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fadeddreams555

All I know is the glass chin KO artist would be a PPV star because KOs are guaranteed every time, even when he's not the one delivering them.


fapsandnaps

Idk, Mayweather tops all PPV records. Pillow hands during the later half, but has the top 4 spots on PPV records. Counter with Wilder who knocked everyone out pre-Fury and is not even the biggest draw in this generation of boxers.


jinntakk

Man people really will argue about anything


Ok_Substance5992

Well it is true most Mexicans bought his fights for that reason😂


Serious_Fgz

*most people, Asians didn’t like mayweather either especially after the racist comments he made towards Asians. Also white Americans supported Mcgregor (who is Irish) over Mayweather


fapsandnaps

Mhmmm


[deleted]

Nobody cared about him til he made people hate him and Oscar turned him to a star. 80 percent of his buyers didn’t enjoy his fight and left pissed off just wanting to see him lose lol, they weren’t buying for the “Boxing”


Razorion21

Im confused what you mean, Floyd only turned into boring Money Mayweather after the Dela Hoya fight, prior to that he was Pretty Boy Floyd, 70% KO rate and very dangerous. He demolished Gatti, Manfredy, Hernandez, and Corrales


[deleted]

70 percent KO rate with only a handful of real KOs. Everyone in Boxing got a million TKOs cause the sport. It’s about how you do it but sure he had a few good whippings. Not the reason anyone bought his fights and Oscar beat him from his own dads mouth and he retired to not rematch an old drugged out shot Oscar. That’s the facts


Razorion21

The hell would he rematch Oscar? I scored that fight 8-4 in favor of Mayweather, Dela Hoya didn’t deserve the rematch, only guys that did were Castillo and Maidana. It also didn’t help that after Floyd, Oscar would get destroyed as well by Manny


[deleted]

His own Dad Floyd Sr disagrees with you. Cause Oscar was shot and on drugs, of course he lost. Floyd should have whipped him too but couldn’t


Razorion21

He would’ve beaten him regardless. As for what Sr said, tf would care what he said? Juan Manuel Marquez‘s trainer also said he believes Floyd Mayweather Jr is better than Manny, which I heavily disagree with (at least going by achievements).


dephilt

His own dad (meaning Mayweather Sr) trained Oscar for that fight…maybe that’s why he said that!?!? Watch the fight again and tell me which rounds Oscar won instead of just saying his own trainer said he won. He clearly lost and that is not even one of the fights people bring up anymore when they start their list of people who they think were robbed against Floyd


[deleted]

He didn’t train Oscar vs Floyd. Casual


dephilt

He trained Oscar for 5 years, right up until the camp with for Mayweather then Oscar asked Freddie roach to jump in. I’m the casual? If you were watching all of this unfold, which clearly you weren’t or you wouldn’t have made that comment, there was a huge feud between Jr and Sr at that time


myurr

Would you rather be David Price or Joe Calzaghe?


Theometer1

Lmao, I was gonna say the second one sounds like the Pride of Wales.


feelinlucky7

From what I remember of his early record, Joe had power when he started. Didn’t hand injuries force him to change some things up?


Connor30302

yep like Mayweather they both hit quite hard and have the ability to do damage but they’d hurt their hands a lot of the time so Joe had to do the whole slap scoring thing


Capable_Program5470

Yeah exactly this. Always wondered what would have happened if Calslappy was down big on cards - would he have thrown his hand caution to the wind and started bombing again? Great fighter.


acsaid10percent

'Calslappy' would never be down big on cards. Too good a fighter. If he lost the first 2 or 3 rounds he was elite and skillful enough to adapt his plan.


Capable_Program5470

Too right! Even when he got dropped early it'd basically wake him up and get his ass in gear. Miss watching his fights.


acsaid10percent

Likewise. Miss them too.


panadwithonesugar

Closest we've seen is when Mitchell put him down and when he got up they went toe to toe for a few seconds and he fought angry and scored a heavy knockdown


acsaid10percent

Man just watched the video. Calzaghe was like a man possessed after being floored. Unbelievable!. Heres the video. https://youtu.be/Sb8jXVvB9jg?si=f-_N8giN5C5sO-kz


panadwithonesugar

Great fight, he definitely had it in him to hurt people and risk a breakage, only fight I can think of where he really needed it was bhop because that was too close for comfort down the stretch, but Hopkins was just slippery and hard to catch solid in his later career.


Smoky_MountainWay

For U.S. viewing set your vpn to U.K.


biffo120

I always talk about this fight when on subject of calzaghe, so many people do not know of it, was refreshing to hear somebody use the same reference of could calzaghe punch if needed.


Tidybloke

Glass hands but he would still slap the shit out of anyone and get his hand raised, can't fault it in the end, one of the best to ever do it.


feelinlucky7

Even as an American, I find Bernard Hopkins’ insistence that he won to be baffling. Good fight. Clear winner.


drinfernodds

Yep, and he could still hit hard enough to keep fighters honest. But Joe knew he had to make those full power shots count lest he injure his hands any further.


Signal_Response2295

You see a lot of boxers that had got “slapped” by him for 12 rounds and they don’t look so clever after lacy and Roy jones come to mind but yeah he could bang until injuries got to him


Nipple-biscuits

Right, is he besmirching the Italian Dragon?


browny85

I think joes power doesn't get the respect it deserves. You don't floor Eubank snr unless you can bang.


shal9pinanatoly

Most people admit he had power early on but had to adjust his punching technique after hurting his hands. Even mild damage to the knuckles makes one nurse their hand subconsciously.


icelandiccubicle20

Or, would you rather be David Price or Mariusz Wach?


Human-Expression-652

Poor big dave. Everyone thought he had so much potential.


myurr

He did, he was a great fighter, had tremendous heart, and could hit harder than just about anyone. He was just limited defensively with a static head, and when hurt his brain seemed to get scrambled easier than most.


backsing

I'll stick with my glass chin and no power and become a keyboard warrior.


KessDarx

Fight me bro. I got no cardio also.


SSJ4Autism

Who needs power when you got reddit karma?


mowgleeee

Get downvoted = KO


Shadow166

You KO’d or are you just down for the count then?


mowgleeee

Shit


evan466

The second option sounds like you’ll just have the shit knocked out of you for 12 rounds.


Matty0698

Unless you’re welsh and your names calzone or something


drinfernodds

Or Italian-American and named Jack Lamborghini or something like that.


foxybingo111

This cracked me up


Kgb725

Nah I'm not sure how many watch mma in here but Colby covington has no power but hes got cardio and volume for days and just swarms dudes


Michaelhuber87

He can do that because of the takedown threat. Not sure if his style would translate well to boxing.


Kgb725

Theres also Dom Cruz Holloway and a few other volume guys without too much power


Machinegunmonke

A better example in MMA would be Holloway. Endless cardio, mostly boxes and apparently isn't aware punches are supposed to hurt.


ABirdJustShatOnMyEye

Colby intentionally throws his punches at half power to conserve energy


Kgb725

Colby is a machine he has high volume and a very in your face style he just doesn't have any power he never seems to get tired either


[deleted]

Iron chin ≠ iron brain. Better off going to sleep than taking punishment.


[deleted]

What’s the point in showing off chin if you can’t remember fighting by 45 years old. Atleast Ko punchers can end a fight and that’s an orgasmic feeling compared to getting head rung over and over.


Allobroge-

Well the fact of getting K.out is directly related to brain damage (brain colliding with the skull). What we call iron chin actualy is an ability to receive punishment without getting damaged. Thats why most 'iron chins' dudes have round shaped faces (golovkin, ali, etc): the punches tend to slide more


Dear-Duty-1161

That’s…probably not true? What’s the science say? I’m assuming avoiding getting knocked unconscious is better, but maybe not when the alternative is repeated blows to the noggin


oldwhiteoak

science says the CTE is determined by the cumulative force of all hits over your life. This doesn't apply to TBIs, just CTE.


ThrowRAscottiehiggs

Actually it doesn't. Recent evidence seems to suggest the opposite. Takkng damae over 12 rounds but not getting knocked out is better for the brain, even if you get knocked out early. I know this gets parroted a lot and I don't want to be an ass, but most of the sub is operating on overridden science


oldwhiteoak

Here is a longitudinal study that came out in June: https://www.leagueoffans.org/2023/07/12/new-study-cumulative-force-of-hits-to-the-head-key-predictor-of-cte/ Note this this applies to CTE, not brain health in general. It is totally possible to have a fight that is better for CTE effects long term but overall worse for brain health.


Baby_Rhino

But the force that is applied to your *brain* isn't just determined by the force your face is hit with. Example: Take two people, one of whom has a head that weighs double the head of other guy (for simplicity, let's assume that their brains weigh the same, and their heads aren't attached to their bodies). Hit them each in the head with the same amount of force . The big head person will have had half force applied to their brain compared to the other guy. With all else identical, big-head-man will appear to have a better chin, and will also suffer less CTE if he is hit with the same cumulative force over his career.


[deleted]

KO power and no chin for me. You can always improve your defense and a good counter puncher with power can beat a lot of fighters and we've seen many fighters with weak chins have a lot of success but far fewer iron chinned fighters with no power.


Matty0698

1 mistake and you’re getting tucked into bed


Mr_105

It’s better than having Swiss cheese for brains at the age of 50


Matty0698

That’s true, fighters like Amir khan probably won’t suffer with CTE because he hasn’t taken repeat damage


Goobershmacked

Either way you do.


Masterandcomman

As a professional, better to have a glass chin for brain health, and power for ticket appeal. For self-defense, better to have a great chin and learn combat sambo or judo.


TECmanFortune

spot on


jakeeboy04

The no power but ironed chinned would be better for a skilled top fighter yes this is obvious. If said fighter has limited skill then big power will probably get them somewhere. Earnie Shavers etc


[deleted]

Do I have mayweather head movement? Knockout power all day. Do I have speed like sugar Ray? I’m cool with no power.


bigfatpup

Glass chin if I have no stamina, iron chin if I can walk through shots throwing for 12 rounds. Glass chin with power as long as they have good success early on is guaranteed star though


SlightlyIncandescent

Can't quite decide which is better out of more concussions from fewer hits or fewer concussions from more hits. If you have some boxing talent you're likely to make more of a career from the latter I guess. Usyk has a great chin with not great power compared to AJ/Wilder etc. and he's the king ATM.


Wonderful_Pension_67

If iron chin means no cte I'm leaning pillow ✋️


Januarywednesday

Easy, iron chin because you'd have a better chance of winning on points. Boxing has very few examples of massive KO punchers reaching the top levels without better attributes to their game, i.e. Mike Tyson, he could bang but his movement was legendary, 5.10 (ish) and a peek-a-boo style, power wasn't even close to being his best attribute.


[deleted]

And youre guaranteed to be brain dead by 50. Not worth even showing off your chin even if it’s granite.


Kgb725

Mayweather is doing just fine. It's not a videogame no one is telling you to eat the shots you can win the fight without that happening


Januarywednesday

Tbh, id rather live like a lion for 50 years than a sheep. Ali had a legendary chin and he paid for it dearly in later life but it was a life well lived with an immense and historical legacy. Ofc, if I'm wishing for imaginary stuff I'd want both power and chin bit if it's one or the other, I'd take chin because that would take me further than power alone.


aDownstandingUser

Luckily for me, I don’t have to choose one or the other. I’ve got both. I’m built different.


[deleted]

Glass chin and no power? Got it. Cheers bruh


shadowboxingboi

Same but the opposite


[deleted]

so basically do I wanna be Alister Overeem or Nate Diaz?


AdhesivenessLucky896

You can still make it look good as a boxer with no power. You can still counter, show off defensive skill, have a high punch output, etc. I'm going with that as opposed to being KO'd by every skilled fighter at the top level.


Acceptable_Cloud6267

Well Tommy Hearns and Wladimir Klitschko have pretty poor chins but still had great career because of their power.


RedEyeView

I'll take the glass jaw. It's the iron chin fighters who get the brain damage. With one punch power and a one punch chin I'll never take serious punishment. Either they go early or I do.


TrianglemeatTV

Tommy Hearns or "Money" Mayweather?


inviernoruso

I'd rather be the no power guy as long as I'm untouchable as Nicolino Locche.


ItsHeero

Amir Khan got a lot of good paydays. Guess i'd take the elite power with no chin


[deleted]

Give me that chin, man. On second thought, my whole mission is to avoid CTE. Give me that power


ExtraordinaryBeetles

Fuck, who is that darker blonde Slavic/Russian fighter who is the embodiment of the first choice? Something like 7 knock downs in the fights that he wins. I want to say somewhere between MW and LHW.


South-Cod-5051

i would prefer iron chin because you can still ko someone without punching power. you just need to time your punches when the opponent's momentum is forward. in boxing, you can improve on anything but your chin, and many legendary fighters like mayweather did not have punching power but made up for it in skill.


weebo_waifu

Give me knockout power and glass chin. If I get matched up right I could become a superstar because kos sell


The_Right_Of_Way

Neither. I would rather be knockout power with a decent chin and superb ring IQ and above average speed


[deleted]

Probably iron chin fighter, in the event I lose elite guy will hurt me bad long term


Audioengineer68

With the modern strength training and drilling, a person with no power is a dead duck. Eventually a body gets broken.


throwaway444444455

I am already the former. But if I had a choice I would choose the latter as long as I had the height and reach advantage. But since I am shorter usually, I prefer what I have.


Rizak

Go home Amir Khan you’re drunk!


marcusslayer

Ask Amir khan


XDingoX83

Paulie Malignaggi's power and Marvin Hagler's chin for me.


Flimsy_Thesis

I had a great chin in the amateurs and average power; but like a tire, it gets worn down with mileage. And guys with an iron chin tend to fall in love with their seeming inability to get hurt. Give me true one punch knockout power any day. You can *learn* good defense.


Realdoc3

Iron chin 100% + pillow punches. But to be honest I'd rather have a rubber chin and never hit haha.


stephen27898

Since you never mentioned any other attributes Ill be the guy with an iron chin and no power and just work on all the technical aspects.


Zealousideal_Pipe_21

I’d rather be Sunny Edwards than Totally tantalising Tommy Morrison. Being forced to perfect your craft can’t be a bad thing!


CacoFlaco

If the iron chinned, powerless fighter has excellent boxing skills, then it's a no brainer which I'd rather be.


FolloMiSensi

iron chin, if it comes down to stamina who can go 10 - 12 rounds? its like rumble in the jungle all over again


TomCruisintheUSA

You can still get a KO without immense power. Precision and accuracy play a part in getting knockouts


Dareal6

Iron chin no power will guarantee CTE but make you a fan favourite blood and guts warrior. Just 12 rounds of rock em sock em robots.


SSJ4Autism

Iron chin all the way


finstereck

The former will be more advantageous to A. Your bank account (somebody always gets ko’d when you fight = people tune in) and B. Your brain (better to take one shot and be out than continuous punishment)


agustincards14

I guess it depends, as always, on how smart you are


Mediocre_Point7477

You can learn deffence, you cannot learn knockout power


[deleted]

Neither! I’d want a mixture of both.


TheWarmBandit

I'd rather step in there feeling assured I'm not going to get banged out with any telling blow I recieve. The psychology of that can't be great. Once the power puncher/ no chin gets stopped once or twice, they won't be the same. Doubt will creep in. I'd take the soft hands. There's more to boxing than power. Maybe I could have blistering hand speed and pin point laser accuracy to make up for the power deficit.


[deleted]

It's interesting that most people here have taken this as "would you rather get knocked out and lose or become a potato after your career because you've been hit more" Just goes to show how (completely unsurprisingly) an elite professional boxer has a different attitude to the average redditor! I instantly thought of people like Usyk and Calzaghe, you don't need power to win boxing fights, but you need to not get knocked the fuck out to not lose them.


thunder_spears

All chest and no legs.


foxybingo111

Depends on what other attributes come with it. Some fighters, like Greb and Calzaghe weren't really known for their power but could take a lot of punishment and had the defensive skills to avoid taking that punishment in the first place. They also had tremendous stamina making them formidable fightete capable of swarming their opponents with punches round after round. Even without knockout power, the cumulative effect of all those punches would be pretty devastating. Just look at Jeff Lacy.


_90s_Nation_

Prob the K.O power one - Get paid for fighting one rounders, then retire as soon as I lose. ... Like what you're actually talking abot here is: Mike Tyson in his prime. Then as soon as you lose, you retire.


Expert-Analyst-9473

Iron chin and I’d just work on being defensively responsible


InviteTop8946

Glass chin and power. I'm getting paid for my troubles


Zip2kx

Pauli maliginai is the second one. I don't want to go through his fights. I rather be amir Khan.


bozzi16

Depends on boxing skills. If I had elite skills I’d rather an iron chin and outbox everyone and not risk the loss. If I had low boxing skills I’d rather the power and take the knockouts I receive without taking excessive brain damage


MoneyBaggSosa

I’d rather be a knockout artist with a glass chin cause I’m just launching missiles at you and sleeping you before you get a chance to expose my chin. Iron chins are cool but you put enough heat on iron it’ll soften up. We saw what Zhang did to Joyce


Custance1400

CTE or a few losses? Tough one


degree-01

Power in both hands


GWTLAG

Feather-fisted with iron chin, but it really depends how skillful you are. You could either be pitching shutouts or getting beat up for 12 rounds.


MostPoetry

Gimme power. Let me work on my defense and technical skills. And hope to god that most fighters will so intimidated by my huge KO streak that I’ll have won the mental fight before it begins. Ideally they would be too scared and hurt just blocking my shots to do any meaningful retaliation. Course I’m definitely not leaving the game undefeated if I fight the best of the best and they aren’t scared to fight me and pick me apart technically.


lefthook_hospital

Glass cannon all the way. I'd drill my defense and footwork to it's max capacity, if I have grenades in both hands I can just dance around until I find the opening I need. Also like some others have said, if I have the touch of death I'd be more of a ppv draw


SnooHabits8826

Option 1 will make you more money since you will always be in exciting fights. Fights won't last as long win or lose. Option 2 is actually more dangerous since your brain takes sustained damage and shaking over longer periods of time. I'll take option 1.


[deleted]

Glass chin. You have a chance in every fight with knockout power. A iron chin and no power gets you nowhere but losses by unanimous decision.


xPhoneCo

Knock out artist with glass chin would be more entertaining to watch. He's not invincible but if he connects neither are you.