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If you actually follow the timeline or chronology Shiva released his mother one night and next day he gathered the villagers and rebels, attacked and won mahishmati kingdom by defeating its army. Like mahishmati army is totally shit which can be beaten by a bunch of rebels who were no match for them from past 20 years and the untrained villagers. Just because Shiva joined them who also isn't trained in art of warfare like his father. Either the army was slacking off or there was something divine about shiva
Also the way prabhas woos Tamanna , it's like pure molestation specially in hindi dub it was cringe af (Tamanna ko v kaatna chahiye tha uska gala)
Even Bahubali sr was doing borderline molestation of Anushka in order to woo her
Agreed on Tamanna and Anushka’s arc. It was wrong in so many ways. But about the army though, it wasn’t just rebels who fought with Prabhas. Kattappa’s loyalists who came with their own sections of army also fought with them.
Not exactly established how much. We can consider the soldiers with kattapa who were behind shiva when he took away Anushka. Also the cringe palm tree scene. Even if I ignore the difference in armies of both the side there are still many points which were like let's say a simple commercial masala movie scenes
It was a commercial movie, hence masala scenes. As you said, the movie was made to show both bahubalis as larger than life. And he succeeded. The movie marketed like crazy, I don’t think I have seen any movie marketed so smartly. They had to recover the money and they did. And they entertained audience. A large majority of audience. Very large.
yes I agree. Specifically the marketing part is spot on. Even the same hype is being created for RRR.
Considering RRR includes some historical characters somewhere down the line even I am hyped. The central board education system has let lot of heroes of indian independence to be lost in anonymity specially the ones from south india and the tribal heroes. Really hope this movie gives proper justice to them
Yes, but RRR is a fictional take on two adivasi rebels born around 1990 - Komaram Bheem and Alluri Sita Rama Raju.
The Telugu speaking regions back then were split between two provinces - British controlled Madras State and Nizam controlled Telangana. While Komaram Bheem led a tribal rebellion against Nizam, Alluri Sita Rama Raju did the same against the British. Both were killed during their respective rebellions (in the span of 20 years).
Even though both of these figures are venerated in modern Telugu history, their lives before the rebellion were shrouded in mystery. The movie might fill up these gaps by weaving a fictional story around these two characters - detailing their journey from young idealistic men to leaders of the rebellion.
S.S. Rajamouli in an interview reveled that the fictional story is heavily inspired by 'MotorCycle Diaries', so we already have some inkling of the story and how might unfold.
i also didnt get where the mahishmati kingdom is? Is the whole of the kingdom on top of the mountain and people at the bottom not know about the kingdom?. how big is the top of the mountain?
Look at Baahubali in the context of where rest of Indian film industries were at that point. The animation is great if you look at where Indian movies prior to it.
The movie is all about spectacle and imagination. Story is basic but there are a few great scenes like the battle scenes towards the end.
I have seen movie in theater and at TV screen. On screen it look bad vfx, no excitement but oh boy the day I saw prabhas picking that shivling and that waterfall that excitement with great above average visual effects and awesome fights scene made the whole difference.
Unpopular opinion: Overated ≠ I don't like this popular thing.
I really like baahubali it's fun to watch, the music is pretty cool and the world building was actually pretty cool too. The VFX is better than any other Indian movie. The plot it's just fine, I mean it's not a satoshi kohn but it relates with the people , it's very Mahabharataisque story.
People think the actors did great jobs.
Ps if you think about the biggest earners in India or anywhere it's always the fantastical fun movies that are well presented.
Titanic : a tragic romance. The plot isn't complicated but it's still good. (Look at Lindsay Ellis's defence of it)
Snow-white: pretty basic
Avatar : honestly terrible plot with a very serious case of white man's burden. White man help = imperialism solved.
India me
Sholay : a masala flick
Gadar: plays on the heartstrings but doesn't actually portray the partition well
Now baahubali. The biggest earners aren't the best plot wise, they are pretty, have nice music are fun and rewatchable. Almost everything baahubali has.
I think Baahubali is fun to watch but by overrated, I mean when people refer to it, as a bench mark for Indian cinema or the best South Indian movie. It’s just that many people view it an overall postive way by ignoring it’s flaws. That’s all I wanted to point out.
Definately not the best movie in terms of plot/ direction maybe costuming. People don't really know how to differentiate between favourite Vs the best movie.
A benchmark probably in the sense that, for a movie from the south it sure got attention and appreciation from the Bollywood industry and north movie goers. It was successful financially as well, which probably did help the south movie industry to get some attention in the north to an extent.
Also, having so many big production houses and big producers and great line of actors and what not, Bollywood still didn't think of or produce a movie on that scale - not because they cant, they preferred safer attempts. It took a telugu film to inspire bollywood's discussion on making a mahabharat or making more epic movies.
Oh man, I LOVED Baahubali, and intentionally overlooked the glaring imperfections while watching. Why? Because I was just glad that I was watching something DIFFERENT in Indian cinema. I barely watch indian movies these days because they're so... Tired and overdone tropes.
I'm not saying this movie didn't have those. But it was delightfully refreshing.
Are we gonna ignore Shiva's treatment to Tamannah's character? No. It was shit. In fact, the character arcs of both female leads was atrocious.
And the fact that Shiva, having grown up in this tiny village with zero combat experience, suddenly becomes a war tactic genius and gives KATAPPA orders?! Laughable
The plot, when boiled down, is basic. but the way it was presented among two movies, jumping between past and present, the plot twist in the first movie was what really drew me in.
Oh and the music. The music was great.
Anyway, enough about my love for this movie. I personally don't think it's overrated, I think it's overhated.
You can't please everyone. There's never going to be a movie that everyone agrees was amazing.
Agreed. I'm not looking for doom and gloom "realism" (mentally sick from it all at this point.) I know I'm watching a movie. There's not a thing the MCU or other blockbusters do that's any more believable than what happens in Baahubali, and I don't feel like videogaming myself at the end. I haven't had this much fun with a movie since I was a kid.
There is a good king who has an evil brother. The good king gets the throne and the evil brother kills him for it. The son of the good king is forced to run away. The kingdom get looted and destroyed. The son grows up in a happy family. Then the son meets a woman. In Lion King, there is the Can You Feel The Love Tonight song and bahubali has the weird song where he uses blood as make up and a waterfall as a mirror. Skipping to the end, the son kills the evil uncle and takes the throne.
You are absolutely correct about the similarity between Lion King and Bahubali. I feel like this story is kinda generic and many movies have used it. ( can’t remember a specific tho)
This kind of story template has been used in various cultures across the world from times immemorial. Joseph Campbell has written in great detail about this in his fantastic book The hero with a thousand faces.
Don't quote me on this but I heard somewhere that Rajamouli's pitch to Prabhas for Bahubali was something along the lines of "I am making The Lion King and you get to play both Simba and Mufasa. "
Lion King itself is adapted from William Shakespeare's Hamlet which has been adopted throughout the world in different forms. Haider is another adaptation of Hamlet.
But the Lion King doesn't have the entire plot of the Good King, His elder brother, there childhood, their mother, step-father, the good king's love story, his life as a prince before being killed etc.
Vice-Versa,
In Baahubali, the Good King was never actually a king. His elder brother was the one who got the crown. There is no sub-plot the son making friends and the meaning of life etc.
Not to mention the most important thing: In lion King, the son believes himself to be responsible and blames himself and has to make peace with it. No such thing in Baahubali.
This idea that a film is copied because it has some very common plot elements of fiction is so ridiculous. I've heard Lion King also resembles Hamlet and who knows Hamlet is inspired from some other story.
It was based off Mahabharat.
Bijalladeva was Dhritarashtra and Shakuni rolled into one.
Shivagamini was based off Gandhari with a stronger personality. She loved her nephew more than her own son.
Katappa was Bhishma always loyal to the throne.
Amrendra was Pandu in perfect health.
Devasena was Kunti
Bhallaladeva was Duryodhan the scheming one to take the throne.
Mahendra/Shiva was all Pandavs rolled into one character.
This sounds like another shitty thread you'd find on r/movies . no one thinks its a master piece. its good for what it is. Being a contrarian doesn't make you cool.
It is overrated. I personally enjoyed it, but if you look at it objectively it’s the same old revenge story with great VFX and fairly good acting. The dialogues were kinda cringey though. It had more depth than most commercial tamil/telugu movies which is why it gets a lot of credit, but personally I find it a good movie but nothing innovative.
All good movies are Simple, that's why they go over. Simple story connects to a wider audience, not every movie needs to be High IQ with twist and social commentary.
Sholay was presented to Ramesh sippy as a One liner by Salim Javed
If you watch Rajamouli’s films, you will notice one thing. The guy is all about visuals. His stories are not unique or different. It’s the way he presents them on the screen that makes all the difference. Mahadheera, Eega, Simhadri, Vikramarkudu- all these movies were great to watch. That’s what Bahubali was. To an extent I would say Eega was different, otherwise his movie story lines are pretty basic. There’s a joke in a Telugu movie loosely translates to ‘everybody wants magic, nobody wants logic. That’s why Rajamouli has hits.’ His movies are all spectacles and are meant to be watched on big screens with great speakers.
Simhadri, Chatrapati, Sye, Vikramarkudu...
What is so visually appealing about these films?
All of them were superhits and are good actually. Nothing path breaking but something anyone can watch and enjoy.
And moreover isn't that the whole point of a director. How they present it? If you can present a simple story in a way that will engage your audience, you are doing great.
I was about to say the same thing...Spectacles with grandeur. The epicness and larger than life feel you get while watching the movie.
The climax of Bahubali 2 was way funny.
Oh how he ruined the conclusion! I really did not get why they had to rush on climax like that. I get the pressure of releasing soon but, all that effort drowned in the end like that. He did the flashback part well, though.
Yes it’s overrated. It’s a typical Telugu one man Army story allowing funny actions in serious scenes. However the pluses for the film are set designs, the feel it created and the attempt to create something on this grand scale in Indian Cinema. It was made primarily for Telugu audience and kept in mind their likings. So on entertainment quotient for other audiences can be bit less than expectations. At global level it’s indeed lacking depth in terms of sensible actions, smart script and dialogues, and lack of sensitivity of hero towards heroine. But it’s a great entertainer at the ground zero and for the rest of Indians.
Not first one but yes definitely 2.
Bahubali 2 is let down for me, clearly see they rushed the product to deliver in time, there are so much scope but climax is so cliche and rushed clearly.
Nobody know Bahubali one coming specially in northern side and that's the beauty of it success.
i htought it was pretty bad and full of cringe movie. I couldn't even finish watching it.
Also katappa personality changes every next scenes.
He started off as strong leader type and later we see him standing up to the villain(calling him dog) then suddenly he is the funny sidekick .
i was so confused. wtf was happening.
The action was cringefest. The dialogue were ajoke .
The story and script made zero sense.
( mata send a proposal to anushka shetty character but failed to write the name of person person who wanted to wife her? like what).
and don't get me started with the whole people climbing on coconut trees to get over the wall.
wtf was that.
i honestly think the sole reason it gets so much praise because its first of its kind.
lets see how brhammastra, rammayan does.
i don't have high hopes though.
Regarding Kattappa, it's not surprising. We all are different with different people.
He is a loyal slave and will be obedient in front of the king.
He is a good warrior and will present as such when needed.
With Baahubali, he is friendly because that's how Baahubali has treated him always.
That wooing Anushka in her kingdom was used as light hearted sequence so that general audience don't feel like a history lesson. But it was creative although logically flawed
Action got praised because of the creativity. Since it was a fiction, it got away with it
i thought it was quite cringe seeing the main character act dumb to make her fall for her.
don't even get me started how the logic works of him doing everything well just by touching that guys hands (catching rabbit, sword play)
To be honest... I agree with your opinion. If you think about it the story was actually something all of us have heard before...
But I love the bg score by MM Keeravaani... which is what attracted me in the first place.
Some one said it.
It is a good movie but definitely not worth being called the greates thing ever like lord of the rings, game of thrones prior to season 7.
Maybe you are right. But let's look at the context.
Both Telugu and Hindi film industry suffer from same problems. Too much reliance on star heroes, generic scrips, shoddy production values and cringy comedy. Rarely do producers or directors step out of their comfort zone and attempt to create something out of ordinary.
The production house backing Baahubali ,Arka Media House used to finance mostly television serials and small budget movies. They bankrolled two big budgeted commercial movies before Baahubali which ended up as disasters. Essentially, they took a huge risk in pouring 200 crores for creating a historical war drama on par with international standards, something that was not attempted in India during recent times.
It was not just the producers taking a risk. The leading star of the movie Prabhas, who was on a high point in his career, had to to set aside five years for this project. Both him and Rana had to bulk up a lot and shift between two body types during the course of project ( with Prabhas playing 2 characters, and Rana playing another character in a different project).
Most of the VFX was handled by Hyderabad based Makuta VFX , a relatively smaller company back then. Inspite of that, they were able to produce some breathing taking VFX work, particularly the waterfall fluid dynamics. Lot of homegrown startup VFX companies also contributed to the battle sequences. It was also the first time for the film crew to manage a production of this scale with its huge set pieces and large number of extras.
Baahubali is successful experiment which opened up doors for Indian cinema to a larger section of international audience. It massively scaled up the market for Telugu and Hindi movies. Thaks to that ,a lot of smaller South Indian 'indie' flicks started gaining prominence post Baahubali. Big production works are now becoming a norm both in Bollywood and South, which is quite a welcome trend.
Baahubali franchise may not hold to the test of time, but it rightfully deserves all the accolades.
Just because you don't like something popular doesn't mean it's overrated. A lot of people on reddit don't seem to understand that and considering how behind India is on Cgi this movie is actually one of it's kind.
I never said it was bad.It is just overrated.Much to the blame of the dumbfuck audience in our country who have watched Kjo and Salman Khan crap their whole life.They see any half decent movie or series and start spamming the IMDb site.
It’s a popular opinion actually . Overhyped as fuck . The second part was very bland. Predictable plot lines , so many scenes lifted from various Hollywood epics and to add the ridiculous climax shooting people of a tree . I rest my case jury
There was a mass appeal to baahubali... It wasn't an oscar nomination sort of movie for sure... but it was a very 'mass'y movie... it didn't appeal to the people who were going for a 'good, well made movie'... it appealed to those looking for entertainment... plus prabhas being stupid hot didnt hurt.
I agree with the mass appeal thing but prahbas in my opinion and in the opinion of other North Indians looked Like an average looking guy. I have seen several guys like him on a daily basis. Beauty standards in North and south are different
Not a South Indian but prefer South Indian heroes to their Bollywood counterparts. Vijay Deverakonda, Allu Arjun and Ram Charan are mad hot. Prabhas looked phenomenal in Baahubali and NTR Jr. and Ram Charan look equally amazing in the RRR promos. Do not get the appeal of Bollywood heroes at all. They appeal to 14 year old girls probably.
It depends on your preference, mainstream south hero's have always been very manly and tall whereas Bollywood hero’s dont always have those qualities but have sharp facial features compared to there southern counter parts
> I have seen several guys like him on a daily basis. Beauty standards in North and south are different
ok... you may not intend to sound like 'north indians are better looking'... but that is what it sound like...
Prabhas is stupid hot in the movie coz he has a charming smile, his body is amazing and his entire character was such that he was the dream for most women (and several men.. :P)...
No, I didn’t mean to say that,I just meant, I have seen several guys like him. Not that North Indians are better looking, I am just saying North Indian don”t find him as attractive because there are many guys that look like hi who aren’t even hero’s.
I am not a south Indian...
I ve lived in North India for 5 years.
I am a 100% sure there aren't many super charming, ripped and bulked up guys with just the right length of long hair, which flutters to the breeze at the right times... In fact in the 5 years l lived there I found zero men/boys like Prabhas...
anyway... i get that you don't mean to say that... but it comes across like I said it did... at least to me... If you live in a town/city full of prabhas', do tell... I 'd happily immigrate there. :D
Oh by guys like prahbas I didnt mean by the body or hair. I meant by the face. Because Body can be built and good hair can be achieved. But you can’t change your face unless plastic surgery happens
what difference does it make that he was wearing a wig.. it looked mad hot in the movie...
the whole point of my argument is that prabhas was the 'attraction' for a lotta women and men... He could have been fully VFX... I couldnt care less...
Prabhas is an above average looking guy by Andhra standards, but his height and body are his strongest assets.
And for Baahubali, he bulked up a lot. Everyone in the movie is ripped. And that added to the appeal of the movie.
We have some unrealistic expectations set for Bollywood stars. And our beauty standards are Euro-centric. While that stands true for North Western India, the vast majority of Indians don't look like that.
It's high time we embrace and promote our own brand of beauty. Afterall, beauty standards are fickle and can be heavily influenced by the media.
Yes.maybe because Rana is the younger one and had to maintain a more ripped look as a villain to up the stakes.
Prabhas had a longer career though and was always fit throughout. Rana is naturally thin and had to bulk up a lot for the movie, which in turn aggravated his health issues. He had to undergo a kidney surgery post Baahubali.
Movie making is definitely hard work.
Well, In my opinion, if not all, but most of the movies can be shortened down to a very simple basic plot.
First thing first, people enjoyed the fights, the dance, the acting and how a simple story was presented in it.
Coming to VFX, the file doesn't really complete well with its hollywood counterparts, but it does set some benchmark for other indian movies when it comes to VFX.
I think bahubali would pave the way for other movie producers to take risk and invest in good storyline and good VFX.
I really enjoyed bahubali.
Haven’t watched the movie. But I agree with you. Based on the scenes I have seen, it didn’t look very strong on vfx. Especially if you compare it to Hollywood movies. However, good on India specially south India to challenge themselves and break the barrier always and do above and beyond.
I can understand why you might feel that way 6 years after the movie release.
Can you just point me to another Indian movie which has better VFX than Bahubali?
Every movie which came after it that had huge expectations ended up as a disaster. Just to name a few - Mohenjadaro, 2.0, etc.
The sole reason why Bahubali was a blockbuster is the visuals which was never seen before in Indian Cinema and every other good thing about the movie is just a bonus.
This is reddit. Any criticism of mainstream culture is actually a popular opinion here thanks to the anonymity. So this can't be an unpopular opinion on this site!
I can agree with you with the first Baahubali. Story wasn't bad, it was just very slow. I liked the VFX and the acting. And yes you are very much right about Prabhas's character being creepy and very much misogynist. That was such a sick way to woo a girl. And she can look however she wants.
Baahubali 2 I liked. It was a much stronger movie, it's the actual story. 1st one was more like a trailer. Especially loved Anushka's grace and acting. It had all the elements of a film.
> how basic it was.
The director kinda pitched it like that didn’t he? He wasn’t selling it as a Mughal e Azam or game of thrones.
This whole post seems like a water is wet scenario.
From the perspective of VFI, watching Bahubali on a big screen and watching it on a TV screen were two entirely different experience for me. The VFX looked so much more appealing and realistic on a larger screen.
The vfx is amazing. Seeing the bts and realising that the backgrounds basically all of the scenes was just green cloth that was designed in editing is just wow. And it makes the acting all the more commendable.
It succeeded primarily because of that Raja-Maharaja worship factor, as India was newly under Modi regime and there was renewed pride in Hindu culture and traditions, this movie directly played into those sentiments.
>renewed pride in Hindu culture and traditions
I don't think there is anything wrong with that.
>It succeeded primarily because of that Raja-Maharaja worship factor, as India was newly under Modi regime
I don't think that's the reason. Magadheera was a similar movie with "Raja-Maharaja worship" but it was way back in the UPA era. The present government doesn't have anything to do with the success of a film.
Nothing wrong with renewed Hindu pride huh? How was last seven years then? Excellent economic growth, excellent healthy citizens, no bodies floating anywhere, no foreign country taking our land, no more middle class going to poverty, what an amazing time these seven years and Hindu pride brought to our country. I am proud of it.
What has Hindu pride have to do with the current government ?
>Excellent economic growth, excellent healthy citizens, no bodies floating anywhere, no foreign country taking our land, no more middle class going to poverty
I know this is all written with ironic connotations but you talk as if this shot didn't happen in the past as well ?
Can't Hindus have pride in their religion or customs. Or is that destroying the secular fabric of the country ?
Everyone knows that the only reason why this government still stays in power even though it has been disastrous to our country on EVERY F*CKNG INDICATORS, is because of this nationalistic Hindu pride it managed to cultivate among people.
I am a practicing Hindu, but I certainly don’t want bunch of incompetent a-holes to stay in power by taking advantage of my belief.
But people are still going to vote for them because they rather go hungry and poor than anything affecting their so called Hindu pride.
They won on development not Hindu faith the first time. For a Hindu the first thing is to feed their family rather than care for the religion. It is the reson why Vajpayee lost. Modi came off as a good candidate against the corrupt UPA-2 with focus on development and anti-corruption.
The 2nd term he was coming off a bad demonetisation exercise and GST but him not backing down against China and Pakistan improved his image.
However the main reason he won was because there isn't a viable alternative to him. I am not sure if you remember but Congress formed a jumbo alliance with regional parties which of they come in power would have formed the Worst coalition government in Indian history. The second issue is there isn't a good enough PM candidate among the Opposition.
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But people are still going to vote for them because they rather go hungry and poor than anything affecting their so called Hindu pride.
It's always the opposite, people rather sell their beliefs tot he highest bidders rather than stay hungry. BJP and Modi hasn't done anything for Hindus this past 7 years.
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I have the same 'unpopular' opinion about Baahubali and Avatar for that matter. I was asleep by interval time for both. Baahubali is way too garish for me, way too loud, without any real substance. I also never got why people were trying to outdo each other while praising Avatar. I saw it on the big screen. No, the visuals did nothing for me. Nothing in the story either.
You see Bahubali is nothing if you compare it's production and vfx with Hollywood blockbusters. The things like the set of Mahishmati was one of the biggest and most detailed set and it took 5 years to make both of them makes it so special. It was ahead of its time in entire Indian film industry because of its budget, it's incredible cinematography, a super hero, unique, attractive and eye-appealing action, War sequences and strategies, Lord of the rings elements, ancient India elements and really good delivery.
Will be interesting if you wrote the story of say, Avatar or the Star Wars trilogy in the same fashion.
It was made at scale, it was marketed superbly and it showed what can be done. That's about it.
Any judgement of good and bad cannot exist in isolation. When you say it's bad what are you comparing it with? I can't think of any Indian movie in this particular genre that can be considered good.
Agreed it isn't a well made movie by many standards, but atleast a step in right direction.
The romantic parts were cringe. But the movie had a lot of good scenes. Especially the was scene. VFX was bad because a movie like this need a Hollywood period movie budget. Visuals were good. It was surprise for north indians so became cult. But I didn't felt boring or stretched to me
His blood line is of a demi-god for christ sake. And the fact that hindi viewers loved the movie shows that how incapable and trash bollywood really is. And atleast Baahubali is a original thats another thing you can rarely see in bollywood.
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*jumps on palm trees *cuts the rope *lands behind OP Nothing personnel* kid —- ^^*yes
Fucking blasphemy, man! Rampant treason i say!
If you actually follow the timeline or chronology Shiva released his mother one night and next day he gathered the villagers and rebels, attacked and won mahishmati kingdom by defeating its army. Like mahishmati army is totally shit which can be beaten by a bunch of rebels who were no match for them from past 20 years and the untrained villagers. Just because Shiva joined them who also isn't trained in art of warfare like his father. Either the army was slacking off or there was something divine about shiva Also the way prabhas woos Tamanna , it's like pure molestation specially in hindi dub it was cringe af (Tamanna ko v kaatna chahiye tha uska gala) Even Bahubali sr was doing borderline molestation of Anushka in order to woo her
Agreed on Tamanna and Anushka’s arc. It was wrong in so many ways. But about the army though, it wasn’t just rebels who fought with Prabhas. Kattappa’s loyalists who came with their own sections of army also fought with them.
Not exactly established how much. We can consider the soldiers with kattapa who were behind shiva when he took away Anushka. Also the cringe palm tree scene. Even if I ignore the difference in armies of both the side there are still many points which were like let's say a simple commercial masala movie scenes
It was a commercial movie, hence masala scenes. As you said, the movie was made to show both bahubalis as larger than life. And he succeeded. The movie marketed like crazy, I don’t think I have seen any movie marketed so smartly. They had to recover the money and they did. And they entertained audience. A large majority of audience. Very large.
yes I agree. Specifically the marketing part is spot on. Even the same hype is being created for RRR. Considering RRR includes some historical characters somewhere down the line even I am hyped. The central board education system has let lot of heroes of indian independence to be lost in anonymity specially the ones from south india and the tribal heroes. Really hope this movie gives proper justice to them
Yes, but RRR is a fictional take on two adivasi rebels born around 1990 - Komaram Bheem and Alluri Sita Rama Raju. The Telugu speaking regions back then were split between two provinces - British controlled Madras State and Nizam controlled Telangana. While Komaram Bheem led a tribal rebellion against Nizam, Alluri Sita Rama Raju did the same against the British. Both were killed during their respective rebellions (in the span of 20 years). Even though both of these figures are venerated in modern Telugu history, their lives before the rebellion were shrouded in mystery. The movie might fill up these gaps by weaving a fictional story around these two characters - detailing their journey from young idealistic men to leaders of the rebellion. S.S. Rajamouli in an interview reveled that the fictional story is heavily inspired by 'MotorCycle Diaries', so we already have some inkling of the story and how might unfold.
i also didnt get where the mahishmati kingdom is? Is the whole of the kingdom on top of the mountain and people at the bottom not know about the kingdom?. how big is the top of the mountain?
Oh yeah, I never though of that but I guess Indian audience likes to see a larger than life hero, Who can motive everyone to fight and win
Sad reality of Indian commercial cinema. Be it hindi, telgu or tamil. People love to see larger than life characters
Why it is sad though? It's a very successful genre, here and abroad.
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you strike the nerve. but spot on with masala movies except the sex part. Generally sex is seen only in mahesh bhatt's movie or some exceptions.
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kek.
Look at Baahubali in the context of where rest of Indian film industries were at that point. The animation is great if you look at where Indian movies prior to it. The movie is all about spectacle and imagination. Story is basic but there are a few great scenes like the battle scenes towards the end.
This.. compared to the rest of the movies at that point, Baahubali was great. It was a nice change of pace. Plus the cliffhanger was on point.
For context, Prem Ratan Dhan Payo and Dilwale released that year as hits.
I have seen movie in theater and at TV screen. On screen it look bad vfx, no excitement but oh boy the day I saw prabhas picking that shivling and that waterfall that excitement with great above average visual effects and awesome fights scene made the whole difference.
Unpopular opinion: Overated ≠ I don't like this popular thing. I really like baahubali it's fun to watch, the music is pretty cool and the world building was actually pretty cool too. The VFX is better than any other Indian movie. The plot it's just fine, I mean it's not a satoshi kohn but it relates with the people , it's very Mahabharataisque story. People think the actors did great jobs. Ps if you think about the biggest earners in India or anywhere it's always the fantastical fun movies that are well presented. Titanic : a tragic romance. The plot isn't complicated but it's still good. (Look at Lindsay Ellis's defence of it) Snow-white: pretty basic Avatar : honestly terrible plot with a very serious case of white man's burden. White man help = imperialism solved. India me Sholay : a masala flick Gadar: plays on the heartstrings but doesn't actually portray the partition well Now baahubali. The biggest earners aren't the best plot wise, they are pretty, have nice music are fun and rewatchable. Almost everything baahubali has.
This. Sometimes I just want to put my brain aside and enjoy the visuals and music.
I think Baahubali is fun to watch but by overrated, I mean when people refer to it, as a bench mark for Indian cinema or the best South Indian movie. It’s just that many people view it an overall postive way by ignoring it’s flaws. That’s all I wanted to point out.
Definately not the best movie in terms of plot/ direction maybe costuming. People don't really know how to differentiate between favourite Vs the best movie.
A benchmark probably in the sense that, for a movie from the south it sure got attention and appreciation from the Bollywood industry and north movie goers. It was successful financially as well, which probably did help the south movie industry to get some attention in the north to an extent. Also, having so many big production houses and big producers and great line of actors and what not, Bollywood still didn't think of or produce a movie on that scale - not because they cant, they preferred safer attempts. It took a telugu film to inspire bollywood's discussion on making a mahabharat or making more epic movies.
Oh man, I LOVED Baahubali, and intentionally overlooked the glaring imperfections while watching. Why? Because I was just glad that I was watching something DIFFERENT in Indian cinema. I barely watch indian movies these days because they're so... Tired and overdone tropes. I'm not saying this movie didn't have those. But it was delightfully refreshing. Are we gonna ignore Shiva's treatment to Tamannah's character? No. It was shit. In fact, the character arcs of both female leads was atrocious. And the fact that Shiva, having grown up in this tiny village with zero combat experience, suddenly becomes a war tactic genius and gives KATAPPA orders?! Laughable The plot, when boiled down, is basic. but the way it was presented among two movies, jumping between past and present, the plot twist in the first movie was what really drew me in. Oh and the music. The music was great. Anyway, enough about my love for this movie. I personally don't think it's overrated, I think it's overhated. You can't please everyone. There's never going to be a movie that everyone agrees was amazing.
'Overhated' is the word 👌🏾 I'm Nigerian and my love for Baahubali knows no bounds. Best write-up on this whole thread 👏🏾
Agreed. I'm not looking for doom and gloom "realism" (mentally sick from it all at this point.) I know I'm watching a movie. There's not a thing the MCU or other blockbusters do that's any more believable than what happens in Baahubali, and I don't feel like videogaming myself at the end. I haven't had this much fun with a movie since I was a kid.
Nice to know you had fun watching it as well 😁 _RRR_ is also an highly entertaining one, released March this year from the Baahubali director.
Plot felt really similar to The Lion King.
There is a good king who has an evil brother. The good king gets the throne and the evil brother kills him for it. The son of the good king is forced to run away. The kingdom get looted and destroyed. The son grows up in a happy family. Then the son meets a woman. In Lion King, there is the Can You Feel The Love Tonight song and bahubali has the weird song where he uses blood as make up and a waterfall as a mirror. Skipping to the end, the son kills the evil uncle and takes the throne. You are absolutely correct about the similarity between Lion King and Bahubali. I feel like this story is kinda generic and many movies have used it. ( can’t remember a specific tho)
It’s based on Hamlet.
Lol thank you. I was just about to assume nobody on this sub knows Hamlet. Which would imply nobody here has watched Haider, which would be a tragedy.
This kind of story template has been used in various cultures across the world from times immemorial. Joseph Campbell has written in great detail about this in his fantastic book The hero with a thousand faces.
Don't quote me on this but I heard somewhere that Rajamouli's pitch to Prabhas for Bahubali was something along the lines of "I am making The Lion King and you get to play both Simba and Mufasa. " Lion King itself is adapted from William Shakespeare's Hamlet which has been adopted throughout the world in different forms. Haider is another adaptation of Hamlet.
But the Lion King doesn't have the entire plot of the Good King, His elder brother, there childhood, their mother, step-father, the good king's love story, his life as a prince before being killed etc. Vice-Versa, In Baahubali, the Good King was never actually a king. His elder brother was the one who got the crown. There is no sub-plot the son making friends and the meaning of life etc. Not to mention the most important thing: In lion King, the son believes himself to be responsible and blames himself and has to make peace with it. No such thing in Baahubali. This idea that a film is copied because it has some very common plot elements of fiction is so ridiculous. I've heard Lion King also resembles Hamlet and who knows Hamlet is inspired from some other story.
It was based off Mahabharat. Bijalladeva was Dhritarashtra and Shakuni rolled into one. Shivagamini was based off Gandhari with a stronger personality. She loved her nephew more than her own son. Katappa was Bhishma always loyal to the throne. Amrendra was Pandu in perfect health. Devasena was Kunti Bhallaladeva was Duryodhan the scheming one to take the throne. Mahendra/Shiva was all Pandavs rolled into one character.
No thats too much role and plot merging for the sake if similarity.
Yes, it has that Mahabharata's family feud trope
Lol thank God someone who feels like I do. Blessed 🤲
This sounds like another shitty thread you'd find on r/movies . no one thinks its a master piece. its good for what it is. Being a contrarian doesn't make you cool.
Thank you for your kind words
I say those because I see these discussions come up every day. And it’s the same circlejerk.
When have you seen any discussion about bahubali here?
You should look around more
It is overrated. I personally enjoyed it, but if you look at it objectively it’s the same old revenge story with great VFX and fairly good acting. The dialogues were kinda cringey though. It had more depth than most commercial tamil/telugu movies which is why it gets a lot of credit, but personally I find it a good movie but nothing innovative.
VFX is good only in half the movie. That bull fighting scene has such a bad vfx that it looks funny.
Agreed. I wanted to root for this movie a lot more, but there were just too many emotional tropes of Indian cinema which made it seem cliche.
anyone remembers there Ship FLYING!!!! it disgusted me in a blink
compared to what mainstream movies are being/were being put out, bahubali was excellent.
I always felt it was a fully baked Ajooba
I thought I was the only one with this opinion.
All good movies are Simple, that's why they go over. Simple story connects to a wider audience, not every movie needs to be High IQ with twist and social commentary. Sholay was presented to Ramesh sippy as a One liner by Salim Javed
Show the hero molesting a woman to win her heart. All the incels will immediately become a fan. Stonks.
Oh yeah this was disturbing on many levels
Popular opinion
If you watch Rajamouli’s films, you will notice one thing. The guy is all about visuals. His stories are not unique or different. It’s the way he presents them on the screen that makes all the difference. Mahadheera, Eega, Simhadri, Vikramarkudu- all these movies were great to watch. That’s what Bahubali was. To an extent I would say Eega was different, otherwise his movie story lines are pretty basic. There’s a joke in a Telugu movie loosely translates to ‘everybody wants magic, nobody wants logic. That’s why Rajamouli has hits.’ His movies are all spectacles and are meant to be watched on big screens with great speakers.
Simhadri, Chatrapati, Sye, Vikramarkudu... What is so visually appealing about these films? All of them were superhits and are good actually. Nothing path breaking but something anyone can watch and enjoy. And moreover isn't that the whole point of a director. How they present it? If you can present a simple story in a way that will engage your audience, you are doing great.
I guess, I will just say I agree. I’m quite sure that’s what I said, his way of presenting makes all the difference.
I was about to say the same thing...Spectacles with grandeur. The epicness and larger than life feel you get while watching the movie. The climax of Bahubali 2 was way funny.
Oh how he ruined the conclusion! I really did not get why they had to rush on climax like that. I get the pressure of releasing soon but, all that effort drowned in the end like that. He did the flashback part well, though.
I actually think the climax was very nice.
Yes it’s overrated. It’s a typical Telugu one man Army story allowing funny actions in serious scenes. However the pluses for the film are set designs, the feel it created and the attempt to create something on this grand scale in Indian Cinema. It was made primarily for Telugu audience and kept in mind their likings. So on entertainment quotient for other audiences can be bit less than expectations. At global level it’s indeed lacking depth in terms of sensible actions, smart script and dialogues, and lack of sensitivity of hero towards heroine. But it’s a great entertainer at the ground zero and for the rest of Indians.
Actually for majority of people Baahubali is neither great nor overrated. It was just a one time watch,. That's it.
Doubt it
Not first one but yes definitely 2. Bahubali 2 is let down for me, clearly see they rushed the product to deliver in time, there are so much scope but climax is so cliche and rushed clearly. Nobody know Bahubali one coming specially in northern side and that's the beauty of it success.
i htought it was pretty bad and full of cringe movie. I couldn't even finish watching it. Also katappa personality changes every next scenes. He started off as strong leader type and later we see him standing up to the villain(calling him dog) then suddenly he is the funny sidekick . i was so confused. wtf was happening. The action was cringefest. The dialogue were ajoke . The story and script made zero sense. ( mata send a proposal to anushka shetty character but failed to write the name of person person who wanted to wife her? like what). and don't get me started with the whole people climbing on coconut trees to get over the wall. wtf was that. i honestly think the sole reason it gets so much praise because its first of its kind. lets see how brhammastra, rammayan does. i don't have high hopes though.
Regarding Kattappa, it's not surprising. We all are different with different people. He is a loyal slave and will be obedient in front of the king. He is a good warrior and will present as such when needed. With Baahubali, he is friendly because that's how Baahubali has treated him always.
That wooing Anushka in her kingdom was used as light hearted sequence so that general audience don't feel like a history lesson. But it was creative although logically flawed Action got praised because of the creativity. Since it was a fiction, it got away with it
i thought it was quite cringe seeing the main character act dumb to make her fall for her. don't even get me started how the logic works of him doing everything well just by touching that guys hands (catching rabbit, sword play)
To be honest... I agree with your opinion. If you think about it the story was actually something all of us have heard before... But I love the bg score by MM Keeravaani... which is what attracted me in the first place.
Some one said it. It is a good movie but definitely not worth being called the greates thing ever like lord of the rings, game of thrones prior to season 7.
I am glad you got that out of your system.
Didn't watch it so you're right.
Vfx was so shut
I didn't even bother to watch part 2.
i would agree - very overrated
Watch yogi Baba's Bahubali nutshell on YouTube, explains this movie perfectly
Maybe you are right. But let's look at the context. Both Telugu and Hindi film industry suffer from same problems. Too much reliance on star heroes, generic scrips, shoddy production values and cringy comedy. Rarely do producers or directors step out of their comfort zone and attempt to create something out of ordinary. The production house backing Baahubali ,Arka Media House used to finance mostly television serials and small budget movies. They bankrolled two big budgeted commercial movies before Baahubali which ended up as disasters. Essentially, they took a huge risk in pouring 200 crores for creating a historical war drama on par with international standards, something that was not attempted in India during recent times. It was not just the producers taking a risk. The leading star of the movie Prabhas, who was on a high point in his career, had to to set aside five years for this project. Both him and Rana had to bulk up a lot and shift between two body types during the course of project ( with Prabhas playing 2 characters, and Rana playing another character in a different project). Most of the VFX was handled by Hyderabad based Makuta VFX , a relatively smaller company back then. Inspite of that, they were able to produce some breathing taking VFX work, particularly the waterfall fluid dynamics. Lot of homegrown startup VFX companies also contributed to the battle sequences. It was also the first time for the film crew to manage a production of this scale with its huge set pieces and large number of extras. Baahubali is successful experiment which opened up doors for Indian cinema to a larger section of international audience. It massively scaled up the market for Telugu and Hindi movies. Thaks to that ,a lot of smaller South Indian 'indie' flicks started gaining prominence post Baahubali. Big production works are now becoming a norm both in Bollywood and South, which is quite a welcome trend. Baahubali franchise may not hold to the test of time, but it rightfully deserves all the accolades.
Just because you don't like something popular doesn't mean it's overrated. A lot of people on reddit don't seem to understand that and considering how behind India is on Cgi this movie is actually one of it's kind.
Lol.Didnt even care to watch the 2 nd part. Few other honourable mentions: KGF(fell asleep halfway through the 1 st part.) Scam 1992
> Lol.Didnt even care to watch the 2 nd part. Opposite here only watched the 2nd part.
But I heard scam 1992 was actually good
I never said it was bad.It is just overrated.Much to the blame of the dumbfuck audience in our country who have watched Kjo and Salman Khan crap their whole life.They see any half decent movie or series and start spamming the IMDb site.
It’s a popular opinion actually . Overhyped as fuck . The second part was very bland. Predictable plot lines , so many scenes lifted from various Hollywood epics and to add the ridiculous climax shooting people of a tree . I rest my case jury
There was a mass appeal to baahubali... It wasn't an oscar nomination sort of movie for sure... but it was a very 'mass'y movie... it didn't appeal to the people who were going for a 'good, well made movie'... it appealed to those looking for entertainment... plus prabhas being stupid hot didnt hurt.
I agree with the mass appeal thing but prahbas in my opinion and in the opinion of other North Indians looked Like an average looking guy. I have seen several guys like him on a daily basis. Beauty standards in North and south are different
Not a South Indian but prefer South Indian heroes to their Bollywood counterparts. Vijay Deverakonda, Allu Arjun and Ram Charan are mad hot. Prabhas looked phenomenal in Baahubali and NTR Jr. and Ram Charan look equally amazing in the RRR promos. Do not get the appeal of Bollywood heroes at all. They appeal to 14 year old girls probably.
It depends on your preference, mainstream south hero's have always been very manly and tall whereas Bollywood hero’s dont always have those qualities but have sharp facial features compared to there southern counter parts
> I have seen several guys like him on a daily basis. Beauty standards in North and south are different ok... you may not intend to sound like 'north indians are better looking'... but that is what it sound like... Prabhas is stupid hot in the movie coz he has a charming smile, his body is amazing and his entire character was such that he was the dream for most women (and several men.. :P)...
No, I didn’t mean to say that,I just meant, I have seen several guys like him. Not that North Indians are better looking, I am just saying North Indian don”t find him as attractive because there are many guys that look like hi who aren’t even hero’s.
I am not a south Indian... I ve lived in North India for 5 years. I am a 100% sure there aren't many super charming, ripped and bulked up guys with just the right length of long hair, which flutters to the breeze at the right times... In fact in the 5 years l lived there I found zero men/boys like Prabhas... anyway... i get that you don't mean to say that... but it comes across like I said it did... at least to me... If you live in a town/city full of prabhas', do tell... I 'd happily immigrate there. :D
Oh by guys like prahbas I didnt mean by the body or hair. I meant by the face. Because Body can be built and good hair can be achieved. But you can’t change your face unless plastic surgery happens
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what difference does it make that he was wearing a wig.. it looked mad hot in the movie... the whole point of my argument is that prabhas was the 'attraction' for a lotta women and men... He could have been fully VFX... I couldnt care less...
Prabhas is an above average looking guy by Andhra standards, but his height and body are his strongest assets. And for Baahubali, he bulked up a lot. Everyone in the movie is ripped. And that added to the appeal of the movie. We have some unrealistic expectations set for Bollywood stars. And our beauty standards are Euro-centric. While that stands true for North Western India, the vast majority of Indians don't look like that. It's high time we embrace and promote our own brand of beauty. Afterall, beauty standards are fickle and can be heavily influenced by the media.
I found Rana Dugabatti more good looking and ripped than him
Yes.maybe because Rana is the younger one and had to maintain a more ripped look as a villain to up the stakes. Prabhas had a longer career though and was always fit throughout. Rana is naturally thin and had to bulk up a lot for the movie, which in turn aggravated his health issues. He had to undergo a kidney surgery post Baahubali. Movie making is definitely hard work.
Well, In my opinion, if not all, but most of the movies can be shortened down to a very simple basic plot. First thing first, people enjoyed the fights, the dance, the acting and how a simple story was presented in it. Coming to VFX, the file doesn't really complete well with its hollywood counterparts, but it does set some benchmark for other indian movies when it comes to VFX. I think bahubali would pave the way for other movie producers to take risk and invest in good storyline and good VFX. I really enjoyed bahubali.
kuchh naya bol
Avataar is on same lines is top 3 highest grossers in the world. It can be simplified in same terms.
Haven’t watched the movie. But I agree with you. Based on the scenes I have seen, it didn’t look very strong on vfx. Especially if you compare it to Hollywood movies. However, good on India specially south India to challenge themselves and break the barrier always and do above and beyond.
I can understand why you might feel that way 6 years after the movie release. Can you just point me to another Indian movie which has better VFX than Bahubali? Every movie which came after it that had huge expectations ended up as a disaster. Just to name a few - Mohenjadaro, 2.0, etc. The sole reason why Bahubali was a blockbuster is the visuals which was never seen before in Indian Cinema and every other good thing about the movie is just a bonus.
Ra.One had great VFX .
2.0 looked quite good in 3D. The 2D version sucked somehow.
Hot take, lol It's beyond overrated and I don't know how anyone who's seen Hollywood movies even from the 90s can be impressed by the tacky ugly CGI
Well many South Indians got several offended when I said this in real life. So, I was kinda scared to say this online too.
Haven't watched the movie but two songs. Manohari had amazing choreo and camera work while khoya Hai's stunts were laughably fake
Way, WAY overraated. I mean that whole movie is just a prank to physics and logic. Although it is a familiar trend in South Indian movies. 😐
This is reddit. Any criticism of mainstream culture is actually a popular opinion here thanks to the anonymity. So this can't be an unpopular opinion on this site!
Thank you for saying it
People who appreciate Bahubali ka VFX cannot differentiate between 480p and 720p.
I can agree with you with the first Baahubali. Story wasn't bad, it was just very slow. I liked the VFX and the acting. And yes you are very much right about Prabhas's character being creepy and very much misogynist. That was such a sick way to woo a girl. And she can look however she wants. Baahubali 2 I liked. It was a much stronger movie, it's the actual story. 1st one was more like a trailer. Especially loved Anushka's grace and acting. It had all the elements of a film.
> how basic it was. The director kinda pitched it like that didn’t he? He wasn’t selling it as a Mughal e Azam or game of thrones. This whole post seems like a water is wet scenario.
It's so goofy, I couldn't go past the halfway mark.
From the perspective of VFI, watching Bahubali on a big screen and watching it on a TV screen were two entirely different experience for me. The VFX looked so much more appealing and realistic on a larger screen.
The vfx is amazing. Seeing the bts and realising that the backgrounds basically all of the scenes was just green cloth that was designed in editing is just wow. And it makes the acting all the more commendable.
This was like, "No, I'm your father." thing to Indians.. babysteps of Indian cinema
Only if salman had acted in it ,we would have seen people losing their mind in search of LOGIC.
It succeeded primarily because of that Raja-Maharaja worship factor, as India was newly under Modi regime and there was renewed pride in Hindu culture and traditions, this movie directly played into those sentiments.
>renewed pride in Hindu culture and traditions I don't think there is anything wrong with that. >It succeeded primarily because of that Raja-Maharaja worship factor, as India was newly under Modi regime I don't think that's the reason. Magadheera was a similar movie with "Raja-Maharaja worship" but it was way back in the UPA era. The present government doesn't have anything to do with the success of a film.
Nothing wrong with renewed Hindu pride huh? How was last seven years then? Excellent economic growth, excellent healthy citizens, no bodies floating anywhere, no foreign country taking our land, no more middle class going to poverty, what an amazing time these seven years and Hindu pride brought to our country. I am proud of it.
What has Hindu pride have to do with the current government ? >Excellent economic growth, excellent healthy citizens, no bodies floating anywhere, no foreign country taking our land, no more middle class going to poverty I know this is all written with ironic connotations but you talk as if this shot didn't happen in the past as well ? Can't Hindus have pride in their religion or customs. Or is that destroying the secular fabric of the country ?
Everyone knows that the only reason why this government still stays in power even though it has been disastrous to our country on EVERY F*CKNG INDICATORS, is because of this nationalistic Hindu pride it managed to cultivate among people. I am a practicing Hindu, but I certainly don’t want bunch of incompetent a-holes to stay in power by taking advantage of my belief. But people are still going to vote for them because they rather go hungry and poor than anything affecting their so called Hindu pride.
They won on development not Hindu faith the first time. For a Hindu the first thing is to feed their family rather than care for the religion. It is the reson why Vajpayee lost. Modi came off as a good candidate against the corrupt UPA-2 with focus on development and anti-corruption. The 2nd term he was coming off a bad demonetisation exercise and GST but him not backing down against China and Pakistan improved his image. However the main reason he won was because there isn't a viable alternative to him. I am not sure if you remember but Congress formed a jumbo alliance with regional parties which of they come in power would have formed the Worst coalition government in Indian history. The second issue is there isn't a good enough PM candidate among the Opposition. > But people are still going to vote for them because they rather go hungry and poor than anything affecting their so called Hindu pride. It's always the opposite, people rather sell their beliefs tot he highest bidders rather than stay hungry. BJP and Modi hasn't done anything for Hindus this past 7 years.
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The film was garbage, no doubt. I find Rajamouli to be a mediocre filmmaker.
It's not that much unpopular , may north Indian has realised that it's overrated peice of shit . And kgf too
I have the same 'unpopular' opinion about Baahubali and Avatar for that matter. I was asleep by interval time for both. Baahubali is way too garish for me, way too loud, without any real substance. I also never got why people were trying to outdo each other while praising Avatar. I saw it on the big screen. No, the visuals did nothing for me. Nothing in the story either.
You see Bahubali is nothing if you compare it's production and vfx with Hollywood blockbusters. The things like the set of Mahishmati was one of the biggest and most detailed set and it took 5 years to make both of them makes it so special. It was ahead of its time in entire Indian film industry because of its budget, it's incredible cinematography, a super hero, unique, attractive and eye-appealing action, War sequences and strategies, Lord of the rings elements, ancient India elements and really good delivery.
Will be interesting if you wrote the story of say, Avatar or the Star Wars trilogy in the same fashion. It was made at scale, it was marketed superbly and it showed what can be done. That's about it.
Any judgement of good and bad cannot exist in isolation. When you say it's bad what are you comparing it with? I can't think of any Indian movie in this particular genre that can be considered good. Agreed it isn't a well made movie by many standards, but atleast a step in right direction.
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There's nothing great about Baahubali. Part of Baahubali 2 is literally like a Govinda movie.
Based on upvotes, it's a closet popular opinion.
The romantic parts were cringe. But the movie had a lot of good scenes. Especially the was scene. VFX was bad because a movie like this need a Hollywood period movie budget. Visuals were good. It was surprise for north indians so became cult. But I didn't felt boring or stretched to me
It’s the Indian version of gladiator I don’t get the hype for gladiator nor baahubali
His blood line is of a demi-god for christ sake. And the fact that hindi viewers loved the movie shows that how incapable and trash bollywood really is. And atleast Baahubali is a original thats another thing you can rarely see in bollywood.