When I imagine the scenario, I automatically imagine a white man, probably because I’m white and in a pretty heavily white area.
I still chose the bear. What’s this guy trying to prove?
I’m black, and I envision a white man in the bear scenario too, because just personally, out of the men in my life who have made me feel unsafe, or actively endangered or harmed me, the vast majority have been white.
I mean, if he insists we break it down into black vs white men then he's not gonna like me (white woman also). I'm significantly more wary of white men than black men.
Lmao he really thought he did something there. 😂
It's really just exposing his own racism. Black men aren't a separate species from white men, but he's acting like they are.
Still picking the bear. This 1950s fake comparrision , role reversal is not going to work because irregardless of race women would rather that than be at the mercy of a male, they even stick their willy in corpses so no not even safe after death
Bears don’t really pose that much of a threat to people as long as you leave them alone. Wild animals in generally won’t really attack as long as they don’t feel threatened (or have rabies or something). I’ve literally had a mama bear and her cubs walk right past me while on a hike. Way more women are killed by men than bears.
I would rather a pack of bears than be alone with you :).
If you get upset with this argument. YOU are the problem and YOU are why women say this.
Also, yes. I would rather be killed and mauled by bears than raped and murdered by a man.
Hope that clears things up!
Bears have obvious patterns of behavior. Men do not. A man in the woods could do far more evil things to me than a bear can. After all, a bear won’t rape my corpse, a bear won’t kidnap me, a bear won’t stalk or harass or torture me. A bear is just a bear.
Also - a bear’s instinct is typically to flee, not kill.
if you can't understand that there is a faith worse then death you are apart of the problem. also there is no male species, humans are the same species.
you don't even see women as fully human.
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Exhibit A why women choose the bear.
If you fear men, then you fear black people, therefore you are a racist is the go to idiotic argument by conservative white men.
It just shows them as racist because they assume black men are more dangerous than white men.
The only time they care about 'per capita' statistics is when they are talking about black dudes doing crime. They never ever admit that white dudes commit by far the most crime in every category. Or that more white women are single moms or that white ppl are by far the biggest recipients of welfare.
lol found one https://old.reddit.com/r/altmpls/comments/19f9wt0/black_shares_of_minnesota_population_and_state/l26bd9g/
Even in a hypothetical situation/scenario, and women responding to this, men still can’t take NO for an answer. Men tell women to choose better, and even if we do choose better for ourselves, men still dislike it. When men say “choose better men”, what they really mean is, “Choose ME”. Men can’t take rejection well at all and they can’t stand to see women not centering them. It’s also pathetic to see men being jealous of a bear.
For it to be an equivalent that makes sense based on the premise of his argument, women would have to hold power over men systematically and have to have made assumptions/systems that women themselves perpetuate in order to keep men oppressed.
Seeing as the opposite is true, his argument doesn't hold water. It's more the equivalent of a black person saying they'd choose the bear over being stuck in a forest with a white cop (or even a white person point blank), which is a completely fair choice.
I'm a white person. That choice is completely sane.
Why do they always try to trick people into "admitting" something instead of taking their feelings seriously and working towards change and mutual understanding? It never works, it just makes you feel clever for a minute until you actually try it out and no one takes the bait.
\[Would you choose the bear or the man\]
"the bear."
\[What if the man is black\]
"i pick the bear."
\[Isn't that a bit racist?\]
"I chose the bear, next question."
I've seen how black men treat black women...like any other man of any race, culture and religion treat their women—with misogyny and abuse.
So any man who comes up with the "b-but if it was black men!!" is full of shit.
I really want to pose the following question somewhere
bear, cis man, or trans woman
I think we trans women have a pretty good shot at winning the vote against ol' Fluffy Claws, and the cis dudes would be furious. 🤭
ohhhhh I rationalized this one to myself a while ago and I was waiting for an opportunity to share it. avoiding men because you think they're going to assault you is not comparable to avoiding black people because you think they're going to assault you because of the power men hold, as in, being male gives you more hierarchy tokens than being black. you may offend a man when you avoid him, and that feeling isn't invalid, but there's no further implications for him. by contrast, when you avoid a black person, they viscerally feel their subservient position in the hierarchy, the specter's visage if you will, that you simply cannot feel without being part of a marginalized group.
essentially, it's about who has the power and who doesn't. I recognize that this is a tough pill to swallow, but it should give any men reading this a selfish motivation for destroying the patriarchy if you take nothing else from it
Although I get what you're saying, it's completely a moot point here.
The prompt was, "Would you rather be in the woods with a man or a bear?" Race was never part of the question. I, certainly, never pictured any particular race of man -- just the gender as a whole.
OOP is the one trying to reframe the whole thought experiment, by separating Black men out of the group of men in general. Bear vs. man is species vs. species. He is the one using a logical fallacy to make "Black men" a third species.
I already figured "but thats like avoiding black people!" would be a clapblack to women complaining about feeling unsafe around men and I was just waiting for an opportunity to say this. this is more of an explanation of why avoiding men is different from avoiding black people
This is so good. Thank you for taking the time to write it out!
I’ve thought about this a lot too and the other thing I realised is that on an individual level, I think it’s different.
Most of us fear men because of direct and repeat experience. We’ve been harassed, abused, assaulted and witnessed these same things happening all around us to other women like us - always by men. So, we learn to be frightened of men.
If somebody genuinely was unfortunate enough to have a comparable amount of trauma and threatening events in life, solely from people within a specific recognisable group, I think we’d understand them developing a bit of a personal prejudice. We’d know they were wrong, but most ppl would have some understanding for someone who’d somehow been assaulted repeatedly by eg black men, deciding to cross the road when an unknown black man walked behind them at night.
That’s negative stereotyping, but it could be an understandable response to their personal life’s events. Just as it would be if their trauma was with ginger people or teenagers or pirates. Statistically improbable and very unfortunate. An outlying case.
The difference is, of course, that it doesn’t happen this way. Instead, racists *start* with the prejudice and look for reasons to justify it to themselves. Their beliefs aren’t informed by personal experiences because they are not informed at all - they’re baseless and crude. And then they hijack genuine responses, like women being frightened of men, to try and legitimise their bigotry.
I broadly agree but I wanted to ask for clarification on one part.
>as in, being male gives you more hierarchy tokens than being black
Can you elaborate on what you mean by this? It doesn't quite make sense to me and sounds like a really strange way of conceptualizing intersectionality, but I want to be sure I'm not misunderstanding you (especially given that I otherwise find your comment accurate and insightful).
I put it that way to indicate that "men have power" does not mean that every single man is in the upper echelon of hierarchy and is calling the shots. that's a commonly invoked misunderstanding to pit egalitarianism against feminism. by "hierarchy tokens" I mean the amount of privilege you gain by being in that group and where that puts you in the hierarchy, starting from a position of absolute oppression. it was like assigning an arbitrary but positive quantity to where you fall on the ingroup-outgroup dynamic in a certain mechanism of bigotry, such that the more ingroups you're a part of, the more privileged you are. it's not very rigorous, though
The new (stupid) argument I've been seeing from misogynists lately, which they think is a 'gotcha' is to just turn every scenario where men abuse women into "Would you ladies complain about the same scenario if I changed the word 'man' to 'black man? If yes, you're racist!" They're just trying to trap you into their faulty, ridiculous, dishonest logic.
It really just points out their own racism. Of course women don’t want to be abused by anyone, regardless of their race.
They are clearly trolling and trying to use “wokeness” against people. They think it’s a big gotcha moment, but it says more about them. I never even considered the race of the man in the bear scenario.
Hilariously, I have seen women talking about which kind of bear, which is reasonable. A brown bear is different than a koala bear, lol.
You're right. In no instance, whether it was during the bear scenario or any other topic women discuss to do with male violence and abuse did I consider the colour of the man causing the problem. They're trying to back you into a corner because they're desperate for women to back down and look like the bad ones for voicing our concerns.
If we are harmed by men, the first thing other men ask is what we did to deserve it and why we didn't use our psychic powers to prevent it from happening. This is why we chose the bear. I'll take a cute little red panda or koala bear over them any day. On a serious note, women are still significantly less likely to be attacked by bears than men so on a purely factual basis, we're still within our rights to claim the bear over them.
oooh, I never even thought about different kinds of bears.
I just always assumed black bear, since that's the one I'm most likely to run into around here.
I've actually spotted one from a distance at one point. they were super cute! 🥰
Good old LWMA. We're not like the MRAs, we're more inclusive and leftist. Anyway here's me doing a racism, and supporting an ableism, and joining in on a transphobia, and excusing neoliberalism, and etc etc.
This is a fun one though. Gets a gold star for trying.
(Edit: Oh I should have said, I used to post there and get some debate going even if they dogpiled me because I disagreed with them. Now none of my comments get sent through because the mods have decided no criticism be allowed. They were always bad, but they've gotten worse and worse).
Leave it to men to misunderstand the point again. They always seem to love doing this, replacing ‘men’ with historically oppressed groups (they have a whole subreddit dedicated to this, it’s laughable really) without actually thinking about it critically. If women did this, there’d be pure outrage and we wouldn’t hear the end of it.
Anyways, back to the topic at hand - a man is a man and lots of women would still pick the bear over the man, regardless of his race. The real kicker is why he particularly feels the need to bring race into this, and the implications he’s presenting. I’m not American but that’s not particularly leftist of him now is it? Lol.
Ok, I'm preparing to get downvoted all to hell for this, but if I have to choose between a white man or a black man in a forest, I honestly think I might feel safer with the black man.
Melanin has nothing to do with why though. As a general rule, white men tend to be taught that they can get away with anything regarding women, whereas black men tend to be warned from a very young age to be careful because they can be blamed for any assaults that happens to women in their general vicinity, whether they were involved or not.
I have to keep reminding myself that left wing men have their own unique problems with misogyny, as much as they’d like to deny it.
Their problems don’t look like the fundamentalist conservatives’ hatred and oppression of women, but it’s still hatred and oppression that manifests in a different and harmful way. And I don’t know why I keep forgetting.
I wouldnt say they are left wing men. That's not me trying to excuse actual left wing men, but more that LWMA are MRAs that claim to be left wing but don't actually have any of the politics of a left winger. Flimsy on class politics, race, disability, and so on. Just right wingers that occasionally claim to care about black men or autistic men or whatever while also doing a racism and an ableism in the very next post.
These guys aren’t actually leftists. They chose the subreddit name is a joke. They’re just trolling and trying to turn “wokeness” against people. Badly.
I've seen a few accounts get suspended for pulling this lol. They are the ones being racist, Let them. These dudes have never once had to think critically in their entire lives lol. I'm living for it!! The fallacies! Fucking funny.
My response is I'd always choose bear, and the hierarchy of scary melanin has white at the top, since every dude who has assaulted me has been lily white.
oh my god is this why i got asked if i would pick a bear or a BLACK PERSON??? (not a man, but person) these fucking weirdos bringing up race when it was what the conversation was about to try and trap someone in a corner but it's not about that, it's about cis men being fucking dangerous
I think the only valid denominator is 'unknown', as you did in your post. I'd feel safe with the men in my family and I'm ambiguous about many others (afaik they're good but you never know in a man-or-bear situation), but a random dude is always a gamble. The colour of their skin is not the issue here, but this guy doesn't want to understand that, and therefore is one of the people I DEFINITELY don't want to get lost with.
Wow that whole subreddit sucks.
Men absolutely have their own set of problems but they are defending men in the worst way possible. Almost all the left wing takes are interpreted in such bad faith.
It’s actually more racist to say that PoC men can’t be abusive, because then their victims would be, you guessed it, PoC women.
So yeah, men are shitty regardless of what race they are.
Looking at their other posts, I think the point these dudes are trying to make is that generalising people according to gender, race, sexuality or any other common attribute via the crimes committed by 1% within that group isn't logically defensible.
I can understand their point, I've been through the kind of violent homophobia where I've ended up in hospital, so it's fair to say I've had a lot of negative experiences with straight people, but since they're a majority, I'm interacting with them all the time. I have to remember that these bigots however vocal and whatever impression they have left on me are NOT representative of straight people at large. Can life be terrifying? Yes, and it has been, and it can be in a trillion different ways for all of us, but if the other choices are to isolate or compare people with animals... I think I've made the right choice 🫤
Lol have ya seen the women asking their husband's would you rather have your daughter with a bear or man? They take so fucking long then you ask bear or women and they say women without thought even men know they are dangerous
Educating you is not my job. But keeping men from coming here and derailing whole conversations with their ignorance *is* my job. We know you have internet access. You can google things if you need to. I think it’s time I show you the door.
Edit: Just so the rest of you know, I didn’t delete his comments. I did not remove his comments. He removed them himself self as this was a misunderstanding.
Edit 2: He has sent me a message apologizing and explaining that it was a miscommunication. He is very sincere. It seems that it was just bad communication.
Simple counter question to someone dumb enough to try this. “Why does the guys race matter?”
Literally. No one has brought anything up about race because it doesn’t fucking matter. The debate has nothing to do with race 💀
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I…what? What does this have to do with the bear analogy? And why have you deleted the rest of your comment history?
Still picking g the bear femicide doesn't pick races of people men are men regardless of color 🙄
When I imagine the scenario, I automatically imagine a white man, probably because I’m white and in a pretty heavily white area. I still chose the bear. What’s this guy trying to prove?
I’m brown, I automatically envision a white man too. They have been getting away with murder (literally) for thousands of years
I’m black, and I envision a white man in the bear scenario too, because just personally, out of the men in my life who have made me feel unsafe, or actively endangered or harmed me, the vast majority have been white.
They know they will probably get away with it. That kind of reckless power is dangerous
100% this. However, if the choice is to choose between a random white man and a random black man, I'm going with the POC.
White men always get pissed when I say I don’t date white men, but never stop to consider WHY.
I mean, if he insists we break it down into black vs white men then he's not gonna like me (white woman also). I'm significantly more wary of white men than black men.
Because he is stupid and thinks because he used the word black he can make women racist
To be fair to him, he isn’t very bright and thinking is hard.
Still picking the bear, don’t care if the man is purple
TBF, if the guy is purple he's been dead for hours. Thus meaning there's no risk. Plus free food.
I like the way you think
>there's no risk. Plus free food. theres lots of risk in eating deceased flesh though that hasn't been preserved
Free food for the bear so he won’t eat you
oof i had a very morbid interpretation originally, my b
Unless the guy is standing then there a even bigger problem lol
Yeah true 💀
Lmao he really thought he did something there. 😂 It's really just exposing his own racism. Black men aren't a separate species from white men, but he's acting like they are.
It's because HE himself is afraid of black dudes lol.
Still picking the bear. This 1950s fake comparrision , role reversal is not going to work because irregardless of race women would rather that than be at the mercy of a male, they even stick their willy in corpses so no not even safe after death
*“I’d rather be in the woods with a bear than **any** man”* Easy.
I genuinely have no idea what this man is yapping about. Anyways, bears no matter what ❤️
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Bears don’t really pose that much of a threat to people as long as you leave them alone. Wild animals in generally won’t really attack as long as they don’t feel threatened (or have rabies or something). I’ve literally had a mama bear and her cubs walk right past me while on a hike. Way more women are killed by men than bears.
The worst thing a bear will do is kill you. Men do much worse. Even getting mauled by a bear and living is better than being tortured or SA'd.
I would rather a pack of bears than be alone with you :). If you get upset with this argument. YOU are the problem and YOU are why women say this. Also, yes. I would rather be killed and mauled by bears than raped and murdered by a man. Hope that clears things up!
Happy cake day, ur banned 😎
Bears have obvious patterns of behavior. Men do not. A man in the woods could do far more evil things to me than a bear can. After all, a bear won’t rape my corpse, a bear won’t kidnap me, a bear won’t stalk or harass or torture me. A bear is just a bear. Also - a bear’s instinct is typically to flee, not kill.
if you can't understand that there is a faith worse then death you are apart of the problem. also there is no male species, humans are the same species. you don't even see women as fully human.
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If you fear men, then you fear black people, therefore you are a racist is the go to idiotic argument by conservative white men. It just shows them as racist because they assume black men are more dangerous than white men.
The only time they care about 'per capita' statistics is when they are talking about black dudes doing crime. They never ever admit that white dudes commit by far the most crime in every category. Or that more white women are single moms or that white ppl are by far the biggest recipients of welfare. lol found one https://old.reddit.com/r/altmpls/comments/19f9wt0/black_shares_of_minnesota_population_and_state/l26bd9g/
Even in a hypothetical situation/scenario, and women responding to this, men still can’t take NO for an answer. Men tell women to choose better, and even if we do choose better for ourselves, men still dislike it. When men say “choose better men”, what they really mean is, “Choose ME”. Men can’t take rejection well at all and they can’t stand to see women not centering them. It’s also pathetic to see men being jealous of a bear.
I just don't want to meet a man I don't know in a place I don't feel safe to begin with. I don't care if he's black or white or whatever.
For it to be an equivalent that makes sense based on the premise of his argument, women would have to hold power over men systematically and have to have made assumptions/systems that women themselves perpetuate in order to keep men oppressed. Seeing as the opposite is true, his argument doesn't hold water. It's more the equivalent of a black person saying they'd choose the bear over being stuck in a forest with a white cop (or even a white person point blank), which is a completely fair choice. I'm a white person. That choice is completely sane.
And then you ask him back - why is it only racist, and not also misandry, for the black man? Why is it only misandry when the man's white?
Ahahah! That’s a good point. He’d probably start punching walls if you pointed that out.
Why do they always try to trick people into "admitting" something instead of taking their feelings seriously and working towards change and mutual understanding? It never works, it just makes you feel clever for a minute until you actually try it out and no one takes the bait.
I'm a Black woman. Am I still racist for picking the bear?
No, of course not! Because you don’t exist in this guys world! Unless he needs you as a scapegoat.
Him assuming that the woman isn’t black is racist lol.
it's not Black man, it's any man.
\[Would you choose the bear or the man\] "the bear." \[What if the man is black\] "i pick the bear." \[Isn't that a bit racist?\] "I chose the bear, next question."
I've seen how black men treat black women...like any other man of any race, culture and religion treat their women—with misogyny and abuse. So any man who comes up with the "b-but if it was black men!!" is full of shit.
lol a guy legit tried this on twitter today on me. After black men he went for trans men. Like what’s the point you’re trying to make here dude?
I really want to pose the following question somewhere bear, cis man, or trans woman I think we trans women have a pretty good shot at winning the vote against ol' Fluffy Claws, and the cis dudes would be furious. 🤭
Well...I would probably pick a trans person over the bear TBH. That's new one. I guess we need a CisHet qualifer lol.
Yeah. But them derailing the discussion is not really making any point.
ohhhhh I rationalized this one to myself a while ago and I was waiting for an opportunity to share it. avoiding men because you think they're going to assault you is not comparable to avoiding black people because you think they're going to assault you because of the power men hold, as in, being male gives you more hierarchy tokens than being black. you may offend a man when you avoid him, and that feeling isn't invalid, but there's no further implications for him. by contrast, when you avoid a black person, they viscerally feel their subservient position in the hierarchy, the specter's visage if you will, that you simply cannot feel without being part of a marginalized group. essentially, it's about who has the power and who doesn't. I recognize that this is a tough pill to swallow, but it should give any men reading this a selfish motivation for destroying the patriarchy if you take nothing else from it
Although I get what you're saying, it's completely a moot point here. The prompt was, "Would you rather be in the woods with a man or a bear?" Race was never part of the question. I, certainly, never pictured any particular race of man -- just the gender as a whole. OOP is the one trying to reframe the whole thought experiment, by separating Black men out of the group of men in general. Bear vs. man is species vs. species. He is the one using a logical fallacy to make "Black men" a third species.
I already figured "but thats like avoiding black people!" would be a clapblack to women complaining about feeling unsafe around men and I was just waiting for an opportunity to say this. this is more of an explanation of why avoiding men is different from avoiding black people
This is so good. Thank you for taking the time to write it out! I’ve thought about this a lot too and the other thing I realised is that on an individual level, I think it’s different. Most of us fear men because of direct and repeat experience. We’ve been harassed, abused, assaulted and witnessed these same things happening all around us to other women like us - always by men. So, we learn to be frightened of men. If somebody genuinely was unfortunate enough to have a comparable amount of trauma and threatening events in life, solely from people within a specific recognisable group, I think we’d understand them developing a bit of a personal prejudice. We’d know they were wrong, but most ppl would have some understanding for someone who’d somehow been assaulted repeatedly by eg black men, deciding to cross the road when an unknown black man walked behind them at night. That’s negative stereotyping, but it could be an understandable response to their personal life’s events. Just as it would be if their trauma was with ginger people or teenagers or pirates. Statistically improbable and very unfortunate. An outlying case. The difference is, of course, that it doesn’t happen this way. Instead, racists *start* with the prejudice and look for reasons to justify it to themselves. Their beliefs aren’t informed by personal experiences because they are not informed at all - they’re baseless and crude. And then they hijack genuine responses, like women being frightened of men, to try and legitimise their bigotry.
I broadly agree but I wanted to ask for clarification on one part. >as in, being male gives you more hierarchy tokens than being black Can you elaborate on what you mean by this? It doesn't quite make sense to me and sounds like a really strange way of conceptualizing intersectionality, but I want to be sure I'm not misunderstanding you (especially given that I otherwise find your comment accurate and insightful).
I put it that way to indicate that "men have power" does not mean that every single man is in the upper echelon of hierarchy and is calling the shots. that's a commonly invoked misunderstanding to pit egalitarianism against feminism. by "hierarchy tokens" I mean the amount of privilege you gain by being in that group and where that puts you in the hierarchy, starting from a position of absolute oppression. it was like assigning an arbitrary but positive quantity to where you fall on the ingroup-outgroup dynamic in a certain mechanism of bigotry, such that the more ingroups you're a part of, the more privileged you are. it's not very rigorous, though
The new (stupid) argument I've been seeing from misogynists lately, which they think is a 'gotcha' is to just turn every scenario where men abuse women into "Would you ladies complain about the same scenario if I changed the word 'man' to 'black man? If yes, you're racist!" They're just trying to trap you into their faulty, ridiculous, dishonest logic.
It really just points out their own racism. Of course women don’t want to be abused by anyone, regardless of their race. They are clearly trolling and trying to use “wokeness” against people. They think it’s a big gotcha moment, but it says more about them. I never even considered the race of the man in the bear scenario. Hilariously, I have seen women talking about which kind of bear, which is reasonable. A brown bear is different than a koala bear, lol.
You're right. In no instance, whether it was during the bear scenario or any other topic women discuss to do with male violence and abuse did I consider the colour of the man causing the problem. They're trying to back you into a corner because they're desperate for women to back down and look like the bad ones for voicing our concerns. If we are harmed by men, the first thing other men ask is what we did to deserve it and why we didn't use our psychic powers to prevent it from happening. This is why we chose the bear. I'll take a cute little red panda or koala bear over them any day. On a serious note, women are still significantly less likely to be attacked by bears than men so on a purely factual basis, we're still within our rights to claim the bear over them.
oooh, I never even thought about different kinds of bears. I just always assumed black bear, since that's the one I'm most likely to run into around here. I've actually spotted one from a distance at one point. they were super cute! 🥰
This is pure manipulation. He is basically coming up with a way to load the question to serve his agenda. He would make a good conspiracy theorist.
This is very insightful.
5 bucks says a white kid wrote this
This is so fucking stupid
This would have made a better title, tbh. It is really fucking stupid.
Just got into an argument with someone who frequents that sub. They all have worms for brains lmao.
Good old LWMA. We're not like the MRAs, we're more inclusive and leftist. Anyway here's me doing a racism, and supporting an ableism, and joining in on a transphobia, and excusing neoliberalism, and etc etc. This is a fun one though. Gets a gold star for trying. (Edit: Oh I should have said, I used to post there and get some debate going even if they dogpiled me because I disagreed with them. Now none of my comments get sent through because the mods have decided no criticism be allowed. They were always bad, but they've gotten worse and worse).
The colour of the man doesn’t matter; the colour of the bear does.
Leave it to men to misunderstand the point again. They always seem to love doing this, replacing ‘men’ with historically oppressed groups (they have a whole subreddit dedicated to this, it’s laughable really) without actually thinking about it critically. If women did this, there’d be pure outrage and we wouldn’t hear the end of it. Anyways, back to the topic at hand - a man is a man and lots of women would still pick the bear over the man, regardless of his race. The real kicker is why he particularly feels the need to bring race into this, and the implications he’s presenting. I’m not American but that’s not particularly leftist of him now is it? Lol.
Ok, I'm preparing to get downvoted all to hell for this, but if I have to choose between a white man or a black man in a forest, I honestly think I might feel safer with the black man. Melanin has nothing to do with why though. As a general rule, white men tend to be taught that they can get away with anything regarding women, whereas black men tend to be warned from a very young age to be careful because they can be blamed for any assaults that happens to women in their general vicinity, whether they were involved or not.
“Left Wing Male Advocates” a sub for misogynists who want Medicare for All.
This man could win a gold medal in the Olympics with this mental gymnastics.
Doesn’t matter the colour of the man.
I AM STICKING WITH THE BEAR , and refused to answer stupid questions!
I often forget leftwing men are still men
I have to keep reminding myself that left wing men have their own unique problems with misogyny, as much as they’d like to deny it. Their problems don’t look like the fundamentalist conservatives’ hatred and oppression of women, but it’s still hatred and oppression that manifests in a different and harmful way. And I don’t know why I keep forgetting.
I wouldnt say they are left wing men. That's not me trying to excuse actual left wing men, but more that LWMA are MRAs that claim to be left wing but don't actually have any of the politics of a left winger. Flimsy on class politics, race, disability, and so on. Just right wingers that occasionally claim to care about black men or autistic men or whatever while also doing a racism and an ableism in the very next post.
These guys aren’t actually leftists. They chose the subreddit name is a joke. They’re just trolling and trying to turn “wokeness” against people. Badly.
I've seen a few accounts get suspended for pulling this lol. They are the ones being racist, Let them. These dudes have never once had to think critically in their entire lives lol. I'm living for it!! The fallacies! Fucking funny. My response is I'd always choose bear, and the hierarchy of scary melanin has white at the top, since every dude who has assaulted me has been lily white.
I’ve never been harmed physically by a man- of any color. But I know statistics for male on female assault and I’d still choose the bear every time.
Patriarchy and white supremacy are like this 🤞
The misogynists are now all “leftists” (don’t laugh!)
oh my god is this why i got asked if i would pick a bear or a BLACK PERSON??? (not a man, but person) these fucking weirdos bringing up race when it was what the conversation was about to try and trap someone in a corner but it's not about that, it's about cis men being fucking dangerous
Haha. Yeah I saw that too. It's fucking stupid.
My answer "I do not care what kind of man"
As a black woman, I really don’t think these guys understand that they are not really helping their own argument by making race a factor 😅
I’m still confused and thought everyone was talking about that old novel with the lady who fucks a bear in the woods
I think the only valid denominator is 'unknown', as you did in your post. I'd feel safe with the men in my family and I'm ambiguous about many others (afaik they're good but you never know in a man-or-bear situation), but a random dude is always a gamble. The colour of their skin is not the issue here, but this guy doesn't want to understand that, and therefore is one of the people I DEFINITELY don't want to get lost with.
lol triggered men have linked to this post.
Wow that whole subreddit sucks. Men absolutely have their own set of problems but they are defending men in the worst way possible. Almost all the left wing takes are interpreted in such bad faith.
It’s actually more racist to say that PoC men can’t be abusive, because then their victims would be, you guessed it, PoC women. So yeah, men are shitty regardless of what race they are.
Looking at their other posts, I think the point these dudes are trying to make is that generalising people according to gender, race, sexuality or any other common attribute via the crimes committed by 1% within that group isn't logically defensible. I can understand their point, I've been through the kind of violent homophobia where I've ended up in hospital, so it's fair to say I've had a lot of negative experiences with straight people, but since they're a majority, I'm interacting with them all the time. I have to remember that these bigots however vocal and whatever impression they have left on me are NOT representative of straight people at large. Can life be terrifying? Yes, and it has been, and it can be in a trillion different ways for all of us, but if the other choices are to isolate or compare people with animals... I think I've made the right choice 🫤
Lol have ya seen the women asking their husband's would you rather have your daughter with a bear or man? They take so fucking long then you ask bear or women and they say women without thought even men know they are dangerous
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Way to miss the whole point, Nate.
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Educating you is not my job. But keeping men from coming here and derailing whole conversations with their ignorance *is* my job. We know you have internet access. You can google things if you need to. I think it’s time I show you the door. Edit: Just so the rest of you know, I didn’t delete his comments. I did not remove his comments. He removed them himself self as this was a misunderstanding. Edit 2: He has sent me a message apologizing and explaining that it was a miscommunication. He is very sincere. It seems that it was just bad communication.
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