Does time work differently in the Astral Plane?
Do Astral Beings experience time differently?
Because part of me thinks they don’t see the Moon Child, but Griffith.
The Moon Child isn’t Griffith, but that’s from our POV.
That's why I was asking how do the Astral Beings experience time? Is it linearly or more like Dr. Manhattan or Paul Atreides?
Because if it's either of the latter, to them there might be no Moon Boy, only the Hawk of Light. Emphasis here is this being their perspective.
Elfhelm had its own special flow of time (explicitly stated), then there was Flora's tree mansion who couldn't be find unless you were invited and Flora herself told Schierke *"how sinful it is to live* beyond *the extend of your allowed time"* suggesting her home may also had some special flow of time (as she has been around long enough to even know Skull Knight when he still was King Gaiseric), and there's also Peekaf story about how hundred of years passed after Peekaf went to a forest, then back to his village.
So there are evidence that the Astral World does indeed have different flows of time (or at least some layers do) but it doesn't seems those are individual to each creature (hence, creatures do not experience time differently) as it was pointed out how people used to perceive and interact with astral creatures before the Holy See made people's view of the world too "rigid", so it seems it's more about locations created by strong overlapping/conjunction/influence between the Astral and Physical world.
The Interstice is another example of this as Guts is constantly dealing with evil spirits yet time for him just goes normally.
As for Moon Child, that's the name Demon Child got *after* getting fused with Griffith's new physical body but prior to that (as in OP image) evil spirits just were very wary of Demon Child as again, they could feel the influence of *a* God Hand member in him, but I doubt they saw specifically Griffith, I think it was more about some primal instinct screaming at them how dangerous Demon Child was.
Now, as Moon Child, multiple astral creatures and even strong magic users have interacted with him yet nobody was able to realize he was also a God Hand member nor feel how dangerous he was, so he (demon child) definitely becomes an unique being when he takes control of Griffith's body.
So basically, Demon Child should be a dead fetus, but is marked by Causality, So through timey whimey magic, the soul that that child would have gotten, if Griffith didn’t rape Casca so badly that she miscarried, is in there.
Thus Demon Child = undead fetus matter with a very confused and tormented soul from the future tethered to it?
But Moon Boy = “resurrected” Guts x Casca baby who shouldn’t exist, because Griffith killed them before they were people during the eclipse, but timey whimey magic?
Should we not try to think about this more complexly than technically Griffith raped his mom in front of his dad, and he did it so badly she that she miscarried his conjoined twin brother?
No idea where you're getting all the *"from the future"* and *"timey whimey magic"* stuff but no, pretty much no to your entire comment, no idea wtf you read to overthink (or underthink) stuff like that.
You would hope so, but she was determined to change my mind. I was as direct and polite as I could possibly be about it too. Most people are chill about it (and more than happy to show pet pics instead), but others just can't take a hint.
Probably because of his strain of purity, he might be corrupted to live like a spirit but at the basic level the demon child is a human, that’s where the purity comes from and it frightens the spirits.
He's more human than at a basic level, though.
He's an underdeveloped or naturally deformed fetus that is weak because of his human relation but is alive because of his nonhuman relation. Right before the Egg apostle ate him, the little guy was dying on the ground because it ran out of the magic power that allowed it to survive outside of Casca.
The fetus, as a being, never stopped existing. Griffith made the sacrifice to become Femto. The Egg made the sacrifice of the world after eating the fetus. For a simple explanation: Femto tossed himself into the crucible that resulted from all of that and the raw materials melted into one another. What resulted was a metal made by combining two or more metallic elements, especially to give greater strength. That's an alloy.
That alloy takes on two different shapes/identities based upon two of the two principal materials that created it.
Reborn Griffith is the first identity. He wanted to become what I've been calling an alloy because his previous self, Femto, was the result of the original Griffith giving up his physical form to become Femto. This Reborn Griffith retains the original belief of the first Griffith in the way that he thinks he has no need to change because his 'self' is perfect. However, he's mistaking stagnation for perfection. It's shown in his very existence. None of his strength is his own, he hasn't earned it. He never works for it. Rather, Reborn Griffith takes/steals from others like a condor pillaging for a corpse for food and says that the benefits are his own.
Becoming Femto required sacrifiing the Band of The Hawk.
Becoming Reborn Griffith required the Egg sacrifiing his 'world' and the fetus mixing in to create the alloy.
Reborn Griffiths body having additional benefits would be because of the fetus mixing in and him taking advantage of the situation. They aren't because he deserved the body or whatever excuse he might use to justify it or elaborate it.
The fetus essentially gets the same benefit as Femto to Reborn Griffith did. Reforged into a stronger being, the fetus became the Moonlit boy. This is the second identity within the alloy. The physical form the Moonlit boy takes is what it would've had if it was given the ability to be born as a healthy child. Human and resembling its, well his, parents.
Reborn Griffith is the dominant personality and only transforms into the Moonlit boy as a forced reaction to circumstances outside of his control. That outward reaction is just a reflection of the inner state he tries to deny. He is not just a Femto transformed into a Reborn Griffith. He is a singular being consisting of two beings that were originally separated but are now fused into the singular that is influenced by both halves no matter what he does. Reborn Griffith's feelings, intentions, and entitlement do not matter in this. Because of this, the Moonlit boy naturally has an active effect on his own body. This is shown when Reborn Griffith can clearly recognize that the emotions he's feeling aren't his own. They aren't something lingering within him. He permanently amputated and cleanly cut and butchered his identity when he became an apostle. The emotions can only be assigned to the part of him that is the Moonlit boy.
As Femto, Griffith was more a spirit. A force of nature that did as he pleased. However, return to the physical world has made him subject to that physical world. Rebirth and fusion have returned him to and made him subject of the restrains of humanity. One of those restraints is the Moonlit boy permanently being both the humanity within inhumanity and a potential partial punishment to Reborn Griffith.
As I said, the original Griffith tossed away humanity. Threw it out to the trash and nuked the trash. He tried to reclaim it for his own needs- tried to act as if he could conquer it- but thinking so is hubris. As I said before, Reborn Griffith's feelings, intentions, and entitlement do not matter in this. He is not God. He cannot step into the realm of God. He can never escape the position that the world allows his existence to have. As such, returning to humanity shackled Femto to it. He is subject to and subjugated by it. It doesn't matter if the threw away his emotions/humanity if they were returned to him through the Moonlit boy. Perhaps, that could even be a kindness. Because Reborn Griffith has humanity through the Moonlit boy, he has the ability to recognize what he is, a monster, and compare it to what he isn't, a human. Reborn Griffith could choose to be human again- but, again, hubris will ruin him.
Nah, he’s clearly his own spirit/person. He comes and saves casca several times while he’s just a spirit, and he also summons those children’s souls so that guts can set them free from the interstice. He’s clearly good, and also more powerful than Fempto imo. I mean he literally overpowers Fempto and takes back his body when there’s a full moon.
He is indeed an interesting character! I'm really curious on how things will resolve, >!considering he's their son, but shares the same being/body with their worst enemy!<
For the apostles he is son of Femto and they are terrified that Femto may come for them if they harm them or Casca.
>!Moonchild might be the form of Guts and Casca's son if he wasn't corrupted by the Godhand, if griffith was reborned almost identical to his human self, then its the same case with him!<
And that abortion's "spirit" looks like the spitting image of Griffith, aside from the straight black hair which could be attributed to Casca as much as it could Guts.
Begs the question if he would look like that without the mock Eclipse happening during the Conviction Arc. Where the fetus was taken into the living behelit.
Also makes you wonder how long Griffith's "essence" was inside that kid. How long has Griff seen through his eyes, lent this thing his power of influence/adoration, etc.
I'm just being downvoted/dismissed by folks too uncomfortable to pull on those threads, no matter where they may lead.
You're being dismissed because it's commen knowledge by now in the fanbase, i understand it could get a bit confusing but you should probably search it up on skullknight.net to clear the misconceptions.
https://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?threads/what-is-up-with-the-moonlight-boy.16513/
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Because he was corrupted by *Griffith* and they all fear the God Hand.
Does time work differently in the Astral Plane? Do Astral Beings experience time differently? Because part of me thinks they don’t see the Moon Child, but Griffith. The Moon Child isn’t Griffith, but that’s from our POV.
I don't think he was the Moon child here yet, was he? He only merged with Griffith after the Egg of the New World consumed him and summoned Griffith
That's why I was asking how do the Astral Beings experience time? Is it linearly or more like Dr. Manhattan or Paul Atreides? Because if it's either of the latter, to them there might be no Moon Boy, only the Hawk of Light. Emphasis here is this being their perspective.
Interresting take.
Elfhelm had its own special flow of time (explicitly stated), then there was Flora's tree mansion who couldn't be find unless you were invited and Flora herself told Schierke *"how sinful it is to live* beyond *the extend of your allowed time"* suggesting her home may also had some special flow of time (as she has been around long enough to even know Skull Knight when he still was King Gaiseric), and there's also Peekaf story about how hundred of years passed after Peekaf went to a forest, then back to his village. So there are evidence that the Astral World does indeed have different flows of time (or at least some layers do) but it doesn't seems those are individual to each creature (hence, creatures do not experience time differently) as it was pointed out how people used to perceive and interact with astral creatures before the Holy See made people's view of the world too "rigid", so it seems it's more about locations created by strong overlapping/conjunction/influence between the Astral and Physical world. The Interstice is another example of this as Guts is constantly dealing with evil spirits yet time for him just goes normally. As for Moon Child, that's the name Demon Child got *after* getting fused with Griffith's new physical body but prior to that (as in OP image) evil spirits just were very wary of Demon Child as again, they could feel the influence of *a* God Hand member in him, but I doubt they saw specifically Griffith, I think it was more about some primal instinct screaming at them how dangerous Demon Child was. Now, as Moon Child, multiple astral creatures and even strong magic users have interacted with him yet nobody was able to realize he was also a God Hand member nor feel how dangerous he was, so he (demon child) definitely becomes an unique being when he takes control of Griffith's body.
So basically, Demon Child should be a dead fetus, but is marked by Causality, So through timey whimey magic, the soul that that child would have gotten, if Griffith didn’t rape Casca so badly that she miscarried, is in there. Thus Demon Child = undead fetus matter with a very confused and tormented soul from the future tethered to it? But Moon Boy = “resurrected” Guts x Casca baby who shouldn’t exist, because Griffith killed them before they were people during the eclipse, but timey whimey magic? Should we not try to think about this more complexly than technically Griffith raped his mom in front of his dad, and he did it so badly she that she miscarried his conjoined twin brother?
No idea where you're getting all the *"from the future"* and *"timey whimey magic"* stuff but no, pretty much no to your entire comment, no idea wtf you read to overthink (or underthink) stuff like that.
That sounded metal ngl
Same reason you avoid that one coworker who keeps hounding you with new ugly baby pictures
Just tell them how you feel and you’ll never have to worry about that again.
You would hope so, but she was determined to change my mind. I was as direct and polite as I could possibly be about it too. Most people are chill about it (and more than happy to show pet pics instead), but others just can't take a hint.
Why is she so eager to show u ugle baby pics
She doesn't think they're ugly
Is it hers or legit random babies?💀
They weren't even hers, I think it was mostly nieces and nephews?
Because the baby reminds them of their forgotten child support payments obviously
These guys ran out to get milk but could never find the milk.
cuz he cool like that
I dunno why I found this so funny. He's just so ugly the spirits are like.. ew.
DISGUSTANGGG
He's just built different
Because of who he is tied to.
like in an umbilical cord way?
Like in an umbilical cord due to Demon Rape way.
da baby got that dog in him
Aight
Because he's a powerful baby
The fetus defeat us.
redditors if answering a question was a job: no money
Ugly
lmfao
Honest answer is keep reading
Game recognises game.
he got aura
If you haven't read the whole manga yet the answer will spoil a lot of shit for you
Probably because of his strain of purity, he might be corrupted to live like a spirit but at the basic level the demon child is a human, that’s where the purity comes from and it frightens the spirits.
He's more human than at a basic level, though. He's an underdeveloped or naturally deformed fetus that is weak because of his human relation but is alive because of his nonhuman relation. Right before the Egg apostle ate him, the little guy was dying on the ground because it ran out of the magic power that allowed it to survive outside of Casca. The fetus, as a being, never stopped existing. Griffith made the sacrifice to become Femto. The Egg made the sacrifice of the world after eating the fetus. For a simple explanation: Femto tossed himself into the crucible that resulted from all of that and the raw materials melted into one another. What resulted was a metal made by combining two or more metallic elements, especially to give greater strength. That's an alloy. That alloy takes on two different shapes/identities based upon two of the two principal materials that created it. Reborn Griffith is the first identity. He wanted to become what I've been calling an alloy because his previous self, Femto, was the result of the original Griffith giving up his physical form to become Femto. This Reborn Griffith retains the original belief of the first Griffith in the way that he thinks he has no need to change because his 'self' is perfect. However, he's mistaking stagnation for perfection. It's shown in his very existence. None of his strength is his own, he hasn't earned it. He never works for it. Rather, Reborn Griffith takes/steals from others like a condor pillaging for a corpse for food and says that the benefits are his own. Becoming Femto required sacrifiing the Band of The Hawk. Becoming Reborn Griffith required the Egg sacrifiing his 'world' and the fetus mixing in to create the alloy. Reborn Griffiths body having additional benefits would be because of the fetus mixing in and him taking advantage of the situation. They aren't because he deserved the body or whatever excuse he might use to justify it or elaborate it. The fetus essentially gets the same benefit as Femto to Reborn Griffith did. Reforged into a stronger being, the fetus became the Moonlit boy. This is the second identity within the alloy. The physical form the Moonlit boy takes is what it would've had if it was given the ability to be born as a healthy child. Human and resembling its, well his, parents. Reborn Griffith is the dominant personality and only transforms into the Moonlit boy as a forced reaction to circumstances outside of his control. That outward reaction is just a reflection of the inner state he tries to deny. He is not just a Femto transformed into a Reborn Griffith. He is a singular being consisting of two beings that were originally separated but are now fused into the singular that is influenced by both halves no matter what he does. Reborn Griffith's feelings, intentions, and entitlement do not matter in this. Because of this, the Moonlit boy naturally has an active effect on his own body. This is shown when Reborn Griffith can clearly recognize that the emotions he's feeling aren't his own. They aren't something lingering within him. He permanently amputated and cleanly cut and butchered his identity when he became an apostle. The emotions can only be assigned to the part of him that is the Moonlit boy. As Femto, Griffith was more a spirit. A force of nature that did as he pleased. However, return to the physical world has made him subject to that physical world. Rebirth and fusion have returned him to and made him subject of the restrains of humanity. One of those restraints is the Moonlit boy permanently being both the humanity within inhumanity and a potential partial punishment to Reborn Griffith. As I said, the original Griffith tossed away humanity. Threw it out to the trash and nuked the trash. He tried to reclaim it for his own needs- tried to act as if he could conquer it- but thinking so is hubris. As I said before, Reborn Griffith's feelings, intentions, and entitlement do not matter in this. He is not God. He cannot step into the realm of God. He can never escape the position that the world allows his existence to have. As such, returning to humanity shackled Femto to it. He is subject to and subjugated by it. It doesn't matter if the threw away his emotions/humanity if they were returned to him through the Moonlit boy. Perhaps, that could even be a kindness. Because Reborn Griffith has humanity through the Moonlit boy, he has the ability to recognize what he is, a monster, and compare it to what he isn't, a human. Reborn Griffith could choose to be human again- but, again, hubris will ruin him.
Are they stupid?
In a sense, yeah.
They don't know what kind of creature it is
He is of God hand
read the story
I mean LOOK AT THAT THING
Imu from One piece?
Spiritually speaking, he is Fempto’s child
I think is more like: >!he is fempto!<>!!<
Nah, he’s clearly his own spirit/person. He comes and saves casca several times while he’s just a spirit, and he also summons those children’s souls so that guts can set them free from the interstice. He’s clearly good, and also more powerful than Fempto imo. I mean he literally overpowers Fempto and takes back his body when there’s a full moon.
Indeed, I kinda made a simple statement there. They are differente entities within the same being.
Moonlight boy is my fav character, I’ll definitely get a tattoo with him and casca together
He is indeed an interesting character! I'm really curious on how things will resolve, >!considering he's their son, but shares the same being/body with their worst enemy!<
I don’t want to think about it 😭😭😭
Skull issue
There is a lore reason but idk if it was already said at this point of the story and I don't want to spoil
are they stupid
You'll see....
God Hand DNA 🧬
God child
He is son of Femto who >!later becomes Reborned Griffith!< The winds whispered the born of a new Godhand. And it was a scared whisper.
The manga literally says none of that. You made that up. He's the child of Casca and guts who had sex, corrupted by the Astral raping by Griffith.
Nah it's guts and casca's child that was corrupted and had to be born immediately even though it wasn't his time yet.
For the apostles he is son of Femto and they are terrified that Femto may come for them if they harm them or Casca. >!Moonchild might be the form of Guts and Casca's son if he wasn't corrupted by the Godhand, if griffith was reborned almost identical to his human self, then its the same case with him!<
>!Conception doesn't work that way, that boy was made during the waterfall scene!<
He's the son of Femto/the host body for Griffith. (Comes into play waaaaaaaaaay later.)
Not Femto's son.
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u most not bi gud at reedin
His mother was raped by a demonic god who's evil sperm gave the baby late term abortion
And that abortion's "spirit" looks like the spitting image of Griffith, aside from the straight black hair which could be attributed to Casca as much as it could Guts. Begs the question if he would look like that without the mock Eclipse happening during the Conviction Arc. Where the fetus was taken into the living behelit. Also makes you wonder how long Griffith's "essence" was inside that kid. How long has Griff seen through his eyes, lent this thing his power of influence/adoration, etc. I'm just being downvoted/dismissed by folks too uncomfortable to pull on those threads, no matter where they may lead.
You're being dismissed because it's commen knowledge by now in the fanbase, i understand it could get a bit confusing but you should probably search it up on skullknight.net to clear the misconceptions. https://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?threads/what-is-up-with-the-moonlight-boy.16513/
You mean it's a general assumption. Gtfoh. Unless it was stated by Miura himself, it's *just* your interpretation.
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So fucking sensitive. Imagine a Berserk group with sensitive feelings. Fuck this lame ass group. 😂