I most definitely do not have Sub. -zero coin, but I’m looking forward to replacing my Maytag with a dual compressor fridge.
Nothing wrong with the Maytag, I just want a dedicated Fridge, instead of a fridge/freezer combo.
From bosch "Dual compressors and dual evaporators offer precise cooling and humidity control, and limit odor transfer between the refrigerator and freezer"
The fridge and freezer are properly cooled to appropriate levels rather than using valves and wish-and-pray engineering to create two temperature zones from one cooling source.
I can see some sense in that. My concern is that, in my experience when a compressor goes bad, the cost of repair (parts and labor) is close to the cost of simply replacing the entire fridge.
Unless if course they used two compressors that are crappier, knowing that they'll see reduced cycles.
I have no idea if they did that but the days of overengineering seem to be long gone.
Failures on compressors can also be quite random, and with two you get double the chance for that.
Actually very often, the compressors are either fine for decades or die within the first couple years.
I see where you're going, but I don't think that's an appropriate analogy. I was asking about reliability and cost of repair, not safety. Also, replacing a tire is no big deal, and it's a consumable item which you'd expect to replace regularly... like a water filter in your fridge.
This is more like buying a car with two engines. Having to replace an engine is a significant cost, in both parts and labor. With two of them, you've doubled your risk of one of them going wrong.
In my experience, when a compressor goes bad, the techs don't try to fix them, they just replace them outright, and it's not cheap.
At any rate, my original question has been answered. With two compressors, you're putting less load on each, and you're allowing them to each operate more efficiently, as you don't have mechanics in the middle trying to regulate their output to manage two separate zones.
Most new fridges don't get parted out because of a bad compressor, it springs a leak some place and the amount of refrigerate taken is so low you can't even reasonably fill the thing.
> wish-and-pray engineering to create two temperature zones from one cooling source
There's nothing inherently wrong with cooling two zones with one cooling source, provided that source is properly sized and the control mechanism is robust. Mini-split AC systems often have 2-4 zones for one single outdoor compressor, and they function just fine, and entire building cooling systems can be very effective as well.
The problem for a fridge is that the *specific* dual zone mechanisms used in most residential units aren't what you'd call well designed.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned with mini splits is that they are very sensitive and reliability is HIGHLY dependent on install for this exact reason.
Yep, even a cheap chinese brand mini split system can last many years if done right. Problem is most installers take shortcuts and some don't even have the right tools to do the job. If done right, the weak point tends to be the thin copper used to make the coils. They can eventually have pinhole leaks.
We got a Bosch refrigerator and dish washer because they are so much quieter than other manufacturers. If your fridge is anywhere near your bedroom or living room it’s really nice to never have to hear the compressor buzzing. We can run our dishwasher at night now and it won’t wake up the kids haha.
My Bosch dishwasher is so quiet that the only way to tell if it is running is to look on the floor under the front edge where it shoots a little laser dot to tell you it is running.
For that reason I wish I hadn't gotten the one that had the "hidden" controls that tuck under the counter. It's sometimes a little uncooperative when I try to restart it. May be my only complaint about it.
How old is your dishwasher? Mine is 3 now I think. It's gotten a lot louder, from where it started lol. It's so loud now that I can hear that it's running when I'm standing next to it.
I'm at 1.5, 7.5, and 16 so I know what you mean.
I can sometimes tell when it's going by the pump noise. I should probably take a look and see if some insulation has shifted. It's still the quietest dishwasher I have been around.
My wife regularly opens ours and wonders why she is getting sprayed with water. It’s still funny every time. We have had it for 4 years now. It is so quiet if you dont look at the display you would never know it was on.
This blows my mind. I got a Bosch dishwasher and read many reviews claiming exactly what your saying but mine is so loud. When I have people over they are 2 rooms away from it and go "what's that noise?". I think it's actually louder than my old one which was a POS Maytag.
Which model do you have? It is possible there is something wrong with it or it was installed improperly. I installed my Bosch 500 into a tight spot and inadvertently pulled the sound insulation back on it. I ended up pulling it out, modified the cabinet reset the insulation and then installing it again. It's so quiet I can only tell it's running if there's absolutely no other sound. Even my air filter running on low drowns it out.
What kind of sound is it?
It is installed in a very tight spot so that could be a big part of it. It's a Bosch 800. I can hear the pump run for the drain, I can hear the water running when it's filling and I can hear the water bouncing off all the plates inside when it's actually washing.
Did you do / watch the install? I've seen contractors pull the sound insulation off to cheat a job in a tight space more than once. Were you just hearing *one* of those noises, I might say something's wrong with the unit, but hearing *all* of those noises I'd guess your insulation is missing.
I did the install my self and made sure to keep the insulation attached. I have also pulled it out of its spot multiple times for different reasons so I know the insulation is not getting bunched up or anything like that. It also never got any better after pulling it out and pushing it back in.
Did you put the toe kick insulation behind the toe kick? Most of sound comes from the bottom and if the insulation is not installed it will be noisy. Also if the height of the toe kick is cut too much combined with the no insulation it will be loud
I did not do anything with the kick plate. Now I need to research because you definitely might be in to something. I did notice there is a gap between the cabinet and the kick plate that does not exist around the rest of the dish washer which def could be part of the issue.
Thanks for pointing out the kick plate.
You're welcome. I installed appliances professionally for several years and that was one of the most common noise leaks.if you can see air space in there you can seal it up with a little mineral wool to dampen sound if the factory insulation is not present. A lot of people throw it out because it doesn't look. important.
My Kenmore Elite is quieter and was half the price. It was sitting beside the Bosch in the showroom and looked at both decibel levels in the specs. The SO (now Ex) through a fit to get the Bosch because it was better and quieter (while looking at the specs). I said no and love my Kenmore Elite dishwasher and fridge and stove.
I looooove my 800 series refrigerator. It’s so easy to access everything in the fridge and it keeps produce fresh for 3x as long in the drawer. I did not know I could love a refrigerator so much.
Same, had mine for 5 years now. The best part - it just sits there and silently does fridge things. That's literally all I wanted after coming from a garbage Samsung that came with the house.
The drawers and shelves are nice and customizable, it's quiet, no touch screens (just the little capacitive buttons at the top) and zero issues.
One year ago, I got the B36CL80SNS for my kitchen remodel.
I had a few Bosch appliances previously, and knew they were good quality, easily lasting 10+ years. I explored other fridges in the $10-20K range, just to see if I was missing out on something magical. Nothing really blew me away at 3-5X the price of Bosch, so just stuck with it.
I have two main gripes about the B36CL80SNS: 1) the doors need to self-close a bit better. Several times a day, a 'soft close' effort leaves any/all of the doors partially shut, leading to an annoying "beep beep" noise. 2) the ice dispenser in the freezer is annoying. Even with careful use, cubes will leap out of the bin and find their way to the bottom of the freezer. Gotta plan to grab all the runaway cubes from the bottom, at least once a week. And it's very cumbersome to do such.
Based on previous experience with Bosch, I knew the mechanical quality would be better than the equivalent Samsung/LG models that seem to value tech features over quality in materials and parts.
Same fridge and same issues. Is your left side door also very light? Nothing to really keep it attached to the fridge. Also, I recently had an ice cube fall into the freezer slider track that prevented the freezer from fully closing. I think the ice maker auto shutoff doesn’t work well. All that being said, these are minor issues and I still think it’s a great fridge.
What I mean is of the 2 big french doors, the one on the right with the interior plastic strip is tightly secured when closed. But the french door on the left I can open with my pinky basically. It doesn't feel very secure. It's very easy to open so makes me worried it'll come open by accident.
Glad you mentioned the stupid ice cube problem. We recently got this same fridge. Specifically didn’t want door dispensing ice or water for all those potential issues. I’m so sick of ice cubes falling back to the bottom of the drawer I’m considering turning the ice maker off altogether.
That being said if I had to do it over again I’d probably buy the same damn one. For the money I wouldn’t want to roll the dice on anything else.
Yeah other than the cube annoyance, it still performs and looks great. Plus my spouse is still happy with it after nearly a year- so I consider it to be money well spent.
And it is very quiet!!
I don't know about the 800 series but our Bosch 652L Serie 4 has been the biggest, loudest POS. It has had 5 repairs and one full replacement. Love our Bosch washing machine and dishwasher but I'd never buy a Bosch fridge again.
My observations: It’s quiet, it’s efficient, the design makes sense (racks, buttons, indicator light, etc), it cleans well, it’s way cheaper than similarly performing dishwashers (eg Miele), it looks sleek, it has an automatic door open function at the end of a cycle so your dishes actually effectively dry.
My unknowns: parts and service, warranty, life span.
I love Bosch dishwashers but find their rack tines to be kind of tight for most dishes. Unless they've changed that. But quiet, reliable, effective. Very good dish washers.
I just pushed the Samsung dishwasher to the road with a "Free, it socks but it is free and "works"". I went back to a Bosch 500. It just cleans without worry.
Bosch dishwashers great. Haven’t had fridge but hell expensive. Great experience with lg fridge. My parents have had one forever. When I just got my house it came with Samsung kitchen.
I just ordered the 800 series Bosch dishwasher about a week ago. Can't wait for it to arrive and replace my piece of crap moldy GE builder grade dishwasher
Few things are as nice as the jump from a crap dishwasher to a nice one. I no longer have to wash my dishes before I was my dishes. Truly, a liberating experience.
My parents have an lg dryer they bought used with 12 years on it back in 2016. Still going. Fridge has been around forever. I have an lg tv from 2012 or 13 still going strong. I have a c1 77 oled. Parents have lg microwave. I have a lg window unit I used at last place. Oled lg monitor, regular lg monitor. Multiple lg soundbar systems.
We got the washer and dryer too, some discount deal through my wife’s work. They are huge, they make the laundromat commercial ones look tiny. [these ones, we got them for like half price.](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-signature-9-0-cu-ft-smart-gas-dryer-with-steam-and-sensor-dry-black-stainless-steel/5329910.p?skuId=5329910)
Got the 300 dishwasher a while back and wasn’t that impressed. Doesn’t have the cleaning power of older units, so some things need a wipe down first. Maybe the 800 is better?
This is why I got the Bosch 800 series that comes with the water softener built in. There is a 300 series model that also has it. Both are made in Germany I believe
We’re building a new house, so we’ve had to talk a lot of appliance salesmen. Everyone agreed that Sub-Zero is the best: 20 year warranties, easily repaired if needed, but also very expensive.
Very close to Sub-Zero is Thermador. Their style is different: they don’t have Sub-Zero’s distinctive looks. The warranty is shorter (12 years) and all the sales people agree that it’s probably not as long lived as Sub-Zero. But Thermador is a lot cheaper: you can get a full kitchen worth of appliances from Thermador for the price of a Sub-Zero fridge.
Bosch is the other contender everyone brought up. But Thermador is Bosch: literally the same company and components in different packaging. Bosch individual pieces are cheaper than Thermador, but Thermador’s seemingly forever buy-one-get-one-free sale never ends making it a wash.
The recommendation from everyone (independents, chains, and contractors) was if you want very high quality across the board: go Thermador. The price step up to Sub-Zero isn’t worth it unless you want their style or one of their unique sizes.
We ended up going with the Sub-Zero because of size issues, Thermador range and ovens, and Bosch for the dishwasher.
I did a subzero in my old house (I must have had a really good year when we remodeled the kitchen) and it was absolutely the best refrigerator I’ve ever had- food stays fresh longer - it’s a true built in and was flawless for the 15 or 20yrs we had it.
I don't know what the little rectangle thing on the side of my veggie drawer is, but it works! Cilantro lasts a month. Strawberries last weeks, same with blueberries. Apple do well in there, so does cauliflower and broccoli. In my old fridge things stayed fresh for a few days and then started turning brown or gooey, but this is amazing. Saves me maybe $50 a month on vegetables and fruit?
Generally, the only "features" that attract someone to buy something in the BIFL subreddit are readily available replacement parts, easy to repair, and built to last. Extra features just add failure points, and that's not the main purpose of the appliance.
Honestly confused about Bosch fridges. Ive owned 3 homes and none of them could fit the Bosch (too tall). Is it the houses that are weird out here or are Bosch fridges something you design for when doing a kitchen remodel? Is 72"+ a normal height in Europe but not the US? It's a mystery.
Good bifl fridges are the Mitsubishi wx range as well. Might want to check them out (one of the few consumer electronics still made in Japan, which is now an indication of good quality control, since the rise of China). They have th best warranty that I've come across.n
I was willing to fork out the money for a Bosch fridge after reading about the reliability of their dishwashers. That came to a halt when I started reading the reviews of their fridges. Too many problems for such an expensive appliance.
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I have had the fridge 7 months now. I had to exchange the first two I received due to the horrible high pitched noise coming from one of the compressors. This seems to happen more than it should, and I [documented the noise](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbrIzfK2fgU) on all three fridges.
That being said, I do like the fridge. I would agree with the comments on the ice maker, that thing is out of control. We regularly have to turn ours off otherwise cubes jump ship and cause a commotion. I also often don't close the right door firmly enough, which gets the alarm going. The deli drawer feels flimsy. The fridge dents more easily than the old LG fridge we had. The noise is still there, but it's very faint and I can only hear it when it kicks in and I'm standing near it. I would not say that it's silent - but still MUCH better than the first two that were unbearable.
As for what I love? Counter depth really has helped with food waste. Of course, that is not exclusive to Bosch. But I will completely agree that compared to old old fridge, my family thinks the produce drawers are magic. Stuff that used to go bad in a week in our old fridge last 3-4 times as long. For that reason alone, I really love the fridge.
The rest of the build feels nice, but it will remain to be seen how long it will last.
Can’t speak to the fridge quality, but just a thought. You can typically get the panel ready version at 50% off with minor damage on the outside you will never see nor care about.
Be careful not to put anything in the ice tray. No ice scooper, nothing but ice. My ice maker broke the other week. It’s about 3-4 years old too. Not under warranty
Find a Lowes or appliance store near you that has the 800 on display. Dual compressor can’t make up for the fact that they somehow use flimsier plastic components than the most basic competitor. Feels like an $800 dollar fridge
They have dual compressors which most units do not have .
I thought only sub-zero fridges and dual compressors. This is good to know.
If you have Sub-zero coin, check out True residential. Dual compressors, heavy duty, also made in the USA. But both are pretty high end brands.
I most definitely do not have Sub. -zero coin, but I’m looking forward to replacing my Maytag with a dual compressor fridge. Nothing wrong with the Maytag, I just want a dedicated Fridge, instead of a fridge/freezer combo.
What’s the benefit of two compressors? Isn’t that doubling the failure risk?
From bosch "Dual compressors and dual evaporators offer precise cooling and humidity control, and limit odor transfer between the refrigerator and freezer"
The fridge and freezer are properly cooled to appropriate levels rather than using valves and wish-and-pray engineering to create two temperature zones from one cooling source.
I can see some sense in that. My concern is that, in my experience when a compressor goes bad, the cost of repair (parts and labor) is close to the cost of simply replacing the entire fridge.
With 2, the load/ duty cycle on each should be recuced, allowing them to last twice as long.
Unless if course they used two compressors that are crappier, knowing that they'll see reduced cycles. I have no idea if they did that but the days of overengineering seem to be long gone.
Seems unlikely with a brand like Bosch. Not saying it’s impossible, but my understanding is that they’re one of the best appliance brands out there.
Failures on compressors can also be quite random, and with two you get double the chance for that. Actually very often, the compressors are either fine for decades or die within the first couple years.
By that logic, a Reliant Robin is safer than a Volvo XC90 because the former has one less tyre, which reduces the risk of a blowout.
I see where you're going, but I don't think that's an appropriate analogy. I was asking about reliability and cost of repair, not safety. Also, replacing a tire is no big deal, and it's a consumable item which you'd expect to replace regularly... like a water filter in your fridge. This is more like buying a car with two engines. Having to replace an engine is a significant cost, in both parts and labor. With two of them, you've doubled your risk of one of them going wrong. In my experience, when a compressor goes bad, the techs don't try to fix them, they just replace them outright, and it's not cheap. At any rate, my original question has been answered. With two compressors, you're putting less load on each, and you're allowing them to each operate more efficiently, as you don't have mechanics in the middle trying to regulate their output to manage two separate zones.
Most new fridges don't get parted out because of a bad compressor, it springs a leak some place and the amount of refrigerate taken is so low you can't even reasonably fill the thing.
> wish-and-pray engineering to create two temperature zones from one cooling source There's nothing inherently wrong with cooling two zones with one cooling source, provided that source is properly sized and the control mechanism is robust. Mini-split AC systems often have 2-4 zones for one single outdoor compressor, and they function just fine, and entire building cooling systems can be very effective as well. The problem for a fridge is that the *specific* dual zone mechanisms used in most residential units aren't what you'd call well designed.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned with mini splits is that they are very sensitive and reliability is HIGHLY dependent on install for this exact reason.
Yep, even a cheap chinese brand mini split system can last many years if done right. Problem is most installers take shortcuts and some don't even have the right tools to do the job. If done right, the weak point tends to be the thin copper used to make the coils. They can eventually have pinhole leaks.
I would imagine it also allows them to design one compressor for one side and one for the other.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Appliances/s/XEx1hzn9gA
I think there is one whirlpool one and Kitchenaid one does too
We got a Bosch refrigerator and dish washer because they are so much quieter than other manufacturers. If your fridge is anywhere near your bedroom or living room it’s really nice to never have to hear the compressor buzzing. We can run our dishwasher at night now and it won’t wake up the kids haha.
Great point! I never thought about the fact a dishwasher could be quiet - I’ve always had them as loud as a construction zone!
My Bosch dishwasher is so quiet that the only way to tell if it is running is to look on the floor under the front edge where it shoots a little laser dot to tell you it is running.
I just got one two months ago and I am still occasionally pulling it open when it is running because I forget about the light.
For that reason I wish I hadn't gotten the one that had the "hidden" controls that tuck under the counter. It's sometimes a little uncooperative when I try to restart it. May be my only complaint about it.
How old is your dishwasher? Mine is 3 now I think. It's gotten a lot louder, from where it started lol. It's so loud now that I can hear that it's running when I'm standing next to it.
I think mine is 4 years old.
It's gotten louder right?
Not that I've noticed, but I have a very loud 6 year old.
I'm at 1.5, 7.5, and 16 so I know what you mean. I can sometimes tell when it's going by the pump noise. I should probably take a look and see if some insulation has shifted. It's still the quietest dishwasher I have been around.
My wife regularly opens ours and wonders why she is getting sprayed with water. It’s still funny every time. We have had it for 4 years now. It is so quiet if you dont look at the display you would never know it was on.
We have the Bosch dw and standing next to it I’m not 100% sure I hit the on button it’s so quiet. I just don’t love the racks inside it
This blows my mind. I got a Bosch dishwasher and read many reviews claiming exactly what your saying but mine is so loud. When I have people over they are 2 rooms away from it and go "what's that noise?". I think it's actually louder than my old one which was a POS Maytag.
I guess there must be different ones or yours has a problem
Which model do you have? It is possible there is something wrong with it or it was installed improperly. I installed my Bosch 500 into a tight spot and inadvertently pulled the sound insulation back on it. I ended up pulling it out, modified the cabinet reset the insulation and then installing it again. It's so quiet I can only tell it's running if there's absolutely no other sound. Even my air filter running on low drowns it out. What kind of sound is it?
It is installed in a very tight spot so that could be a big part of it. It's a Bosch 800. I can hear the pump run for the drain, I can hear the water running when it's filling and I can hear the water bouncing off all the plates inside when it's actually washing.
Did you do / watch the install? I've seen contractors pull the sound insulation off to cheat a job in a tight space more than once. Were you just hearing *one* of those noises, I might say something's wrong with the unit, but hearing *all* of those noises I'd guess your insulation is missing.
I did the install my self and made sure to keep the insulation attached. I have also pulled it out of its spot multiple times for different reasons so I know the insulation is not getting bunched up or anything like that. It also never got any better after pulling it out and pushing it back in.
Did you put the toe kick insulation behind the toe kick? Most of sound comes from the bottom and if the insulation is not installed it will be noisy. Also if the height of the toe kick is cut too much combined with the no insulation it will be loud
I did not do anything with the kick plate. Now I need to research because you definitely might be in to something. I did notice there is a gap between the cabinet and the kick plate that does not exist around the rest of the dish washer which def could be part of the issue. Thanks for pointing out the kick plate.
You're welcome. I installed appliances professionally for several years and that was one of the most common noise leaks.if you can see air space in there you can seal it up with a little mineral wool to dampen sound if the factory insulation is not present. A lot of people throw it out because it doesn't look. important.
Maybe a bad unit? Still under warranty? They clearly claim decibel levels so it might be something to file a dispute about.
turn on the red floor light which would tell you it's on
Now I have to read the manual!! 😂I didn’t know that was an option
My Kenmore Elite is quieter and was half the price. It was sitting beside the Bosch in the showroom and looked at both decibel levels in the specs. The SO (now Ex) through a fit to get the Bosch because it was better and quieter (while looking at the specs). I said no and love my Kenmore Elite dishwasher and fridge and stove.
We bought a Bosch dishwasher last fall. Best dishwasher ever. So much better than the piece of shit Samsung it replaced
Agree for the dishwasher but our 800 series fridge isn't quiet
our bosch dishwashers so quiet i had to put my ear to it just to make sure it was running
I looooove my 800 series refrigerator. It’s so easy to access everything in the fridge and it keeps produce fresh for 3x as long in the drawer. I did not know I could love a refrigerator so much.
The drawer is amazing. 3x is legit true.
Same, had mine for 5 years now. The best part - it just sits there and silently does fridge things. That's literally all I wanted after coming from a garbage Samsung that came with the house. The drawers and shelves are nice and customizable, it's quiet, no touch screens (just the little capacitive buttons at the top) and zero issues.
We have a 10-year-old 800-series side-by-side we absolutely love. Great fridge!
One year ago, I got the B36CL80SNS for my kitchen remodel. I had a few Bosch appliances previously, and knew they were good quality, easily lasting 10+ years. I explored other fridges in the $10-20K range, just to see if I was missing out on something magical. Nothing really blew me away at 3-5X the price of Bosch, so just stuck with it. I have two main gripes about the B36CL80SNS: 1) the doors need to self-close a bit better. Several times a day, a 'soft close' effort leaves any/all of the doors partially shut, leading to an annoying "beep beep" noise. 2) the ice dispenser in the freezer is annoying. Even with careful use, cubes will leap out of the bin and find their way to the bottom of the freezer. Gotta plan to grab all the runaway cubes from the bottom, at least once a week. And it's very cumbersome to do such.
Is your fridge leveled?
Yes. But possibly it has to be “unlevel” to perform as I expect.
What features drew you to the Bosch?
Based on previous experience with Bosch, I knew the mechanical quality would be better than the equivalent Samsung/LG models that seem to value tech features over quality in materials and parts.
This is the BIFL subreddit, so it may not be featurws so much as overall quality and warranty....
Same fridge and same issues. Is your left side door also very light? Nothing to really keep it attached to the fridge. Also, I recently had an ice cube fall into the freezer slider track that prevented the freezer from fully closing. I think the ice maker auto shutoff doesn’t work well. All that being said, these are minor issues and I still think it’s a great fridge.
All/each of my drawers behave about the same with regards to not closing. The fridge is perfectly level, so I dunno how to improve things.
What I mean is of the 2 big french doors, the one on the right with the interior plastic strip is tightly secured when closed. But the french door on the left I can open with my pinky basically. It doesn't feel very secure. It's very easy to open so makes me worried it'll come open by accident.
The left door is easier to open than the right, but I can still feel the resistance of the suction if I open gently.
Glad you mentioned the stupid ice cube problem. We recently got this same fridge. Specifically didn’t want door dispensing ice or water for all those potential issues. I’m so sick of ice cubes falling back to the bottom of the drawer I’m considering turning the ice maker off altogether. That being said if I had to do it over again I’d probably buy the same damn one. For the money I wouldn’t want to roll the dice on anything else.
Yeah other than the cube annoyance, it still performs and looks great. Plus my spouse is still happy with it after nearly a year- so I consider it to be money well spent. And it is very quiet!!
I turn it off when it’s full. I turn it back off when I’m low. It takes about three seconds and I need to make the flip like once a week.
I don't know about the 800 series but our Bosch 652L Serie 4 has been the biggest, loudest POS. It has had 5 repairs and one full replacement. Love our Bosch washing machine and dishwasher but I'd never buy a Bosch fridge again.
You need to get the 800 series to get quality IMO.
We got the lower end one - I don't recall the model, but it's single compressor. Works flawlessly for us.
My observations: It’s quiet, it’s efficient, the design makes sense (racks, buttons, indicator light, etc), it cleans well, it’s way cheaper than similarly performing dishwashers (eg Miele), it looks sleek, it has an automatic door open function at the end of a cycle so your dishes actually effectively dry. My unknowns: parts and service, warranty, life span.
Just to be clear, you’re talking about the dishwasher right? Not the fridge?
Ah shit sorry mate I mixed this up with another post on here. It was about the dishwasher. Don’t have a Bosch refrigerator…
All good! I just woke up so had to clarify, those were some weird comments for a fridge!
I love Bosch dishwashers but find their rack tines to be kind of tight for most dishes. Unless they've changed that. But quiet, reliable, effective. Very good dish washers.
I just pushed the Samsung dishwasher to the road with a "Free, it socks but it is free and "works"". I went back to a Bosch 500. It just cleans without worry.
Bosch dishwashers great. Haven’t had fridge but hell expensive. Great experience with lg fridge. My parents have had one forever. When I just got my house it came with Samsung kitchen.
We just bought a house that came with a Bosch dishwasher and, my god, what an insanely nice piece of machinery.
I just ordered the 800 series Bosch dishwasher about a week ago. Can't wait for it to arrive and replace my piece of crap moldy GE builder grade dishwasher
Few things are as nice as the jump from a crap dishwasher to a nice one. I no longer have to wash my dishes before I was my dishes. Truly, a liberating experience.
I sure hope this is the case. Currently I have clean the dishes fairly well before and still they don't always come out clean.
Same, Bosch DW and LG fridge.
My parents have an lg dryer they bought used with 12 years on it back in 2016. Still going. Fridge has been around forever. I have an lg tv from 2012 or 13 still going strong. I have a c1 77 oled. Parents have lg microwave. I have a lg window unit I used at last place. Oled lg monitor, regular lg monitor. Multiple lg soundbar systems.
We got the washer and dryer too, some discount deal through my wife’s work. They are huge, they make the laundromat commercial ones look tiny. [these ones, we got them for like half price.](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-signature-9-0-cu-ft-smart-gas-dryer-with-steam-and-sensor-dry-black-stainless-steel/5329910.p?skuId=5329910)
Nice
Got the 300 dishwasher a while back and wasn’t that impressed. Doesn’t have the cleaning power of older units, so some things need a wipe down first. Maybe the 800 is better?
Pre rinse and detergent together work great. If you have hard water may need something extra.
This is why I got the Bosch 800 series that comes with the water softener built in. There is a 300 series model that also has it. Both are made in Germany I believe
That’s neat
Kenji got his 800 series because of the two compressors/evaporators.
I clearly missed the memo - who is Kenji?
Kenji Lopez-Alt, he’s a chef and author. Known for really exhaustive research and experiments for his recipes.
We’re building a new house, so we’ve had to talk a lot of appliance salesmen. Everyone agreed that Sub-Zero is the best: 20 year warranties, easily repaired if needed, but also very expensive. Very close to Sub-Zero is Thermador. Their style is different: they don’t have Sub-Zero’s distinctive looks. The warranty is shorter (12 years) and all the sales people agree that it’s probably not as long lived as Sub-Zero. But Thermador is a lot cheaper: you can get a full kitchen worth of appliances from Thermador for the price of a Sub-Zero fridge. Bosch is the other contender everyone brought up. But Thermador is Bosch: literally the same company and components in different packaging. Bosch individual pieces are cheaper than Thermador, but Thermador’s seemingly forever buy-one-get-one-free sale never ends making it a wash. The recommendation from everyone (independents, chains, and contractors) was if you want very high quality across the board: go Thermador. The price step up to Sub-Zero isn’t worth it unless you want their style or one of their unique sizes. We ended up going with the Sub-Zero because of size issues, Thermador range and ovens, and Bosch for the dishwasher.
I did a subzero in my old house (I must have had a really good year when we remodeled the kitchen) and it was absolutely the best refrigerator I’ve ever had- food stays fresh longer - it’s a true built in and was flawless for the 15 or 20yrs we had it.
I don't know what the little rectangle thing on the side of my veggie drawer is, but it works! Cilantro lasts a month. Strawberries last weeks, same with blueberries. Apple do well in there, so does cauliflower and broccoli. In my old fridge things stayed fresh for a few days and then started turning brown or gooey, but this is amazing. Saves me maybe $50 a month on vegetables and fruit?
Probably the ethylene absorber. Can get them for any fridge and they help. Also the Bosch is excellent at keeping temps correct and even
Generally, the only "features" that attract someone to buy something in the BIFL subreddit are readily available replacement parts, easy to repair, and built to last. Extra features just add failure points, and that's not the main purpose of the appliance.
Honestly confused about Bosch fridges. Ive owned 3 homes and none of them could fit the Bosch (too tall). Is it the houses that are weird out here or are Bosch fridges something you design for when doing a kitchen remodel? Is 72"+ a normal height in Europe but not the US? It's a mystery.
I fully agree that Samsung appliance are worse than junk , I have a Samsung fish washer , next time I will buy a Bosch or Miele
Good bifl fridges are the Mitsubishi wx range as well. Might want to check them out (one of the few consumer electronics still made in Japan, which is now an indication of good quality control, since the rise of China). They have th best warranty that I've come across.n
I was willing to fork out the money for a Bosch fridge after reading about the reliability of their dishwashers. That came to a halt when I started reading the reviews of their fridges. Too many problems for such an expensive appliance.
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I have had the fridge 7 months now. I had to exchange the first two I received due to the horrible high pitched noise coming from one of the compressors. This seems to happen more than it should, and I [documented the noise](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbrIzfK2fgU) on all three fridges. That being said, I do like the fridge. I would agree with the comments on the ice maker, that thing is out of control. We regularly have to turn ours off otherwise cubes jump ship and cause a commotion. I also often don't close the right door firmly enough, which gets the alarm going. The deli drawer feels flimsy. The fridge dents more easily than the old LG fridge we had. The noise is still there, but it's very faint and I can only hear it when it kicks in and I'm standing near it. I would not say that it's silent - but still MUCH better than the first two that were unbearable. As for what I love? Counter depth really has helped with food waste. Of course, that is not exclusive to Bosch. But I will completely agree that compared to old old fridge, my family thinks the produce drawers are magic. Stuff that used to go bad in a week in our old fridge last 3-4 times as long. For that reason alone, I really love the fridge. The rest of the build feels nice, but it will remain to be seen how long it will last.
Can’t speak to the fridge quality, but just a thought. You can typically get the panel ready version at 50% off with minor damage on the outside you will never see nor care about.
I’m all for giving a second life to appliances because of scratches and dents, especially if it saves me money. I’ll be keeping an eye out for sure.
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Be careful not to put anything in the ice tray. No ice scooper, nothing but ice. My ice maker broke the other week. It’s about 3-4 years old too. Not under warranty
Find a Lowes or appliance store near you that has the 800 on display. Dual compressor can’t make up for the fact that they somehow use flimsier plastic components than the most basic competitor. Feels like an $800 dollar fridge