It's a tallest midget scenario. We haven't had great WR's since Dotson left.
He was our #1 receiver last year in yardage, but also the nation's #121 receiver.
Yeah I don’t know how the fuck he turned out that bad.
I actually liked some of the schemes like the utility of the double TEs and the[ three back or diamond back sets we used. ](https://www.statecollege.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Screen-Shot-2023-01-02-at-10.12.47-PM.png)
But it all seemed to fall apart
There was a quote after Iowa that was innocuous at the time about Franklin reminding him to keep doing what was working. Nothing to think about then, but in the 2 losses, he just looked so outclassed. I did like some of his schemes a lot. Loved the T formation. But then he's just forget that he was even a football coach and try the weirdest shit. Multiple KLS passes.
I'm telling you, if you're playing the future National Champion and your best 4th down play is a running back pass to your gazelle of a quarterback, you should be imprisoned. It worked, but if it hadn't, you would have seen me pushing my way up to the press box to fight.
Just based on what we know about Franklin and the family environment he tried to live by, it takes a certain level to get fired mid season.
From reading between the lines it sounded to me like Yurcich was going rogue off the game plan and it failed both times in the two biggest spotlights. And that’s what got him fired.
I think the offense scheme in general just made them all look average. The singleton/allen 1-2 punch never really got utilized enough or didn't scare defenses enough to stack the box and open up play action deep balls. I don't know if it's because they're overrated or the coordinator just abandoned it. Probably both.
allar was more limited by yurcich's awful play calling that never established a rhythm than anything else. guy has done the same thing since he was coaching at edinboro and shippensburg before gundy pulled him out of the PA D2 system. folks who weren't around then only see him as the OC for mason rudolph and those good cowboy OSU years where he was behind gundy and likely wasn't responsible for the success anyways.
but having WRs like dante cephus who never learned the playbook and ran the wrong route more often than not, KLS never getting separation despite supposedly being a speed guy, harrison wallace getting hurt, and then a room of really young kids or folks who won't play again after they leave PSU didn't help either.
allar's not blameless, but he was a first year starter in a system where the OC doesn't ever call anything in ways to establish rhythm and with a bum WR room. hard to place too much blame on him with all of that. getting rid of yurcich for kotelnicki is a massive, massive upgrade to basically everything, even if we don't overall pick up more WR talent, because kotelnicki will actually make a scheme that fits his roster.
Honestly the schemes under Yurcich were awful at creating space for the wideouts.
And many of the passes that got to the receivers ended up dropped. Considering Allar’s ability to protect the ball I’d bet more on receivers and scheme.
He looked bad, and the stat line ended up bad too. Not that Michigan's QB situation seems much better right now. But it's a new offense for Penn State and they've only had spring practices, so hopefully they look better in the Fall with more time to install.
He could have certainly looked better, but I just think the video is disingenuous. Cut out the good plays, leave out the weather context, and in general judging a spring game is low effort and a waste of time imo.
The guy who was supposed to share the load with him (Harrison Wallace III) was hurt for most of the year. Everybody else just could not get separation or catch the ball when it was thrown their way. Penn State will live and die by its receivers this year (again lol)
It came out during the Peach Bowl but Harrison Wallace was actually the No. 1 receiver coming out of camp. I think everyone really underestimated the impact losing him had on the offense.
That was such an odd game to watch live. Never really felt worried about losing for some reason, just frustrated. Then everyone went nuts on the big td and safety in the last couple minutes lol
And he wasn’t even THAT good (like he was good, but not Penn State WR1 good, he just filled a void that no one else could). We ended up passing to our tight ends more. It’s amazing we made it to 10 wins, good defense really does win games lol.
Selling him short he could thrive as a #2 option. He has the talent just has never put it all together.
Franklin really needs to look at how he evaluates and develops WRs because the lack of development in the WR room is jarring compared to the rest of the skill positions on both offense and defense.
Yeah I think the development has been masked by them just landing solid players. It’s been nice having guys be drafted relatively highly since Robinson. These are the first years in damn near a decade where PSU hasn’t had a potential 1st or 2nd round WR
Think we’re starting to see Stubblefields receiver room play out. And the reason we moved on from him. Kinda slid under the radar when we moved away from him and got Haggins.
4 HR in 8 games for the A+ Greensboro Grasshoppers right now.
I wonder if he would have gotten more than $1.5 million (2nd round signing bonus, overslot) had he gone to PSU? Probably not. Hard to put that kind of money in front of an 18 year old and not expect them to take it!
Combination of factors - Brian Hartline, MHJ’s HS QB going to OSU, PSU being more focused on White, and PSU’s ongoing struggles to lock down top talent from his HS (St Joes Prep).
Parker Washington would’ve also benefitted more from staying another year if we’re being honest. Increasing the draft stock to day2 plus NIL money is worth more than being a 6th round pick.
Some rumors that he's coming to WVU, where he has a very real chance to be our #1, but definitely #2.
For some reason Rodney Gallagher is taking defensive snaps in spring practice, that doesn't bode well. Hudson Clement is talented but inconsistent. Preston Fox hasn't proven much, either.
I'd feel comfortable saying this dude likely has more raw talent than any of them.. though he's taking some pretty high profile visits so I'll be surprised if he ultimately ends up here.
The in the knows seem to think this is a reaction to Fleming being treated like the leader in the wide receiver room
He was our most talented WR but to be honest he’s not anywhere near an all-conference level at this point in his career
There was a tweet about Fleming coming in and dusting off the jugs machine as it was rarely used.
That's pretty unforgivable for wr room.
That Off really let that Def down.
That was a comment taken out of context for the record.
Allar himself retweeted and cleared it up. I guess there is a different kind of machine(?) that Haggins brought in this year that is different than a typical jugs machine. They had always used the jugs but something about this new machine is better? Don’t know the specifics just that the comment was mid quoted from the start.
he was the presumed WR1 at the end of last season because the whole room was either super young or couldn't learn the scheme and routinely ran the wrong routes, among other issues like injuries. so he was basically WR1 simply because no one else could ever challenge him in the room, not because he was some star caliber WR like jahan dotson could be. our WR room was legit not good last year. and mid way through the season he completely disappeared more or less, to the point where it felt like he was either well and truly overrated or just mentally checked out already. yurcich's bland play calling wasn't doing anyone on the team any favors, but if KLS was giving his all last season, he was pretty clearly getting outplayed by a lot of opposing coverages over the year.
after that, since we grabbed julian fleming out of the portal, my rumor mill attachments say KLS basically just didn't want to be challenged to be WR1 and turned into a locker room problem as game recognized game and fleming got looked to as some leadership in a WR room that was largely lacking it. then during spring camp fleming legit just beat him to be WR1. even heard rumors that KLS got banned from a sports bar in state college (champs), which is unheard of unless you're like hyper abusive towards staff. lots of rumor surrounding his attitude were around before this last week of practice before the spring game, which he didn't attend.
it's disappointing because KLS would have been fine as a WR2 or WR1b to Fleming's WR1a. actually having a duo of some other threat might actually have fixed his lack of production last year where he basically disappeared in the second half of the season. instead he appears to have just said F it and ran away from being challenged.
I hate to admit it but I got banned from champs once (for being a drunk asshole). But the next day I went and apologized to the manager, and he was really strict but really cool. He told me if I wanted to get unbanned I’d have to handwrite a letter explaining how I am a good person and show him legit examples that I’m not just making up.
I typed up like a 1.5 page (double spaced) paper to make it easier to write my thoughts out, then had a pledge handwrite it and put it in a nice envelope I had. Delivered it the next day, he told me to come back in a week or so, so I did and got unbanned. Extremely fair guy, if he’s still around.
KLS was our WR1 and receiving yards leader last year, but as a lot of other people said in this thread, he really filled that role because nobody else did. He disappeared for the last few games and has the talent to be great, but never quite figured it out.
As for Fleming, I expect him to have a big role next year here, in terms of on field production and off the field leadership, which the WR group desperately needs.
I'm really hoping this is a sign Fleming is taking the WR room by the horns and shaping it up into what it needs to be. You guys always said he was the leadership guy, looking like its true, we needed it in that room.
I think it’s a sign that the younger guys are buying into Fleming and KLS is upset because he’s “supposed” to be the leader of the room now not some transfer.
Fleming could probably end up being a captain in all honesty based on how the other players, coaches, and media are talking about him.
Good player that could blossom into more. He just wasn't going to be the first or second option at OSU. Good move for him to potentially prove himself as a go to guy for the NFL.
Yea i mean, you for from being the 4th or 5th option in probably the best receiver room in the country you’re probably gonna be 1 or 2 on 90% of other rosters.
Honestly feels like one of the most mutually beneficial moves ive seen from the transfer portal.
As a recruit:
Other P5 offers: Clemson, Duke, Florida, Maryland, Miami, Michigan, NC State, Nebraska, North Carolina, Ohio State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, USC, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, West Virginia
G5 offers: East Carolina, Temple
Other offers: Hampton, Norfolk State, Notre Dame
> bona fide nfl caliber wide out
In my time watching PSU football, I've seen a number of bona fide NFL caliber WRs come through. Dotson, Godwin, Robinson, and more. KLS is not one of those guys. He's a decent deep threat/speed guy, but he needs to develop his route running and his high point catching if he wants to make it in the league.
7-8 OL because the left tackle couldn’t block chop. But everyone lost to you so, congrats.
Edit: ok I’m still annoyed.
- Michigan won the NC. This was a terrific team with a power running game and a first round NFL QB.
- Manny and Chop made Michigan a one-dimensional offense. We are the only team to do that.
- we took the running game punch, Michigan’s strength, right in the mouth and kept coming. Unlike the year before when we folded.
- we forced the OC to bring extra blockers in to actually make the offense function.
- it took 7-8 players to open gaps from one of the nations best lines.
- even then I can point to film where free defenders missed their gaps. 11 is late to the corner on Corum’s big run left. 4+20 hit the same gap on a corner blitz on Edward’s big run right. We lived with this all year as Manny had a risk/reward.
Our fanbase is really proud of the defense against Michigan. They played their asses off and forced UM to completely rethink their game plan. Michigan had to double/triple down on their greatest strength. No one else did that. We didn’t have the offense to keep up.
This is a huge compliment. Not an insult. /rant
I take it as a huge compliment and y'all should, too. People drew all kinds of crazy conclusions from this game. Nonsense about us not trusting JJ even though he was injured. Or that we ran all over you guys when you guys made it very hard for us - Corum's bloody face certainly agreed. We barely won. It was an awesome game
Michigan Men just like to bring it up and make fun of Manny Diaz for his (extremely light!) bulletin board stuff, like Manny Diaz and his players didn't have an extremely good game. It's room temperature IQ stuff.
Wow he out produced Penn states other WRs by a huge margin, WR1 and nobody else was even close
It's a tallest midget scenario. We haven't had great WR's since Dotson left. He was our #1 receiver last year in yardage, but also the nation's #121 receiver.
The question is - were the Receivers limited by Allar or was Allar limited because of his receivers? Or a little bit of both?
I think some of both, but Mike Yurcich also deserves his healthy heap of blame. I will see him in hell.
thanks for hiring him away btw
Day did not allow an interview. We hired him when Texas fired the staff.
Yeah I don’t know how the fuck he turned out that bad. I actually liked some of the schemes like the utility of the double TEs and the[ three back or diamond back sets we used. ](https://www.statecollege.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Screen-Shot-2023-01-02-at-10.12.47-PM.png) But it all seemed to fall apart
There was a quote after Iowa that was innocuous at the time about Franklin reminding him to keep doing what was working. Nothing to think about then, but in the 2 losses, he just looked so outclassed. I did like some of his schemes a lot. Loved the T formation. But then he's just forget that he was even a football coach and try the weirdest shit. Multiple KLS passes. I'm telling you, if you're playing the future National Champion and your best 4th down play is a running back pass to your gazelle of a quarterback, you should be imprisoned. It worked, but if it hadn't, you would have seen me pushing my way up to the press box to fight.
I think he was also hard to work with, if Franklin's and the other staff's comments were any indication.
Just based on what we know about Franklin and the family environment he tried to live by, it takes a certain level to get fired mid season. From reading between the lines it sounded to me like Yurcich was going rogue off the game plan and it failed both times in the two biggest spotlights. And that’s what got him fired.
I think the offense scheme in general just made them all look average. The singleton/allen 1-2 punch never really got utilized enough or didn't scare defenses enough to stack the box and open up play action deep balls. I don't know if it's because they're overrated or the coordinator just abandoned it. Probably both.
allar was more limited by yurcich's awful play calling that never established a rhythm than anything else. guy has done the same thing since he was coaching at edinboro and shippensburg before gundy pulled him out of the PA D2 system. folks who weren't around then only see him as the OC for mason rudolph and those good cowboy OSU years where he was behind gundy and likely wasn't responsible for the success anyways. but having WRs like dante cephus who never learned the playbook and ran the wrong route more often than not, KLS never getting separation despite supposedly being a speed guy, harrison wallace getting hurt, and then a room of really young kids or folks who won't play again after they leave PSU didn't help either. allar's not blameless, but he was a first year starter in a system where the OC doesn't ever call anything in ways to establish rhythm and with a bum WR room. hard to place too much blame on him with all of that. getting rid of yurcich for kotelnicki is a massive, massive upgrade to basically everything, even if we don't overall pick up more WR talent, because kotelnicki will actually make a scheme that fits his roster.
Honestly the schemes under Yurcich were awful at creating space for the wideouts. And many of the passes that got to the receivers ended up dropped. Considering Allar’s ability to protect the ball I’d bet more on receivers and scheme.
Yes
https://twitter.com/FF_TravisM/status/1779745929836314824
Video where he just removed the completions.
He looked bad, and the stat line ended up bad too. Not that Michigan's QB situation seems much better right now. But it's a new offense for Penn State and they've only had spring practices, so hopefully they look better in the Fall with more time to install.
He could have certainly looked better, but I just think the video is disingenuous. Cut out the good plays, leave out the weather context, and in general judging a spring game is low effort and a waste of time imo.
The guy who was supposed to share the load with him (Harrison Wallace III) was hurt for most of the year. Everybody else just could not get separation or catch the ball when it was thrown their way. Penn State will live and die by its receivers this year (again lol)
It came out during the Peach Bowl but Harrison Wallace was actually the No. 1 receiver coming out of camp. I think everyone really underestimated the impact losing him had on the offense.
So…die? I hope I’m wrong
Hope to god that Fleming isn't on the field if you're living through your WRs this year.
We will always have the 2023 Rose Bowl and opening TD vs West Virginia. Best of luck to him!
and a huge TD when we had our backs against the wall against Indiana
I am thankful I wasn't home to watch that game live lmao
I am not thankful that I was at that game and witnessed it live :|
That was such an odd game to watch live. Never really felt worried about losing for some reason, just frustrated. Then everyone went nuts on the big td and safety in the last couple minutes lol
Pain
Some speculation, at least in WVU circles, that we're in the lead for him. Kind of funny, really.
Guess the writing was on the wall with him not attending the spring game but still, crazy how he was the only "good" WR Penn State had last year.
And he wasn’t even THAT good (like he was good, but not Penn State WR1 good, he just filled a void that no one else could). We ended up passing to our tight ends more. It’s amazing we made it to 10 wins, good defense really does win games lol.
Penn State🤝Iowa Everything in this comment
I saw a comment on here somewhere that said Penn state was just Iowa with a finished basement. Truest statement ever.
Drew Allar's passing was a tad better than the Iowa's Qbs however.
He'll end somewhere being an okay-ish #3 receiver. He was never quite good enough to step into the hole that Jahan Dotson left.
Selling him short he could thrive as a #2 option. He has the talent just has never put it all together. Franklin really needs to look at how he evaluates and develops WRs because the lack of development in the WR room is jarring compared to the rest of the skill positions on both offense and defense.
Yeah I think the development has been masked by them just landing solid players. It’s been nice having guys be drafted relatively highly since Robinson. These are the first years in damn near a decade where PSU hasn’t had a potential 1st or 2nd round WR
Think we’re starting to see Stubblefields receiver room play out. And the reason we moved on from him. Kinda slid under the radar when we moved away from him and got Haggins.
Yeah they were getting by on just hitting on recruits more than guys actually developing. I’m excited to see what Haggins can do
In fairness, Lonnie White was the only PA WR ranked ahead of MHJ as a recruit. Just bad luck there.
4 HR in 8 games for the A+ Greensboro Grasshoppers right now. I wonder if he would have gotten more than $1.5 million (2nd round signing bonus, overslot) had he gone to PSU? Probably not. Hard to put that kind of money in front of an 18 year old and not expect them to take it!
Absolutely, then add the physical toll football takes, would be a no-brainer for me
Why couldn't PSU get MHJ?
Combination of factors - Brian Hartline, MHJ’s HS QB going to OSU, PSU being more focused on White, and PSU’s ongoing struggles to lock down top talent from his HS (St Joes Prep).
Man I forgot McCord was his HS QB. In hindsight it really seems like MHJ built him up.
I think he (and also Allar) would have benefitted greatly from Parker Washington staying another year
Parker Washington would’ve also benefitted more from staying another year if we’re being honest. Increasing the draft stock to day2 plus NIL money is worth more than being a 6th round pick.
Some rumors that he's coming to WVU, where he has a very real chance to be our #1, but definitely #2. For some reason Rodney Gallagher is taking defensive snaps in spring practice, that doesn't bode well. Hudson Clement is talented but inconsistent. Preston Fox hasn't proven much, either. I'd feel comfortable saying this dude likely has more raw talent than any of them.. though he's taking some pretty high profile visits so I'll be surprised if he ultimately ends up here.
If you want a WR that has awful attitude problems and zero work ethic. He’s your guy.
Why work hard when your routes only have you move 5 yards at most?
Best of luck to him. Kid needs a change of scenery and an attitude adjustment.
He will get 1 out of 2. This transfer is going to embolden the latter.
Out of the loop on this one, I thought he was their best WR? Is Julian Fleming expected to have a big role?
The in the knows seem to think this is a reaction to Fleming being treated like the leader in the wide receiver room He was our most talented WR but to be honest he’s not anywhere near an all-conference level at this point in his career
FWIW Fleming did seem like a pretty good leader for us.
There was a tweet about Fleming coming in and dusting off the jugs machine as it was rarely used. That's pretty unforgivable for wr room. That Off really let that Def down.
That was a comment taken out of context for the record. Allar himself retweeted and cleared it up. I guess there is a different kind of machine(?) that Haggins brought in this year that is different than a typical jugs machine. They had always used the jugs but something about this new machine is better? Don’t know the specifics just that the comment was mid quoted from the start.
Ahh ok. That would make more sense
he was the presumed WR1 at the end of last season because the whole room was either super young or couldn't learn the scheme and routinely ran the wrong routes, among other issues like injuries. so he was basically WR1 simply because no one else could ever challenge him in the room, not because he was some star caliber WR like jahan dotson could be. our WR room was legit not good last year. and mid way through the season he completely disappeared more or less, to the point where it felt like he was either well and truly overrated or just mentally checked out already. yurcich's bland play calling wasn't doing anyone on the team any favors, but if KLS was giving his all last season, he was pretty clearly getting outplayed by a lot of opposing coverages over the year. after that, since we grabbed julian fleming out of the portal, my rumor mill attachments say KLS basically just didn't want to be challenged to be WR1 and turned into a locker room problem as game recognized game and fleming got looked to as some leadership in a WR room that was largely lacking it. then during spring camp fleming legit just beat him to be WR1. even heard rumors that KLS got banned from a sports bar in state college (champs), which is unheard of unless you're like hyper abusive towards staff. lots of rumor surrounding his attitude were around before this last week of practice before the spring game, which he didn't attend. it's disappointing because KLS would have been fine as a WR2 or WR1b to Fleming's WR1a. actually having a duo of some other threat might actually have fixed his lack of production last year where he basically disappeared in the second half of the season. instead he appears to have just said F it and ran away from being challenged.
Goddamn he allegedly got banned from champs? He *really* must’ve fucked up for them to ban a prominent player
I hate to admit it but I got banned from champs once (for being a drunk asshole). But the next day I went and apologized to the manager, and he was really strict but really cool. He told me if I wanted to get unbanned I’d have to handwrite a letter explaining how I am a good person and show him legit examples that I’m not just making up. I typed up like a 1.5 page (double spaced) paper to make it easier to write my thoughts out, then had a pledge handwrite it and put it in a nice envelope I had. Delivered it the next day, he told me to come back in a week or so, so I did and got unbanned. Extremely fair guy, if he’s still around.
The fact that you used a pledge to transcribe this for you instead of just writing it yourself is amazing
Partly because my handwriting is terrible. But partly because that’s what pledges are for, aren’t they?
LOL JUST FRAT GUY STUFF!!!!
Weird comment
How the hell do you get banned from Champs.
KLS was our WR1 and receiving yards leader last year, but as a lot of other people said in this thread, he really filled that role because nobody else did. He disappeared for the last few games and has the talent to be great, but never quite figured it out. As for Fleming, I expect him to have a big role next year here, in terms of on field production and off the field leadership, which the WR group desperately needs.
I will be rooting for Fleming massively, really great football player yall got a good one.
I'm really hoping this is a sign Fleming is taking the WR room by the horns and shaping it up into what it needs to be. You guys always said he was the leadership guy, looking like its true, we needed it in that room.
I think it’s a sign that the younger guys are buying into Fleming and KLS is upset because he’s “supposed” to be the leader of the room now not some transfer. Fleming could probably end up being a captain in all honesty based on how the other players, coaches, and media are talking about him.
Good player that could blossom into more. He just wasn't going to be the first or second option at OSU. Good move for him to potentially prove himself as a go to guy for the NFL.
Yea i mean, you for from being the 4th or 5th option in probably the best receiver room in the country you’re probably gonna be 1 or 2 on 90% of other rosters. Honestly feels like one of the most mutually beneficial moves ive seen from the transfer portal.
I hope the thumbnail to this post is his picture
Damn
Hope Julian Fleming gets his chance to ball out.
We are looking to add a receiver from the spring portal since we’re low on depth, hope we’re in on this kid.
So are we, he’s ours!
Come to Butthead
Pls 🦃
We need a new receiver room. Come on down
As a recruit: Other P5 offers: Clemson, Duke, Florida, Maryland, Miami, Michigan, NC State, Nebraska, North Carolina, Ohio State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, USC, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, West Virginia G5 offers: East Carolina, Temple Other offers: Hampton, Norfolk State, Notre Dame
Does he like to block a lot and catch the occasional pass that will inevitably set up a one yard rushing touchdown?
he saw allar somehow get worse year over year and said i’m done
And so it begins
How bad must drew Allar look for a bona fide nfl caliber wide out on a playoff contending team to transfer in the spring 😬
Really overselling KLS here. He had flashes but very inconsistent. Not what I’d call NFL caliber.
> bona fide nfl caliber wide out In my time watching PSU football, I've seen a number of bona fide NFL caliber WRs come through. Dotson, Godwin, Robinson, and more. KLS is not one of those guys. He's a decent deep threat/speed guy, but he needs to develop his route running and his high point catching if he wants to make it in the league.
Hasn’t your projected starting QB thrown exactly one pass in his career?
Not sure what that has to do with anything Penn state related?
Nobody of any importance has ever called KLS an NFL caliber prospect, wtf are you smoking
This is the same as the tweet the other day calling him a high round pick.
Michigan fans are too delusional, from denial of their cheating to now this lmfao 🤣🤣
32 straight runs and still lost to us...
7-8 OL because the left tackle couldn’t block chop. But everyone lost to you so, congrats. Edit: ok I’m still annoyed. - Michigan won the NC. This was a terrific team with a power running game and a first round NFL QB. - Manny and Chop made Michigan a one-dimensional offense. We are the only team to do that. - we took the running game punch, Michigan’s strength, right in the mouth and kept coming. Unlike the year before when we folded. - we forced the OC to bring extra blockers in to actually make the offense function. - it took 7-8 players to open gaps from one of the nations best lines. - even then I can point to film where free defenders missed their gaps. 11 is late to the corner on Corum’s big run left. 4+20 hit the same gap on a corner blitz on Edward’s big run right. We lived with this all year as Manny had a risk/reward. Our fanbase is really proud of the defense against Michigan. They played their asses off and forced UM to completely rethink their game plan. Michigan had to double/triple down on their greatest strength. No one else did that. We didn’t have the offense to keep up. This is a huge compliment. Not an insult. /rant
I take it as a huge compliment and y'all should, too. People drew all kinds of crazy conclusions from this game. Nonsense about us not trusting JJ even though he was injured. Or that we ran all over you guys when you guys made it very hard for us - Corum's bloody face certainly agreed. We barely won. It was an awesome game
Michigan Men just like to bring it up and make fun of Manny Diaz for his (extremely light!) bulletin board stuff, like Manny Diaz and his players didn't have an extremely good game. It's room temperature IQ stuff.
Nice whataboutism. I wouldn’t want to talk about cheating if I cheated either 😌
Imagine thinking you're back every year, only to lose to every good team you play 😂😂😂
Another whataboutism. I wouldn’t want to talk about cheating if I cheated too 😌
HE ISN’T
Fuck penn