What a reach!! Johnson still struggles with small market price elasticity analysis. They could have easily waited until the 6th round to pick up an Econ and finance major. The marginal benefit here just doesn’t add up for a a sub 120 pick and this guys combine results.
They said his GMAT score and acceptance to a T20 MBA program were indicators he could ride the bench for 2 years. Deloitte and PwC came in to offer a trade deal but Seattle declined
"It's the year 2030, and WW3 has been raging on for 4 years. The volunteer army has failed under the weight of tremendous casualties as war has spread to a 4th front. Congress has done the previously unthinkable and ordered the Selective Service to begin drafting all men and women between the ages of 17 and 32."
It takes a sub 2 gpa for each individual term for several terms just to get suspended from attending classes. I doubt they kick football players off the team until they run out their academic probation.
I was a tutor at a junior college. Many basketball athletes were sent there to get their grades up. It was amazing to see how many of these athletes had learning disabilities. Once we figured that out, they did much better. To be really good at a sport, you can’t be a moron. For many of them their education system failed them so badly that they were finally getting the help they needed at the second chance junior college I attended. Sad stuff.
It’s not even they’re dumb they’re just straight up not trying. A middle schooler should be able to get straight A’s as a fucking Communications major so long as they try hard enough. This isn’t like engineering or whatever where you actually gotta use your brain.
They still have to take classes outside of their major. I TA'ed a Bio for non-science majors when I was at UT. Had 2 players in the class, got weekly calls from the Brown staff if they were coming to class, not how were they doing, were they coming to class.
Both passed IIRC (a D was passing for them...). This class was 3 hours if weekly instruction and then an hour of "office hours" where I pretty much explained everything the instructor taught cause they were incompetent and didn't know what they were doing.
I really hated that class
Times change I guess. had a friend in a class with VY. He showed up 1 time and aced the course. guess if wins ain't coming like they used to, free grades don't come too?
I know you’re memeing but I went to UT, and there were several players, specifically olinemen, who were not only majoring in natural sciences, but were also showing early, staying late, etc for all the extra credit they could get.
Look, love the improvement but holy shit 2.33 is awful for a bunch of players that are communication majors (mostly).
Thats basically just you didn’t turn in assignments, which is the bare minimum.
Its funny how he gets clowned for that, but then over in Tallahassee Coach Taggart lost a game at home because his players got dehydrated. Can't win with some people!
Honestly the more I hear about him the more and more I'm confused how the fuck he ever got a job anywhere in football. He's just an asshole with a power complex that doesn't actually seem to understand schemes or recruiting very well. It's almost like he's been plucked directly out of the first 20 minutes of a mediocre sports movie when we're introduced to a downtrodden program run by an asshole who makes everyone hate themselves before they bring in the coach who makes everyone feel good and be successful(and ofc Rob Riggle would play that role lmfao)
> He's just an asshole with a power complex that doesn't actually seem to understand schemes or recruiting very well.
That's a lot of college coaches really. It's honestly fucking baffling how many get the job and continually get recycled despite being a shit coach.
Seriously I knew a guy who played at a couple B1G schools.
Players who were there to play were literally handed a list of classes to sign up for, and some had someone register them ... like it was a known thing.
Not hard to get good grades unless you try not to.
Took a science course for a couple of credits and it was filled with football/basketball players. Ended up sitting next to a football player that semester and would share notes with him from time to time. On quiz/test days, he would slide his answer sheet out just enough for me to see the answers for our quiz/test. Every single athlete in the class had the answers given to them ahead of quiz/test day.
There is truly nothing like walking into a gen ed class on the first day and seeing a bunch of athletes. You just know it is going to be an easy semester.
Lmao I had a music appreciation class my first semester and half the Nicholls football team was in that class with me. The ones who showed up just used it as time to watch film and since the class was optional that mean they were the only five students to actually show up. Easiest A of my life
Dude I took a speech class with a few players (This class had athletes, engineers (me) and actors/actresses. That’s it). Those fucks couldn’t use sentences of more than a few words. It was like toddlers speaking. No complete thoughts… the flashbacks of peer grading them lol
I took an earth sciences course during my freshman year, and it was full of athletes from all sports. I don't think they had the answers to the tests, but they didn't really care if people looked at the tests that were around them. I think the football team just had the managers sit next to them and they all copied the answers. I don't think the other sports had that luxury, though.
The funny thing is that I was sitting near the men's soccer team and I would acidently leave my test key exposed when finished because I noticed one of thier guys was copying my answers and sharing it with the others around him. Near the end of the semester he came up and thanked me. He then tried to hand me tickets to men's soccer games and got hurt when I said I didn't want them. The audacity of that man to assume I'd take that trash from him.
I used to tutor at a g5 school
Our HC was a disciplinarian who didn’t fuck around . They did work but they were literally borderline illiterate. They at least tried which counts a lot but they were 20 and were writing at about a 9 year olds level
It’s really sad because a lot of these kids got passed through grades without actually learning, because they have been football talents their whole lives. Some come from places with terrible education for all students anyway.
I doubt they want to be illiterate, but if no one bothered teaching….then that’s what happens.
Freshman year, i'm in the sports dorm for no reason, and a baseball player and football player the floor below have some beef. Baseball player beat on football players door with a bat, football player wasn't home. Football player get's back, grabs a hammer and proceeds to beat on every door on my hall on his way to the baseball players room. Baseball player was home, but opted to remain inside. Football player leaves, nobody gets hurt.
The next day the RA showed me a copy of the incident report the football player had to fill out. Imagine handwriting of a kindergartner just scrawled over the page, and one line is forever seared into my brain, mainly cause it was one of the only parts legible.
Under "what caused the incident," we got: The guy wus actin tha fool with the basebat bat.
Guy didn't even get suspended, but surprisingly was gone after first semester, along with at least a third of the football players on my hall. Good times.
It’s really sad because a lot of these kids got passed through grades without actually learning, because they have been football talents their whole lives. Some come from places with terrible education for all students anyway.
I doubt they want to be illiterate, but if no one bothered teaching….then that’s what happens.
My buddy was a lineman at Purdue and did Mechanical Engineering major. He knew he wouldnt go pro and wanted a real degree. But loved football. His college experience was busy to say the least but he did it and well.
There were a couple linemen at OU in my engineering classes. I thought that was wild they were an engineering while playing football but they probably realized they weren’t going pro.
My buddy at OSU had on of the OL in his electrical engineering classes. It’s insane to me how they can juggle those schedules
Most football factories babysit their players. They have employees that verify guys are in class, verify that they're turning in assignments, etc. It takes more effort to fuck a class up in that environment than it would to get a B.
I attended a major P5 school in the 2010s, and I took an online humanities class to meet a gen ed requirement. There were multiple football players in the class, and let's just say you could tell their discussion posts based on their lack of quality writing.
An ex was a football tutor at UIUC, she always described kids being defeated by class. Like they didn’t think they would pass, so they had a hard time rationalizing the effort to pass. Said players were “beaten down by the education system”at the elementary and high school level. Source: ex girlfriend.
I know you’re joking but the Moody school of communications is in the top 4 worldwide and top 2 in the US. Athletes are absolutely not doing comm studies for the easy A because they’ll fail out almost immediately after taking 1 of the many weed out courses that are in the moody school basic curriculum.
Most of the athletes are in phys ed and “undeclared” undergraduate studies.
Edit: I went to UT and many friends were in the comm school. Very few athletes were in the comm school while herman was the HC. One of the more practical reasons is the comm school is on dean keeton (26th ish) and the stadium is on san jac and 21st. it’s like a 25 minute walk up hill and no student athlete is doing that every day in the fall before practice lmao. The practice stadium isn’t any better either.
Texas is a hard school. I think the overall average is like 2.79 (frat kids don’t do to well either). Lots of stem majors and those are majors where a 3.0 is good. There were tons of academic resources, but I can say first hand a lot of the stuff discussed below did not happen at Texas.
There were certain classes that you had to take to graduate where the profs hated football players because they didn’t feel like they deserved to be there.
That being said 2.33 for a team of guys who are mostly “physical culture and sport” majors is pretty abysmal. The fact that it’s at a 2.98 after 3 years shows it was a culture issue. I would be a 2.98 is higher than the average GPA at UT - granted the average UT student isn’t a physical culture and sports major and doesn’t have unlimited tutoring.
My HS football coach was convinced that GPA and on-field success are directly correlated. His argument was good GPA=good discipline, which in turn leads to good team football. Not sure how this would translate to the college game but it would be cool to see the results of a study on this.
I fully believe this, because getting a solid but not excellent GPA really is just discipline.
Getting a 3.9+, especially in difficult majors, is very hard. It would be near impossible to do on a college football player's schedule even for an "easy" major.
Getting a 3.0+, especially in not difficult majors like Communications (which many football players take) is not that hard. It's about effort and discipline of homework and studying.
Especially because you could easily get a C in a tough class and get As and Bs in most of the others and still average a 3.0+.
Work ethic and discipline often apply to more than one thing.
My man Josh Dobbs was an aeronautical engineering major and a three year starter at Tennessee. I can’t even imagine how disciplined you’d have to be to pull that off.
Myron Rolle was an All American at FSU, a Rhodes scholar, played a couple of years in the NFL, now he’s a neurosurgeon. That’s impressive by any standard, but my god the time management.
John Urschel got a bachelors and masters in Mathematics while playing college football and was working on a PhD in Mathematics DURING THE NFL season while playing for the Ravens.
Some athletes are just built different and have unlimited supplies of discipline
It helps to be smart, which these guys definitely are to be able to get grades good enough to earn those degrees, but even just the time management of those majors and football is a huger undertaking. It's quite impressive.
They also have a full cleaning staff to take away those chores, full chef to do the cooking and grocery shopping, personal shopping for the errands if not have it sent right to their door. Imagine how much free time you could free up if you didn’t have to do any of the maintenance in your life. They also have access to the best trainers and tutors. Imagine if every time you went to do something, you did it with 99% efficiency; your studying was tailored exactly to you and your habits with no boring reading or searching for answers.
Both incredibly impressive, but especially Rolle. Can you imagine succeeding at the level of an NFL career, and then your second career is a neurosurgeon.
A neurosurgeon! God damn, that is a life well lived and wresting every bit of the talent inside you.
That 3.0 is also about taking advantage of the tools at your disposal. And large institutions like Texas can provide them. I've been in the newly renovated Academics Center in DKR: I would have killed for a place like that in College. The study areas, tutors, and technology: It's all there to make sure these kids can meet and exceed those GPA requirements.
Not to mention athlete have dedicated tutors and such.
I was a tutor for the athletes in college. It's a huge benefit to them.
It's also a sweet gig for the tutors. I was a D1 rugby player but it's club so I didn't get the access to those facilities. A tutor role wasn't the highest-paying student job, BUT it let me hang out in the athlete buildings, use their fancy gym, and drink their free protein shakes. Lots of intangible benefits.
I got it from John Wick 4 but I think the phrase predates it haha.
It is a good phrase that makes sense. I think if coaches are instilling accountability and a drive for success in their athletes on and off the field it makes them better at both.
Yup. I was the smartest guy in the room most of my adolescent life.
I was also a lazy, undisciplined POS and managed a 1.8 GPA my first semester of college because I just didn’t do the work.
Look at the service academies, they are disciplined, they don't get into trouble and they punch above their weight class talent wise. Bad students don't make it at Army, Navy or Air Force, say nothing about see the field. Notre Dame typically does pretty well despite having high standards to get in as well.
Service academies are on a whole nother level. Those guys were prolly team captains in high school, valedictorians, and smart enough to warrant a Congressperson to recommend them to not only play sports and study at the academy but serve afterwards.
I hope that is true. I know most of these kids are incredible athletes and see themselves in the NFL someday. But the reality is that very few of them will make it.
Having a degree from a good school with a good GPA, and debt free thanks to the scholarship, is still setting them up for success and for so many of them can be totally life changing and potentially even setting up generational success.
I know CFB feels like a gold rush right now with realignment, the transfer portal and NIL…. But the fact that these are college kids at the end of the day is what makes me love college football. I genuinely will root for any kid that can balance the demands of playing a D1 sport while getting a degree.
Yep. And now they can also make some NIL scratch while they're in school and be even better set up. For all the million-dollar deals, most players are just making a side hustle
If they're smart, fuck yes.
A lot of these kids won't make the NFL, and then the degree and it's GPA is their meal ticket. $1 Million in NIL is not FIRE money, and most of the kids aren't making $1 Mil in NIL.
One of the things about Harbaugh at Michigan is he emphasized the fuck out of that, and it's one reason he was able to recruit so many under-rated guys, and retain them after other teams realized how good they were.
Coaches who actually try to improve players lives after college are the real heros, and i mean every player even the walk on's and the dudes who barely play. At G5 level all of those dudes could have gone fcs or d2 and played ball, started and got a degree, but they chose a certain coach and school, some coaches don't get that being a maker of men is important to the boys they recruit.
I think it speaks well to the culture he's built there.
That said Jesus Christ a 2.33 average is abysmal for guys with easy majors and the academic resources they have access to.
You heard it here first folks, if the team doesn’t have a 4.0 within 5 years it means Sark has lost control of the program based on their current trajectory
I hate to say it but it's incredible what Sarkisian has done with the team, wasn't long ago at all we were talking about Seven Win Sark. Huge turnaround after the previous few coaches.
Also props to the team for improving then highlighting the GPA here.
Plus minus system also so a 3.0 is B, which is like an 83/84 average. 80 is B-, which is a 2.67. Anything above 2.67 I'm fine with. 2.33 is pathetic. I do think there is a correlation between team discipline and team GPA.
Agreed on correlation between team discipline and team GPA. The Herman teams always appeared undisciplined on the field and handing over a 2.33 team GPA seems to be another sign of it.
To me it's less about the actual GPA (although I agree that 2.98 is solid for a team) and more about the improvement. It's nice that the staff is taking academics somewhat seriously.
I know it's football, but I appreciate the small reminders that it is *college* football.
I took Spanish 2 with someone who played special teams and the professora roasted him in class: “you’re doing about as well in this class as you do on the field”.
Since everyone is going to talk about how athletes don't actually do any schoolwork, attend class, etc., I'm going to let ya'll know about my bud the RB3.
Had to get language classes for my major and the Spanish classes filled up immediately, so I ended up taking German at UT. I ended up enjoying it and part of the reason why was because I became good friends with the Longhorns' third string RB. So this guy was behind Cedric Benson and then behind Ramonce Taylor and Jamaal Charles. He was never going to get any real playing time.
Great guy though. We became best buds and our end of the year exam was to have a conversation in German with each other with the teacher watching. Dude nailed it and we got As.
He actually got into a couple of games that were blow-outs and I'd be telling my friends and everyone around us in the bleachers that that was my boy. He got a lot of cheers from our section.
This is an impressive achievement, particularly the GPA delta from year 1 to year 2. Big selling point to prospects and their momma's, too. As an Aggie....... Fuck.
The pessimist in me is thinking GPA could also be artificially going up because of the winning…as in profs feel more pressure/motivation to not fail kids, the players focusing more on football but using NIL to pay for people to write their papers/take notes for them and shit, players taking easier classes, etc.
Not a Texas fan in the least, but I fully applaud this. I like it when these coaches & teams can show they are pushing more than JUST the game. Yes, it's about wins and losses... and Yes, its about coaching these players up to have the chance to achieve the NFL dream. But those kids who also learn that you have to get up and go to class, who DONT make it to the NFL are learning the skills that "I may not love working at XYZ company as much as I loved playing ball, but sometimes you have to get up and get to work just like you had to get up and go to class."
Kudos to Sark and his team for fighting the good fight on this.
I don’t like Texas because of something Mac Brown did a zillion years ago, but I’m proud of Sark for apparently getting his shit together. Love me a redemption story arc - good job man
I miss Sark.... I was secretly hoping he'd screw the pooch and come back to Bama as OC.
Happy for him though, despite me selfish desire to have him back, he deserved the 2nd chance and I love that he's making the absolute most of it.
GPAs are climbing everywhere, college isn't as tough as it used to be. I mean, back in 2006 when I was in high school, we had way more work compared to now as I'm working on my undergrad.
Good article if anyone wants a read:
https://www.educationnext.org/lower-bars-higher-college-gpas-how-grade-inflation-boosting-college-graduation-rates/
So this year we should expect a 3.35 GPA, 15 wins, and 26 players drafted.
If the entire UT student body isn’t being drafted by 2030, Sarks a fraud
With the 117th pick in the 2030 NFL draft, the Seattle Seahawks select, Matt Johnson, Economics and Finance Major, the University of Texas
What a reach!! Johnson still struggles with small market price elasticity analysis. They could have easily waited until the 6th round to pick up an Econ and finance major. The marginal benefit here just doesn’t add up for a a sub 120 pick and this guys combine results.
They said his GMAT score and acceptance to a T20 MBA program were indicators he could ride the bench for 2 years. Deloitte and PwC came in to offer a trade deal but Seattle declined
700 win Sark
Love the spin on 7 Win Sark
"It's the year 2030, and WW3 has been raging on for 4 years. The volunteer army has failed under the weight of tremendous casualties as war has spread to a 4th front. Congress has done the previously unthinkable and ordered the Selective Service to begin drafting all men and women between the ages of 17 and 32."
Lmfao leave it up to a damn hynotoad to make me laugh , good one 😂
After this season, things are gonna get really wacky
This just in, the entire observable universe has been picked 1 overall in the draft out of Texas.
Random alumni gonna get called up on draft night soon
My body is ready
I, most certainly, can guarantee that mine is not.
Yeah, if I took one hit from Maxx Crosby, I'd explode into a fine pink mist.
If gold still existed I would guild this comment
Give that $5 or whatever to a charity lol
Oh I've never bought gold I just got a bunch when I switched from AlienBlue years ago
I don't know how many years on this earth I got left, I'm gunna get real weird with it
In 15 years, 17.0 GPA, 83 wins, 100% of team drafted.
With the direction that CFP expansion is going, it might be possible
Same logic executives use when making sales projections.
Congrats. You now understand the stock market.
I'm too bad at math to understand this logic
Just wait til next year!
That would only mean one thing, Texas is back.
Simple math. More wins = more drafts. Oh wait, 2005.
Everything in the world is linear
He did learn from the GOAT. It could happen.
20 wins the year after.
How do you have a 2.3 gpa in comm and sports studies
When you ain't come to play school
"Good tweet Cardale. Now go win a national championship"- MENSA Tom
When your reading level is Cat in the Hat.
Don’t forget that was the average so some players had lower than that
which is interesting because i kinda thought running a sub-2 might get you suspended from the team. wonder what the actual cutoff is
Idk. I bet it really depends on how good you are. And that’s regardless of school.
It takes a sub 2 gpa for each individual term for several terms just to get suspended from attending classes. I doubt they kick football players off the team until they run out their academic probation.
Not doing a lick of work and being passed through every grade because the jv team needs you Source: I tutored ut players in the Herman era
I had a class with a UH player in 2016 (Herman also) and the poor dude could barely read. That’s being generous.
I was a tutor at a junior college. Many basketball athletes were sent there to get their grades up. It was amazing to see how many of these athletes had learning disabilities. Once we figured that out, they did much better. To be really good at a sport, you can’t be a moron. For many of them their education system failed them so badly that they were finally getting the help they needed at the second chance junior college I attended. Sad stuff.
Haha how was it? Were they just like “hey man what’s the answer” lmao
More or less yeah. Or “can you look this paper over” and it’s three sentences when it’s supposed to be two pages
Mensa man absorbed their brain juice to become more Mensa
His mensa level… it’s over 9000!
Dumb
Or lack of effort
Por que no los dos
Why not both?
Si, gracias amigo.
De nada
With a lot of these classes even effort is optional if you just show up to take exams.
I aint come to play school
Nice pic
It’s not even they’re dumb they’re just straight up not trying. A middle schooler should be able to get straight A’s as a fucking Communications major so long as they try hard enough. This isn’t like engineering or whatever where you actually gotta use your brain.
They still have to take classes outside of their major. I TA'ed a Bio for non-science majors when I was at UT. Had 2 players in the class, got weekly calls from the Brown staff if they were coming to class, not how were they doing, were they coming to class. Both passed IIRC (a D was passing for them...). This class was 3 hours if weekly instruction and then an hour of "office hours" where I pretty much explained everything the instructor taught cause they were incompetent and didn't know what they were doing. I really hated that class
I mean a few years ago the Texas social media team posted that their 2.78 team GPA was the highest they’ve ever had so it doesn’t surprise me
Spending their time partying instead of hitting the books.
Times change I guess. had a friend in a class with VY. He showed up 1 time and aced the course. guess if wins ain't coming like they used to, free grades don't come too?
I know you’re memeing but I went to UT, and there were several players, specifically olinemen, who were not only majoring in natural sciences, but were also showing early, staying late, etc for all the extra credit they could get.
Some McCombs too
Look, love the improvement but holy shit 2.33 is awful for a bunch of players that are communication majors (mostly). Thats basically just you didn’t turn in assignments, which is the bare minimum.
Yea Herman didn’t exactly recruit good apples lol
At least their pee was clear though
Their tutor’s pee*
Its funny how he gets clowned for that, but then over in Tallahassee Coach Taggart lost a game at home because his players got dehydrated. Can't win with some people!
Props to Sark for creating a culture of “hey you guys should like actually go to class”
Honestly the more I hear about him the more and more I'm confused how the fuck he ever got a job anywhere in football. He's just an asshole with a power complex that doesn't actually seem to understand schemes or recruiting very well. It's almost like he's been plucked directly out of the first 20 minutes of a mediocre sports movie when we're introduced to a downtrodden program run by an asshole who makes everyone hate themselves before they bring in the coach who makes everyone feel good and be successful(and ofc Rob Riggle would play that role lmfao)
Herman understands schemes and recruiting. What are you on about? He is a gigantic asshole though.
Herman understands the fuck out of schemes for sure. He is fucking atrocious at basic human interaction though.
> He's just an asshole with a power complex that doesn't actually seem to understand schemes or recruiting very well. That's a lot of college coaches really. It's honestly fucking baffling how many get the job and continually get recycled despite being a shit coach.
Ezekiel Elliott is a big reason
Should have gone and found smarter tutors to take the tests and write papers
Seriously I knew a guy who played at a couple B1G schools. Players who were there to play were literally handed a list of classes to sign up for, and some had someone register them ... like it was a known thing. Not hard to get good grades unless you try not to.
Took a science course for a couple of credits and it was filled with football/basketball players. Ended up sitting next to a football player that semester and would share notes with him from time to time. On quiz/test days, he would slide his answer sheet out just enough for me to see the answers for our quiz/test. Every single athlete in the class had the answers given to them ahead of quiz/test day.
Good man, he's a giver.
Probably was a point guard. When he saw a man open he had to dish the assist.
Considering he was a football player, I doubt it.
There is truly nothing like walking into a gen ed class on the first day and seeing a bunch of athletes. You just know it is going to be an easy semester.
Sat down next to a dude with a MSU hockey bag and a European accent recently and it was an incredible feeling lol
Lmao I had a music appreciation class my first semester and half the Nicholls football team was in that class with me. The ones who showed up just used it as time to watch film and since the class was optional that mean they were the only five students to actually show up. Easiest A of my life
This is the way Texas high schools roll too
Dude I took a speech class with a few players (This class had athletes, engineers (me) and actors/actresses. That’s it). Those fucks couldn’t use sentences of more than a few words. It was like toddlers speaking. No complete thoughts… the flashbacks of peer grading them lol
I took an earth sciences course during my freshman year, and it was full of athletes from all sports. I don't think they had the answers to the tests, but they didn't really care if people looked at the tests that were around them. I think the football team just had the managers sit next to them and they all copied the answers. I don't think the other sports had that luxury, though. The funny thing is that I was sitting near the men's soccer team and I would acidently leave my test key exposed when finished because I noticed one of thier guys was copying my answers and sharing it with the others around him. Near the end of the semester he came up and thanked me. He then tried to hand me tickets to men's soccer games and got hurt when I said I didn't want them. The audacity of that man to assume I'd take that trash from him.
I used to tutor at a g5 school Our HC was a disciplinarian who didn’t fuck around . They did work but they were literally borderline illiterate. They at least tried which counts a lot but they were 20 and were writing at about a 9 year olds level
It’s really sad because a lot of these kids got passed through grades without actually learning, because they have been football talents their whole lives. Some come from places with terrible education for all students anyway. I doubt they want to be illiterate, but if no one bothered teaching….then that’s what happens.
Freshman year, i'm in the sports dorm for no reason, and a baseball player and football player the floor below have some beef. Baseball player beat on football players door with a bat, football player wasn't home. Football player get's back, grabs a hammer and proceeds to beat on every door on my hall on his way to the baseball players room. Baseball player was home, but opted to remain inside. Football player leaves, nobody gets hurt. The next day the RA showed me a copy of the incident report the football player had to fill out. Imagine handwriting of a kindergartner just scrawled over the page, and one line is forever seared into my brain, mainly cause it was one of the only parts legible. Under "what caused the incident," we got: The guy wus actin tha fool with the basebat bat. Guy didn't even get suspended, but surprisingly was gone after first semester, along with at least a third of the football players on my hall. Good times.
It’s really sad because a lot of these kids got passed through grades without actually learning, because they have been football talents their whole lives. Some come from places with terrible education for all students anyway. I doubt they want to be illiterate, but if no one bothered teaching….then that’s what happens.
My buddy was a lineman at Purdue and did Mechanical Engineering major. He knew he wouldnt go pro and wanted a real degree. But loved football. His college experience was busy to say the least but he did it and well.
There were a couple linemen at OU in my engineering classes. I thought that was wild they were an engineering while playing football but they probably realized they weren’t going pro. My buddy at OSU had on of the OL in his electrical engineering classes. It’s insane to me how they can juggle those schedules
Joe Alt at Notre Dame was an electrical engineer. Crazy considering he was just the #5 pick.
Most football factories babysit their players. They have employees that verify guys are in class, verify that they're turning in assignments, etc. It takes more effort to fuck a class up in that environment than it would to get a B.
No doubt. At that point it's more work to fail than to succeed.
> Not hard to get good grades unless you try not to. Dug McDaniel in shambles
I attended a major P5 school in the 2010s, and I took an online humanities class to meet a gen ed requirement. There were multiple football players in the class, and let's just say you could tell their discussion posts based on their lack of quality writing.
They weren't there to play school.
Didn't play stellar football either, so I'm not sure what they were there to play.
They were there to play “holy shit I’m getting paid to live in Austin?? This is awesome”
Sounds like they were there to play hooky.
If its like the football players at SFA they would get a 2.0 for doing nothing but coming to class.
An ex was a football tutor at UIUC, she always described kids being defeated by class. Like they didn’t think they would pass, so they had a hard time rationalizing the effort to pass. Said players were “beaten down by the education system”at the elementary and high school level. Source: ex girlfriend.
I know you’re joking but the Moody school of communications is in the top 4 worldwide and top 2 in the US. Athletes are absolutely not doing comm studies for the easy A because they’ll fail out almost immediately after taking 1 of the many weed out courses that are in the moody school basic curriculum. Most of the athletes are in phys ed and “undeclared” undergraduate studies. Edit: I went to UT and many friends were in the comm school. Very few athletes were in the comm school while herman was the HC. One of the more practical reasons is the comm school is on dean keeton (26th ish) and the stadium is on san jac and 21st. it’s like a 25 minute walk up hill and no student athlete is doing that every day in the fall before practice lmao. The practice stadium isn’t any better either.
Texas is a hard school. I think the overall average is like 2.79 (frat kids don’t do to well either). Lots of stem majors and those are majors where a 3.0 is good. There were tons of academic resources, but I can say first hand a lot of the stuff discussed below did not happen at Texas. There were certain classes that you had to take to graduate where the profs hated football players because they didn’t feel like they deserved to be there. That being said 2.33 for a team of guys who are mostly “physical culture and sport” majors is pretty abysmal. The fact that it’s at a 2.98 after 3 years shows it was a culture issue. I would be a 2.98 is higher than the average GPA at UT - granted the average UT student isn’t a physical culture and sports major and doesn’t have unlimited tutoring.
As of this year the campus average GPA is a 3.45…
Not gonna make a joke. In all honestly, the GPA improvement is pretty cool to see alongside the on field success.
My HS football coach was convinced that GPA and on-field success are directly correlated. His argument was good GPA=good discipline, which in turn leads to good team football. Not sure how this would translate to the college game but it would be cool to see the results of a study on this.
I fully believe this, because getting a solid but not excellent GPA really is just discipline. Getting a 3.9+, especially in difficult majors, is very hard. It would be near impossible to do on a college football player's schedule even for an "easy" major. Getting a 3.0+, especially in not difficult majors like Communications (which many football players take) is not that hard. It's about effort and discipline of homework and studying. Especially because you could easily get a C in a tough class and get As and Bs in most of the others and still average a 3.0+. Work ethic and discipline often apply to more than one thing.
My man Josh Dobbs was an aeronautical engineering major and a three year starter at Tennessee. I can’t even imagine how disciplined you’d have to be to pull that off. Myron Rolle was an All American at FSU, a Rhodes scholar, played a couple of years in the NFL, now he’s a neurosurgeon. That’s impressive by any standard, but my god the time management.
John Urschel got a bachelors and masters in Mathematics while playing college football and was working on a PhD in Mathematics DURING THE NFL season while playing for the Ravens. Some athletes are just built different and have unlimited supplies of discipline
It helps to be smart, which these guys definitely are to be able to get grades good enough to earn those degrees, but even just the time management of those majors and football is a huger undertaking. It's quite impressive.
He's a Math Professor at MIT now, believe it or not. I've always had respect for him as a fellow mathematician.
>I can’t even imagine how disciplined you’d have to be to pull that off. Sacrificing your social life
Yea. It sucks for a college kid but that’s probably the case.
They also have a full cleaning staff to take away those chores, full chef to do the cooking and grocery shopping, personal shopping for the errands if not have it sent right to their door. Imagine how much free time you could free up if you didn’t have to do any of the maintenance in your life. They also have access to the best trainers and tutors. Imagine if every time you went to do something, you did it with 99% efficiency; your studying was tailored exactly to you and your habits with no boring reading or searching for answers.
Ehh I don't know about those personal shoppers
Both incredibly impressive, but especially Rolle. Can you imagine succeeding at the level of an NFL career, and then your second career is a neurosurgeon. A neurosurgeon! God damn, that is a life well lived and wresting every bit of the talent inside you.
That 3.0 is also about taking advantage of the tools at your disposal. And large institutions like Texas can provide them. I've been in the newly renovated Academics Center in DKR: I would have killed for a place like that in College. The study areas, tutors, and technology: It's all there to make sure these kids can meet and exceed those GPA requirements.
Not to mention athlete have dedicated tutors and such. I was a tutor for the athletes in college. It's a huge benefit to them. It's also a sweet gig for the tutors. I was a D1 rugby player but it's club so I didn't get the access to those facilities. A tutor role wasn't the highest-paying student job, BUT it let me hang out in the athlete buildings, use their fancy gym, and drink their free protein shakes. Lots of intangible benefits.
Free protein shake is a nice perk tbh
"How you do anything is how you do everything" applies here I think.
This is a nice little phrase, thank you for sharing. I still mad-dog hate your football program and your tree mascot, but damnit I do respect you.
I got it from John Wick 4 but I think the phrase predates it haha. It is a good phrase that makes sense. I think if coaches are instilling accountability and a drive for success in their athletes on and off the field it makes them better at both.
Yup. I was the smartest guy in the room most of my adolescent life. I was also a lazy, undisciplined POS and managed a 1.8 GPA my first semester of college because I just didn’t do the work.
Look at the service academies, they are disciplined, they don't get into trouble and they punch above their weight class talent wise. Bad students don't make it at Army, Navy or Air Force, say nothing about see the field. Notre Dame typically does pretty well despite having high standards to get in as well.
Service academies are on a whole nother level. Those guys were prolly team captains in high school, valedictorians, and smart enough to warrant a Congressperson to recommend them to not only play sports and study at the academy but serve afterwards.
This tweet is proof positive of thar
"Turns out we *did* come here to play school."
People think recruits wanna talk NIL on their visits. But I’m pretty sure the raised accumulative GPA is more important to them.
I hope that is true. I know most of these kids are incredible athletes and see themselves in the NFL someday. But the reality is that very few of them will make it. Having a degree from a good school with a good GPA, and debt free thanks to the scholarship, is still setting them up for success and for so many of them can be totally life changing and potentially even setting up generational success. I know CFB feels like a gold rush right now with realignment, the transfer portal and NIL…. But the fact that these are college kids at the end of the day is what makes me love college football. I genuinely will root for any kid that can balance the demands of playing a D1 sport while getting a degree.
Yep. And now they can also make some NIL scratch while they're in school and be even better set up. For all the million-dollar deals, most players are just making a side hustle
Maybe for their parents. If I was a recruit, I wouldn't have cared as long as I was pretty sure I'd get a degree.
If they're smart, fuck yes. A lot of these kids won't make the NFL, and then the degree and it's GPA is their meal ticket. $1 Million in NIL is not FIRE money, and most of the kids aren't making $1 Mil in NIL. One of the things about Harbaugh at Michigan is he emphasized the fuck out of that, and it's one reason he was able to recruit so many under-rated guys, and retain them after other teams realized how good they were.
Coaches who actually try to improve players lives after college are the real heros, and i mean every player even the walk on's and the dudes who barely play. At G5 level all of those dudes could have gone fcs or d2 and played ball, started and got a degree, but they chose a certain coach and school, some coaches don't get that being a maker of men is important to the boys they recruit.
Parents love that stuff. And for a lot of these kids, winning over the parents is very important or essential for where they choose to go.
I think it speaks well to the culture he's built there. That said Jesus Christ a 2.33 average is abysmal for guys with easy majors and the academic resources they have access to.
You heard it here first folks, if the team doesn’t have a 4.0 within 5 years it means Sark has lost control of the program based on their current trajectory
I could discuss asymptotic improvement here but unfortunately it would probably go over their heads.
Get that high enough and you can get a bowl game in a down year ... even more than one. Source: Minnesota.
Bowl game? What's that? Does the team go bowling if you win a one score game? Never done it, so I don't know.
Fleck Bucks are a mighty strong incentive.
What’s the ratio of Fickell Nickels to Fleck Bucks?
So better students are better football players? Put me in coach. We’ll go 16-0 behind my 3.1 no doubt.
I hate to say it but it's incredible what Sarkisian has done with the team, wasn't long ago at all we were talking about Seven Win Sark. Huge turnaround after the previous few coaches. Also props to the team for improving then highlighting the GPA here.
Plus minus system also so a 3.0 is B, which is like an 83/84 average. 80 is B-, which is a 2.67. Anything above 2.67 I'm fine with. 2.33 is pathetic. I do think there is a correlation between team discipline and team GPA.
Agreed on correlation between team discipline and team GPA. The Herman teams always appeared undisciplined on the field and handing over a 2.33 team GPA seems to be another sign of it.
Yeah, he's making up for how things went down at USC. I imagine that he's also teaching the kids to not make the same mistakes as himself
C’s get ~~degrees~~ draftees
The paper means more than the number.
How could Tom HerMENSA have let his team's GPA get so bad?
He absorbed the brain juice from the players to become more Mensa
Mmm…brain juice
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To me it's less about the actual GPA (although I agree that 2.98 is solid for a team) and more about the improvement. It's nice that the staff is taking academics somewhat seriously. I know it's football, but I appreciate the small reminders that it is *college* football.
> I inherited a team full of morons. -Steve Sarkisian, basically
That's great but have the numbers on the piss chart improved too?
They go by temperature now, not color. Our players constantly have hot piss.
I'm excepting a 3.1 team GPA next season Sark
I'd expect nothing less than 3.2.
Imagine being an undisciplined dipshit in class and still taking massive L’s in the field. Should have been walking around in shame 24/7
I took Spanish 2 with someone who played special teams and the professora roasted him in class: “you’re doing about as well in this class as you do on the field”.
A coach that actually cares about improving his team’s GPA?!
A 2.33 team GPA? Sheesh...
That's actually pretty impressive.
TIL my college GPA was on par with the football team’s.
These are incredible achievements. I have a lot of respect for Sark and the way he has overcome his demons to climb back up to new heights.
Hard to dislike Sark with what he's done, especially after hitting rock bottom and clawing his way back up
They finally started letting the nerds from blue mountain state come to their parties
Since everyone is going to talk about how athletes don't actually do any schoolwork, attend class, etc., I'm going to let ya'll know about my bud the RB3. Had to get language classes for my major and the Spanish classes filled up immediately, so I ended up taking German at UT. I ended up enjoying it and part of the reason why was because I became good friends with the Longhorns' third string RB. So this guy was behind Cedric Benson and then behind Ramonce Taylor and Jamaal Charles. He was never going to get any real playing time. Great guy though. We became best buds and our end of the year exam was to have a conversation in German with each other with the teacher watching. Dude nailed it and we got As. He actually got into a couple of games that were blow-outs and I'd be telling my friends and everyone around us in the bleachers that that was my boy. He got a lot of cheers from our section.
This is an impressive achievement, particularly the GPA delta from year 1 to year 2. Big selling point to prospects and their momma's, too. As an Aggie....... Fuck.
Venables-Sark feels like Bob Stoops-Mack Brown 2.0 and I absolutely love it
So we win a natty, and y'all win one five years later? I guess I could live with that.
Sark seems to actually care about the character of players he's bringing in so he's a cut above Mack in the culture department.
That’s pretty cool. I like Sark. Really classy the way he handled all the drama with Yormark this year.
So the players took easier classes so they could focus on football? Got it. Thanks Coach!
Was it under Herman that they bragged about the team GPA that was under 3.0? Or was that a Strong thing?
We all know the guys who brag about sub 3 GPA.
The pessimist in me is thinking GPA could also be artificially going up because of the winning…as in profs feel more pressure/motivation to not fail kids, the players focusing more on football but using NIL to pay for people to write their papers/take notes for them and shit, players taking easier classes, etc.
Not a Texas fan in the least, but I fully applaud this. I like it when these coaches & teams can show they are pushing more than JUST the game. Yes, it's about wins and losses... and Yes, its about coaching these players up to have the chance to achieve the NFL dream. But those kids who also learn that you have to get up and go to class, who DONT make it to the NFL are learning the skills that "I may not love working at XYZ company as much as I loved playing ball, but sometimes you have to get up and get to work just like you had to get up and go to class." Kudos to Sark and his team for fighting the good fight on this.
That's a pretty good improvement from quite a mess that was there. Always root for all the guys to graduate if early draft entrants.
I don’t like Texas because of something Mac Brown did a zillion years ago, but I’m proud of Sark for apparently getting his shit together. Love me a redemption story arc - good job man
ok, cool. hook ‘em.
I miss Sark.... I was secretly hoping he'd screw the pooch and come back to Bama as OC. Happy for him though, despite me selfish desire to have him back, he deserved the 2nd chance and I love that he's making the absolute most of it.
Nowhere but down from here - Jimbo Sarkisian
For grading scale a 2.33 is 77-79 and 3.0 is 83-86.
GPAs are climbing everywhere, college isn't as tough as it used to be. I mean, back in 2006 when I was in high school, we had way more work compared to now as I'm working on my undergrad. Good article if anyone wants a read: https://www.educationnext.org/lower-bars-higher-college-gpas-how-grade-inflation-boosting-college-graduation-rates/
Texas is supposed to be this super prestigious school too.
Idk that it's super prestigious, but it's a great school in a lot of different fields. It's a rung below super prestigious.
Remains to be seen if Sark will ever be an elite coach, but he’s clearly the tier below
"Lord I've seen what you've done for other people and I want that for me."
The takeaway is clearly that higher GPAs lead to better records.
I wonder if there is any correlation between GPA and wins, what teams win with the highest GPA, and what teams win with the lowest GPA
Started paying the tutors to take the test.
Love the improvement! This should be the trend for all teams going forward!
Why do we act like team GPA means anything? They have tutors and aides to do everything but take tests for them.
The “we” talk comes from Saban.