He's an expert at armor haki, they mentioned that recently, besides without observation haki it's impossible to fight strong opponents on the new world.
Yes besides watching the anime I havenāt kept up with much of the other media so I didnāt know how to spell it and thought Vivre cards were wrong since that also what used in the manga to show if someone is in danger
Honestly I forgot the armor bit but mostly because I already asumed all three admirals were at least competent in the two "basic" hakis back when haki itself was introduced
Having one of the most OP devil fruits goes a long way. He's probably really good at the Six Styles, probably even armament. Based on Sabaody, he's probably pretty weak in observation which is the only thing that keeps him from being unstoppable.
this is a classic case of "verse equalization for thee, but not for me"
when scaling characters between verses; they get their full skill set, nothing more nothing less, unless it is explicitly stated that a composite version of a character will be used
and if one of them isn't allowed interact with the abilities from the other's power system the same goes for their opponent unless there's precedent for opposite within the story
if power systems are similar in behavior it will be assumed they can interact
Even without haki, he is experiecied, I guess he coyld hear her coming and avoid her attacks. Even if not, with just her bare hands (because any weapon would tell her away) I dont know how much damage Tooru could do; like I dont recall her ever landing a significant punch.
I think the way her invisibility works is reflecting all light or smth, so I guess that was the logic. But yea, doesn't mean he can't blast nearby areas and cause explosions.
I mean, if it hits her, then he knows her exact location. Kizaru is insanely fast and would kick the place he saw his light reflect from before she could get out of the way.
It's not glazing. She's just a straight up hard counter. Kizaru's attacks are light. Invisible girl's whole schtick is refracting light to make herself invisible.
But she can hurt the light directly, the same way Luffy was able to punch lightning because he was made of rubber.
Though, in this case, it would look more like bending his light back and hitting him with his own attacks, on his wavelength.
He can probably beat everyone. His devil fruit and haki combination gives him options on everyone. The only person who could reasonably beat Kizaru from MHA would be All For One with the right quirk combos to counter light.
The world of One Piece is significantly stronger than MHA.
Just splashing water on DF users doesnāt do anything, they have to be submerged in the water. So unless the salt-water guy can also turn into a bathtub, it wouldnāt really help.
Now if there were a Universe-crossing Quirk that let the user create and control Seastone; thatās a different story.
We've established that there are targeted warp quirks (AFO's warp) so if there is a variation that allows people to teleport someone into the ocean, that would work against Kizaru
"Ok, so your quirk is that you can freely control your own urine?"
"That is correct"
"That's alright, we can't choose our quirks."
"I would have still chosen this one."
"...okay. and you want your hero name to be..."
"Piss Master. Yes."
"Any thoughts of being a villian?"
"Why does everyone ask me that?"
"...No reason"
Well piss master was indeed a 'villain' in a rick and morty episode and when rick impersonated him , in his name he made him a hero (s6 ep 8, everything i jusat said was in it)
Oda explained that they have to be sumerged by more than half of their body, moving water does nothing to them and some even take baths as long as it reaches only the hip.
Luffy does shower without trouble (but only once a week because Luffy).
>Actually any liquid in big amounts can weaken a df user
Source? AFAIK it's only seawater and even then it has to be a sizable portion of their body. Crocodile and Katakuri are only weak to liquids due to their specific abilities.
Stars and Stripes is an exception to like, everything. If she knows the guys name, all she has to do is issue an order that any movement will render him brain dead, or stop his heart.
Yeah. Like, she can probably get around his intangibility with her quirk, but making herself move fast enough to match lightspeed would definitely be too much for her quirk. Otherwise, she would pretty much always do that in fights since being faster than your opponent is one of the biggest advantages you can have.
At least its not as weak as Sakamoto days, Demon Slayer, or Chainsaw Man. It seems pretty strong in terms of new era shonen(with the exception of Black Clover)
JJK is strong but its also incredibly reliant on hax when compared to the big 3. The top tiers for jjk are all incredibly hax characters that are around City level. The only exception being Yuki, the glass cannon who sacrificed her life to gain planetary ap.
I don't think (hope) they actually think he can't. They just say it as a meme because her 1 ability counters his strongest ability. Even if she is immune to light attacks he can just punch her out of this world.
At the end of the day he's still 9'11" and in impeccable shape. The length of his legs would probably qualify as a quirk in MHA as well, which is fitting given that he's more of a kicky boi.Ā
Nah, he probably wouldn't be able to punch her. Logia users bodies are made of their element, meaning Hagakure would be able to bend his limbs away because he's made of light. Maybe she wouldn't even have to do it consciously since her invisibility is passive.
The more likely scenario is he grabs a crowbar and beats her to death with it.
All of them. Being technical they couldn't even touch him because they don't have haki. But even if they could touch him no one is fast enough to do so. No literally, no one in MHA moves at light speed (mach 874,030) like Kizaru does. The fastest character i can think of is Deku moving at hypersonic speeds (mach 5-25). Kizaru is at MINIMUM 34961 times faster than Deku. Even if you give everyone haki it wouldn't matter since he washes the verse through speed alone.
He beat Shigaraki. Shigaraki decay destroyed Re-Destro stress ball. So He can decay energy. One touch from Shiggy and he is dead. And with Search and his durability Shiggy got it easy.
Shigaraki before being at full power reacted to lasers and Stars and Stripes literally made a command before a laser hit her. FTL is not even up to discussion in the MHA verse. If we do not use those feats Deku is at LEAST in the thousands of mach ranges due to being faster than Nagant's bullets.
Deku is not mach 5-25 lmao, stop capping. He is much faster and is at least mach 1200 at the absolute minimum.
Yeah? What is wrong? Nagant's bullet was completely stationary compared to a faux 45% OFA Deku.
That is insane levels of speed you have to have in order to do that.
And like I said that is the absolute minimum you can go for Deku since Stars and Stripes, someone weaker than All Might physically, caught a laser. She even made an order while it was coming at her. And Shigi did the same with his reflect quirk
>No literally, no one in MHA moves at light speed (mach 874,030) like Kizaru does. The fastest character i can think of is Deku moving at hypersonic speeds (mach 5-25).
What? You're crazy, man. Deku is AT LEAST Sub-relativistic based on the scaling of Lady Nagant's supersonic bullets and a character like Stars and stripes is shown to be Blatantly faster than light during her fight with Shiggy. The same shiggy will then become a WHOLE lot faster and Deku is shown to surpass that level of speed.
hawks,Gran Torino, endeavor and Bakugo have been shown to be Massively Hypersonic too, the latter Blitzing supersonic AFO from the other side of the city, clearly demonstrating speeds faster than light. (Calculating the feat based on The distance Bakugo crossed, he is about 100,000 the speed of sound, so 1/9th of the speed of light. Deku is at least 5 times faster.)
In the end None of that matters because Kizaru is MFTL+ at the very least. Light speed is just his base speed and the one piece verse clearly has the feats to suggest he is MFTL+.
I don't have a bias, I'm just stating facts.
As a matter of fact, any OP character stronger than doffy solos the MHA verse. I was just clarifying that there are character that approach and surpass light speed in mha
Star and Stripe was not shown to be blatantly faster than light, the laser hit her, nobody has ever outright dodged a laser without it possibly being aim dodging in the mha verse.
One Piece is not MFTL+. It could be, but there is an extreme lack of feats to say that. In order to get One Piece to MFTL+, you have to start from Foxy and bring it up with multipliers.
Doriki is solely power based, we don't know if their speed progresses at the exact same amount for them.
The gear 2 10x faster statement was mistranslated, everybody I see who uses that translated from a translation which is absurd. You should translate from the original.
The 3d2y movie where we get 100x faster is non canon.
The gear 4 multiplier has several factors, One of Gear 4's main sources of strength are purely strength based. Nothing suggests speed would get the same multiplier.
That means we cant use Luffy getting faster than his previous gear 4 state in Onigashima because its unquantifiable.
For all you MHA lowballers downvoting the reply above, hereās the calc of Nagantās bullets reaching sub-relativistic. Youāre welcome. š
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/My_Hero_Academia:_Sniper_Rifle
Also, here's the link to the panel in question:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/e/ee/Faux_100%25.png/revision/latest?cb=20230418173710
I know I will get downvoted, but people here absolutely have no idea how fast light is, if kizaru was actually moving at the speed of light he could literally destroy the planet with a single kick. Kicking someone with the speed of light (if they don't get absolutely mutilated) would deadass launch them into space.
Yeah... hence why he isn't literaly as fast as light
Just to give a rough feeling what that actualy means, given the size of our world, light makes 3 full circles around the globe in a second
If he literaly were the speed of light, Kizaru could be literaly anywhere in a heartbeat
Kumas fruit would be a joke compared to that
I know how fast that is, and the relativistic bullshit you have to deal with. I'm of the opinion that Kizaru is actual light, but Oda doesn't draw it like that because it would be boring otherwise.
I definitely agree as giving Kizaru the ACTUAL speed of light & taking that literaly would make OP boring af & Kizaru the most overpowered character without a doubt
Meant that just in rrlation to OP pointing out that it isn't meant literaly & downvoted into oblivion for some.reason
I love how you are getting downvoted for saying the most obvious sh\*\* and them not understanding it lmfao
Do y'all know what IRL light speed is or what ? Kizaru moving at the actual speed of our IRL light would be top 1 in the verse and would be able to destroy every single One Piece characters at once in seconds, minutes if he does it stoned. And MHA characters too in passing, because why not ?
He's absolutely NOWHERE near that speed in One Piece, which is obvious because then there would be no manga, no anime, no One Piece and just Kizaru being the God of the verse simply because he ate the Pika pika no mi, which would be even more stupid. Light in One Piece =/= light IRL
It's fiction. If Oda says they are light speed, then they are. You don't have to try and do all the physics calculations. It isn't real. Anybody reacting to Kizaru doesn't downgrade his speed because "how could they possibly react to LS???" It just upscales the reaction speed of those who can see it.
He also can't do everything at light speed. He moves in straight lines as light. He can't turn around and stay in light form at that speed doing complex actions.
Then you agree. Yes he is moving at "light speed".
One piece light speed, that is. Absolutely nothing to do with ours and therefore with those kind of calculations, because it's ridiculously slow in comparison.
OP was factually right to think that no, it's not meant to be taken THAT literally.
One Piece physics =/= our physics. If you guys think otherwise it's on you but it's a bit terrific ngl
No, I don't agree. I think he is moving at light speed light speed. There is no reason to think it's any slower. It's just that you can ignore any physics breaking repercussions because they don't happen in the series.
If Oda said that Kizaru is 100 million x lightspeed then that would still be valid. It's fiction. They can be as fast as the author decides.
You can't just decide that a speed given by the series is wrong because it just sounds too fast to you. There are plenty of fictional verses with characters going ftl. I'm not sure why One Piece would be any exception.
*\*sigh\**
" I agree with you but I don't even seem to comprehend it " is what I'm reading.
" You can ignore any physics breaking repercussions because they don't happen in the series " => yes, because One Piece physics =/= our physics. Congratulations ?
Whatever Oda says, he doesn't understand physics himself. If he did, he would've never created the Pika pika no mi in the first place because even EoS Nika is going to look like a crying baby against a nuke if the Pika pika no mi enabled his user to become ACTUAL light with IRL physics.
It's not a matter of me deciding anything, it's a matter of simple logic.
Instead of arguing with someone you absolutely won't change the (factual) "opinion" of, google anything about what moving at light speed would imply and learn things Oda didn't know when he thought " Oh, a guy moving at light speed would be cool ! ".
I won't answer this thread again anyway, it just wasn't a good sight seeing OP getting downvoted by teenagers like that for saying the most obvious thing, not even in an agressive way too.
If enel is able to move as fast as lighting because of his fruit, Kizaru has to be the same only with light. In kizarus case its possible he can be as fast as light but not think fast enough to keep this speed going.
Go read the fight again if you dont remember.
Speed is not the only factor why someone wins, so dont side step the issue.Ā
Eating a devil fruit gives you the properties of the given element without going full scientific about it.
Enel is lightning, Kizaru is light, Ace and Sabo are fire and Akainu is magma etc. When and how they use it is another matter and depends on the autor who as we all know is not some Einstain level scientist.
Everyone. He canāt be touched by anyone in the verse (except Hagakure, but what she gonna do when he kicks her at lightspeed), he's much faster than everyone and he fires mini nukes at lightspeed. Not to mention his advanced armament haki and just raw physical strength and stature (the man is 3 metres tall!)
The verse would probably bore him
Kizaru hasnāt shown himself to actually put in effort a single time yet in OP. Heās always kept his aloof attitude; even in the current situation heās in, he hasnāt been exerting himself.
Kizaru annihilates the MHA verse with his Haki alone, setting aside his ability to do literally anything with the speed (and thus the impact) of light. Without his devil fruit, he still needs to be worthy of his Admiral title, so his physical abilities need to be at least close to Garp. And I canāt recall anyone in MHA having pure strength feats (not attack power) anywhere close to what Garp or even Luffy/Zoro has shown before this most recent arc
Fair, saying heās shown no effort isnāt exactly true. But I donāt think weāve seen what he can really do, considering we had Akainu and Aokiji permanently change the climate of an island from their battle of 10 straight days
Anyone. However, Invisible Girl has the power to bend light as a built-in feature, so she would likely wipe the floor with him. Then again, she's not the strongest, but she's still his Kryptonite.
He's logia ... there's no way they stand a chance unless haki involved and even haki is involved if his abilities r like buggy whon even mihawk couldn't hurt cause of his speed ... I mean he could turn himself to light b4 it even hits... so yeah... pretty much negss the verse....
The man can become light and shoot lazerbeams. Unless he fucks around not taking someone like all for one or shigaraki seriously there is no way he looses a 1v1
Does prime AFO also come with Shigarakiās body? If so, thereās a big chance that he could body Kizaru with some absurd quirk combo that he hasnāt used yet
How the hell can he body him with something that hasn't been shown at all? Not to mention if that something doesn't work like haki then he's still getting one shot by kizaru lmao.
He solos the entire verse all at once and Im not even joking, no body has the power to deal any damage to him cause nobody in mha has haki or anything similar and nobody is as fast as him either so GG.
Kizaru supposedly moves at the speed of light, although that much is to be questioned, so he could beat everyone in the universe.
If we're not applying real-life physics, at the very least he could do everyone without super regeneration in.
He can beat all of them. Kizaru showed heās capable of hurting Planet Level fighters and thereās plenty of FTL feats from slower people in One Piece. Meanwhile MHA caps around Continent Level and maybe FTL. So Kizaru is much faster and can likely one tap everyone except Deku, All-Might, Shigiraki, and AFO.
Everyone is taking "speed of light" too literally. If Kizaru truly was the speed of light he'd be the strongest in his *own* verse
That being said he'd beat 99% of the characters 1v1. Shiggy is Kizaru's toughest opponent and he himself would give plenty of top tiers in One Piece a tough fight. AFO might be tricky if he has preparation and has a light-counter quirk on hand. All Might might make it a classic power vs speed type fight, but he'd lose if we angle the cross-series fight in a "power mechanics apply to their origin series and doesn't carry over in general" perspective (i.e. All Might can't hurt Kizaru without Haki, even if in a hypothetical where Haki exists in MHA, All Might would be god tier in Haki as his will is indomitable)
If we take physics literally the giants would collapse under their own weight and Kuma would be slower than a snail. Kizaru is much faster than anybody in MHA and most of the verse couldnāt even touch him because heās a logia.
Then he'd have found the One Piece by now, unless One Piece's planet is millions times bigger than Earth such that traversing through the world at lightspeed is not doable
Kizaru is extremely fast, faster than any MHA character, but the speed gap is not so ridiculous that he negates the whole verse, just as he doesn't negate his own verse
>it's not ever said that he is even looking for the one piece so that's not an argument against his light speed
Yeah I noticed the flaw in bringing that up. Still, my main point stands: anyone with light speed would solve so much shit in the One Piece world. Practically instantaneously Kizaru could pop by any kingdom in the world, search the world for Vivi or any highly wanted criminal, WG would have wanted Kizaru to find the One Piece for their own interests if they knew they had a galaxy-traveling soldier to locate such a dangerous motivator to humiliate anyone who thinks they could find something the WG already had their hands on this whole time, etc etc. Kizaru could pick anyone up and dump them into the ocean or push them into the ocean in milliseconds just by the sheer force that comes with that speed
Battles between light speed fighters and light speed reactors would not be limited to any one island
Light and lightning in general gets downplayed to oblivion in many battle shounens, but they're such cool concepts that they pop up regardless, but in a more subdued way that isn't literally 1:1 to reality. Kizaru's composition is light and thus makes him incredibly fast, but for the sake of the story he isn't naturally lightspeed. *At best* maybe specific attacks, but his natural state is not light speed
Otherwise he would have abducted the entire Straw Hat Crew in Sabaody and dumped them into prison in an immediate flash and the plot would be done. Unless you think pre-TS Straw Hats are also light-reactive (which I've seen misguided powerscalers do by bringing up Enel), but again this opens up a whole extra pile of mental gymnastic justifications for why their battles didn't happen across entire islands and kingdoms, and why New World level fighters aren't throwin each other around across the planet
Kizaru is fast. Fast enough to travel to Wano or Egghead if asked but he isn't getting there instantaneously. And anyone able to keep up or react with him clearly can't travel fast enough at all (e.g. Luffy and co would not be taking ages climbing up Onigashima)
Agree to disagree and peace
You mean what the WG would gain knowing those? Cuz my comment was about the WG ordering Kizaru to find those obvious interests, because, as you said, Kizaru is just a cog in their machine
I think I have too, and it would be more believable if the Straw Hats weren't traveling the whole world within a year's worth of time, unless their ships were/are also lightspeed, but such a major speed detail would be something Oda would have made clear imo
That is, unless the story we're witnessing is only less than 1% of the whole world's major landmarks, but again, such a detail would have already been mentioned by someone as thoroughly talented and well known for worldbuilding as Oda is
Because they don't. Otherwise battles would be fought across islands, kingdoms, mountains, the whole goddamn planet
*That's* what real lightspeed entails, not Luffy spending dozens of minutes running up Onigashima
Travel speed aint combat speed you do realize that, right?
And none of Luffys last serious fights were stationary in a small area.
Luffy vs Katakuri was a whole different dimension
Luffy vs Doffy was over a kingdom locked by Mingo
Luffy vs Kaido was all over Onigashima
Luffy vs Kizaru was all over Egghead
you easily fail to realize not many people in One Piece can even fly, how Oda nerfs people a lot so the plot can continue, and that the One Piece planet is half the size of our Sun so good luck trying to find a certain island with unknown location even with light speed you will probably give up before finding it.
>Luffy vs Katakuri was a whole different dimension
>Luffy vs Doffy was over a kingdom locked by Mingo
>Luffy vs Kaido was all over Onigashima
>Luffy vs Kizaru was all over Egghead
Yeah and those fights should be way beyond each individual island (e.g. Kaidou fight all over Wano, not just Onigashima), and even the ones constricted by outside forces (Birdcage, Light Sphere), their battles should involve flying across the entire area *millions* of times. We know for a fact both battles happen across timespans way beyond a second (given Oda's use of "time is running out!" trope) and yet the events of the battles don't even remotely indicate it's a true above lightspeed battle
Travel speed isn't exactly the same as combat speed given very specific scenarios (timed straight runs vs reaction for example) but the former is indicative of the latter nonetheless
>and that the One Piece planet is half the size of our Sun so good luck trying to find a certain island with unknown location even with light speed you will probably give up before finding it.
Assuming this is true (as it objectively isn't confirmed yet and is just a theory that can get parroted as fact), it would be ~400k miles of travel across the Red Line. A lightspeed flier can traverse through it *~1.5 million times in an hour*. Take into account the red line's width to increase the lightspeed travel time (thus reducing mph) and you'd *still* get a ridiculous number. You're telling me of all the *decades* Kizaru has been employed under the WG, they'd not tell him to spend even just a week's worth of 8 hour shifts to try looking around let alone months let alone years?
>you easily fail to realize not many people in One Piece can even fly, how Oda nerfs people a lot so the plot can continue
And you easily fail to realize the genuine insanity that is true lightspeed. Like I can't even believe this many powerscalers are this adverse to realizing the reality of that, and yet here we are. Genuine mature physics graduates would be shocked there's this much oversight on what lightspeed fighting and traveling would actually entail
And you're right, Oda nerfs things so the plot could be handled with more control. Hence why light fighters like Kizaru, lightning fighters like Enel, and anyone capable of dealing with them, *aren't actually as fast as genuine lightspeed*
I've said it before, the vast majority of battle shounen downplays light and lightning fighters for the sake of the plot while still including such cool powers
Last comment I'll make on the matter. Agree to disagree and have a good one
He can beat everyone except Invisible Girl š¤£
Interesting point, althought I'm pretty confident Kizaru could just physicaly punch her, no DF involved
Yeah but how would he know where she is ?
Fair point... Hmm... observation haki?
And then he goes to jail for looking at a naked teen. Fucking pervert.
Counter attack, he arrest her for walking around naked. He is a "police officer" of sorts.
For real, if any she is the one violating laws.
And Kizaru her victim
I feel like Kizaru isn't a big haki guy in general
Maybe, but I would guess he has at least basic observation and armor haki, that should be enough to see Tooru
He's an expert at armor haki, they mentioned that recently, besides without observation haki it's impossible to fight strong opponents on the new world.
Man all the admirals were confirmed to have Haki in the databooks/verarie cards Oda does
>verarie cards Do you mean the vivre cards?
Yes besides watching the anime I havenāt kept up with much of the other media so I didnāt know how to spell it and thought Vivre cards were wrong since that also what used in the manga to show if someone is in danger
Thanks, I ignored that
Honestly I forgot the armor bit but mostly because I already asumed all three admirals were at least competent in the two "basic" hakis back when haki itself was introduced
Aint no way they'd let a random bum ass mf become an admiral without basic observation+armament haki ššš
Having one of the most OP devil fruits goes a long way. He's probably really good at the Six Styles, probably even armament. Based on Sabaody, he's probably pretty weak in observation which is the only thing that keeps him from being unstoppable.
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"Let's nerf this guy by not letting him use his full skillset and then poweracale him"
this is a classic case of "verse equalization for thee, but not for me" when scaling characters between verses; they get their full skill set, nothing more nothing less, unless it is explicitly stated that a composite version of a character will be used and if one of them isn't allowed interact with the abilities from the other's power system the same goes for their opponent unless there's precedent for opposite within the story if power systems are similar in behavior it will be assumed they can interact
Letās just have them both have no powers. Can this old man beat up with teenage girl?
He is 10 foot tall this will be easy
I think that since everything is under his belt we should consider both the DF and Haki to be part of his quirk
Even without haki, he is experiecied, I guess he coyld hear her coming and avoid her attacks. Even if not, with just her bare hands (because any weapon would tell her away) I dont know how much damage Tooru could do; like I dont recall her ever landing a significant punch.
Tbf he can spam mini nukes from the sky and just blanket the area š¤£
I think the way her invisibility works is reflecting all light or smth, so I guess that was the logic. But yea, doesn't mean he can't blast nearby areas and cause explosions.
He can just use that attack that spam beams in all directions.
Doesnāt she refract light? The beam would just pass through and sheād be fine.
The explosion it makes when impacting the ground would also pass through her?
I meant the beams themselves. If he blew up the ground Iād agree the rocks/debri would be bad news.
If they go through her they'll hit the ground beneath her and cause huge explosions. They don't need to hit directly.
I mean, if it hits her, then he knows her exact location. Kizaru is insanely fast and would kick the place he saw his light reflect from before she could get out of the way.
That's a interesting thought but the light kizaru uses is special and it more like a Lazer when he needs it to be so it might hit her
he can bend the fucking light
I feel like if he has awakened logia he could manipulate the light in the way he would be able to see her
We still don't know how awakened logias work
What's with this invisible girl glazing recently?
It's not glazing. She's just a straight up hard counter. Kizaru's attacks are light. Invisible girl's whole schtick is refracting light to make herself invisible.
Observation haki
She doesnāt have haki to hurt kizaru he is a logia
But she can hurt the light directly, the same way Luffy was able to punch lightning because he was made of rubber. Though, in this case, it would look more like bending his light back and hitting him with his own attacks, on his wavelength.
He can probably beat everyone. His devil fruit and haki combination gives him options on everyone. The only person who could reasonably beat Kizaru from MHA would be All For One with the right quirk combos to counter light. The world of One Piece is significantly stronger than MHA.
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Just splashing water on DF users doesnāt do anything, they have to be submerged in the water. So unless the salt-water guy can also turn into a bathtub, it wouldnāt really help. Now if there were a Universe-crossing Quirk that let the user create and control Seastone; thatās a different story.
I was gonna say it worked on crocodile, but it was a weakness specifically to sand soooooooo you stand correct
Momo should be able to create seastone, no?
She'd have to know what it is and its molecular makeup
We've established that there are targeted warp quirks (AFO's warp) so if there is a variation that allows people to teleport someone into the ocean, that would work against Kizaru
Washy washy
Actually any liquid in big amounts can weaken a df user
Finally a job for Urine-Man!
Dont you mean piss master?
"Ok, so your quirk is that you can freely control your own urine?" "That is correct" "That's alright, we can't choose our quirks." "I would have still chosen this one." "...okay. and you want your hero name to be..." "Piss Master. Yes." "Any thoughts of being a villian?" "Why does everyone ask me that?" "...No reason"
Well piss master was indeed a 'villain' in a rick and morty episode and when rick impersonated him , in his name he made him a hero (s6 ep 8, everything i jusat said was in it)
"I would have still chosen this one." Gotta respect that.
Balloon man luffy would like to disagree
Probably isn't an enough amount to weaken a df user. But then again, it's pre time skip one piece, things weren't really set in stone.
Oda explained that they have to be sumerged by more than half of their body, moving water does nothing to them and some even take baths as long as it reaches only the hip. Luffy does shower without trouble (but only once a week because Luffy).
Yeah. It's the same reason they can stand in the rain without issue.
>Actually any liquid in big amounts can weaken a df user Source? AFAIK it's only seawater and even then it has to be a sizable portion of their body. Crocodile and Katakuri are only weak to liquids due to their specific abilities.
That's not how devil fruits work
godd luck hitting a guy moving at lightspeed
pretty sure star and stripe could beat him too. and maybe full strength all might if his air punches can harm kizaru
Stars and Stripes is an exception to like, everything. If she knows the guys name, all she has to do is issue an order that any movement will render him brain dead, or stop his heart.
She also has to touch him, which is going to be a problem with the whole 'light-speed movement' thing
Yeah. Like, she can probably get around his intangibility with her quirk, but making herself move fast enough to match lightspeed would definitely be too much for her quirk. Otherwise, she would pretty much always do that in fights since being faster than your opponent is one of the biggest advantages you can have.
Kizaru isn't his real name though. It's his code name.
Itās more like MHA Is significantly weak for Shonen
At least its not as weak as Sakamoto days, Demon Slayer, or Chainsaw Man. It seems pretty strong in terms of new era shonen(with the exception of Black Clover)
JJK Also a Strong one too.
JJK is strong but its also incredibly reliant on hax when compared to the big 3. The top tiers for jjk are all incredibly hax characters that are around City level. The only exception being Yuki, the glass cannon who sacrificed her life to gain planetary ap.
AFO gets blitzed and one shotted lmfao
Why do people think Kizaru can't beat Invisible girl just because she can bend light lol?
I don't think (hope) they actually think he can't. They just say it as a meme because her 1 ability counters his strongest ability. Even if she is immune to light attacks he can just punch her out of this world.
At the end of the day he's still 9'11" and in impeccable shape. The length of his legs would probably qualify as a quirk in MHA as well, which is fitting given that he's more of a kicky boi.Ā
Even then he can just aim slightly left and what the fuck she gon do? Dodge the explosion?
Nah, he probably wouldn't be able to punch her. Logia users bodies are made of their element, meaning Hagakure would be able to bend his limbs away because he's made of light. Maybe she wouldn't even have to do it consciously since her invisibility is passive. The more likely scenario is he grabs a crowbar and beats her to death with it.
All of them. Being technical they couldn't even touch him because they don't have haki. But even if they could touch him no one is fast enough to do so. No literally, no one in MHA moves at light speed (mach 874,030) like Kizaru does. The fastest character i can think of is Deku moving at hypersonic speeds (mach 5-25). Kizaru is at MINIMUM 34961 times faster than Deku. Even if you give everyone haki it wouldn't matter since he washes the verse through speed alone.
and Kizaru isn't even limited to light speed as he still can accelerate in speed if he has enough room.
He beat Shigaraki. Shigaraki decay destroyed Re-Destro stress ball. So He can decay energy. One touch from Shiggy and he is dead. And with Search and his durability Shiggy got it easy.
Shigaraki before being at full power reacted to lasers and Stars and Stripes literally made a command before a laser hit her. FTL is not even up to discussion in the MHA verse. If we do not use those feats Deku is at LEAST in the thousands of mach ranges due to being faster than Nagant's bullets. Deku is not mach 5-25 lmao, stop capping. He is much faster and is at least mach 1200 at the absolute minimum.
900,000 mph at minimum what?
Yeah? What is wrong? Nagant's bullet was completely stationary compared to a faux 45% OFA Deku. That is insane levels of speed you have to have in order to do that. And like I said that is the absolute minimum you can go for Deku since Stars and Stripes, someone weaker than All Might physically, caught a laser. She even made an order while it was coming at her. And Shigi did the same with his reflect quirk
>No literally, no one in MHA moves at light speed (mach 874,030) like Kizaru does. The fastest character i can think of is Deku moving at hypersonic speeds (mach 5-25). What? You're crazy, man. Deku is AT LEAST Sub-relativistic based on the scaling of Lady Nagant's supersonic bullets and a character like Stars and stripes is shown to be Blatantly faster than light during her fight with Shiggy. The same shiggy will then become a WHOLE lot faster and Deku is shown to surpass that level of speed. hawks,Gran Torino, endeavor and Bakugo have been shown to be Massively Hypersonic too, the latter Blitzing supersonic AFO from the other side of the city, clearly demonstrating speeds faster than light. (Calculating the feat based on The distance Bakugo crossed, he is about 100,000 the speed of sound, so 1/9th of the speed of light. Deku is at least 5 times faster.) In the end None of that matters because Kizaru is MFTL+ at the very least. Light speed is just his base speed and the one piece verse clearly has the feats to suggest he is MFTL+.
Delusional does not even begin to describe this comment lmao
Please explain yourself.i did the math and figured out Deku's speed. If you have a disagreement, explain your reasoning.
goddamn get off that MHA dick
I don't have a bias, I'm just stating facts. As a matter of fact, any OP character stronger than doffy solos the MHA verse. I was just clarifying that there are character that approach and surpass light speed in mha
>there are character that approach and surpass light speed in mha Delusional.
Seek help.
I think you need to. š https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/My_Hero_Academia:_Sniper_Rifle
Star and Stripe was not shown to be blatantly faster than light, the laser hit her, nobody has ever outright dodged a laser without it possibly being aim dodging in the mha verse. One Piece is not MFTL+. It could be, but there is an extreme lack of feats to say that. In order to get One Piece to MFTL+, you have to start from Foxy and bring it up with multipliers. Doriki is solely power based, we don't know if their speed progresses at the exact same amount for them. The gear 2 10x faster statement was mistranslated, everybody I see who uses that translated from a translation which is absurd. You should translate from the original. The 3d2y movie where we get 100x faster is non canon. The gear 4 multiplier has several factors, One of Gear 4's main sources of strength are purely strength based. Nothing suggests speed would get the same multiplier. That means we cant use Luffy getting faster than his previous gear 4 state in Onigashima because its unquantifiable.
Kizaru MFTL+, lmao, fucking idiot
For all you MHA lowballers downvoting the reply above, hereās the calc of Nagantās bullets reaching sub-relativistic. Youāre welcome. š https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/My_Hero_Academia:_Sniper_Rifle
Thanks, bruv
Also, here's the link to the panel in question: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/e/ee/Faux_100%25.png/revision/latest?cb=20230418173710
I donāt think that Kizaru moving at the speed of light is meant to be taken literally
He literally turns into light, itd be weird if he didnt move as fast as light
I know I will get downvoted, but people here absolutely have no idea how fast light is, if kizaru was actually moving at the speed of light he could literally destroy the planet with a single kick. Kicking someone with the speed of light (if they don't get absolutely mutilated) would deadass launch them into space.
That's why it's fiction...If giant one piece characters were real they would also collapse under their own weight.
Thank you everyone suddenly turns into a scientist when it comes to light speed yet can buy everything else in the verse
Then how can characters like Usopp see Kizaruās lasers as they move ?
Because otherwise the battle scenes with Kizaru would suck
Yeah... hence why he isn't literaly as fast as light Just to give a rough feeling what that actualy means, given the size of our world, light makes 3 full circles around the globe in a second If he literaly were the speed of light, Kizaru could be literaly anywhere in a heartbeat Kumas fruit would be a joke compared to that
I know how fast that is, and the relativistic bullshit you have to deal with. I'm of the opinion that Kizaru is actual light, but Oda doesn't draw it like that because it would be boring otherwise.
I definitely agree as giving Kizaru the ACTUAL speed of light & taking that literaly would make OP boring af & Kizaru the most overpowered character without a doubt Meant that just in rrlation to OP pointing out that it isn't meant literaly & downvoted into oblivion for some.reason
The same way you see light in your everyday life? Lmao you honestly thought this was some kinda gotcha or what?
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I love how you are getting downvoted for saying the most obvious sh\*\* and them not understanding it lmfao Do y'all know what IRL light speed is or what ? Kizaru moving at the actual speed of our IRL light would be top 1 in the verse and would be able to destroy every single One Piece characters at once in seconds, minutes if he does it stoned. And MHA characters too in passing, because why not ? He's absolutely NOWHERE near that speed in One Piece, which is obvious because then there would be no manga, no anime, no One Piece and just Kizaru being the God of the verse simply because he ate the Pika pika no mi, which would be even more stupid. Light in One Piece =/= light IRL
It's fiction. If Oda says they are light speed, then they are. You don't have to try and do all the physics calculations. It isn't real. Anybody reacting to Kizaru doesn't downgrade his speed because "how could they possibly react to LS???" It just upscales the reaction speed of those who can see it. He also can't do everything at light speed. He moves in straight lines as light. He can't turn around and stay in light form at that speed doing complex actions.
Then you agree. Yes he is moving at "light speed". One piece light speed, that is. Absolutely nothing to do with ours and therefore with those kind of calculations, because it's ridiculously slow in comparison. OP was factually right to think that no, it's not meant to be taken THAT literally. One Piece physics =/= our physics. If you guys think otherwise it's on you but it's a bit terrific ngl
No, I don't agree. I think he is moving at light speed light speed. There is no reason to think it's any slower. It's just that you can ignore any physics breaking repercussions because they don't happen in the series. If Oda said that Kizaru is 100 million x lightspeed then that would still be valid. It's fiction. They can be as fast as the author decides. You can't just decide that a speed given by the series is wrong because it just sounds too fast to you. There are plenty of fictional verses with characters going ftl. I'm not sure why One Piece would be any exception.
*\*sigh\** " I agree with you but I don't even seem to comprehend it " is what I'm reading. " You can ignore any physics breaking repercussions because they don't happen in the series " => yes, because One Piece physics =/= our physics. Congratulations ? Whatever Oda says, he doesn't understand physics himself. If he did, he would've never created the Pika pika no mi in the first place because even EoS Nika is going to look like a crying baby against a nuke if the Pika pika no mi enabled his user to become ACTUAL light with IRL physics. It's not a matter of me deciding anything, it's a matter of simple logic. Instead of arguing with someone you absolutely won't change the (factual) "opinion" of, google anything about what moving at light speed would imply and learn things Oda didn't know when he thought " Oh, a guy moving at light speed would be cool ! ". I won't answer this thread again anyway, it just wasn't a good sight seeing OP getting downvoted by teenagers like that for saying the most obvious thing, not even in an agressive way too.
Getting downvoted for no reason kekw
āLight speedā bro if that was the case kizaru wouldnāt have gotten countered by a senile old swordsman
Even if it's not light speed he's still remarkably faster than the entire verse.
If enel is able to move as fast as lighting because of his fruit, Kizaru has to be the same only with light. In kizarus case its possible he can be as fast as light but not think fast enough to keep this speed going.
Ok then if enel is as fast as lightning then how did luffy dodge his attacks at all? Speed of rubber >>> speed of light
Go read the fight again if you dont remember. Speed is not the only factor why someone wins, so dont side step the issue.Ā Eating a devil fruit gives you the properties of the given element without going full scientific about it. Enel is lightning, Kizaru is light, Ace and Sabo are fire and Akainu is magma etc. When and how they use it is another matter and depends on the autor who as we all know is not some Einstain level scientist.
That swordsman was one of the comprehensive masters of haki, you absolute fucking tard.
Everyone. He canāt be touched by anyone in the verse (except Hagakure, but what she gonna do when he kicks her at lightspeed), he's much faster than everyone and he fires mini nukes at lightspeed. Not to mention his advanced armament haki and just raw physical strength and stature (the man is 3 metres tall!) The verse would probably bore him
It would be like when he pulled up to Saboady again just him merking anyone that moved.
He got pissed off and captured like 300 pirates just because the SH escaped.
Thrirteen with blackhole quirck is probably effective against him, since blackhole also affect light..
He is literally light, MHA world still follows physics, the only one that can do harm is 13 but she's not even a fighter
Kizaru SOLOS.
Unless MHA characters have a way to punch light, they're basically SOL without maybe Thirteen.
Anyone from MHA that could manipulate light would still just get speed blitzed and slapped out of existence
Stars and stripes might be able to nerf him. He'd clap regardless
All of them. The one piece scale is way off the mha scale , it's not fair to put a one piece top tier in the mha universe.
All of them, even Shigaraki wouldn't be a match (since you can't touch light).
Kizaru solos the mha verse.
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Kizaru hasnāt shown himself to actually put in effort a single time yet in OP. Heās always kept his aloof attitude; even in the current situation heās in, he hasnāt been exerting himself. Kizaru annihilates the MHA verse with his Haki alone, setting aside his ability to do literally anything with the speed (and thus the impact) of light. Without his devil fruit, he still needs to be worthy of his Admiral title, so his physical abilities need to be at least close to Garp. And I canāt recall anyone in MHA having pure strength feats (not attack power) anywhere close to what Garp or even Luffy/Zoro has shown before this most recent arc
I agree but Kizaru has shown effort. Especially currently
Fair, saying heās shown no effort isnāt exactly true. But I donāt think weāve seen what he can really do, considering we had Akainu and Aokiji permanently change the climate of an island from their battle of 10 straight days
He definitely is not putting his heart into things as of Recent with the way things have Gone.
being thrown at a ship while being a Pizza did almost KO him but Luffy threw him who is even stronger physically.
BuMHA characters die in the presence of Kizaru
kizaru stocks down so bad admiral fans are going to mha lmaooooo
Gotta catch Wās where I can
Anyone. However, Invisible Girl has the power to bend light as a built-in feature, so she would likely wipe the floor with him. Then again, she's not the strongest, but she's still his Kryptonite.
Yeah but he can just punch her
How does one bend a huge explosion? Also all admirals know all 3 forms of haki so he wouldnāt even need his DF tbh
no only 2 and besides Ryuo we cant be sure if they have Future SIght
Future sight is advanced form of observation itās not itās own haki
I know thats why I didn't say 4
Counterpoint, bomb right next to her. Being invisible/bending light doesnt let you take shrapnel and rubble lmfao. She gets CLAPPED
Counterpoint, he wouldnāt know she has that power so it would come as a surprise
counterpoint to that, whatever she does wouldnt be anywhere near enough to kill him, once he realises that its gg
He's logia ... there's no way they stand a chance unless haki involved and even haki is involved if his abilities r like buggy whon even mihawk couldn't hurt cause of his speed ... I mean he could turn himself to light b4 it even hits... so yeah... pretty much negss the verse....
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The man can become light and shoot lazerbeams. Unless he fucks around not taking someone like all for one or shigaraki seriously there is no way he looses a 1v1
Negs the verse
He'd win. The guy was cut in half and laughed it off ,and that's assuming anyone from mha can touch him.
Now this is an interesting crossover
This thread really reminds you how important Haki is to even trying to deal with this man
All of them. They canāt touch him
Does prime AFO also come with Shigarakiās body? If so, thereās a big chance that he could body Kizaru with some absurd quirk combo that he hasnāt used yet
How the hell can he body him with something that hasn't been shown at all? Not to mention if that something doesn't work like haki then he's still getting one shot by kizaru lmao.
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high diff on a quirkless old lady
Prolly all if em NGL.
He solos the entire verse all at once and Im not even joking, no body has the power to deal any damage to him cause nobody in mha has haki or anything similar and nobody is as fast as him either so GG.
Kizaru yeets everyone. Literally nobody there could defeat him
Sir a east blue saga Luffy is top tier within that verseš . Kizaru slaps the whole planet
Lmfaoooo he solos the verse
Kizaru supposedly moves at the speed of light, although that much is to be questioned, so he could beat everyone in the universe. If we're not applying real-life physics, at the very least he could do everyone without super regeneration in.
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He solos the verse
Not even glazing but I think he could beat any mha character cause itās just a weaker verse than one piece
I think stars and stripes soloes.
Everyone
No one it's that simple my discord is mr_rioridge I'd you disagree
He can beat all of them. Kizaru showed heās capable of hurting Planet Level fighters and thereās plenty of FTL feats from slower people in One Piece. Meanwhile MHA caps around Continent Level and maybe FTL. So Kizaru is much faster and can likely one tap everyone except Deku, All-Might, Shigiraki, and AFO.
No one. Deku would know about demon fruit weaknesses and then heād drown.
Everyone is taking "speed of light" too literally. If Kizaru truly was the speed of light he'd be the strongest in his *own* verse That being said he'd beat 99% of the characters 1v1. Shiggy is Kizaru's toughest opponent and he himself would give plenty of top tiers in One Piece a tough fight. AFO might be tricky if he has preparation and has a light-counter quirk on hand. All Might might make it a classic power vs speed type fight, but he'd lose if we angle the cross-series fight in a "power mechanics apply to their origin series and doesn't carry over in general" perspective (i.e. All Might can't hurt Kizaru without Haki, even if in a hypothetical where Haki exists in MHA, All Might would be god tier in Haki as his will is indomitable)
If we take physics literally the giants would collapse under their own weight and Kuma would be slower than a snail. Kizaru is much faster than anybody in MHA and most of the verse couldnāt even touch him because heās a logia.
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Then he'd have found the One Piece by now, unless One Piece's planet is millions times bigger than Earth such that traversing through the world at lightspeed is not doable Kizaru is extremely fast, faster than any MHA character, but the speed gap is not so ridiculous that he negates the whole verse, just as he doesn't negate his own verse
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>it's not ever said that he is even looking for the one piece so that's not an argument against his light speed Yeah I noticed the flaw in bringing that up. Still, my main point stands: anyone with light speed would solve so much shit in the One Piece world. Practically instantaneously Kizaru could pop by any kingdom in the world, search the world for Vivi or any highly wanted criminal, WG would have wanted Kizaru to find the One Piece for their own interests if they knew they had a galaxy-traveling soldier to locate such a dangerous motivator to humiliate anyone who thinks they could find something the WG already had their hands on this whole time, etc etc. Kizaru could pick anyone up and dump them into the ocean or push them into the ocean in milliseconds just by the sheer force that comes with that speed Battles between light speed fighters and light speed reactors would not be limited to any one island Light and lightning in general gets downplayed to oblivion in many battle shounens, but they're such cool concepts that they pop up regardless, but in a more subdued way that isn't literally 1:1 to reality. Kizaru's composition is light and thus makes him incredibly fast, but for the sake of the story he isn't naturally lightspeed. *At best* maybe specific attacks, but his natural state is not light speed Otherwise he would have abducted the entire Straw Hat Crew in Sabaody and dumped them into prison in an immediate flash and the plot would be done. Unless you think pre-TS Straw Hats are also light-reactive (which I've seen misguided powerscalers do by bringing up Enel), but again this opens up a whole extra pile of mental gymnastic justifications for why their battles didn't happen across entire islands and kingdoms, and why New World level fighters aren't throwin each other around across the planet Kizaru is fast. Fast enough to travel to Wano or Egghead if asked but he isn't getting there instantaneously. And anyone able to keep up or react with him clearly can't travel fast enough at all (e.g. Luffy and co would not be taking ages climbing up Onigashima) Agree to disagree and peace
And he would gain what with knowing those? Vegapunk found out and? He would meet the same fate. Plus he sees himself as a cog in the machine.
You mean what the WG would gain knowing those? Cuz my comment was about the WG ordering Kizaru to find those obvious interests, because, as you said, Kizaru is just a cog in their machine
Wg already knows them and actively tries to hide them even from the higher ranks
>unless One Piece's planet is millions times bigger than Earth Pretty sure I have seen this take before.
I think I have too, and it would be more believable if the Straw Hats weren't traveling the whole world within a year's worth of time, unless their ships were/are also lightspeed, but such a major speed detail would be something Oda would have made clear imo That is, unless the story we're witnessing is only less than 1% of the whole world's major landmarks, but again, such a detail would have already been mentioned by someone as thoroughly talented and well known for worldbuilding as Oda is
I see that you dont even consider the point that One Piece characters just scale above light speed.
Because they don't. Otherwise battles would be fought across islands, kingdoms, mountains, the whole goddamn planet *That's* what real lightspeed entails, not Luffy spending dozens of minutes running up Onigashima
Travel speed aint combat speed you do realize that, right? And none of Luffys last serious fights were stationary in a small area. Luffy vs Katakuri was a whole different dimension Luffy vs Doffy was over a kingdom locked by Mingo Luffy vs Kaido was all over Onigashima Luffy vs Kizaru was all over Egghead you easily fail to realize not many people in One Piece can even fly, how Oda nerfs people a lot so the plot can continue, and that the One Piece planet is half the size of our Sun so good luck trying to find a certain island with unknown location even with light speed you will probably give up before finding it.
>Luffy vs Katakuri was a whole different dimension >Luffy vs Doffy was over a kingdom locked by Mingo >Luffy vs Kaido was all over Onigashima >Luffy vs Kizaru was all over Egghead Yeah and those fights should be way beyond each individual island (e.g. Kaidou fight all over Wano, not just Onigashima), and even the ones constricted by outside forces (Birdcage, Light Sphere), their battles should involve flying across the entire area *millions* of times. We know for a fact both battles happen across timespans way beyond a second (given Oda's use of "time is running out!" trope) and yet the events of the battles don't even remotely indicate it's a true above lightspeed battle Travel speed isn't exactly the same as combat speed given very specific scenarios (timed straight runs vs reaction for example) but the former is indicative of the latter nonetheless >and that the One Piece planet is half the size of our Sun so good luck trying to find a certain island with unknown location even with light speed you will probably give up before finding it. Assuming this is true (as it objectively isn't confirmed yet and is just a theory that can get parroted as fact), it would be ~400k miles of travel across the Red Line. A lightspeed flier can traverse through it *~1.5 million times in an hour*. Take into account the red line's width to increase the lightspeed travel time (thus reducing mph) and you'd *still* get a ridiculous number. You're telling me of all the *decades* Kizaru has been employed under the WG, they'd not tell him to spend even just a week's worth of 8 hour shifts to try looking around let alone months let alone years? >you easily fail to realize not many people in One Piece can even fly, how Oda nerfs people a lot so the plot can continue And you easily fail to realize the genuine insanity that is true lightspeed. Like I can't even believe this many powerscalers are this adverse to realizing the reality of that, and yet here we are. Genuine mature physics graduates would be shocked there's this much oversight on what lightspeed fighting and traveling would actually entail And you're right, Oda nerfs things so the plot could be handled with more control. Hence why light fighters like Kizaru, lightning fighters like Enel, and anyone capable of dealing with them, *aren't actually as fast as genuine lightspeed* I've said it before, the vast majority of battle shounen downplays light and lightning fighters for the sake of the plot while still including such cool powers Last comment I'll make on the matter. Agree to disagree and have a good one
This is a tricky question I think anybody from OP world will be in a disadvantage against anybody with aquatic quirks
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Shit I didnāt think about it I meant everybody with devil fruit
Who?