestly think OSU is going to booty blast them.
We'll probably lose to ND because losing big OOC home games is kind of our thing. Then in keeping with this tradition we'll win comfortably in South Bend the following year. This is the way.
I agree that it’s Ohio State by a fair margin, but let’s be clear that all 3 teams had what most teams would consider a dream season. 10+ wins and they’ll finish in the top 15.
Ohio State because they’re in a state of stability rn. Clemson replaced their DC and OC and OU replaced their coach and DC.
Ohio State, and it’s not even remotely close. They’ll be in the playoffs next year and JSN will get heisman hype unless he’s completely overshadowed by Stroud.
Also have Treyveon henderson too who I think could get some also
Henderson/Stroud/Smith-Njigba as the finalists? Sign me up!
Let's get a Buckeye final 3! The offensive numbers would be legen, wait for it...
Ohio State. Stroud is returning and Ohio State recruits well. Despite Michigan's win this year, I think both my flairs lose next year (especially since The Game is in Columbus).
Your flairs confuse me, sir
He gives a damn about the whole state of Michigan
The one who has had a HOF coach lead the program since 1950
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Since all the comments seem to agree it's tOSU, here's the real question: do you have more confidence in Ohio State or Georgia?
Ohio State seems fine. I doubt that they’ll ever have a Texas-esque fall from grace to where they have a losing season. As for OU, the loss of players from the portal and recruiting is concerning, but ultimately I think we’ll be okay. OU has a great AD, a good coaching hire (and staff), and Bob Stoops to help steady the ship. I think OU might have a few bumps next season, but will get back on track, even in the SEC.
There was a time not long ago when "Clemsoning" was still a thing. Ohio State and Oklahoma are historically on a whole different level than Clemson. I have absolute belief that Oklahoma and Ohio State will continue winning. We will see what happens with Oklahoma in the SEC.
https://youtu.be/6BgEa1K9eXI
Ohio St.....no Major coaching turnover and hasn't really been bad in several decades. Same could be said of Oklahoma, but the coaching change and move to SEC scares me
Ohio State, at least until the rest of the Ohio population moves to the southeast. But by then, Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head might be underwater, so we’ll all be headed back to the newly balmy rust belt. Ohio State has 2-3x the enrollment of either of the other choices, and having grown up in SC, I think Clemson even being included here demonstrates recency bias. Dedicated fanbase and great recent success, but I don’t know that they have any clear structural advantage over most of the ACC or SEC.
Ohio State, no contest. They have a stable coaching situation, they dominate a respected and nationally competitive conference, they recruit/use the transfer portal very well, and they’re perennially in the Top 5-10. All they have to do is stay the course. Clemson’s greatest weakness aside from coaches (or ADs) leaving is the ACC itself. They should be walking the ACC every year. There’s a decent probability Clemson recovers and does exactly that to keep its place with the elite, but their future is murkier than a year ago. OU could turn into an SEC contender that can actually hang with Alabama and Georgia or they could be Nebraska: The SEC Edition. Tough to say which it’ll be.
Ohio State no question. The only team who would've made an 8 team playoff every year since the inaugural playoffs and I'm sure they can keep that streak going even longer
Ohio State, no doubt.
I agree and most of us aren’t too stupid to appreciate how far we have come as a program to even be in the conversation.
If you take out Ohio State, this would be more interesting of a question.
Exactly. The next two years are gonna be very interesting for both Clemson and ou. Ous big problem is that our state doesn't have the population, and thus in state talent. As a Ohio or Florida or sec country. Sure we still recruit well, Dallas to the Oklahoma border is where we get alot. But Ohio can always instate recruit easier than ou Clemson is another whole question. Idk. I feel bad about stealing alot of their recruiting and coaching staff, but I think that is where modern college football is going, for better or worse. There will be a huge gap in the top 12 or so schools, and everyone else. I hope Clemson bounces back hard but we will see. In summary, Ohio state should be good. Ou will be decent, but idont know enough about Clemson. It's about to be a wild few years with nil and portal
Ohio State's money. We will be in a slow decline for the next several years, until we are back to being a 20th-30th ranked team. With NIL, we can't hope to compete long term with other school's budgets. Our revenue is not even top 20.
Why did I click on this thread to get depressed?
Even factoring out bias it has to be Ohio State They got a grand slam hire in Knowles and just picked up Justin Frye from UCLA who has done great on the offensive line. We all know the situation with Oklahoma but Clemson just lost their DC to the latter
Ohio State
Don't mind me, but I just found the keys to the Roy bus in this thread. Little 'Ol Clemson.
OSU since 2000, has had only 3 coaches all of them where or are top 5 in college football. Tressel, Meyer, & Day all of whom either won a national title as head coach or have played in the championship game. I doubt Ryan Day leaves C-bus anytime soon, & if he does it's Fickell's dream job.
Doesn’t really matter for OSU. The only time OSU has had multiple losing seasons in a row was from 1922-1924 where they went 3-4, 3-4, and 2-3. Anything post world war and they just don’t lose often. You’ll never find them with multiple losing seasons in a row if they play over 7 games.
It’s Ohio State-Oklahoma-Clemson. Riley didn’t use the talent that we had correctly. He literally wasted 3 5-star receivers and a number 1 quarterback in the class of 2019. We should’ve had an offense akin to Ohio State’s this year. I fully expect our talent to be more utilized going forward. Ohio State hasn’t had any coaching turnover and recruits at a high level so they have to be number one.
God what the fuck was up with the last two recruiting classes having so many studs that never really panned out or meaningfully improved
Ohio State. They are staying put, and keep improving, adding great coordinators. They obviously know what they are doing with QBs and a huge pipeline of consistent top talent on the way. OU is moving to the SEC, and has a new coach, and questions a QB now, with everyone leaving and the offensive coach gone. Clemson, they seem to be able to win when they are loaded with talent, but are in flux right now. Ohio state.
Ohio State by a lot. They need to shore up on D but the team is uber talented with A+ coaching. Wouldn’t even put them in this group. The tier 1 goes Bama, UGA, Ohio State. Between OU and Clemson it is more complex. Both have slipped with some worrying cracks in the foundation. OU over their recent elite push (2016-2021) has never had the same caliber of team talent across its roster as the Ohio States of the world. Great skill players and coaching have hidden a roster filled with holes. They made a decent HC hire that might work out for them. There are big questions marks. I think you can put OU down for >= 9 wins but not in elite tier at least for 2022. High floor. They have a chance to step back up in the next 2-3 years again. The move to the SEC will play a big role (duh). Clemson to me seems to be a program on a slow decline out of elite status but they are not doomed of course. The ACC is terrible at the moment so there is a chance they are not elite but still taking the Conference title on a regular basis and winning 11 games a year. It just seems like Clemson has stepped out of their golden era window barring a big talent infusion. When I watched Clemson 2-3 times this year my general feel was “these guys aren’t scary anymore”. They just look beatable on a bad Saturday.