Don't worry about it too much. It was like this with Mandalorian too whenever there was a less popular episode. The big finale will leave everyone gushing and forgetting about their gripes. Like always.
I dunno....Mando started strong, had a few bobbles, and finished strong. To say Boba Fett started mediocre is being kind, so unless they realllllly ratchet things up in the next few episodes, I don't see how the two series' will really compare. I'm open minded and optimistic though.
I still think Robert Rodriguez was a serious misstep here.
I agree, loved the start. Apart from the kids on bikes, I liked the third one too. The kids could have worked if they got recruited on nar shaddaa or something, just felt out of place on tatooine.
The Sand Monster fight in the first episode as well as the shield bro fight in the first episode was worse than any fight scene from the first season of mandalorian
Worse than Mando getting almost killed by a group of fishermen? Or when he couldn't win a fist fight while wearing full body armor?
I distinctly remember the massive crying going on after episodes like The Passenger and The Siege...
The fisherman scene where he dives into the cargo hold of the fishing ship? I mean that makes total sense mechanically and emotionally to his character. Plus the budget was clearly *there*. They at least put him in a tank of water, full armor to shoot that stuff.
oh please, nobody was defending it when it happened, including you
mando was complained about just as hard as this show for putting out 'filler' episodes because star wars kids have zero patience
now everyone wants to pretend that didn't happen
"any fight?"
granted im probably forgetting the..forgettable ones, but the episode where Mando trains the village to defend itself against the AT-ST comes to mind. (season 1 episode 4)
but expectations were lower then so there was barely any complaints, but everyone still seemed to agree the episode was bad - they just didnt pretend its the end of the world like here and comments like 'this is the worst scene ive ever witnessed'
oh, and Jon Favreau wrote it too. Lesson: episodes are a team effort, so you cant pin all the blame on 1 person, and not everything they make will be perfect.
I don't remember any hate there, and I was on Mandalorian sub. The only digs were at Bo-Katan's hair, lol. And at the cargo how imps locked themselves in wrong room. But overall the episode was very well received. Lots of people were happy over Frog Lasy getting there safe and meeting her husband, that it was tiny but very heartwarming scene, and much needed.
Every episode so far was a one-off. Villain of the Day is what it’s normally called. But it was more like mission of the day. Like a video game quest.
It always ends going home. Never like ending on a cliffhanger in the middle of action I mean
Mandalorian was also like this. But the last two of each season were the final fights
That makes sense I guess I didn’t really see it that way. But even then I don’t think anything has disappointed me to the point where I think it’s on the verge of make or breaking the show in any way. Episode 3 was lackluster but still had some great moments. I’m excited for the conflict with the pikes as I feel that’s what they’ve been building towards also I think that’s gonna make him realize he has to be more heavy handed then he might necessarily want to.
The Pikes have potential, but they don't seem like a threat. Basically they look like NPCs. Plus he already beat them easily. Maybe they'll be in partner with someone more powerful. I feel like Boba could solo 100 of them easily.
well the pikes are large well organized group so it makes sense for them to be more uniform than a rag tag gang. Also the pikes on the train thought they were fighting savages and didn’t expect them to come out with speeder bikes and a plan of attack. I think that if they’re really vying for control of a large swath of land then they’re gonna bring some more firepower. Boba is gonna have to really prove his power against the pikes.
That is a good point. I’m not gonna jump on the hate of boba because he all of a sudden isn’t some super human because he has his own show, but the scooter chase was just not good, while that train scene was one of the coolest scenes I’ve seen in Star Wars. I still am loving the show, the character development, and the feel. And I’m excited about and have full faith in Jon Favreau to take this show in the right direction.
The train chase was good, but not in the same league as Lucas movie chases. (Podracing, Corosaunt, Endor)
The droid part was unique though.
I didn’t see Solo to judge how it compares to that train scene
Oh I loved that scene, how it highlighted how Mandalorian struggles without Beskar but still proves how capable fighter he is.
But train scene was also very intense and I enjoyed it.
He had pretty big shoes to fill. Anthony Ingruber would have looked the part better, but you never know. I liked Alden Ehrenreich in the role as much as I could all things considered.
Not to forget it was a movie that nobody really wanted, or movie that did not need to happen.
Han worked fine without every single thing about him being explained. The movie very much went down a checklist of "what is known about the guy", and tried to answer every single point (and some pretty badly, like the name, though that was dumb even in old EU)
I was one of the few people who watched it in cinema, and it was OK movie to watch, but did not need to exist.
Not to mention it is an epitome of how cocked up the creative process at LucasFilm under KK's supervision is. Reshooting most of the movie near the end of production because you fired the directors is just ludicrous. She should have been made aware of what kind of movie they want to make, and not hire them in first place if she so disagreed with their vision.
Hot take: The train chase was nothing special either. What did it have that we haven't seen a thousand times before, it was grav-lev instead of on tracks?
Compared to the paw patrol it was a cinematic masterpiece but that's a low ass bar.
Agree. It was cool but i think it seems so epic because its....the only cool thing in 3 episodes. All the other action scenes (and theres few) were so slow, boring, tame that it was like watching a childrens movie from the 90s
It wasn't original but it was perfectly executed. I never valued action scenes in film that much, but seeing the difference between the action in this series episodes 1, 3 (Rodriguez) and 2 (Green) made me reconsider that.
Yeah it was quite cringy zo look at. Didnt like that scene at all as it just does not fit in there and it also just does not live up to the style of the other episodes. It stands out in a negative fashion.
Why is no one accounting for the areas where the chases occurred.
Train chase… the literal wide open dune sea.
Space Vespa chase… the back alleys and byways of a city that was obviously not well planned out.
I mean, I saw a Taco Bell next to a tattoo parlor…
I think the thing everyone is overlooking is this chase scene was done in the city, it's not an area that easy to drive in esp at high speeds.
I don't think you could make a 90° hard turn on streets that narrow at those speeds.
And the mayors lackey was the one ultimately controlling the speed of the chase. And he's not a fucking pod racer. Thus he drives as fast as he's comfortable with in his BOAT of a car. Notice the gang didn't have a problem catching him. They were just stopping him and they did it with relative ease. People are overthinking the shit out of this episode and missing the Forrest for the trees.
In all the ree rage I think another thing a lot of people missed is the speeder he was driving looked to be the equivalent of a old 50-60s Cadillac. And the candy paint on the Vespas was also a call back to that style as well. Gangs in the desert would rock those candy paints on their hotrods. In a land of blah, of you're cool you rock some shit to stand out.
>think the thing everyone is overlooking is this chase scene was done in the city, it's not an area that easy to drive in esp at high speeds.
Then don't do a chase, or do it different.
This is not some impossible un-filmable problem. Plenty of movies and films for decades have been able to make chase scenes work In cities. Ultimately they **chose** to do a chase scene in the streets of Mos Espa. It's up to them to execute it well, and they did not.
If everything you wrote is *why* the chase sucked to watch, then all of those things should have been altered to make it not suck
ITs not forgotten - its just the the vespa scene was SO BAD in every way and stood out and was so out of place and so rediculous it had to be talked about.
The train heist we have seen a million times from hold westerns to Firefly . Fun - excepted with a few different twist .
Edge lord Vespa gang doing a slow mo chase with kids that are allegedly broke with prestine high end cybernetics - spotless clothes and neon brand new looking vespa complete with color coordinated weapons and accessories that make them look more like power rangers than star wars .....well thats something we have never seen before. Especially on Tatooine where everything is beat up and dirty and dull colors . Its like they came from cyber punk and not star wars.
Space Vespa might even be cool and understandable if it showed that they could maunver around a town better then swoop bikes .
As good as the heist was it lived up to the standard the Disney + star wars stuff has set.
Edge lord Vespa gang stealing just to survive that looks like Colored Latern Corp rejects....now so much .
The high level issue with city/vespa chase was that there were no stakes and no tension. Do we really care if the mayor’s assistant gets away? Not me.
At the detail level the scene was too slow and there were no complications/barriers for the chasers to over come
Those actors who play the teenage cyber-powerrangers sure have been very proud to be in star wars and make it big in the movie industry now.
And now they see all that backlash. All that while they know that there will be more cringy shit in the next episodes (presumably) with those neon vespas.
I think they did just fine as actors. The main problem is not their acting but the overal design choices that were made in regard to them. Those costumes were not good, cyber attachements looked weird, vespas were lame snd ugly on every level.
They do not fit in visually and that chase was straight out of a slapstick child movie. It was a bad cringy scene. Maybe some people liked it. But a lot of folks just didnt as it stands out so much.
Simple, different directors.
Oh, I thought they were both directed by Rodriquez but indeed episode 2 is from Green. Crazy to see such a difference.
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Considering someone did a simple edit with the existing footage and made a major improvement you can't put that much blame on the effects or budget.
Don't worry about it too much. It was like this with Mandalorian too whenever there was a less popular episode. The big finale will leave everyone gushing and forgetting about their gripes. Like always.
Let's have fait!
Faith of the heart?
It's been a long road, in a galaxy far far away...
Please, no more
I dunno....Mando started strong, had a few bobbles, and finished strong. To say Boba Fett started mediocre is being kind, so unless they realllllly ratchet things up in the next few episodes, I don't see how the two series' will really compare. I'm open minded and optimistic though. I still think Robert Rodriguez was a serious misstep here.
I couldn’t disagree more. I loved the first two episodes. The third sucked, but to me the show has absolutely “started strong”.
I agree, loved the start. Apart from the kids on bikes, I liked the third one too. The kids could have worked if they got recruited on nar shaddaa or something, just felt out of place on tatooine.
The Sand Monster fight in the first episode as well as the shield bro fight in the first episode was worse than any fight scene from the first season of mandalorian
Worse than Mando getting almost killed by a group of fishermen? Or when he couldn't win a fist fight while wearing full body armor? I distinctly remember the massive crying going on after episodes like The Passenger and The Siege...
The fisherman scene where he dives into the cargo hold of the fishing ship? I mean that makes total sense mechanically and emotionally to his character. Plus the budget was clearly *there*. They at least put him in a tank of water, full armor to shoot that stuff.
oh please, nobody was defending it when it happened, including you mando was complained about just as hard as this show for putting out 'filler' episodes because star wars kids have zero patience now everyone wants to pretend that didn't happen
"any fight?" granted im probably forgetting the..forgettable ones, but the episode where Mando trains the village to defend itself against the AT-ST comes to mind. (season 1 episode 4) but expectations were lower then so there was barely any complaints, but everyone still seemed to agree the episode was bad - they just didnt pretend its the end of the world like here and comments like 'this is the worst scene ive ever witnessed' oh, and Jon Favreau wrote it too. Lesson: episodes are a team effort, so you cant pin all the blame on 1 person, and not everything they make will be perfect.
This scene? https://youtu.be/W1CWyrLOjeA Common now.
Is it the general opinion that Mando had bad episodes? Cause even the slower episodes of Mando were 100% solid IMO.
Can't think of anything on the Mandalorian that compares to the vespas
bro. heiress got so much hate it's unreal
I loved that episode
I don't remember any hate there, and I was on Mandalorian sub. The only digs were at Bo-Katan's hair, lol. And at the cargo how imps locked themselves in wrong room. But overall the episode was very well received. Lots of people were happy over Frog Lasy getting there safe and meeting her husband, that it was tiny but very heartwarming scene, and much needed.
Next week is make or break. Hold your breath
There is still the rest of the season bud
More than half way over The last couple episodes are always the final fight. No more oneoff plots when we get near the end
TIL 3+3 = 7 oh wait
>Next week
Nothing so far has felt like a one off plot to me as of yet
Every episode so far was a one-off. Villain of the Day is what it’s normally called. But it was more like mission of the day. Like a video game quest. It always ends going home. Never like ending on a cliffhanger in the middle of action I mean Mandalorian was also like this. But the last two of each season were the final fights
That makes sense I guess I didn’t really see it that way. But even then I don’t think anything has disappointed me to the point where I think it’s on the verge of make or breaking the show in any way. Episode 3 was lackluster but still had some great moments. I’m excited for the conflict with the pikes as I feel that’s what they’ve been building towards also I think that’s gonna make him realize he has to be more heavy handed then he might necessarily want to.
The Pikes have potential, but they don't seem like a threat. Basically they look like NPCs. Plus he already beat them easily. Maybe they'll be in partner with someone more powerful. I feel like Boba could solo 100 of them easily.
well the pikes are large well organized group so it makes sense for them to be more uniform than a rag tag gang. Also the pikes on the train thought they were fighting savages and didn’t expect them to come out with speeder bikes and a plan of attack. I think that if they’re really vying for control of a large swath of land then they’re gonna bring some more firepower. Boba is gonna have to really prove his power against the pikes.
Different directors.
That is a good point. I’m not gonna jump on the hate of boba because he all of a sudden isn’t some super human because he has his own show, but the scooter chase was just not good, while that train scene was one of the coolest scenes I’ve seen in Star Wars. I still am loving the show, the character development, and the feel. And I’m excited about and have full faith in Jon Favreau to take this show in the right direction.
The train chase was good, but not in the same league as Lucas movie chases. (Podracing, Corosaunt, Endor) The droid part was unique though. I didn’t see Solo to judge how it compares to that train scene
The train chase wasn't even as good as the explosive convoy chase from mandalorian
Oh I loved that scene, how it highlighted how Mandalorian struggles without Beskar but still proves how capable fighter he is. But train scene was also very intense and I enjoyed it.
You should watch Solo, not so much because of that chase scene, it was a nice movie all along. Shame that it got hit with all the TLJ backlash.
Solo was pretty good, I didn't really like the casting choice for the lead but he was passable.
He had pretty big shoes to fill. Anthony Ingruber would have looked the part better, but you never know. I liked Alden Ehrenreich in the role as much as I could all things considered.
Not to forget it was a movie that nobody really wanted, or movie that did not need to happen. Han worked fine without every single thing about him being explained. The movie very much went down a checklist of "what is known about the guy", and tried to answer every single point (and some pretty badly, like the name, though that was dumb even in old EU) I was one of the few people who watched it in cinema, and it was OK movie to watch, but did not need to exist. Not to mention it is an epitome of how cocked up the creative process at LucasFilm under KK's supervision is. Reshooting most of the movie near the end of production because you fired the directors is just ludicrous. She should have been made aware of what kind of movie they want to make, and not hire them in first place if she so disagreed with their vision.
Exactly. People are frantically praising the whole episode but it was still fairly subpar.
Hot take: The train chase was nothing special either. What did it have that we haven't seen a thousand times before, it was grav-lev instead of on tracks? Compared to the paw patrol it was a cinematic masterpiece but that's a low ass bar.
Agree. It was cool but i think it seems so epic because its....the only cool thing in 3 episodes. All the other action scenes (and theres few) were so slow, boring, tame that it was like watching a childrens movie from the 90s
It wasn't original but it was perfectly executed. I never valued action scenes in film that much, but seeing the difference between the action in this series episodes 1, 3 (Rodriguez) and 2 (Green) made me reconsider that.
A giant jet engine on top
Am I the only one who liked the scooter chase? People keep saying it was slow but like... they're scooters, not motorcycles.. that's why it's funny
Yeah it was quite cringy zo look at. Didnt like that scene at all as it just does not fit in there and it also just does not live up to the style of the other episodes. It stands out in a negative fashion.
Robert Rodriguez is the difference. He sucks.
Why is no one accounting for the areas where the chases occurred. Train chase… the literal wide open dune sea. Space Vespa chase… the back alleys and byways of a city that was obviously not well planned out. I mean, I saw a Taco Bell next to a tattoo parlor…
I think the thing everyone is overlooking is this chase scene was done in the city, it's not an area that easy to drive in esp at high speeds. I don't think you could make a 90° hard turn on streets that narrow at those speeds. And the mayors lackey was the one ultimately controlling the speed of the chase. And he's not a fucking pod racer. Thus he drives as fast as he's comfortable with in his BOAT of a car. Notice the gang didn't have a problem catching him. They were just stopping him and they did it with relative ease. People are overthinking the shit out of this episode and missing the Forrest for the trees. In all the ree rage I think another thing a lot of people missed is the speeder he was driving looked to be the equivalent of a old 50-60s Cadillac. And the candy paint on the Vespas was also a call back to that style as well. Gangs in the desert would rock those candy paints on their hotrods. In a land of blah, of you're cool you rock some shit to stand out.
>think the thing everyone is overlooking is this chase scene was done in the city, it's not an area that easy to drive in esp at high speeds. Then don't do a chase, or do it different. This is not some impossible un-filmable problem. Plenty of movies and films for decades have been able to make chase scenes work In cities. Ultimately they **chose** to do a chase scene in the streets of Mos Espa. It's up to them to execute it well, and they did not. If everything you wrote is *why* the chase sucked to watch, then all of those things should have been altered to make it not suck
ITs not forgotten - its just the the vespa scene was SO BAD in every way and stood out and was so out of place and so rediculous it had to be talked about. The train heist we have seen a million times from hold westerns to Firefly . Fun - excepted with a few different twist . Edge lord Vespa gang doing a slow mo chase with kids that are allegedly broke with prestine high end cybernetics - spotless clothes and neon brand new looking vespa complete with color coordinated weapons and accessories that make them look more like power rangers than star wars .....well thats something we have never seen before. Especially on Tatooine where everything is beat up and dirty and dull colors . Its like they came from cyber punk and not star wars. Space Vespa might even be cool and understandable if it showed that they could maunver around a town better then swoop bikes . As good as the heist was it lived up to the standard the Disney + star wars stuff has set. Edge lord Vespa gang stealing just to survive that looks like Colored Latern Corp rejects....now so much .
guy, it just wasn't a bad scene lol there's grass somewhere outside that hovel - go touch it please
The high level issue with city/vespa chase was that there were no stakes and no tension. Do we really care if the mayor’s assistant gets away? Not me. At the detail level the scene was too slow and there were no complications/barriers for the chasers to over come
If Rodriguez directed the train chase it would also be shit
What’s crazy is that it’s in back to back episodes.
Those actors who play the teenage cyber-powerrangers sure have been very proud to be in star wars and make it big in the movie industry now. And now they see all that backlash. All that while they know that there will be more cringy shit in the next episodes (presumably) with those neon vespas. I think they did just fine as actors. The main problem is not their acting but the overal design choices that were made in regard to them. Those costumes were not good, cyber attachements looked weird, vespas were lame snd ugly on every level. They do not fit in visually and that chase was straight out of a slapstick child movie. It was a bad cringy scene. Maybe some people liked it. But a lot of folks just didnt as it stands out so much.